SHOULD YOU PUSH OR PULL A MIG WELD? FLAT OR RIPPLE BEAD?

[@MartinMcMartin]

KZbin weld inspector .. that's gold Matt

[@maskdwn4445]

Lmao

[@volksdeutschewaffenss9670]

nice welding , i,m a qualified welder been so over 20 years , on the job you do what ever it takes to stick the metal together, pull push whatever cheers

[@anxietyonline1947]

Yes sir, I'm 10 years in only but agree. Push and pull will give you different profiles but that's about it.

[@valveman12]

This is the first time I've seen this torch trick to show weld penetration. I've only seen this done with chemicals until now. The torch trick is something I am going to try. Thanks

[@goatie1822]

Matt explains everything so well. He would be a great teacher, certainly on a one to one basis. Thoroughly enjoying his videos. Thank you Matt

[@BasicDev]

my experience with push / pull: pulling keeps the wire in the puddle which gives you a bit more heat in the puddle. good for thick stuff or structural. do whatever u want as long as it penetrates. Thinner metal I like to push because you seem to have less of a chance of blowing through thinner metal while pushing. its just preference. Weaving is good for large pieces and thicker weld beads. plus stacking dimes is fun.

[@Sevalecan]

Handy notes for when I get my new consumables and practice some more MIG tomorrow.

[@salomonhernandezgarcia1803]

It's curious how works totally oposite to me, when im welding 2-3 mm plate i like to increase a little the distance of the stickout and go pulling, and it goes very consistent for me 🤣

[@damienmccormack2789]

I was leading hand in a truck chassis mod shop for a while and we x-ray'd all our welds on chassis rails. I can say with 100% confidence that a good welder can do a perfect weld almost any which way. We tested and then it was ultra sound treated and x-ray'd again and we never had a fail. The 2 things that are detrimental in making a weld fail is inclusions and voids and as long as thou use the appropriate filler wire and settings and have prepared correctly, how you apply the filler wire doesn't change that much, or you can prep the material to use a certain process. Personally I'm not any where near as consistent as I should be but I hired guys that were like robots. One of my guys lived for welding, he was always trying to get better or learn a new process but when we tested him against a robot welder once trying to justify the million dollar price tag, he was more consistent because he was able to feel see and adjust on the move. Not bad for a guy with a 3rd grade education and couldn't read or write. He got all his tickets on practical testing in the oil industry some how.

[@jonathonwilliams93]

I have an 85' MR2 project on the go that needs a bit of welding in the frunk. Never picked up a welder before but these vids are spot on. Thanks for the tips Matt!

[@terrysibley9636]

That is absolutely correct. Push pull left hand right hand,you do what you have to. When I was much younger work for LeTourneau, in Vicksburg, I've seen guys Weld upside down with a mirror so they could see the bottom of a pipe on a manifold. Very nice

[@tomyoung2065]

Thanks, Urch, using the propane torch looks like a really useful technique for highlighting the weld. I also appreciate you taking the time to make multiple cuts across the weld like you did. Most people just do one cut/etch and assume it's representative, but it stands to reason that there will be some variability along the bead.

[@caltubet.v7259]

Pipe welding for 4 years its tough but you have taught me alot in this 1 video . Thanks 👌

[@richmac918]

The great debate - push or pull. I was taught, as a general rule, if there is slag, drag, otherwise push. However I've seen people MIG doing both and there seemed to be little difference in either regarding penetration and both produced good welds. As you stated in the beginning, in the real world sometime you have no choice and have to use both. BTW - great idea using the torch to highlight the welds. I just learned something new

[@AngusAbbott-qf8xm]

“KZbin weld inspector” made me cry 😢 great video like most of the ones you put up

[@chadmoyer1453]

I do thank God for you brother and the way your demeanor is in delivering your communication. It is not mean but rather kind and no sense of bias. Good job and may the Lord Jesus Christ bless you.

[@swishyo]

I use push flick back to initially heat material and flick back to ad material (wire). Works a treat! Can also be used in pull. I fabricate gym equipment and structural , all tested, all perfect 👍🏻

[@grantlaredo9795]

Cheer mate, good teacher! All the best from Australia!

[@haydeng6801]

I agree with everything you say make no really important difference only time you would wanna do it to the books is if it’s a high structural need how ever there is no real benifit of having a really big leg length keep it to the same thickness has the material any smaller then the weld is a weekspot any bigger the it’s just excessive strength and moves the chance of cracking/braking to the actually material which makes it harder for repairs I could go all day about the structural aspect of welds but I’ll leave it there other then that I agree with you completely great video man support from Australia

[@jamesropati8316]

I was taught push is better than a pull because you are pushing into the heat and will get better penetration but that's because I'm a beginner and I think a push is easier for those starting out.

[@terencehawkes3933]

You are a very good teacher. I wish I had found your channel a long time ago.

[@JPlatt95Z]

Discovered that little heat etching trick myself at work pushing a piece hard on a belt sander. No more chemicals! Where i work they have a whole process for cutting, etching, and putting the piece under a microscope. Im sure if you put a higher polish on the piece the then heated it and put it under the scope the view would be just as good as with the acid etching method. 👍

[@bartden9668]

Nice video. Thanks fot that. Put guards on your angle grinders man. I once had a accident with such a small angle grinder and it was no joke. Never think 'it won't happen to you'... The disc turns at 12.000 RPM. Never think you're 100% in control...

[@acrobbo1937]

Thanks Matt well explained! Yes you need to weld in different directions to suit the conditions

[@ayautomotivevisuals]

Haters gonna hate. I'm a welder fabricator using tig and mig on mostly stainless steel, and I use different techniques every day depending on what it is I'm welding. I'll generally push and do the stop start method and I prefer to weld hot and go downward with mig but go up with tig because it's easier to get wire in. But basically you got to do what you got to do. Anyone that says you should only do one method must just be doing 1" butt welds in the middle of a football pitch or something lol. Keep up the top work mate. Loving the mongrel build so far.

[@littlejool5]

Really humble and down to earth, real world assessment and it draws parallels with non welding aspects of what we do and how we think, we do what we can with what we have to make the best bonds possible,

[@jamestaylor8217]

Really enjoyed this. I'm a beginner welder, but with a lot of background in ship design, welding theory, shipbuilding, and heavy structural, from an engineering management point of view. I think you should consider working towards a welding Engineer degree. With your curiosity and ability to design good demonstrations, you'd be a good fit.

[@jacobjohnson8131]

KZbin weld inspector...loved that one..I work at a junk yard so I fix alot a stuff...lol...yeah sometimes ya just gotta do what works..

[@autofiend3785]

Great work mate, good to see a technique for testing the penetration too. So many shoddy fabricators on youtube showing people how to do things the wrong way. Keep it up man.

[@digschopper9321]

MAP test is a quick home method. Maybe not best,but some indication. I'll be trying this .

[@gojjjddoooj]

I have a weld test for shipfitting in a few days. never touched a mig setup in my life always used stick! hoping ill be able to pass the basic weld/tack test

[@paulradford4100]

When you go for training it's usually mid to thick metal and they do circles for flat, c's for t-joint and triangle vertical up. The patterns help you to build at the joint and with practice gives a more consistent weld.. Obviously on thin stuff, due to heat, straight welds are advised. You are also taught to push mig, pull stick. This makes sense.. with stick you pull away from introducing slag. Pushing mig forces oxygen away from the weld, pulling could draw oxygen into the weld by suction, theoretically of course. In the end, though, regardless of what you've been taught, you have to do depending on that specific circumstance (within reason).

[@REDBARRON2424]

i agree with what you said in the first 5 minutes. what ever works for what your trying to do .. great video . .

[@waynepowell567]

Excellent info & Presentation. Very useful. Thanks for posting & sharing.

[@seandowling8385]

Was taught to drag MIG for increased root penetration on horizontal fillets. Also worked for me

[@mattyguff1]

Drag if there is slag.

[@nimblemotorsports]

Well sometimes I do a straight weld and then go back over with the weave to make it wider. Love the videos matt

[@xinixxagnix201]

You are a great teacher, i learn welding from you.

[@bobprice9244]

In our ASME weld shop using 1/16 Flux core wire and co2 flowing 45cfm we pull. No weave. Comes out great. Mill scale is removed for exray jobs only

[@OldJoe212]

Trying to answer the question of the ages. Great demo. I too have tested my welds by bending them over and even some of my ugly looking weld held. Seems like the answer is that if you have your machine set correctly, you'll get a satisfactory weld. BTW, this is the most informative channel I've found. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge.

[@Urchfab]

Good to hear, Cheers

[@bradalan7188]

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[@pv2870]

I've taught a lot of people how to weld. By far the best was a professional musician that played cello in an orchestra. The first weld he ever did looked like it was done by a robot.

[@brentcraig]

I went to school for welding years ago. We were taught that a mig flat bead weld was bad. I then worked for Toyota and they wouldn't allow anything but a flat weld. There is a difference in opinion between both worlds. One, the structural welding world would say it is a must to use a pattern to get the best penetration. Two the manufacturing world says patterns cause bubbles in the pentration of the weld making it weaker. When in all actuality manufacturers are want the least and fastest weld to save money, product, and time. I was also taught in school that for mig it didn't matter what direction you welding unless it was a vertical weld.

[@joelara3662]

Dude your videos really inform and help me understand welding in general. Keep the videos coming. I'll be tuned in.

[@lacihalasz]

Good welder can do it in every direction just like they taught us in welding school

[@phillhuddleston9445]

"welders do it in every direction" sounds like it should be on a t-shirt :)

[@andrewcleveland57]

Awesome videos! I weave mig 100% as long as space permits , only time I won’t weave with mig is with flux core wire.

[@justcruisin109]

A really good demonstration and analysis of your results. I expected that you would get some variation in results from the cursive style given the change in torch angle to the workpiece. I think you could also use pulse to get the ripple effect albeit that is normally in spray-arc transfer. Would have been interesting to see a comparison with spray-arc (pulse and non-pulse) for the straight pass given I'd expect the penetration to be greater for that transfer mode. Enjoyable watching - I must have strange tastes :-)

[@Urchfab]

I'm planning to do some pulse vs short circuit, my new mig has pulse mode on it. Cheers

[@georgegriffiths2235]

Welder for 54 years senior inspector for the last 10 push pull all depends on material thickness 1.6 vertical always drag down no such thing as wrong in welding unless it specifically states in the WPS and for those who don’t know that’s aWelding Procedure Specification for general non coded welding ie non structural work whatever works best for you

[@scottyglenwalker2345]

Yea I have to weld thicker metal to thin gauge metal so I have to use a weave I stay on the thicker and wip in otherwise I blow a hole right through the thin gauge if I go in a straight line

[@tarvokallaste8327]

Thanks alot for the video mate. I'm going through welding school right now and after watching countless hours of the "Weaving" method videos and trying it out in school, my instructor was quick to tell me to stop that. Apparently, by their standards atleast a pretty weld doesn't mean it's a good weld and you're better of straight pushing it. Kinda weird since I see so many big names on KZbin doing it but whatever, I suppose they have a reason to say so. Also they recommend pushing a MIG weld, I realize ofcourse that at work you have to do whatever it takes. Welding in school and at work are two different animals. Great content buddy and thanks again.

[@garypostell5268]

You should try some dual shield wire it works with 75/25 or C25

[@rsbharley4766]

Great video Matt, helps a lot. Thanks for sharing. Cheers

[@1012Mrjesse]

My teacher told/taught me how to weld both push and pull, and to always try different techniques because there might be one you like more than the other

[@stevefuller1779]

The only way to get total consistancy is to machine weld, I have been welding all kinds of stuff from cars to rusty framework for nearly fifty years and agree with everything you say, when you are welding, in situ, have to adapt and do whatever it takes to get the job done, as shown by spot welding you don't really need to weld solid all along so if you do this will compensate for any variation in the welds plus it looks nicer.

[@supercuda1950]

The important thing is you, are the one making money welding. If your welds suck, your business sucks. It doesn't take long for customers to find out out good or bad your welding is. Great video, great view of the different welding techniques.

[@brentsmith5647]

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[@waynemartin5247]

Thanks, I’ve never welded before but I guess if there is a risk of oxidation then fill in the gaps, the last thing you want is a gap where water and acid can eat at the iron and create a structural fault by corrosion. If using stainless steel where corrosion contamination is low then it doesn’t matter, so probably a nice fancy pattern on stainless.

[@lrcb40]

Thanks, Matt! Nice explanation and demo!

[@watahyahknow]

with the e type of welding you can walk the cup along the weld , gives you more controll , they do the same thing with tig welding , even make wider cups for that

[@MulderXfile]

I just find if you push you can see the joint better when welding.

[@dancoleman8467]

Excellent video. Thank you!

[@6wil0liam2]

I've taken many test that the tester said you cant weave. You can push or pull but you cant have a roll of dimes look

[@dadams19111]

Nice penetration. I use a combination of the methods too but I am a hobbyist. I like the technic for testing welds

[@frankj4u]

It all comes down to how it holds. One can be stronger than the other

[@shiftinggears9896]

You should put a welding mask infront of the camera so people can see the arc as you're welding. Nice welds! Nee sub

[@evanbregier7582]

The camera usually doesn’t pick up the arc very well through a mask

[@richardweyland116]

As long as you have good penetration and no porosity, no undercut, you're right, push pull, whatever it takes.

[@lacihalasz]

And what are the paramets on the maschine? Volts and wire speed ...and the mixture of gas

[@matthewcadle7200]

They would be set for the person welding the job!. cougar mig gas at a guess :)

[@jsmcortina]

Clarke rust eater (phosphoric acid) works easily for etching. I tried that after watching Jodie's videos.

[@jaquesdaniels2964]

Nice job again, I saw on the Miller or Lincoln site, that pulling tends to penetrate more versus pushing, I've found that to be true generally. As you said, getting the tiny arc down into the root is important, in my view, the weaving thing is misunderstood, I think its ok for some jobs, my apprenticeship was mostly stick welding and when capping a multi run we were taught to "walk the arc" at all times concentrating on maintaining a consistent arc. In general, you didn't turn your wrist as this can open the arc so you kept your wrist locked. You can see the arc open up in TIG if you don't travel and rotate the torch. Whatever , you are right, you do what you need to get the job done.Top tip with that blowtorch, and" you tube welding inspector" ha ha, cracked me up, so true lol.

[@Urchfab]

Cheers, there's so much info out there its hard to know what to believe, its always best to just have a go or find someone who actually does it for a job. an old friend who taught me a lot used to say you should always be straight up and down and look in from the side rather than tilt the torch for mig. he built some amazing stuff.

[@Thunkworks]

It would be really interesting to see one of your whipped welds cut lengthwise to see how consistent the penetration is.

[@Urchfab]

Yeh I would be interested to see that too, not sure how easy that would be to do though.

[@hanshoogendyk2203]

great informative videos, goes to proof that one should learn to weld before starting a project. mainly so you dont have to back later when your welding comes up to scratch and all your ugly welds remind you how bad you were to start with

[@jacquesroche7654]

General rule of thumb. If there's slag, drag. Working with hard wire? Go with what works

[@matthewcadle7200]

Different applications for different jobs, but i like a pattern :)

[@jokervienna6433]

I would rather push it, not drag it. I am by no means any expert, but I think the short pre-heating makes a better/safer weld. But ok, if it comes down to a "good enough" and very pretty weld, ok for dragging. It is nothing I will argue about, everyone does their thing. I do mine.

[@sirloock8360]

It's the stringers for me bud. Functionality over appearance. A good stringer still looks nice imo.

[@6lr6ak6]

In the 80s when l passed my ASME 6GR and Mig certs l was taught push, and pull flux cored.

[@evanjames2566]

Fcaw should be drag correct? To avoid slag inclusion…

[@jeremyr7147]

Lol, much of my welding is exhaust, with big .30 wire, not great but versatile.. I get best results with small rolling circles between both pieces, penetrates without burning through. A roll will hold better than a straight flat in most cases I would think.

[@farmtruck9885]

I always liked pushing cuz you can get your face in there and really control the puddle, pulling you have the nozzle there. But yeah, it really doesn't matter. Good vid. 👍 KZbin welding inspectors 🤣

[@johnchisholm7350]

Thanks for really getting into the finer points, but may need a wee bit more volume. Our problems (us wrinklies) can,t see very well to see where we’re going. What to do next! John from Oz

[@AndreKotze-f3c]

I found out today after 8 years of welding, due to a recent hernia operation that causes 10 years of hell and my right arm muscles to jerk preventing me to weld straight, my speed still is fine, that I used a straight edge to guide my welding gun to give me a perfect straight line weld, is that wrong to do and why.

[@Letsgo_BrandonR]

Certain fact; backhand has a narrower deeper fusion. Forehand has a wider shallower fusion. If you have good fit; thick steel -backhand. If you have no choice to push, get that small stickout. In any case the angle needs to be slight at most…imagine little tiny metal droplets being shot at the base metal… they will bounce off it its too shallow.

[@Migman2020]

if you want to know what technique is best when it comes to mig movements then they should be tested on a automated track.. only way you will cancel out the variables

[@autoSRI]

Horses for courses I’d say looking at your results I can see benefits for each type but I’m not a welder

[@Sctronic209]

You explain things very well.

[@THOMASTHESAILOR]

Lincoln Welders says, "If you Slag, You Drag (pull)" .. i guess, otherwise, same results either way.. They have a good video on youtube about MIG welding..

[@garypostell5268]

Sometimes just got to do whatever you can to get the job done ✅

[@johnmurdock5001]

If strength is what matters definitely flat! If it needs to be pretty rather than strong then weave (like fencing).

[@adammcfarren5214]

Here’s the real difference. You get more heat when pushing a weld. But pulling is easier. Pulling will hold just as good as pushing. However when your welding aluminum you can only push. You can’t pull an aluminum weld.

[@phillhuddleston9445]

Good to know Adam.

[@holikerika4858]

Heat build up in the piece also can produce pretty big differences in the weld from i i have experienced.

[@nmartin5551]

Wish I could put down such gorgeous beads

[@bartiboguesunset3167]

are you using gassless wire or solid wire with gas . So much splatter with this flux cored gasless wire

[@jacquesroche7654]

Hard wire loves pushing. Figure 8's is a good starting pattern. Until you find your comfort level.

[@actorzone856]

If you are using Gasless mig wire its drag the slag rule as gasless leaves slag, the angles should be 5 to 10 degrees, does not matter with gas, i use Mig Gasless E71T-11 wire as its a lot better to weld with and leaves a better weld than standard wire.

[@fuzzypumper]

Excellent, learnt something new !

[@garypostell5268]

Jody the man except on dual shield then JD the man for dual shield 💯

[@reygalang2231]

What is the best push or pull

[@camstocky2019]

Pretty good watch mate however did you think that maybe the weld settings should be different for all these different Weld methods? It kind of seemed to me more of a test of the best weld type for that particular settings on thin steel. I agree that most methods will work especially if you take the time to get the machine dialed in for how you Weld. I guess I would think that with most welds failing in the HAZ that maybe the stringer inputting less heat as the Weld profile is more consistent. As you need the valleys in the ripple to meet the minimum Weld profile requirements?

[@clist9406]

I agree with your general purpose types of weld. My mig like tig welds on hot rods would make a structural or pipe welder cringe .

[@garypostell5268]

Push on Alum and thin metal pull on thicker stuff sometimes you have to do both very few people weld straight all the welder I know use some type of manipulation of the wire in the puddle circle or e or c or step forward and back 💯🇺🇸💪❤️

[@gillywild]

Really enjoying these videos. Good info and an excellent relatable delivery. Cheers m'dear :) like the tip with the map gas. I'm so going to try that.

[@Urchfab]

Thanks.

[@bruced1429]

when I can not get my mig gun into a tight spot I get out the stick welder and some 2mm 6013 (if thin metal) and have a go. I had to today welding so stops for a grate no way to get mig gun in there. Push or drag on mig makes no difference to me, what ever works to get the work done. good video.

[@Urchfab]

I usually try to avoid the stick welder unless I'm working outside, but yeh sometimes its the only way. I use an mb15 mig torch for doing roll cages, that helps a bit for tight spots. Cheers

[@brocluno01]

Cool look at the process - thanks :-)

[@JasonVladimir]

Good show! Thanks for sharing!

[@georgegriffiths2235]

Testing fillet welding weld one side then break it against the weld look for any non fusion at the root