US Bans Kaspersky: Is Kaspersky Spyware?

[@nogaxeh6]

Meanwhile Vanguard having kernel-level access, while being maintained by a game company, not even a security company xd

[@P7Hook]

Isn't it chinese, too?

[@isrmjord]

@@P7Hook yup, tencent has majority

[@cranberrysauce61]

biggest difference is the CCP hasn't directly threaten military action against US or its allies, and/or directly involved in war with a country the US has ties to.

[@gearfriedtheswmas]

@@cranberrysauce61 Chi-na has connections with Russia

[@tpd1864blake]

@@gearfriedtheswmasRussia and China are not on good terms right now I think

[@BramSLI1]

Kaspersky caught the NSA setting up a back door into every Windows machine with Eternal Blue and also came up with a way to determine if your device is infected with Pegasus. This is why Kaspersky is banned.

[@FurkanOz480]

Howly how do u know

[@Marco-uo9ww]

Eternal Blue wasnt found by Kaspersky it got leaked by The Shadow Brokers. Pegasus is amateur work compared to the shit the NSA pulls off.

[@Marco-uo9ww]

Also operation triangulation makes Pegasus look like a joke.

[@kabloosh699]

@@FurkanOz480 it would make sense since it undermines US deep state interests.

[@Capt-Intrepid]

No. Any anti-malware company could do that as well. EternalBlue was an exploit that took advantage of a SMB Windows vulnerability bug that was subsequently fixed by Microsoft. There was no back door.

[@sulphurous2656]

It's likely not a coincidence they decided to outlaw Kaspersky right after they figured out how to counter their greatest ally's Pegasus.

[@knowwhatimeme]

Never did trust these anti virus's back then and I still don't now!

[@yacinekcl]

interesting

[@Halcyon737]

What do you mean?

[@metazare]

It most certainly retaliation for that. It they were actually concerned about hostile nation software they'd be banning all chinese software because chinese businesses also have a requirement to surrender any and all information to the CCP if they're told to. Chinese spies are caught in the US all the time trying to steal things in government and research so they more than meet the criteria for being considered a hostile nation. China just makes all the worlds cheap goods so no one's willing to actually do anything about it.

[@mr.sunshine1444]

@@Halcyon737 Israel created Pegasus. Kaspersky was one of the first anti-virus's to be able to stop Pegasus. So, take from that what you will but i think he means that the US doesn't want a Russian anti-virus stopping a Israeli (US ally) virus from spying on Americans, for the US government.

[@alyuxmc]

The argument that "the source code for the software is unknown" falls apart when so many other programs, not just AVs, are closed-source.

[@waterturtle2919]

The implied argument is "the source code for the software of a Russian company is unknown". Considering that the US and Russia are in a proxy war, the ban makes sense.

[@chamezard]

And windows is closed sourced too.

[@STCatchMeTRACjRo]

@@chamezard reason you should not use windows

[@francoisleveille409]

Putin pays one team to make malware and gets money from the other team making and selling Kaspersky. He then takes the malware's code from the team making them and hands it to the team making Kaspersky. Neat way to fund an army.

[@waterbloom1213]

​@@STCatchMeTRACjRo But I thought security through obscurity was cool. How are you going to hack something if you literally cannot see the screen? /s

[@lacerdae]

The US is really worried about Kaspersky discovering things about the Pegasus spyware...

[@GTV8593]

this does not stop any security research being done by the Kaspersky teams. that literally not how internet works, bub. all this does is mitigates the number of potential targets within the US from falling victim to a pseuo-Commercial company that is directly controlled by Kremlin. this isn't a hyperbole. if a nation like Russia routinely sends teenagers to prison for merely mentioning Ukraine in a positive light, how much control do you think they have over devs at a company like Kaspersky that have root access to users PCs?

[@rusl1rusl]

@@GTV8593 We do not send teenagers to prison for this, you are victim of a propaganda.

[@lordmike9331]

@@GTV8593 yup! american spyware allowed only. the U.S government is the only government who deserves your data. And there is no actual evidence kaspersky is nefarious, being russian means the U.S government shouldnt use it but banning it for citizens is a stretch. It's like tiktok was under fire when people act like instagram aint taking your data

[@NekousagiKorou]

@@GTV8593 The Swiss company Kaspersky

[@sush7117]

​@@GTV8593 can you provide a name of at least one teenager who ended up in prison for said deed?

[@avelo895]

CIA does not like to be detected on every single PC.

[@farhanrejwan]

very well said.

[@DrMrPersonGuy]

Americabad, very original. Don't talk about the FSB, only americabad.

[@adamk.7177]

@@DrMrPersonGuy Ding ding. You're the only guy in this comment section who knows anything. Kaspersky is suspicious because they catch Russian malware too early - like WAY earlier than everyone else. They've had ties with the FSB in the past, even if they 'broke them off'. It's pretty clear that they're on the same team as the guys making the viruses. Everyone in this comment section and even unfortunately the video maker themselves does not get that it's a stupid idea to put foreign software that may introduce a backdoor into your PC if you're thinking about things from a security mindset. A security mindset should be your top priority, even if you 'trust' this software.

[@unrealbot3027]

​@@DrMrPersonGuy aww did you hurt your peepee on the shit spangled banner?

[@julienckjm7430]

​@@DrMrPersonGuy So you think AmericaGood? 😂😂😂

[@privacyhelp]

I feel more threatened by meta, google, apple and microsoft rather than kaspersky.

[@yesitschelle]

No joke. Third parties test Kaspersky regularly. They run it through the wringer, and it's fantastic.

[@ssr4xlxl691]

I do so Nobody can trust US as well

[@Pakistani890]

i think more than Google, Apple or Microsoft, meta by far is the worst the SELL your data plus they don't have good history of security breaches and have lost massive no. of accounts to hackers...

[@ChrisGagner]

Those companies are just collecting our data for the U.S. government.. so nothing to worry about. I'm sure it's fine. 🙄 Don't ask questions.

[@DragonGamer-ly3lf]

​@@ssr4xlxl691I'll rather trust Russia than U.S. because at least they don't collect my personal data and send it to the goverment and profit of it.

[@quitehandsomedude6412]

They don't want Kaspersky to reveal whatever NSA is doing.

[@4Nanook]

That is exactly it!

[@sebimmbasti]

Snowden did that - but most people have forgotten. The worst enemy of US citizens is their own state. Not Kaspersky.

[@chri-k]

The real cause was 100% that they figured out how to counter Pegasus

[@DangerWrap]

Also they previously uploaded NSA spyware to their cloud.

[@flyfin108]

my first thought

[@chri-k]

@@DangerWrap they did?

[@derichuynh9839]

@@chri-k en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspersky_and_the_Russian_government NSA Theft Controversy Basically an NSA user had Kaspersky installed and the spyware (malware) samples and source code was detected in a zipped file and uploaded as malware to their KSN network for review. (Which is exactly what you would expect from a Anti-Malware program). The main problem was that it was zipped with the source code, the entire zip was sent up.

[@Themusiic09]

​@@chri-k The Kaspersky security cloud which analyses viruses.

[@djdogstar7385]

It was because of Pegasus. Kaspersky was able to uninstall government-spyware.

[@BhumiPiltz]

Or maybe because it's software easily compromised by the Kremlin.

[@evilleader1991]

they also uncovered Triangulation exploit on iOS:

[@SB-qm5wg]

stuxnet, eternalblue, WannaCry, etc.

[@iamwitchergeraltofrivia9670]

Uninstall Windows Tracking is not good

[@xXstevilleXx]

Bingo someone who did some research, I did not mention this in my own comment but not only that, look at the CVE registry to see there is far more to this... Regardless, Kaspersky is SOC 2 TYPE II compliant and certified, I hope you understand what international requirements you must meet to even be considered for a SOC 2 (not to mention a TYPE II) certification. If you get that you know why this relates to the former. But Again, if I am a better man, which I am not, I would think the US will Recommend Trend Micro or Sophos. Which is ok, better than McFee and other known brands but again you can independently verify why END POINT security by Kaspersky makes the rest look like ClamAV. But fair enough, politics aside, Sophos have great solutions and in my experience better than Trend Micro. So what is next, Proton? Yes the Kaspersky Labs they are cutting ties with is Swiss not Russian... again must of the same vibe going on as was the case with TT. Oh to get a SOC 2 TYPE II certification you must have independent labs (ovrtr 680) review your source code. I can go on and on about standards but as the commenter said, it is about Pegasys.

[@FrostSapphire-bm2tt]

Translation, NSA can't freely access their costumers data.

[@simplemotions-2196]

and we are back in cold war times

[@UmVtCg]

Livin under a rock ehy

[@frankenmizer828]

friend, the cold war never stopped

[@omegand.]

Cold? There's literally a war going on right now...

[@BhumiPiltz]

Cold War never ended buddy. Collapse of the USSR only paused the bad feelings between the USA and Russia.

[@BhumiPiltz]

@@koreyb Get real. Capitalism is thriving fine and well in the USA

[@jayjwin1178]

It is simple, everything Kaspersky is being accused of, are normal operations of the accuser.

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

Not quite. The 'accuser' is not, presently, run by a man that murders his national opposition. Eugene Kaspersky could be murdered if he does not do what Putin wants. That is not speculation it is a fact. Putin murders Russians that annoy him.

[@FreeAmericaFromIsrael]

"They" love to accuse others of what they are guilty of. This happened many, many times in history.

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

@@FreeAmericaFromIsrael Russia is run by a murderer and tyrant. So are many Islamic nations. Perhaps that is why you making that claim.

[@Zemlja_je_ravna]

They use china to spy and they just buy info from them.

[@DerekduToit]

Used it for 14 years - found the product excellent.

[@BigDog-f2f]

Same here.

[@HameedUnfiltered]

Alright Putin.

[@spookyskellyskeleton609]

​@@HameedUnfiltered are you autistic?

[@Telemachus.]

@@HameedUnfiltered🤡

[@HotspurSkill]

No doubt product it's good.. but you won't have 100% privacy on it... Kaspersky is linked with Russian Mafia.. never trust Russians

[@I_BB]

I've used Kaspersky for decades and It has always served me flawlessly. If the organized criminal enterprise (the US government) tells me not to use it, I'm going to keep using it.

[@knox5380]

Just gives you another reason to keep using it.

[@me-fv5xb]

The most dangerous words from government is " I'm from the government and we're here to help

[@neglafar973]

I've been using Kaspersky since the mid late 90s never a problem

[@Pakistani890]

@@me-fv5xb so sad tho i mean gov. are supposed to help people but here the US gov is becoming a criminal enterprise....

[@jackcatman8932]

@@Pakistani890Every government. Not just the US one.

[@Negiku]

If the US doesn't like a particular security software, it makes me more inclined towards actually start using it rather than uninstalling it.

[@Brave_Lion]

You will be the target of surveillance and potential blackmail if you use Russian apps. Because that's what they practice.

[@Negiku]

@@Brave_Lion Russia is not known to be spying on the general public unlike a certain organisation

[@Rubycon99]

@@Brave_Lion Lol

[@eye_close]

​@@Brave_Lionlmao, nafo bots glow so hard😂 I wonder what kind of data pegasus has on you

[@Brave_Lion]

@@eye_close The American authorities are the authorities. The Russian authorities are a mafia without moral principles who want to organize a bloody revolution all over the world (you can see what this looks like in Ukraine). This is the reason why you should not use Russian apps. Russians are looking all over the world for terrorists and radicals in order to force them to commit murders and sabotage through bribery, propaganda or blackmail.

[@jefa3524]

Man. Freedom is changing its definition pretty quick.

[@kuroenekodemon]

It’s almost scary how fast the US is turning incredibly nationalistic and xenophobic of anything that isn’t American

[@SkSafowan]

You guys never had one to begin with

[@Budicles]

US govt will tell u what to think and how to think.

[@arwlyx]

@@SkSafowan "Your ship is sinking too, just not as fast!!!" Wow, sick burn dude. You really got em with that one

[@horasefu1438]

nope, but it's sad to see people buying into, even passively, the exact thing political entities are trying to do - change language to change the way you think. the fact that freedom is being visibly eroded (not like it wasn't previously but nobody paid attention) absolutely does not mean its definition changing.. no sequitor - absolute nonsense.

[@eddys.3524]

I think X and Meta pose greater risks than Kapersky...

[@derek8564]

why....

[@eddys.3524]

@@derek8564 do you know what kind of people Musk and Zuckerberg are?? If you know, you wouldn't trust anything they touch.

[@frankenmizer828]

and you'd be wrong

[@mr.mastermind4840]

There's no doubt about that

[@eddys.3524]

@@frankenmizer828 NO.

[@lesath7883]

All of the excuses to ban Kaspersky applies to Windows, Android, Google cloud services, Amazon Web Services, Microsoft Office Suite, each and every american antivirus, Apple Creative Cloud, each and every company that offers cloud storage, backups and sync...... But yeah. Kaspersky is the problem.

[@y0._.]

XD

[@PinnuskaTV]

America being America, stupid people stupid rules

[@gelbphoenix]

Not to defend but as a point: Only difference is because of the first point the US DoC makes. Alphabet (Google), Amazon, Microsoft, Apple are all based in the US and must follow US law.

[@lesath7883]

@@gelbphoenix As someone who does not live in the US, me being spied by us, european, chinese or russian companies is all the same. All foreign companies collecting too much information they don't need.

[@gelbphoenix]

@@lesath7883 Then you should look into the privacy community.

[@LinuxMaster9]

russian intelligence access my data is no better or worse than what the NSA already does to all my data in stationary or transit 24/7.

[@benismann]

Im not sure, but I would be more concerned about my country getting my data more than any other one coz they kinda can do more with that than say, idk, france

[@mail-qh2qc]

I’d rather be spied on by Russians within the United States than by the United States within the States

[@moetocafe]

Through the years Kaspersky have always been among the top quality AVs. If they ever decide to do something rogue - it will be their last, because a reputation of a security company can be ruined with just 1 such move, and it will get known, you can't hide it forever, if you do something malicious - it will be uncovered. The craziest part of the accusations to me is, that they say Kaspersky may eventually hold back updates to allow for malware - which they never did - but the US NSA with Microsoft and other vendors actually did that on multiple occasions. It is up to you at the end whom do you trust - the competent Biden administration or your common senses :)

[@ahmeduchiha8758]

Avast already got hacked and sells users' data without any consequences 😂

[@gamerdudegamerdude4961]

it even has prebuilt coin miner that stealthily uses your cpu to mine in the background. 👍

[@farhanrejwan]

consent, not consciousness 😂

[@novianindy887]

really? I dont find it in any news

[@Chocobollz]

​@@farhanrejwanIt isn't conscious, yet. Just wait until they put AI on it 😏😁

[@SMGJohn]

@@gamerdudegamerdude4961 REALLY?

[@SeanBotha]

Ban Kaspersky keep Microsoft no penalty for screenshoting users every 2 seconds and sending it to their server's

[@JohnDoe-uw9nq]

Source?

[@EpicBunty]

Where you heard this one ?

[@Treeman3]

@@EpicBunty windows recall feature

[@richardmillhousenixon]

​@@Treeman3It doesn't send it back to servers. It's a privacy problem, but only if someone gains access to your machine.

[@Whatrecoil]

source? or its bullshit ....

[@mx338]

Glad I live in Germany with this one, Kaspersky seems reliable and competent, from all that I have heard from them so far.

[@marcelnar3867]

Bis unsere Politik meinen mit zuziehen mit dem ban, wie sie es ja auch schon bei tiktok erwähnt haben

[@kaminekoch.7465]

All major German private and government-owned companies banned Kaspersky by themselves when the war started. You are of course free to install spyware by yourself.

[@caylarabdk8389]

been using kaspersky since 2016. i don't notice any impact in performance and i have not once been infected, and i use the computer 12 hours a day on average

[@sebimmbasti]

Ja - und als Deutscher weißt du ja auch, dass die Empfehlungen des BSIs in der Mülltonne entsorgen kannst, weil schon mehrfach belegt wurde, dass das vor allem politisch getriebene "Empfehlungen" sind, keine technischen (auch wenn sie als solche verkauft werden). Yes - and as a German you also know that you can throw the BSI's recommendations in the trash, because it has been proven several times that they are primarily politically driven "recommendations", not technical ones (even if they are sold as such).

[@blaaxz]

@@sebimmbasti Genau. Konkrete Beweise gibt es nicht!

[@Xmetalfanx]

I do admit I use Linux and not windows anymore but to me ... Kaspersky and maybe Bit Defender are the only two AV scanners WORTH using

[@A1stardan]

Kaspersky isn't available on Linux right?

[@namansharma6561]

@@A1stardan Linux don't require av's in most cases

[@adairjanney7109]

This is geopolitical

[@BhumiPiltz]

It's the Kremlin's fault for infesting every company in Russia

[@chri-k]

this stone also kills a second bird: Kaspersky recently figured out how to remove Pegasus ( malware the NSA uses ), and they obviously don't want people to be able to use that ability.

[@farhanrejwan]

indeed. but they can't say it on this channel.

[@NyronGT]

@@farhanrejwan Can't? Or don't want to?

[@GainingDespair]

I really love Kaspersky, trust them a lot more than the bureaucracy

[@GTV8593]

i have doubts that you understand the meaning of the word "bureaucracy"

[@GainingDespair]

@@GTV8593 Nice opinion, irrelevant, but nice none the less.

[@Maya-ls3ky]

Trusting Russian software is plain retarded

[@mr.sunshine1444]

@@GainingDespair lmfao

[@Knards]

This pisses me off no end. Just my opinion, but Kaspersky is by far the best antivirus

[@Dizycuh]

Same here, I’ve been using it for almost 3 years now and just renewed my subscription 2 days ago. I guess we’ll be forced to move to a close second such as Bitdefender

[@BhumiPiltz]

Kaspersky is overrated.

[@Knards]

@@BhumiPiltz Nyet. Top of the line

[@vladimirdorta6692]

Same here. I've used it for years, and it has saved me a couple of times.

[@Dizycuh]

@@BhumiPiltz kaspersky is overrated my ass

[@TheNikita945]

This entire ban is based purely on geopolitics. Kaspersky Lab offered to have their product code analyzed by an independent third party, but the U.S. ignored this, just as it ignored all other factors that point to the company's transparency (such as the Global Transparency Initiative, under which the company set up special transparency centers and moved data processing to Switzerland). Surprisingly, there are some people who seriously consider this ban to be a strong argument in favor of not using Kaspersky antivirus.

[@m-copyright]

I would still trust Kaspersky more than any other av program from America.

[@wildbill4496]

You might as well buy the protection software from the same country producing the most viruses, malware, etc. that makes you need something like Kaspersky. Create the problem then supply the solution. That's Russia.

[@TomokoAbe_]

Yeah--both Norton and McAfee are garbage.

[@legend9181]

imagine trusting russians

[@metallurgico]

Is Windows a spyware? YES!

[@sachinvinodlk]

Meta, Google and other US companies too.. 😄

[@RADukura]

Kaspersky just gained a customer 💯📈

[@Zero-sm8oi]

Same.

[@privacyhelp]

Btw, John mcafee did not kill himself.

[@xlerb2286]

I think it's way more about politics and economic pressure than anything that's truly a security concern. We're flooded with projects from other countries that aren't the friendliest towards us and nobody seem to care one little bit. But this one product is being used to score political points for somebody.

[@riddhirahman]

I have Kaspersky plus for nearly one year its the best antivirus no bloat no popups the perfect antivirus

[@TruthSeeker0413]

Jesus you could argue Microsoft could do the same thing through an update. Not sure I believe this but I understand the logic.

[@gzcwnk]

and hence dont trust Microsoft, install Linux

[@SIGNABLE7]

@@gzcwnk fr

[@SIGNABLE7]

Well obviously but it's the USA that's banning these, they want the control of being able to hold foreign companies, for example, with the tiktok ban that's soon to come, if the tiktok company relocates to a USA based company then the USA has the ability to use a court issued warrant to easily gain access to all it's data on the users. Also I do believe that this will slowly crawl so that they ban foreign VPN's unless they're USA based in order to do the same thing and spy on the users.

[@pride4577]

@@gzcwnk With linux, this can be done just as easily lol. Many developers are located in America. Many programs are created in America. What prevents the NSA from embedding a backdoor into the program so that it will be almost impossible to detect? Linux has found vulnerabilities that have not been fixed for 10 years. There is also a recent case of a vulnerability that was found literally by accident.... And if my memory serves me correctly, it was discovered by a Microsoft employee, not a vaunted community....

[@unconnectedbedna]

Logic? USA want to control everyone is the logic. The reason is exactly the same as to why USA did not ban ticktok but rather want a us company to acquire it. Only USA has the "right" to spy and wreck havoc on and from the internet. You know, like having a backdoor to every single win10 home for a few years, or trying to make a nuclear facility in a foreign country go booom...

[@castercs]

As someone who lives outside of US and Russia I'm amazed they didn't banned Kaspersky earlier... ofc speaking from geopolitical tension point of view.

[@bomlife1572]

wanna question something else? Why did the US spent trillion of dollars for Cold War against SU, yet still was buying their rocket engines until recently

[@drsatyamupadhyay]

​@@Rubicola174 Read that again

[@jiffonbuffo]

Because Kaspersky discovered Pegasus, a spyware for IOS and Android. Some powerful country somewhere didn't like that.

[@WolfRites]

@@jiffonbuffo Not entirely true. Citizen Lab (and Lookout) discovered Pegasus on iOS.. Kaspersky researchers then found out it worked on Android as well, through a different mode of attack.

[@adam7802]

@@Rubicola174 the relevance is Russia good USA bad comrade!

[@johnsmith1953x]

*Im in the USA, I'll still be using Kaspersky via VPN* NOBODY tells me what I can or cannot use!!!

[@BhumiPiltz]

Good for you man, there's equally good and better software but keep on keeping on.

[@ChrisM541]

Well...good on you, comrade ;)

[@johnsmith1953x]

@@ChrisM541 I'm a republican capitalist silly!!

[@repairman2be250]

@@BhumiPiltz Which one is the better software?

[@JorgeLopez-qj8pu]

Army, Marines, Airforce, Black ops, CIA, FBI, etc.: “Challenge Accepted” IRS: “and where our tax money”

[@TomokoAbe_]

I like Kaspersky. It's powerful, and blocks ALL malware. I never had a problem with it. In fact the free version has blocked all malware--it's great.

[@ThePaddlefoot]

Since SCOTUS struck down the Chevron Deference yesterday, I wonder if the Dept of Commerce has the authority to enforce this Kaspersky ban.

[@frankenmizer828]

They do. So does the DoJ.

[@hotmixer2010]

Universal Exploitable Firmware Interface and Microsoft are the weakest links in cybersecurity

[@GaryBeltz]

I'll just keep my VPN tuned to a country other than the US when I need to update the product

[@JorgeLopez-qj8pu]

IRS: “See, I told the general the fines write themselves. 😊”

[@MunzirMunawar]

I have the download file set up for the Antivirus saves. I also reset the trial using the Registry editor method. and I'm automatically updated. i can give you the setup file if you dont want to use your vpn every single time because let me tell you KASPERSKY updates every single day or something because they are always up to date.

[@xXstevilleXx]

Kaspersky has achieved the SOC 2 Type 2 report in accordance with the SSAE 18 standard (Security criteria) issued by an independent third-party auditor. MITRE ATT&CK evaluation confirms the quality of Kaspersky’s solution. Kaspersky products participated in 927 independent tests and reviews... Man, just go to SE Labs and get get the data. The Bureau of Industry and Security are doing this for one reason, do some research and see what Kaspersky may have discovered so instead those who know will know. Suppose the US will get all on Trend or something, since the division dealing with the US is based in Switzerland... any how I am sure the FSB will respond, since it the US maintains the usual "Threat to national security" etc. approach but it is basically just another sanction of sorts. Based on nothing but allegations. which is why I said this is to be expected, not the first time the US tried this neither (go back to 2017). Regardless, like I said, if the US banned TT and now now Kaspersky wanna take a wild guess what is next... want to consider why the EU did not ban Kaspersky? yeah there is much more to this but do you own research

[@mail-qh2qc]

Is there a video or some sources that explain this further?

[@Apemania69]

now i just downloaded kaspersky out of despite. everything the USA bans is something that is good for everyone but the NSA xD swiss here

[@BhumiPiltz]

Lmao Kaspersky is overrated. Compromised and overrated.

[@Windows11Official]

Well, not TikTok tho lol

[@repairman2be250]

@@BhumiPiltz Your username sounds like scammer!

[@mail-qh2qc]

@@BhumiPiltz yet you provided no equal or better alternative

[@googacct]

I wonder if going after Kapersky is a test case to set precedent before enforcing the TikTok ban.

[@Paynecars]

man do I love people being so damn sure that Kaspersky is spyware, purely relying on the fact that it is a Russian software lmao

[@juanin200]

Just like Vanguard, because it is Chinese it must mean the Chinese government wants all of our data, something the US could *never*

[@andreasplosky8516]

Yeah, it is stupid, but I can understand that European and American institutions and corporations won't take the risk.

[@berendberend702]

You didn't watch the video did you

[@BhumiPiltz]

Imagine being this ignorant and proud

[@benismann]

@@andreasplosky8516 which is why it was understandable when they banned it in government. But in the whole country?

[@aarcanj0]

Also, its funny to see people in panic like "OH IM BEEN HACKED BY RUSSIA I WANT MY PRIVACY BACK", but they keep using Windows lmao

[@Master120]

They see no issue using USA spyware.

[@ManofHalal]

When people say privacy is crucial and spyware is bad when technically anything that is connected to the internet can be spied on no matter what kind of products they use lol.

[@DAN007thefoxx1]

I only still use Windows because Linux doesn't have great support for PC games.

[@Master120]

@@DAN007thefoxx1 well, some you're better without, like the ones you have to use a kernel level anti-cheat.

[@DAN007thefoxx1]

@@ManofHalal The problem is with laws requiring back doors in the first place.

[@raikyoto2778]

Same with China and TP-Link but the customer loves cheap networking devices. Huawei was the same with more backbone networking devices.

[@nabieladrian]

"Whatever government tells you, do the opposite."

[@user-tl4fi6oy8d]

Puerile. There are no simple rules and everything must be judged case by case. There are 10,000 things that the government and its agents do every day that allow you live your life in a comfortable enough state so that you can watch your anime and post on the internet.

[@BhumiPiltz]

This type of logic sounds good until you actually start abiding by it. Gov' says I shouldn't eat nuclear waste so should I do it anyway?

[@Windows11Official]

​@@BhumiPiltzBro just shut up and stop licking government's boots

[@getl0st]

Especially when they want you to inject untested gene therapy into your body 🤮

[@minecraftparkourredditstories]

Brainlet take

[@darkrajin3648]

I'm personally using Kaspersky. Never had any problems. Sadly being part of the modern world. No matter what security software you use. There is a level of trust when giving software access to your hardware. It's just one of those things I guess. Mind you this ban doesn't affect me since I'm in the land of Downunder.

[@MoreEvilThanYahweh]

Indeed, you have more to fear from your land's and their allies intelligence services than far-off Russia. The former actually have the power to use info and access against you legally.

[@rps215]

I think ultimately depends on what is the purpose of the device it is installed in. If you are working with for example the US government and handling some very important secrets that Russian Intelligence might want, then it might not be a good idea to use Kaspersky. On the other hand, if you are an everyday person who have nothing in particular that is of interest to Russian or even Chinese intelligence and instead have a greater risk of some corpos sneaking in Pegasus and the like to steal your personal data for God-knows-what purposes, then it is safer to use Kaspersky than say Norton or Mcafee.

[@MoreEvilThanYahweh]

@@rps215 Sure, but government machines/users were already banned from using Kaspersky (by rule, if not law) for years now. This is more of a punishment or tit for tat by the US than anything related remotely close to protecting its citizens as claimed.

[@Treeman3]

where women glow and men plunder can you hear the thunder you better better run you better take cover

[@BblastedD]

Lol, there is another country who's software is embedded into US Gov't systems. Moss(t) Odd.

[@bomlife1572]

they wont do anything against their "greatest ally" and Overlord

[@EpicBunty]

What's that?

[@dans.o.s.d.s6971]

He means that the yzraeli intelligence agency (aka the mo ssad), may have some privileged access to public/sensitive data, due to the infiltration of their High Tech companies/startups working under the banner of Big Tech... basically all the info is infiltrated indirectly to the Yzraeli government... The issue with that, is that the NSA knows it... Horrifying!

[@dans.o.s.d.s6971]

probably this data is used primarily for 2 objectives : 1/ Use it for commercial purposes, basically profiting with barely any expenses. as well as, having a good understanding of US consumers which provide a high competitiveness advantage. 2) Politics, manipulating the public in a way that suits their agenda. The US is their golden Easter, unfortunately we pay for their development, whereas many schools are extremely underfunded...

[@soheilsheikh]

Can you tell some more about this embed software?

[@almendraman]

Kaspersky has saved my ass multiple times, it's hard to consider an alternative. I am not based in the US, but I do visit. What considerations will I have to make? Forced to uninstall when traveling? What about the VPN or Password Manager?

[@musicalboy9122]

Top 2 options are bitdefender and Kaspersky but Kaspersky is over all better

[@Dionysor]

you won't need anything if you perk up your prevention: watch what you download, ublock origin with all lists enabled, adblock and malblock DNS in your router

[@xponen]

@@Dionysor one also need services that block or notify scam sites. The reason is self-control/prevention might not work if the social engineering is too good. Kaspersky have that services.

[@Dionysor]

@@xponen ublock origin has such lists:)

[@BhumiPiltz]

Being a competent internet user is the best security.

[@draiccun]

I like your pronunciation of "The Gremlin". From now on I'll use that in my friend group.

[@what_the_actual_hay]

same lmao

[@bradleybrewer9576]

@@what_the_actual_hay It works too calling them Kremlins some even say their worse then Gremlins

[@AtticusDenzil]

This law is advertising Kaspersky because it takes care of Pegasus.

[@zerukz]

Theyre mad that kaspersky removed their backdoors 😂

I've been kaspersky technician for about 10 years and I only have to say is kaspersky is top notch.

[@bigboy44110]

I still think the Pegasus stuff is the real reason why Kaspersky is getting banned.

[@Darkregen9545]

After looking at Packets from Kaspersky their Kaspersky data center lab is stationed in Canada fron seeing it in wireshark.

[@nelsone.hernandez6654]

I think they also have servers in Mexico as well

[@zeitlichkeit5094]

I love Kaspersky. It’s the best security out there, period. I have used it since 2008. No way. I can’t believe this.

[@grast5150]

The Department of Commerce no longer has the authority to adhoc just ban a product. They can set recommendations and control government procurement. They no longer have Chevron Difference as a legal argument. Now hoping for a good judge to review the appropriate laws and if no law says Department of Commerce has the power to ban a product or service, This ruling goes away. Too bad it will take longer than 100 days to get through the court system.

[@vladimirdorta6692]

This is true and I'm sure Kaspersky will take action based on the ruling. It's too big a market to just accept the ban.

[@Noah-qr7sb]

​@@vladimirdorta6692didn't age well

[@PCLinke]

You can still use Kaspersky Free global version. The ban is only prohibiting Kaspersky from OFFER aka selling its products

[@farhanrejwan]

the free version is not as secure as the paid version for obvious reasons. while most users could go for what you suggested, not everyone's daily needs can be met with that.

[@nelsone.hernandez6654]

If the ban is not lifted, Kaspersky may be forced to comply on its side by blocking connections from the US, so any Kaspersky software won’t work. You would have to use a VPN to make it work

[@nelsone.hernandez6654]

@@farhanrejwanThe free version is very good with fewer features as the paid options. I remember installing it on a PC that turned out was infected, and after scanning and rebooting as required by Kaspersky, I rescanned and it was clean and safe to use

[@repairman2be250]

Just buy a license from outside the USA.

[@farhanrejwan]

@@repairman2be250 sneak 100 😂

[@TheChillee]

I’ve dreaded this day for years. I tried most all AV made outside USA as our American products are plainly crap (Norton, M?Afee, TotalAV- which seems like a scam to me)… so that means, Sophos, HitMan Pro (which is Sophos now), Panda, Avira )even though it’s owned by Norton or whatever the new name is these days), ESET, BitDefender, TrendMicro…. Unfortunately, there is no one products that stands head & shoulders above the rest. RIP Midori, til we meet again.

[@DallasIsRokkoS]

Midori?

[@TheChillee]

@@DallasIsRokkoSMidori Kuma is the name of the green bear Kaspersky uses in their ads 😂

[@kronos444]

@@TheChillee which is literally "green bear" in Japanese

[@cesar_onada]

ESET is Slovak. Bitdefender is Romanian. Both antivirus products are among the best on the market and are part of the European Union. So are G Data (Germany) and F-Secure (Finland). The US may do the same thing it fears from Russia with Kaspersky: abuse companies and customers that use anti-malware solutions from US companies. McAfee, Nortonlifelock (including Norton, Avira, Avast/AVG and Bullguard), Fortinet, Malwarebytes, Panda, VIPRE, Total Defense, eScan. They're all owned by US companies now.

[@bigdreams5554]

The solution is no AV at all :)

[@Windows11Official]

Norton and McAfee: *forcing people to buy their programs with their scareware* NSA: i sleep Kaspersky: *Found out the solutions for Pegasus spyware* NSA: real s**t

[@michele23156]

Kaspersky is the best

[@BhumiPiltz]

lmaoo

[@LPvsHH]

I agree, but after all of those "slow downs" of KZbin, and blocks in Russia, and because I avoid it and usually use VPN (as well as a big percentage of other Russians), I will choose BitDefender just in case.

[@__-fl5rn]

It's more about financial sanctions.

[@ethimself5064]

I gave it up 6 years ago for Bitdefender. Putin is literally a one man Dictator hence he can do anything he wants as Kaspersky is literally A Russian com[any with is HQ in Moscow

[@flamestrider605]

Hey, as a user of kaspersky I dont know whether or not to trust the new software being shoved down my throat, UltraAV, which it was replaced with automatically. For the sake of all the kaspersky users in the US I think it'd be great if you ran some testing on this new extremely random extremely unknown antivirus

[@madero-jb5ri]

I just got the new random software update yesterday and am curious to know how good this new anti-virus software is.

[@Oir43Ori35]

MKUltra

[@agogo8861]

i remember when USA started crying ' national security' against china a few yrs ago. keyword is CRYING, usa cries in attempts to destroy the businesses of another country.

[@Lapsed_Skeptic]

I love the information based presentation style of this channel, another great to the point video!..with the added bonus that IT Security comment sections might be the best on the internet. This community is right up there with ‘craftsman’ with being full of $hit. Geopolitical experts abound, corporate experts…but my favorite is the trashing of companies attempted security measures like it’s not their very community creating, pitching and implementing these $hitty measures…the evil ‘corporate officer’ has no clue about any of this $hit…if there are vulnerabilities all over the place with the services we use these days there should be a lot of looking in the mirror but that never seems to be the case with any of these channels I visit.

[@Playingwith3D]

hardware and software choices boil down to who do you feel comfortable being spied on by. Its been that way for quite a while.

[@ATestamentToTech]

I'm in the UK too, I will be staying with Kaspersky as they are a fantastic company with a amazing product

[@chuckb4375]

Would somebody please explain how this represents more of a threat than something like a laptop that's made in China? I'd think that ingredients such BIOS, various embedded controllers, management engines, etc. could an issue as well...

[@lainamitclaire]

Why would those be a threat? You're required to explain how all of those devices work before they can be sold in the US. The NSA even mandates complete access to every part of them and anything they're capable of.

[@juanin200]

@@lainamitclaire That makes their decision on Kaspersky even more questionable, the NSA can verify what every pc component made in China can and can't do, but they can't prove Kaspersky is or could be used as malware, and base their ban purely on speculation? Just like Leo said, if they want to protect against foreign, enemy countries using technology as a leverage against the US, they'd have to ban *all* kinds of software made by Russia, not just one particular antivirus

[@lainamitclaire]

@@juanin200 I'm not saying it makes sense, I'm saying "If you ban Kaspersky why not ban all silicon from China" makes even LESS sense.

[@hotmixer2010]

You mean Lenovo

[@rainzerdesu]

What BIOS chip and firmware are you using that is Chinese? You probably have an American (ie American Megatrends) or Taiwanese (Insyde) bios chip and firmware. You're also more likely to have US semiconductors (since they make up like 50% of the global market) than China's.

[@grast5150]

Here is the scope, with the elimination of Chevron Difference, Unless the law under which Département of Commerce is saying they have the power to block sale of product or service in the US for this specific reason. This order will be struct down as Commerce Department no longer has the power create law. Congress would need to specific pass a law banning Kasperky. The Era of random federal departments creating law is OVER.

[@ElvenMans]

So this confirms that Kaspersky is the best AV you can buy.

[@Badhabit99Gaming]

Thanks

[@AndreGreeff]

this really sucks, even for those of us who are not in the US... I'm pretty sure this will cause Kaspersky to lose out on income as a business, which will directly affect their ability to improve their systems and adapt to the ever changing world of cyber security threats. I've been using Kaspersky AV for a few years now and honestly it is brilliant, it does a better job of catching and preventing malicious apps than anything else that I have tested myself, and when it's not doing anything it stays out of my way entirely... no annoying popups and notifications, really low system resource requirements, just all-round good solid software. what's the bet that after the BIS has robbed Kaspersky of the income required to keep up with cyber threats, and then their systems do actually let something nasty through, someone in the US will jump around all giddy with "look! look! told you so!", even though they literally caused it to happen. insanity and paranoia know no bounds...

[@Wahinies]

I was waiting for your take with abated breath. Ive got to watch this later when less noise but thank you in advance

[@andreasplosky8516]

Nobody can force me to not use apps I want to use.

[@ballsack7692]

Exactly. Information wants to be free, so let it stay free.

[@frankenmizer828]

Heh. Sure - go ahead and think that. Watch as near-future Microsoft Patch Tuesdays rip it right out of your system.

[@davel4030]

They can force you to not be able to update without going through a bunch of hoops

[@ytaccount3434]

Windows? Linux all the way then baby​@@frankenmizer828

[@Kimarnic]

@@frankenmizer828 go back to Linux

[@Devilz1089]

Kaspersky is among the best AVs you find on the market , it just because it detected eternal blue that the american gov was making to attack people , so america went sad and banned it , but actually it did very good job

[@InsideVK]

Attributing faults and penalties to Kaspersky just for being Russian, but when the USA finances Wars, generates wars, etc. no one sanctions it, hopefully this will lead to more effort being put into Linux.

[@animeaddictcocc]

I have trust issues, but I trust Kaspersky more than U.S Government.

[@Franciscolney]

kaspersky antivirus is my favourite malwares detection software...

[@sealifett8395]

This will make me install it more.I have used it before.Its the best out there!

[@dave24-73]

What’s stopping them, creating a U.S. version, under a subsidiary, new name, same engine different skin, compiled in the U.S.

[@frankenmizer828]

The SEC.

[@dave24-73]

@@frankenmizer828 might want to expand on that, it would be a totally different company formed and based in US.

[@wolfe1978nm]

@@dave24-73 Likely something to it. Xiaomi has US operations but their phones are still banned here. They are so big they could easily do what you mentioned. Which really makes no sense as iPhones were made in China for decades.

[@anujmchitale]

​@@dave24-73Totally different company that would be legally bound to allow NSA backdoors in its software, just like other American software. Why would an honest and capable Anti Virus company want that? The same one who exposed the NSA backdoors and even showed some level of detection of the Pegasus spyware?

[@JeffEsposito]

Thanks for this good overview & personal thoughts Leo.

[@Jerry_S.]

So what if I DON'T switch too other software? Are government agents just going to come knocking on my door? I don't think so...

[@repairman2be250]

You might be just raided by heavily armed swat teams.

[@Blubking1]

arrested for being a russian spy /s

[@calukimbo9994]

Kasperski will no longer update or operate on your system ... they will transfer your sub to Ultra AV

[@minoubrc4773]

I used Wireshark the other day with Maxmind to map the IP address to its country. Some of the captured packets were from Kaspersky because I was updating the AVs database, and surprisingly, Maxmind indicated that the IP address was Russian, although it was a Swiss IP address.

[@everythingpony]

So what about any video game? Any audio file any? There's a lot of things that are closed source that you don't have the source to

[@villicana4731]

Kaspersky has already announced that Kaspersky can no longer be used. Do you have any better suggestions as an alternative to Kaspersky Premium?

[@josiahsuarez]

Yeah Russian stuff in general is blacklisted by the US now. It's politics, which is foolish but at the same time I don't really care ._.

[@sebclot9478]

You could probably still purchase it outside of the US and use it here. It wasn't even being sold in the US when I first started using it.

[@GeneralProfessor]

In some ways the Cold War never ended.

[@Tetelestai-cw8qy]

Been using Kaspersky for over a decade, they're the best. F J B

[@sceneflexin8701]

Will a VPN allow updates to the app? Someone let me know. I plan on using this past the ban.

[@sylphmoon9657]

I'd like to know what work arounds could we use.

[@benismann]

Considering it updates what feels like every day - that will be problematic

[@MrBikboi]

Kaspersky is based as hell, this is some SUS glowing behavior. Thanks FEDs, always looking out for our best interests

[@tarrowdriver]

What alternatives to Kaspersky would you recommend?

[@game98745]

Bit defender

[@mcericx]

M$ recall is no problem

[@_fremdkoerper]

of course not, recall even stores the data in plaintext so that your good old friend Pegasus (US Spyware) can simply access it without decryption :) Sadly Kaspersky figured out how to detect and counter Pegasus and now theyre banned in the US. Happy little coincedences

[@i_cri_evertim]

@@_fremdkoerper But NSA can't stop me for downloading Kasperky from a proxy and VPN

[@ageofemini9798]

Watching this after the Crowdsrike Microsoft debacle and having a chuckle

[@tombreeze6148]

OOh! the bad old Ruskies, better trust America eh

[@eye776]

For home and small business the only real option is Bitdefender. The UX is less nice than Kaspersky but the protection is about the same.

[@ZinoviyaUlyanov]

No one is allowed to "spy" Americans, but the American government themselves =P

[@sebimmbasti]

The USA takes the liberty of investigating everyone in the world - including its own population. But as soon as anyone objects, the USA gets angry and, since most countries are so deeply in the USA's back pocket, no one really objects.