USA vs CHINA: Who Has The Deadliest NUCLEAR Submarine?

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[@SubBrief]

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[@nfuryboss]

Q: Can submarine-launch Tomahawks carry a nuclear warhead? If so, this would amplify the US nuclear deterrent beyond current Ohio class boomers.

[@terryakuna66]

I wish I could ask a few questions about some basic equipment inside U.S. subs ....I'm building one out of Lego with full interior. Minifig scale. approx 14" inch beam x 15' feet long.

[@dmcarpenter2470]

A man, who is 'worried' about losing his hair, needs to thank some higher power, because he has damned little to worry about.

[@ColonelEviscerator]

So you see the TASM cresting the horizon. You acquire him and he just acquires you right back. And that's when the attack comes-- not from the front, but from the side, from the other two TASMs you didn't even know were there. Because TASM is a pack hunter, you see; he uses coordinated attack patterns, and he is out in force today.- Admiral Alan Grant, probably.

[@RectalRooter]

Sub Brief again giving our naval secrets away on youtube. Pasting a pic of the submarine tail number on screen and how Keeps gives our sub's super sound silencing.

[@BooMaster97]

You can tell how much he liked his job in the Navy with how excited he gets when starting to talk about the Virginia

[@davidh7246]

But he ain’t gonna kiss n tell. Such a gentleman.

[@ltkreg]

I was thinking the same thing. He sounded like a little boy in the worlds biggest toy store. 😊

[@FangornAthran]

I was a Reactor Operator on a Virginia Class before I got out, and I can confirm it is a beautiful engine room and boy is it quiet!

[@averagejoe112]

It's a gorgeous class of boats. USS Hawaii plankowner!

[@darkstar7999]

it is unfortunate that most of us will never get to have the experience of seeing it. None of these vessels will ever become a museum ship.

[@Fleshox19-uz3qt]

I'm a bona fide civilian land lubber and the idea of an engine room powering such a huge vessel being "silent" just bogles my mind.

[@moolilyfarm]

God Bess America! ... we will always have the best subs in the world!... also as an ex-RO from the 70’s -80’s on the USS Batfish SSN-681...we were light years ahead of the Soviets!... the things we did!. Would love to go on a new sub! Thanks for serving the in the silent service! We are a rear bunch! Lol

[@yang5159]

exaggerated

[@jamesoswald1732]

This was a hilarious video. It's like "This submarine can go screaming fast. It's like underwater lighting. We can leave everything in the dust. The top speed is.... "Faster than 25 knots because that's what Wikipedia says and I can't say more.""

[@tmack2506]

As a retired engineer from the aerospace and defense industry, I appreciate your channel.

[@aikimechanic]

Aaron, I've been watching Sub Brief for a hot minute and I've never seen you get as excited about ANYTHING like you were when talking about the Virginias. Like a little school boy. LOL.

[@captainamerica3814]

The best part of this presentation is how excited Aaron gets about a killer torpedo. 😂

[@bigsarge2085]

"Take your shoes off and give thanks." What a fantastic description!

[@leojohn1615]

the Adeptus Mechanicus approves of this message.

[@bigsarge2085]

@@leojohn1615 FOR THE EMPRAH

[@geekone6621]

I was also on a 688 class submarine as the reactor operator. My son is currently a JO on a submarine. The LA Class was very quiet, especially with some additions in the early 1980s. All I would say is that we should increase the production to three per year for the next ten years… Just as a note, while we have ordered 35+ VA Class, we only have a little over 20 active.

[@michaelkendall662]

supposed to build 8 for OZ until they get their native subs built with UK and our help

[@user-vo4sk9vg8h]

Australia here, hell yeah we want in!

[@andrewromero5008]

Does the rest of Australia feel the way you do about AUKUS? The world seems to have a Love/Hate relationship with the USA.

[@user-vo4sk9vg8h]

The silent majority of Australian's are pragmatic realists, it's better to have a security partner of choice than security partner of coercion. @@andrewromero5008

[@elmohead]

Definitely no. 8 subs at $350b over the next few decades is a major rip-off, when USN can build one for $5.5b. This is not a defense pact, this is USA milking Australia, that's all.

[@michaelkendall662]

@@elmohead that price is also for their own shipbuilding to build their OWN nuclear subs IN OZ.......I think a further 8 to be built starting in 2035....THAT was the original deal with France that got canceled that pissed them off although those were to be conventional powered

[@nekomakhea9440]

Aaron enters the Virginia's Engine Room: *Adeptus Mechanicus Noosphere theme begins*

[@bholdr----0]

Nice.

[@ProtoGen-2K]

lmao

[@Peachesryt]

😂

[@dereksherwood3794]

Aaron: The engine room is a world wonder! Me: Warp Core confirmed.

[@jamesrizza2640]

Loved your commentary. This is the most animated I have seen you in a long time. I could sense there is a lot more to our sub than you can say, which gives me some comfort when I see what Korea, China and Russia are doing lately. Give us more of these, great stuff.

[@offensivebias1898]

I think you have found a really good format here Aaron. Keep pumping more like it out!

[@sempermilites87]

One thing I noticed on the Chinese boats is that their bow section is being shared by both the torpedo tubes and the sonar dome. Doesn't this make their sonar capability less than the American boats where their torpedo tubes are set a bit further back so the entire bow is saved for the sonar?

[@HauntedXXXPancake]

That's at least how it used to be. With cutting-edge sonars (as i understand it), you're no longer constrained by specific array shapes. Essentially, as long as your Computer knows where a sensor is and in what direction it's pointing, it can combine it with the data from its brothers to form a picture. Thus you can "just" plaster the inside of your bow with them. However, you still can't have a sensor and a torpedotube in the same place, so some loss of potential is probably unavoidable if you divide that prime real-estate. I'm a layman though, so ...

[@Meatwaggon]

@@HauntedXXXPancake Nah, just look at the conformal array on the latest Virginias. The thing only takes up the bottom half of the bow, just like the sonar arrays on the 093B.

[@cscheidt1]

Former Top Torp Champion here on the Key West. Love the channel.

[@Dreamer66617]

Take shoes off and give thanks. HAHAHAHAHAH yes you described this great

[@andrewcharles4349]

Thats a crazy horsepower stat for the Virginia class. I didn’t realize it was that high. I really enjoyed your vague yet awe inspiring description of the engine room on a Virginia.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

That's more than the Iowa class BBs. And New Jersey did 35.2 knots when she was fitting out for her 1968 refit. Makes ya wonder...

[@Wiz33]

Claimed and you know the Chinese follows the Russian in over stating their weapon capabilities. I would be surprised if the 093B can even achieve the sound level of the Russain Sierra I.

[@Fred-rv2tu]

Yea maybe the day it leaves the shipyard but after some times goes by…

[@cleo1488]

Wow. We need to build a lot more submarines

[@bholdr----0]

Yes! ...Well, once Aukus gets up and running with a shipyard in Australia, I think they, with the US, the ROK and Japan, will be in pretty good shape as long as we keep our technological edge. I WOULD like to see a SOSUS network along the first island chain and in the South China sea, too, but that'd be pretty provocative, I suppose.

[@greybuckleton]

Could you do some of the WW2 subs? They were historically super important.

[@2fathomsdeeper]

Heard some more chatter on the supposed 093 accident. Two sailors supposedly survived the mishap. So, I guess they did lose one.

[@nehrigen]

More proof that China has the most dangerous subs.😂

[@mahtoosacks]

Is that the one that got caught in a fishing net? lol

[@2fathomsdeeper]

@@mahtoosacks I've heard that and also that they hit something and sank, I don't know which.

[@tainechen1634]

If it happened, you would see pictures by now, when Russian and American submarines had accident of this magnitude, you saw pictures.

[@yiping7193]

It turned out to be propaganda by anti China cult.

[@bensmith5413]

Funny I thought it was the brits with the swiftsure class that made the real breakthrough in sound silencing.

[@mattmiller4613]

I abso-freakn-lutely LOVE how you Appropriately described the engine room Cap.😋

[@BOND19951]

US Navy still has the best submarines and surface ships out there. China just has numbers.

[@Bangy]

Submarines and aircraft carriers maybe but definitely not destroyers or frigates. 052D and 055 are state of the art battleships, Burke and TCR destroyers are cold war relics.

[@ricky1231]

@@Bangy Why are they not show casing their state of the art abilities in the Red Sea then ? After all China 🇨🇳 will lose more by this shipping disturbances If it’s not been tested in war it’s “ state of the art on paper only “ 😅😅😅

[@johnsilver9338]

Its because Chinese Navy includes corvettes, gunboats, and small missile ships in the count. While USN has none of those. Even their most numerous destroyer Type 052D is more like a frigate than a destroyer as it has less VLS of only 64 and the same tonnage of Constellation class frigates.

[@Bangy]

@@ricky1231 Because it's none of their business, America should deal with their own problems, and the Houthis have been instructed to not attack Chinese ships. Avoiding war is a good thing, actually.

[@Gearparadummies]

Numbers? The PLAN only has numbers if they count every raft with a gun they have. If the US did the same, they would have to count in Coast Guard cutters. If those are counted in...The US has the numbers.

[@marvinterrell8443]

I know what you're saying about the engine room. And I'm biased on our submarines having served for 22 years on them. Mk 48 tech and TMC/SS.

[@edwardmoes1617]

Hi. I’m Canadian. As a grad student in the early 90’s, I worked for a university think tank, a brain trust of the Canadian government, was awarded a low level security clearance, and tasked with seeing if the tech in the “Hunt for Red October” was publicly available, the question being, did Tom Clancy have access to classified info… stupid project, but learned much and work led to further job prospects. Point is, astonishing how far tech has come since then. Also, impressed by this analysis, sound reasoning and purposeful use of available facts. Becoming big fan of channel.

[@OpenGL4ever]

And did he have access to classified info? What were your results?

[@JohnWilliamNowak]

IIRC, Clancy was fascinated with the tabletop game Harpoon, which he credited with most of his research. Hunt for Red October was originally a scenario for Harpoon for wargaming conventions. There are many anecdotes about naval personnel seeing Harpoon and freaking out. His books featured a high-level information source codenamed Cardinal. The CIA got scared because they had a high-level information source codenamed Top Hat, and talked to him. After Top Hat died, Clancy told the story. Of course, it was just a coincidence.

[@edwardmoes1617]

@@OpenGL4ever I don’t know for sure, but pretty sure he didn’t. My task was to verify if the tech and tactics could be verified by publicly available documents. Just about everything was… a few things I couldn’t verify, (which could have indicated “yes”), but could also have been just reasonably inferred or made up. I wasn’t privy to higher up analytics. Like I said, pretty stupid project.

[@OpenGL4ever]

@@edwardmoes1617 Thank you for answering my question.

[@inspector4133]

I love your enthusiasm. I'm glad that you CAN confirm that we are on top when comes to SSN's. Always good to know.

[@michaelPriwall]

New to this channel fascinating stuff our Son is a Nuke attached to a Virginia class . Actually got to do a 4 day ride with . It has given me a new appreciation and the utmost respect for what submariners do!

[@Firewalker1988]

Aaron's enthusiasm is on fire - love it 😂👍

[@kdaltex]

The engine room is like standing in one of those padded "quiet rooms" and running a small electric fan. Insanely quiet. Take the smooth ride of the lexus ls from that ad with the stacked champagne glasses and double it. Extremely smooth, extremely quiet.

[@Kosss2001]

Jive, you made me laugh multiple times this video! Love the energy!

[@alexmelia8873]

I imagine there is a growing number of staff at the NSA that has to keep track of retirees on KZbin. I can appreciate the candor!

[@ronaldhunt7617]

You were like a little boy telling whoever would listen all about his favorite Power Ranger Aaron the way your face lit up. Forget carriers, SSNs are the Navys' real teeth.

[@shanemay3797]

As an Australian, I believe that the RAN needs a limited number of torpedo launched ASM Tomahawks back in the inventory for the Collins class Submarines again. But I believe that those new design ASM's are due to be delivered to the RAAF 1st, before the RAN.

[@Jimmy_Vice]

"You might as well go to the surface and start texting your love ones" LMAO

[@reallyhappenings5597]

7:38 to 9:24 is hilarious and inspires great confidence in our capabilities 😂

[@nmccw3245]

Deadliest to its enemy or its own crew. Requires elaboration. 😂🤣😅

[@johngilbert6036]

I think you love Submarines as much as I love electronics/It. I bet you one heck of a sonar chief. Love your enthusiasm and ability to inform us of these great weapons and other aspects of the naval news. Thanks

[@_mysilentblue2227]

I'm a surface Navy guy but without a doubt the next big naval battle is going to be determined by the subsurface fleet.

[@kevkeary4700]

Das Boot in a Virginia class with the Chief Engineer with the stetoscope listening to the music of the shaft rotations 🥰

[@jfamilyproductions5372]

I’m a welder for Huntington ingalls. Some of them engineers make our job difficult. I can say them engineers are masterminds when you see how we build it upside down.

[@veerchand2129]

May the Supreme Nuclear Deity, Rickover, bless our subsurface fleet.

[@Mike7O7O]

I've rarely seen you as animated as when you're talking about your old service branch. Very entertaining! ;)

[@FlyingScot57]

Love your content, love the unabashed love for Navy and US. Couldn’t agree more - we are not perfect, but damn we are still the best

[@robertdeforest9682]

I used to ride both LA and Virginia class subs, the difference in engine rooms and their layouts is night and day. Can confirm that Virginias are next level comparatively, but I can’t say that I had a religious experience with it like you 😂

[@shawnbuckendahl1968]

I'm so jealous that you had the opportunity to tour the engineroom. I came from Sturgeon class and it would be so cool to see the improvements.

[@tgsgardenmaintenance4627]

A better comparison would be the Virginia class, to the Yasen M class!

[@bholdr----0]

The enthusiasm is absolutely catching- you can feel the stoke as this post progresses!

[@danapeck5382]

Great episode. Brings back memories of 9 fast attacks simultaneously under construction at Newport News back in the mid-eighties, with three carriers being built outside. Personally, I think capability only matters for boats underway. Like the F-35 and F-22, if you're down for maintenance most of the time, you're not an asset.

[@G5ProductionsLLC]

This makes me feel much more secure, thank you!

[@john_in_phoenix]

I really hope that the mark 48 detonator has been tested in real scenarios.

[@danharold3087]

Great video. Good to see you have sponsorship.

[@Alexx120493]

The production rate of two every year is what astounds me the most. The whole process from Design to Supply Chain up to Quality Control and Commissioning must run like a well oiled machine.

[@Chris_at_Home]

I would think sea noise could be filtered out by using circuitry that only allows constant frequencies to be heard/processed. I wired the MC panel on the 694 during my short employment at EB.

[@DriveByShouting]

PROUD to see the Navy putting ‘Oklahoma’ and ‘Arizona’ back on the USN rolls for the first time since the December 7, 1941 Japanese Attack on Pearl Harbor that sank both USS OKLAHOMA:BB-37 and USS ARIZONA:BB-39. The first two Block V Virginia Class boats will be: SSN-802: ‘USS OKLAHOMA’ SSN-803: ‘USS ARIZONA’ I couldn’t pick a better name for the new Block V’s; Honoring the Sailors and Crews of these two legendary US Battleships.

[@gavinsaunders01]

I so want to see the engine room now! lol, Oh man can only imagine

[@askquestionslater916]

You make me proud to have been a submariner, Aaron.

[@reallyhappenings5597]

As you well should be, you're a badass!

[@willbecker1034]

I’m heading to the New Jersey this December as a JO, and boy I though I was already excited, but you kicked it up a notch or 5.

[@skatman3278]

The sheer excitement when you talk about the Virginia Class is hilarious. Like a kid in a sweet shop.

[@CJ-jo6do]

Crew knowledge / skill /experience

[@obbayazit]

The change in your voice when you talk about Virginia class tells us all we need to know about how much you love the Navy and proud of the American submarines 👍👍👍

[@barryinkpen6026]

So....... what do you "really" think? Hahahahaha! Good episode man...

[@GOTOHOBBIES]

WoW , wait to the Dreadnought Class is in service from the UK, US and UK what a team.

[@LeonAust]

There not SSN but SSBN

[@brunol-p_g8800]

The Dreadnought is UK’s next SSBN and will only be in service in the Royal Navy. Australia won’t operate SSBNs.

[@the-quintessenz]

What use is a superior navy when the leadership has already defected?

[@jay_Jalapeno]

Lmfao ok bro

[@utp216]

That engine room gave you an honest to goodness religious experience!

[@kotori87gaming89]

Well sir, the reason we didn't meet our time metric for the Code Red was because everyone had to stop and take their shoes off when they entered the engine room...

[@John-jl9de]

Ex sub sailor here who served aboard diesel electric and nuke powered boats and got to ride in both fast attacks and boomers of that era, 1970-1976. Thanks for the great reporting and updates. We use to say there are only two types of ships at sea, submarines and targets. Sub sailors go deeper and stay longer was our motto.

[@5133937]

This was one of your more enjoyable reports. I like how animated you get about the Virginia engine room and the Mk48 torpedoes, lol. Now I'm both enthused and terrified.

[@alf3553]

“ Deliver Freedom “ 😂

[@MrTylerStricker]

When Jive gets excited talking about US submarines, it makes my day 100% of the time

[@MrMikeV00]

Wow, very quiet indeed. Open prop, not shrouded pump jet style and so quite. That must be very slow running to minimise cavitation.

[@pfrstreetgang7511]

After Aaron's description of the Mk48 I am nervous just thinking about the damn thing.

[@drivenmad7676]

Aaron, i love your excitement and passion when talkin Subs.

[@cheetor5923]

I have a question, Wikipedia says the Arleigh Burke, Flight 3 has no ship to ship missiles. I find that very hard to believe. Surely it has some anti-ship missiles in it's stack ready to go.

[@SargentAlebeard]

Another fantastic video Aaron! I always get exciting when you bring out the submarine vids! Been a fan since I wore out the Hunt for Red October video tape when I was younger 😁🇺🇸

[@GMATveteran]

7:00 - As mentioned in the video, there aren't any more 093Bs being built at the moment. If I had to speculate, the likely outcome is that the PLAN will use the lessons & improvements learned from the 093B & apply it to the type 095 SSN (the long awaited follow on to the Type 093 series).

[@user-ne6xw1sv4u]

As China is aware that its military technology is lagging behind that of the U.S., the country builds limited numbers which enable them to see flaws and identify needs for the improvement.

[@johncage5368]

* bursts with enthusiasm while trying hard to avoid lighting up the agencies' x-mas trees too much * 🤣👍

[@samiamgreeneggsandham7587]

9:35 actually, the Poms wrote the book on sound silencing, or at least the first chapters in it. Some would go as far as to say that it was Britain’s payback for US charity in the 1958 UK-US Mutual Defence Agreement.

[@davidschlienz9395]

Target is 2 sub's per year and both shipyards are waiting on the funding for the Block VI. Currently, due to a bunch of reasons, only launching about 1.3 subs per year. And....when the AUKUS deal goes through, the output will have to increase to 2.3 subs per year. I always enjoy your shows.

[@ryanpeeples6998]

I love the passion you have when talking about subs haha. Wish you did more submarine content vs general mil stuff.

[@tishared4560]

What about 095 submarines, what potential are they gonna have?

[@brucegoodwin634]

Your hair looks great, Aaron!

[@RLFWE1]

British ex submarine machinery design engineer now triggered by an american proclaiming "we wrote the book on sound silencing"

[@briancrawford69]

Is the nsm missle the replacement for the harpoon? Is it a much better missle? Im not up to date on naval weapons. Thank in advance!

[@NotAsTraceable]

Pretty slick advertisement intro.

[@OpenGL4ever]

In the computer game Red Storm Rising from Microprose released in 1988 there were missiles in the game called Sea Lance MK50 that could fly to a specific point and than enter the water to become a torpedo. This weapon was very useful in the game because it allowed you to quickly eliminate an enemy at a great distance and you could also use it to destroy submerged submarines. Of course it was just a game, but I've always wondered if a weapon like that existed in real life and if such a weapon is in service. Because the advantages could not be denied.

[@k53847]

Umm, UUM-44 SUBROC?

[@OpenGL4ever]

@@k53847 No, UUM-44 SUBROC does use a nuclear warhead, not a conventional torpedo.

[@k53847]

@@OpenGL4ever Well, the UUM-125B Sea Lance never entered production.

[@mpdunner3698]

What is the "silent speed" for the Virginia class sub? Isn't that the key measurement?

[@bestestusername]

love your excitement when describing the American sub especially knowing you served on subs yourself. Great video.

[@BubbleheadDiver]

Aaron, Former adcap 688 Nuke here. How much different is the engineroom on the Virginia class from late 688s? Don't need details, but is it really that different?

[@radicalmoderate2730]

Thank you brother for some good news

[@willrockwell2870]

"take your shoes off, and give thanks" 😆

[@paulharvey6447]

Love your stuff excellent information . I was of the belief that the Royal Navy wrote the same book on quieting, first displayed in the Swiftsure class of the 1970s? Then perfected in the Trafalgar Class of the 80s-90s. The 688s arrived about the same time as the swiftsures I believe, and both had similar noise levels. Tom Clancy was huge fan of the Royal Naval Submarine service.

[@dingdingdangdan]

Not sure if you would be so optimistic after seeing the size of the new ship yard in Huludao.

[@TP-ie3hj]

the Bohai ship yard was moved starting about a year ago. The old yard has the one large assembly hall. The new facility has many. Estimated to be able to build far more than one nuclear sub at a time.

[@dylanduhamel4115]

Are you based in CT? You described it as 'here' in the video. Love finding out creators are local!

[@pauljeffery7658]

Fantastic segment. Thanks God Bless on your journey.

[@johnrathbun2943]

Most people think its about the best machines. But in all reality it's about the best commander of that vessel. Both vessels are deadly. But who knows the capabilities of their vessels the best. And who knows about the capabilities of their opponents vessels.

[@gaius_enceladus]

Great video! I agree! China's subs will stay functional for as long as a US torpedo takes to get from a Virginia to their hull. As for China's rapid ship-building program - it's hard to build good ships and good crews fast. What they're really building is a "target-rich environment".

[@Wiz33]

A lot of people also forgets that ASW warfare is more than just technologies. It's also the tradition and experience that's pass down by generation of sailors which is something that the Chinese navy is totally lacking.

[@nonconsensualopinion]

Exactly. Experience is everything. You could give every military asset we have to another country and most couldn't use it effectively. We're very good at war because we've basically been in a constant state of war for hundreds of years!

[@tomlu6820]

@@nonconsensualopinion Experience is only important if in the same paradigm, If a paradigm shift occurs i.e. Missile/EM Guns replace the Aircraft Carrier as the center of naval warfare, then it might be back to the same place again. Not withstanding how old experiences hiders new experience.

[@davidsmith8997]

@@tomlu6820 Old experience doesn't always hinder new experience. Familiarity can help speed up new techniques if they are based on or related to old ones.

[@jasonhawkins6888]

@@tomlu6820 Experience is of course important, but I agree with you. There are infinite factors in ASW and nothing is certain. A bad day in the press can have ripple effects that translate to the battlefield. I always urge caution when criticizing our opponents and bathing in self-love; overconfidence is the dirt where complacency grows. It is also important to remember that the first shots fired in modern warfare are to the enemies intelligence gathering community. As actively as we try to hide top secret information, we seed misinformation (both good and bad) to confuse the other side's ground truth, and they do the exact same thing.

[@Bk6346]

The Chinese Navy is just starting out. They will get more experience as time goes by.