Urban vs Rural SURVIVAL During SHTF

Rural vs urban survival during SHTF. Will the cities, suburbs or rural areas be more prepared? Which groups of people will fare better when food and supply shortages occur? When the economy collapses or the EMP hits, how will these different groups of people survive? Will they group together or try and kill each other? There will be a huge competition for resources in large urban or suburban areas full of consumers. Where will the massive amounts of food, water and supplies come from? Will the people in the rural areas be targeted for their recourses?
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[@ChrisHeavenUSA]

The problem isn't as simple as people moving from the city to the country. The problem is that they bring their liberal mindset to our communities and start making demands of people who've been there for eons. Case in point, a buddy of mine has a 500 acre ranch that's been in his family since the 1700s. A liberal city slicker moved in next to him and promptly started complaining to the county about the noise and smells coming from my friend's farm. That resulted in my friend spreading liquid pig manure every weekend along his properly line just to say f*ck you for all the problems they created. If you move somewhere (one state to another, or urban to rural) leave your woke BS behind or be prepared for a rough ride.

[@kingscairn]

They plant lawns and spray poison that kills bees and other pollinators - dont worry, they wont make it - dont help them they'll suffer and leave - then you have to reclaim their mess

[@rexlogan5385]

My wife and I bought a house in Idaho last Summer had our first garden this Summer we grew tons of tomatoes, corn etc it was alot of fun watching the garden grow and even more fun eating it.

[@chris1638]

What a reward!

[@MrThenry1988]

Awesome. Just remember you may need to protect this.

[@jwgbmp40]

Sometimes ya just marry the wrong woman and wind up living at work giving up your dreams for her to raise the kids.. 30 yrs late you just decide to farm your back yard and make community in your neighborhood. I think it was in "Ferfals" book about the Argentinian collapse where he spoke of gangs looting the farms in the country and security was found in closer communities.. just a thought..

[@lucassmith2332]

Happened on Venezuela also. The Suburbs had enough land and Karen's to watch over things. The country side was to spread out to hold a line.

[@oldschooljeremy8124]

Those who went through the civil/religious wars and national chaos that befell southeastern Europe - Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia and that region - say that in fact it was safer in the cities than in the rural areas. Because the rural areas were where all the battles were fought, where the death squads roamed, where people were killed and burned out and generally devastated. The cities were not much better off, but they were better off than the countrysides.

[@brynnleapierce5600]

I've heard it termed “Once you bug out you're nothing more than a glorified refugee”, but if in the city (as I unfortunately dwell ill have no choice. I'm a female lone wolf trying to get my circle to open a dialogue regarding prepping & planning it falls on deaf ears. I know if I cannot find “others” of like minds it will be unsurvivable. I'm a retired RN, with knowledge but no tribe if you will!!!! I'm on my own. That's a challenge! Financially there is no option to go rural, but if I could I would asap.

[@J.Young808]

I’m with you and would love to move out of the city, unfortunately I live in one of the most expensive and remotely geographic states. We have a year round growing season. I have a little bit of space that would take a lot of money to build up planter boxes and defoliate to get sun to the planters.

[@graylor1]

There's what I call the cat lady connection out here, where we not only compare cat litter but also plumbers and mechanics. We don't all prep, but a lot of us do, because as spinsters and widows we have to be practical to survive. I wonder if networking in animal rescue circles might find you some like-minded friends. Rescues have a strong rural-urban connection, too, so that might help you build a bugging out destination.

[@kbjerke]

I moved out of the city about 25 years ago, and never looked back! A small plot of land in a (very) small town is where I am, and is all that I need. A few good neighbours and a will to survive keep me going! (I'm 73, but feel much younger.) Thanks for your videos, and best wishes to you!

[@oldbloke204]

The only real issue I see with living in the boonies as we age is access to services and our health deteriorates. Having to spend a fortune and lots of time travelling to hospitals, doctors or whatever doesn't appeal to me at all.

[@kbjerke]

@@oldbloke204 That's one reason I'm situated in an "in between" location. Very small town, but minutes to major medical facilities or other emergency services. I would say I'm enjoying the best of BOTH worlds. Stay well!

[@heavydutyralph2635]

What do you do for money living in the sticks? That's the only thing that pretty much stops me from leaving the city and living of the Land.

[@kbjerke]

@@heavydutyralph2635 I'm retired. And about 50% self sufficient. Not in a position that most people are, I'm afraid. Best wishes to you.

[@malcfrost2895]

I don't think that you can 100% judge a person's level of preparedness by where they live. I know people who live out in the country and have done zero to be self-sufficient. I live in what you would probably term suburbia/edge of rural. We only have a quarter of an acre in total including the house site, but we grow the majority of our own fruit, nuts and vegetables year-round. We are on town water supply, but also harvest rainwater from our house roof and shed rooves - mostly for watering our gardens, but we could filter it for drinking purposes in a shtf event. We buy some of our meat stocks, but also trade fruit and veg for them. Our eggs come from a neighbour. We're in New Zealand - hence the English spelling of certain words! Been prepping for 12 or 13 years now. We have a rural bug out location, but live in suburbia because it's convenient....for now. Enjoying your channel.

[@trsexton13]

Look at that coolant in the tractor, that looks like you may be getting oil in the coolant

[@Wheeling88]

Its kinda funny how people have went from being self sufficient to self entitled in the past 25yrs. Its only their fault tho, for not getting their priorities in order. Great talk tho Jason definitely food for though tho..👍👍👍👍👍

[@woodstrekker6345]

I am blessed to have the households around me that I do in our rural area. It is pretty clear though that the sheriff's office here have left it up to us to deal with thieves. Even in town, the police department picks them up and nothing happens. I totally agree with other SD videos talking about making our home look like a pain and that some other place may be easier. Thanks.

[@clif4rd1]

Well said, Sir. Thank you.

[@danielsmith969]

Atmospheric water generators are a good option for suburban and city prepping. Pair this with an appropriate jackery power station that accepts solar panels.

[@LETSGETUTILIZED316]

When it hits the fan there will be a lot of people who will compromise their morals and many of them will be people who we would never think could stoop to such a low level. Many people who are deemed "moral" are that way because they have things taken care of and are in a situation that is generally peaceful. But when the peace is taken away a person's true character will certainly rise to the surface. I've seen the stereotypical women who are the "good citizen" type having class and morals faintly exhibit qualities which show a predisposition to being very selfish, potentially betraying, and perhaps even violent when the peace is taken away. The Bible talks about family betraying each other in the great tribulation and I believe people will be surprised to see who betrays who in those times

[@mikew-jl3cg]

I moved last month from a busy suburban area outside Dallas to a lot less suburban area (46 miles from Dallas). I work remotely. I was lucky to find fast internet which isn't necessarily the case in rural areas. Need it for work. I am a prepper. I do not feel safe even where I am now. I feel like all my preps are at risk in a SHTF scenario and all my weapons won't protect my family. Next step is to move out further into a rural area. I need the job which pays me 6 figures to support my family. Very lucky it is remote. If my employer won't allow remote I would have no choice but to be closer to the suburbs. I don't know if I can be a homesteader even though I grew up growing veggies, fruit, chicken when I was a kid. Don't have the funds to build my own homestead. And I need to be relatively close to healthcare as I get older. To me, it is not easy to decide to live far away from suburbs. Lots of compromises.

[@mro2352]

I’m looking for at least quarter acre. Preferably 1-3. I can have chickens and a big garden, water collection and a location for a solar setup.

[@billywalker9223]

I doubt that you'll find such a small place in a rural area. My county requires at least 2 acres for a well and septic system. Anything smaller is only a camping spot, which may be attractive, but isn't saleable. The land in my area usually is 100 acres and up, although I do have a 36 acre spot.

[@lewis9888]

I have lived on my farm for over 20 years. It's only 4 miles to a small town, but it is out in the country. 14 miles to Walmart. Love it out here. Be prepared and be safe my friends.

[@chris1638]

This is a great topic. I really like listening to your thoughts in these areas

[@Nunya9876]

The country transforms from the country to rural, then suburban then urban, over time, as more people move out to the outskirts to seek “better places to live” outside the urban, suburban and rural areas. Unfortunately, the country and rural areas are hit hard by real estate companies looking for “undisturbed” land to develop into tract housing, neighborhoods and communities. This is what destroys country and rural areas. Farmers and property owners of vast or large land plots are basically forced out/off their land (land they probably owned for generations) and simply are bullied by both real estate and politics. That’s where the transformation from country to rural to suburban to urban begins, and it’s always a 1 way direction. Once a 50 acre farm is developed into warehousing space/building/homes/apartment complex/strip mall/shopping center, etc., it’s never returned to that once beautiful “relatively untouched” farm. 😢

[@SHTFScott]

I don't see how people can stay in a city if there is no food there and no way to grow more food. They might not want to leave, but if supply chains break down they'll surely move to the city 'Golden Horde' style because they know farms are there and fields, and livestock.

[@LETSGETUTILIZED316]

That's why it's wise to have previously designated a place in the wilderness to go, even more than one perhaps, and get a feel for the area beforehand as well. I think it's wise for people to have previously made a bushcraft campsite in the wilderness with a shelter, dakota fire hole, etc. so there's no reason to prepare because of already being prepared. Google Earth your area to see what woods are in the vicinity and go out there and make a campsite.

[@GUARDIAN.13]

You gotta be a different kinda thrifty but it can be done

[@billywalker9223]

​@virgilwalker683 You're one in a million. Glad to see someone being responsible. The trouble with people coming out here in the sticks is that there's one way in, and no way out. About 60 people live on this narrow road, and every one of them is armed to the teeth. Take care.

[@billywalker9223]

@@virgilwalker683 I'm way back in the sticks. It's steep in a lot of places. There are caves, creeks, and lots of trees. There's plenty of cover here, especially for a veteran. Plus, I've grown up here, and know every square inch.

[@billywalker9223]

@@virgilwalker683 You must be a veteran, or trained by my grandfather.

[@graylor1]

I feel like somewhere in the prepping axioms there should be something like "The length of time you can shelter in place without electricity is determined by immediate population density." Only more pithy and with some concrete numbers to define immediate and density.

[@ferebeefamily]

Thank you for the video.

[@warrenharrison9490]

Look to Venezuela to see who disappeared first.

[@charlessalmond7076]

Did they have a 2nd amendment? It'll be different here. Lots of nods and thermals in civilians hands.

[@warrenharrison9490]

​@@charlessalmond7076yea, they were disarmed before the new govt started to raid the farms and rural homes. People just simply disappeared.

[@marcusalancate1782]

Great presentation for the video. Intentionally life-like and practical. Pray, provide, prepare and protect!

[@SurvivalDispatch]

Always!

[@carltonboles6675]

Good stuff. Thanks

[@paint1016]

In my once rural area they are building high end homes. Our road we live on was dirt when we moved there and now half million dollar homes are going up rapidly

[@imjca63]

Thnks for the great advice, I'm a like minded individual when it comes to where to live but unfortunately my family sees otherwise. We had a house on 4 acres in Marble NC not far from you. 15 minutes from the Murphy Walmart but sold in 2017. Living in Fla but longing to live there. We visit often, Blairsville, Murphy and surrounding areas. Thanks again..JC...

[@ajherring92]

I live in a condo in the suburbs. I know everyone who lives in my building, some of the folks in the buildings to my east, west and north. I've identified possible problems in my area and possible assets. I miss living in the country for many reasons but I don't miss the lack of opportunity I had in small town USA. I miss my bucket collection from when I lived in the sticks.

[@erickpdavis8208]

I for one like what you are saying but alot of people don't no anything else but were they are and what they are doing i thank we all need to help if we can but some people can't be help but I still try and so do you keep up the good work

[@Fallo7]

Country Boys can survive!

[@jeff6989]

Rural area are nice but your needs don't change. You have the same needs. It don't matter where you live the needs are the same. I think it takes more resource to live in the country then the city. People in rural areas rely heavily on fuel in other resources brought in buy truck. All those things will slow down or stop all together. If it is not for the citys and urban ares the country would be a bad place to live. No fuel.medicine,tools. and parts for your tractors . Heat for your house will run out and with no fuel to drive to a tree to cut you will have nothing. We all rely on each other weather we like it or not!

[@JohnLocke1776]

Rural communities/properties can be a lone outpost like Keating etc.. waiting to be over-run. Suburban areas with enough prepared people who are willing to defend it and band together isn't too terrible. I don't see a SHTF situation here being a simple Soviet style collapse, but one rife with carefully engineered political violence, one side funded by the government/special interest groups. "Mostly peaceful" a color revolution like Arab Spring. Then there's the threat of wild fires etc.. either situation is a roll of the dice

[@robertbates6057]

I currently still live in the burbs. Decent neighborhood but on the edge of a huge metro area. Building our retirement home near Jason but not finished. I can tell you that in my mtn. neighborhood, people tend to get to know their neighbors and help their neighbors. Lone outpost isn't really a thing. I would watch the suburb activity and if looting starts, I'm out. My mtn. neighborhood would organize and defend and those boys (and I) can shoot. Food will be the difference. The millions in the city will eat each other.

[@JohnLocke1776]

@@robertbates6057 look at what's going on in South Africa currently, farmers are being picked off one by one, they're forming groups and QRF's so to speak to combat militancy in the dead of night. Nowheres safe. God bless you 🙏🇺🇸🔫

[@robertbates6057]

I agree that no place is perfectly safe but rural America is well armed.@@JohnLocke1776

[@oldbloke204]

@@JohnLocke1776 Yeah I agree. People make a lot of assumptions about how things will be, usually to suit their mindset or beliefs, but no one really knows. The reality is that most of the Govts. resources will flow to the city/urban areas as that's where the most people are. I remember seeing a post from a person living in country with a lot of civil unrest/war and they were saying that the cities were much safer as Police etc were more focussed on those areas but bands of armed bandits roamed the countryside doing as they wished pretty much. If there's a complete collapse then all bets are off imo and only time will tell who was lucky enough to get it right.

[@JohnLocke1776]

@@oldbloke204 right on bro. Yea magic prepper did a video like a year ago how the Department of defense thru the military has plans to "secure" swaths of the rural population. Cities are already smart grids largely composed of a docile populace. The suburbs and countryside will be absolutely be lit, mutual assistance groups need to be in place with contingency plans. You mentioned supplies in the city made me think of a video from Riverside Homestead where a truck driver shared a video of himself and many others dropping entire trailers FULL of food to an underground complex that went on for miles. Possibly all those food distribution centers that mysteriously burned down have been relocated to the city? Many ultra toxic train derailments have been poisoning the land, plus wild fires, engineered drought conditions makes me think the country isn't going to be nearly as nice as some would suggest

[@kingscairn]

Small Rural family , without a timely alert and backup system , is a fish in a barrel, prime candidates for ambush , outnumbered & outgunned

[@Utah_Mike]

I lived rural for over 1/2 my life (30 years) on 13 acres. Tons of issues in the rural, lots of drugs, no employment for the youth, & still many issues with the school systems. I have had way more stolen in rural area vs suburban area.I relocate to the suburbs 20 years ago, never looked back. I not only know my neighbors, I know my neighborhood. Recently two different neighbors needed help, word went out and over 20 people showed up at each location. Think back to the great depression, people left the rural areas (banks foreclosed on land debt) and people loaded up then headed to the cities as that’s where the help was. Rural life is fun to dream about but the grass is not greener.

[@lacrymosa777]

Biggest thing is community i think. There are a lot of ethnic communities in urban and suburban areas that really look out and check on each other. So i think some may be able to make it work depending on how serious the event is

[@phild8095]

In the flyover states there is the county seat, a small town with some stores, some tradespeople, some professionals. Population between 600 and 5,000. Not a suburb, because the city isn't close. To get to the projects, the drug dealers in the park, the hospitals, the concert venue, the college, etc is at least a 45 minute drive past agricultural land, and suburbs. In some literature these towns are known as an "exurbs". The county courthouse, the sheriff, a grocery store, a dollar store, a couple parks. Maybe a meat packing facility or small manufacturing. A town with four roads in, an ice cream place that people walk to, maybe a traffic light. The high school is known for academics as much as sports. The trouble making kids learn quick it doesn't pay. So there's little trouble in town. Right outside town they grow grain, raise animals for meat, milk, chicken eggs, maybe a small orchard. In town there's some chicken coops, a lot of gardens, old people walking to get some exercise. There's a mix of houses available, some approaching 200 years old, some the first coat of paint isn't even dry yet. The rural folks outside of town, on the gravel roads will be welcome to come into town when SHTF, they will recruit some help from the locals to help with chores when the power goes out and the fuel runs dry. They will bring in some of their produce and animals from time to time. The suburban areas are not a sweet spot. Suburbs are overly reliant on the "system". Their Wal Mart will be overrun from the urban area.

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍Interesting content

[@elicline2011]

You should try a bigger garden next year

[@derek3154]

I mean…the city’s are ridiculous now so in any event it would be total chaos!! Suburbs will be fine until resources erode from the cities, rural will be fine until the resources erode from the cities and suburbs…nobody will be insulated from varying degrees of hardship after their given time. Whatever EVENT happens will not go as we think it will and we’ll all be screwed, prepared might buy you time…but at some point I think I might not want to live in a lawless, resourceless world tbh.

[@TennGrizz]

Now I'm rural myself, but there's really no safe place in this day and age. Survival in the urban and suburban areas will be possible but not easy either. There will be no easy days for anyone in any total shtf scenario.

[@nathanpieper4634]

What is a city for? A city exists to refine, process, and trade resources. The labor resources are local. The material resources are mostly imported from more rural environments. A city doesn't function without it's imports. A rural person highly dependant on the cities refined products doesn't function either if a city doesn't. So if say for example "the trucks stop running", long term, in our current context the only people that stand a chance are are rural people who are not highly reliant on the city's product. I think very few rural Americans are anywhere near that lifeway, however they at least have the option to develop that kind of independence. I might agree that the suburban fringe might be a good location, but hard to say what is the greater security risk, more people to contend with, or less people to band together with. I hope the trucks don't just stop running full stop, (though there an a few things that certainly could bring that about) I hope infrastructure just gets unreliable enough that people have to relearn local community sufficiency and real land skills, for the strength and betterment of all.

[@peterbehringer63]

Long-term US expat, entrepreneur (and prepper) checking in from a third-world country not far south of the US. On Venezuela's recent meltdown: it's best to get the info from objective sources who had boots on the ground during that crisis....as legacy media reporters had quite a heyday furthering their careers on sensationalist photo essays at the height of the mess during 2014-2019. It's not easy to get a clear picture of this country's debacle or understand the situation if not placed in the correct context that's relatable to the average Joe in the US or Canada. The political crisis faded away but the economy is still weak, a majority percentage of the population is categorized as POOR. with monthly inflation running at an average of 8%, a slow-paced devaluation of the local currency continues, and lastly, a significant percentage of consumer and foodstuff items is STILL imported. The US dollar (cash) is KING is Venezuela. In general, the upper-class and wealthy folks who lived in the prosperous residential areas of the major cities like Caracas fared quite well during Venezuela's slow-motion SHTF event....as they had the resources to afford to stock up on supplies and/or hire lackeys or footmen for cheap to obtain rationed supermarket food items on the black market as well as being shielded from the unpleasant harshness in society by private security behind the high walls and electric fences at apartment buildings or gated residential home neighborhoods, with the top 1% relying on bodyguards and armor layer protection private vehicles when going out for cafe visits, shopping, office business meetings or just a ride to their private club. The rural areas and small towns, and villages suffered a lot from scarcity due to being at the low-priority end of the consumer goods (and public services) distribution chain...Dittos for electricity service, with frequent brownouts and blackouts. The supply woes included fuel delivery with long lines lasting sometimes 2 days sitting in a car or truck or worse, with empty gas pumps for a week or two in their small town.. Those who were dependent on propane gas canister delivery for kitchen cooking in poor areas in cities and towns resorted to firewood. The food supply dependency weakness was more noticeable in rural small town areas as folks had abandoned the traditional practice of gardening and orcharding, further exacerbated by socialist bureaucracy-run farm supplies stores, (with mandatory rationing and red tape for purchase permits) which in turn, discouraged, and impeded local farmers from producing crops for domestic consumption. As for security, it was rough throughout the country at peak crisis years, but the small towns, villages, and large farms/ranches on the fringes of the large metro areas had it the worst because extortionist gangs on motorcycles routinely roamed the countryside (still do, albeit to a lesser extent) to enforce collection of protection fees, as well as pursuing other criminal activities such as express kidnapping, drug rings, hitman services, car theft, and human trafficking- The only safe rural areas were remote farms, villages, and hamlets in the Andes Mtns. range region or deep in sparsely populated cowboy country, which made it difficult to access or unprofitable for the criminal underworld Other farms and ranches also suffered from cattle rustlers, night-time produce theft raids and even invading squatters, who enjoyed legal protection from the government. The Police forces and National Guard you ask, where were they? Well, sometimes they were the same guys active in the criminal gangs, or they ran their own juicy rackets at numerous roadside checkpoints or gas rationing queues at the pumps. A lot more i could say, i have enough material for a book or documentary or good reality-based fiction adventure story!

[@Tommy-rr7ez]

Mr. Peter all I know to say is thank you GOD BLESS you for taking your time to TRY to open up our eyes to the TRUTH! Thank you for doing it a respectful way my friend! Here in the US we are so spoiled & soòo full of PRIDE and ARROGANCE & FOOLISHNESS believe that what you just told can't & won't never happen here! There is NO doubt that ALMIGHTY GOD has definitely had HIS Most ALMIGHTY HAND upon this country but this country decided that they don't want GOD & have took HIM out of all their life's doing it their way! But nobody can take my LORD from me!!! Mr. Peter how WRONG they are!!! I truly concerned that GOD is fixing to show them how wrong they have been and HE is fixing to pour HIS JUDGEMENT upon this land! I truly truly pray I'm am completely wrong my friend!!! Thank you so much for what you have told that and the way you told it! May The LORD Bless and keep you and your family and all the others like you!!!

[@kingscairn]

I hear ya brother - my rural community has turned into manhattan in just a few years - bunch a damn yankees movin in plantin good cropland into lawns - invasion from both directions

[@branni6538]

We only own/ have what we can pick up and run with. Don't forget that.

[@JohnTBlock]

3 things kill people in SHTF - disease, starvation, and people behaving badly. I'll take my chances in the country... I live in a sub-division in what was a fairly country area. Each house has a deep well, but it requires electricity to run the pump... not sure how much solar would run the system...

[@robertevans8126]

sharing

[@jeffechols5302]

See ya on the next one

[@rankin242]

Why I love Wyoming not that many people and wide open spaces ❤

[@twowheelfarm9024]

Hey city folk, stay in the city. That being said, I understand that people are the greatest asset. If you want to work hard awesome. As a group member, I would rather feed my pigs grass, grubs and garden scraps.... don't be a parasite. Every hard worker on the farm can feed five more hard workers. Be an asset, not a parasite.

[@jamesparker6383]

I planted a 4x4 garden once and got busted for it. I swear they were russian tomato plants. LOL

[@jeffpaul8260]

So how would thhe city folk get tto the country in a full shtf scenario? No gas for cars. They gonna walk 50 miles? Remember country folk armed too and watch out for each other plus not much cover in farm land so marauders kinda easy pickings for a good rifle.

[@ypsiprepper]

There is nothing I'd like more than to get out of the small city I live in. Just to many people and not enough land to live the way I want. Money is the only thing slowing me fown. But when I do have the money, im out!

[@cd2talk]

It's going to be like the movie the purge

[@smokymountains5249]

I'm so grateful that I don't live within 2 hrs of any big cities. There is nothing in any city, that would be worth me living in one.

[@SurvivalDispatch]

That’s my thoughts. My wife has to drag me to the city to go visit friends and family

[@NatureBetsLast]

Watch American outlaw on this issue, especially regarding war time shtf. As the cities got bombed out in Ukraine, as the Russians moved through the countryside, the vast majority of the people moved from the cities, from the towns, into other cities where there was aid, shelter, food, medical. This is coming from someone with military training. People in trouble would band together for support immediately, all at once you had nobody you could trust to whole bunk houses of people working together and sharing because they were all in the same position. He explains how a person with binoculars and a person who can shoot up to 300 meters will decimate most small rural groups. It would take a much larger group over a much better price of land to withstand the onslaught. Perhaps 90% of rural area is just a buy you time sort of location. I think you need remote, difficult to get to without specialized vehicles. Quads, plains, boats.

[@bc4yt]

Five gallon bucket collections separate the boys from the men 🤛

[@DylanJBartram]

Is there a certain # threshold to make that leap? Lol

[@bc4yt]

@@DylanJBartram It starts at 2 but having many, especially of different sizes designates a man of culture. Multiple colors... That's just showing off!

[@stevenrush9862]

It’s about time for a new front tire

[@AKNigel]

I've always thought it was a strange discussion in the prepper sphere. History of Communist revolutions or civil wars are ignored in terms of rural vs urban safety.

[@phild8095]

For someone to make it to your treeline with a rifle, they would pass so many opportunities it would be years before they got out there.

[@JustInCases72]

We have all seen the people go nuts a Christmas time when the all want the some special toy. The all go bat sh*t nuts! Could you imagine what it would look like if that was food.

[@kjellcattoor4485]

How to make an EMP

[@OPSTuT]

500 people live in St. Paul. You probably knew them all. lol.

[@bowcock4674]

the problem will start in the urban areas. it won't stop there.

[@MrThenry1988]

Never lived in a city. Couldn't imagine. Where I live I could shoot in all directions without hitting anything. Not today. The neighbors I now have are heavy into guns though. That's a good thing. They are not from the city.

[@madbombermike]

The dude abides!

[@simontempler3239]

The bottom line on the subject you brought up is this: If you live in an urban area think about what is happening right now! All the major retail businesses are already closing up shop and leaving in the large cities and the hoodlums' are moving to the more affluent areas to rob and steal ! and that's happening right now and it's not even the apocalypse yet ! Just look what just happened in Philadelphia....Now imagine a real-life SHTF as you call it situation occurs ! If you live in a suburb outside a large city say in Seattle, New York, Phoenix, Tucson ! The hoards are coming your way and you better be ready to get out !

[@patriotallen9717]

Please put on some socks and boots. I cant tell you how many reasons there are to do so. Be safe.

[@johngalt5504]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@JustInCases72]

If they don’t have a location to go to then they will be just like other people in other countries 1000s refugees

[@cathleenweston3541]

I've lived both. And am back in SF area bc my kids are here. It's horrible. But we are on a short dead end in the Hills above the Hordes of immigrants from Mexico. ILLEGALS drug addicts live nearby. They're pretty pathetic tho. We are armed and prepared to close the block But who knows? We will probably bug out though. Thank God we are a camping hiking family. We can deal for awhile on the road. I'd go straight to Quartzite where BOOMERS have guns and cur me the RVs.

[@johnchase6607]

One thing very important. Put your trust in the Lord, Jesus Christ. Be prepared Do your best. He will guide You and listen to Him.

[@jasonm949]

Ive worked overseas in more than a few places where 100s of thousands of people gave been internally displaced. If you think your small town or farm or remote cabin is safe, you're wrong. I'd rather be urban, because everyone will be leaving for the sticks.

[@lisajohnston6422]

You are fooling yourself. Everyone knows the rural people are farmers and preppers. People will come to the rural areas and take your stuff because you can't defend your property from a small mob. My suburban area has gardens and chickens and is surrounded by farmers. I also have a two rivers nearby.

[@billywalker9223]

How will they travel the 60 miles? I don't believe that mobs are going to travel up a one lane road for miles, looking for food to steal. Even if they took this year's crop, they couldn't replace it for next year. There's no way anyone is getting back in here. There are 200 foot ridges on both sides of the road, where all the people here can stop an invasion. Maybe the flatlands are different.

[@lisajohnston6422]

@billywalker9223 If the starving mob can leave the city and travel to the suburbs and those in the suburbs will push out to the rural areas, then they can travel anywhere. Are you assuming they won't have transportation? I am former military and entry team LEO. You will NOT be able to defend your homestead alone from marauders. Anyone with a brain won't come straight up a stove pipe. Most people know rural folks are preppers with canned goods, tools and ammo. How will you know when they are coming? Do you have enough people to pull watch 24/7?

[@warneyoung9403]

Or you may have mixed different coolants that could have caused the coolest to jell ,, just check your oil ,that will tell you

[@timeckenrode2710]

This whole thing, aint not 1 person safe! This is heaven type shit! World breaking shit!

[@warneyoung9403]

Bro you got oil in you coolent, you may have a cracked head

[@SurvivalDispatch]

That’s what I was thinking. I’m hoping it’s just the gasket.