USAC Showdown Oliver 2255 & 588 Plow White Farm Equipment (1973)

USAC Showdown Oliver 2255 & 588 Plow White Farm Equipment (1973). Oliver 2255 competing against MF 1150, JD 4630 & IH 1468

[@bigtractorpower]

Thank you for sharing this great video from WFE history.

[@arnoldaltjr.2099]

I worked for the local Oliver dealer in the early 60's. We went to a plowing contest where all participants pulled the same Oliver plow. That put them on the same page. Some of the considerations USAC recorded had no meaning in everyday farm operations, but note worthy anyway. In the contest I attended Oliver out performed all of it's competitors. The most interesting thing about this video was the opening dialog when "Bob" said he wanted us to know what White was up to. To bad Oliver didn't understand that before crawling into bed with the devil. That merger took place because White needed $ and Oliver had them. When White gleaned all they could Oliver ceased to exist.

[@bustersmith5569]

I always wondered what happened to Oliver ? They made so very good tractors !!!

[@4gauge10]

@@bustersmith5569 They made very weak tractors,they used GM parts that were and are built to planned obsolescence engineering.

[@bustersmith5569]

4 gauge I never seen anybody say anything like that before ?? There were a couple of tractors made over seas that most people stay away from !!!!

[@4gauge10]

@@bustersmith5569 Watch the movie"Levit Town",this movie was made by GM,by the end of it,you'll understand what I'm saying. GM has ALWAYS been great at two things,lying to its customer base by blowing smoke up their back sides how great their products are and two,building products that purposely fail.

[@bustersmith5569]

4 gauge ok thank you,, but I do like GM Oliver and allis challmer !! But I do have two internationals and one IH Case XT85 skid steer,,,

[@bencramer5458]

I like how they were honest when John Deere’s cab was quieter they claimed overall they were the best but wasn’t perfect.

[@adamkruskama8455]

Some of this would be biased by using different plows. The white plow and ih plow have always been superior. Still a white fan. To bad they had mismanagement .

[@farmallskittle]

you can't use an ih plow on a massey ferguson because of the draft control

[@TonyM132]

"Everything was checked, and rechecked..." to make sure the Oliver would win, since White was putting on the show, right?! Kind of strange they chose a 1468 instead of the far more popular 1466. But they both made basically the same power (the 2600 rpm version of the 6-cyl, that is, which began production in late 1972), so I guess it doesn't matter. That DT436 in a 1466 would've started much quicker than the DV550 in the 1468 though.

[@devandulin6073]

They wanted to test out the big v8 tractors of the time that’s why they chose the 1468

[@joshbergellin5096]

@@devandulin6073 yeah, ih probably wanted to have their v8 out their for extra torque and power

[@danjosephson6910]

@@devandulin6073 I've seen variations of this. They went with V8 engines and 6-18 plows with auto resets. John Deere had neither a V8 tractor or auto reset but were included presumably because they were a large contender in market place.

[@1995jug]

The best one is the one you got and paid for.

[@tigermanmccool4037]

that would be my $2000 Ford 3000...lol

[@jakeziegler599]

Very nice video! Do u have any white or Oliver combine promotional videos?

[@garretbaerwolf1806]

This find is a true gem

[@ianbob3050]

The 4630 was miles ahead in modernization..With a contemporary design,Sound-Gard Boby module cab,full 8 speed Powershift,inline 6 cyl. turbocharged and aftercooled engine.And there's plenty of them still in use on farms today..but its a cool retro video

[@steigerpower]

Not mention the Government support to that John Deere enjoys.

[@glenparks5175]

I'll still take the Oliver over the John Deere any day

[@TonyM132]

Cab was the most modern when it came out this year 1973, yeah. But a "full 8 speed powershift"... I guess it was modern, but only 8 speeds! Wouldn't you rather have an 18 speed transmission with 3 speed powershift like the Oliver's Hydraul Shift? How many 30 series tractors had powershift anyway, 10-15%? Quad Range was the all-new transmission Deere debuted in the 30 series, so I'd say it was the most modern.

[@joshbergellin5096]

@@TonyM132 and you can do the whole 3 speeds without clutching, and odds are it’s quadrange which just about every 30 series is

[@thevox1075]

It’s sad they’re not still around. IH, Allis, Massey, and a few others were devastated by bad management, the economy, and unions. Some branches out into too many other businesses. Wish you could go back in time and save your favorite company?

[@Ham68229]

Except Allis, Massey and now even Cat are all apart of AGCO in which IS Allis. Cheers :)

[@SilverGleaner]

@@Ham68229 A big part of the AGCO leadership were killed in a plane crash in Europe a dozen years ago and somehow foreigners from Massey took over and ruined AGCO's market share in North America. Not they claim that AGCO never stood for anything but "Your Agricultural Company". I emailed them back that I have AGCO literature from way back that says AGCO stands for "Allis- Gleaner Company". They still deny it. I've worked with many Euopeans over the years and the townies from Europe dislike the American farmer pretty universally for some reason..... That said, so do most big city types I've worked with from anywhere in the world. They seem to all dislike American's from the countryside. After 20 years of working with these people I finally put in my time and am getting out. Boy did I stray off topic!

[@Corydakat]

id bring oliver back and fire the num num who had the idea that white was better and agco too shoulda listened to the good brand and kept that one as the main sell

[@Jordannelson23]

Oh for sure I'd love to bring back my IH from what happened with the merger with case

[@davenhla]

Ha, what a sales pitch! I would be curious how this would have turned out if all 4 hooked up to that OLIVER(not a White, c'mon man) plow. Oliver knew how to make a plow, they knew how to so well J.I.Case paid them to paint a few orange haha. Speaking of which, where is the Case 1370? While I am sure the cab noise would have not exactly come out on top haha, I am sure it would have shown well in the other areas tested here. Oh well, it's a ages old sales video, not like there will be a rematch! Thanks for the upload, I had a chuckle watching this.

[@joshbergellin5096]

It definitely gave it an edge but it was the companies own fault for not having good plows, they also made fords plows but they made the case and Ford ones a little different so they wouldn’t draft as nice

[@ccclc6159]

1370 probably had to be removed from the test because it would have had more hp& torque🤣

[@OldIron2188]

Rematch could have a 1370, and AC 220, maybe throw in a Ford 9600.

[@steigerman6288]

i seen that you uploaded a film about the Oliver 2255 and the Minneapolis Moline G1355. then it was gone. would you please upload it again?

[@dancaszatt9266]

nice how IH and John deere are the only two with there engines. a fair comparison would have been a inline 6 for the IH.

[@ralphmartin5615]

Dan Caszatt case international

[@sheilamclaughlin963]

Typical cat start and typical start for that junk ihc v8 should have been a 6

[@Ham68229]

@@ralphmartin5615 it wasn't CIH until much later, like mid 80's.

[@joshbergellin5096]

I’d think with the 8 cylinder you’d probably get more torque anyway, I’d think that’s what they were probably trying

[@eb17816]

I know what White was up to. They were destroying Oliver.

[@OldIron2188]

They didn't destroy Oliver, they rebranded it to avoid the two-lines-same-product issue with MM.

[@loganbeedy5950]

@@OldIron2188no they bankrupted Oliver, MM, and cockshutt trying to keep the white truck division alive, eventually they merged all companies together because they were fighting over who was gonna stay alive and who was gonna disappear

[@3madeamps]

Oliver is the best by far !!!!!!!!!!!

[@Jordannelson23]

If they were the best how come white didn't keep the Oliver line running

[@SilverGleaner]

@@Jordannelson23 The Whites were pretty much an Oliver design.

[@Corydakat]

and deere

[@Jordannelson23]

When u mean doing something very different do u mean like taking 3 decent tractor manufacturers and completely destroying them?

[@midwestfarmerleduc9256]

I graduated from high school in 1980 The average farmer could work on all of his equipment. And could make a decent living sharecropping 360 acres today they can't make a living on 1800 acres Artificial intelligence will rule of food supply that will make you go hungry. No independent family farms or businesses will be allowed The virus has destroyed The ability to own property.

[@dwynepen7626]

JD was very advanced back in the day..

[@joshbergellin5096]

Yeah that had a good transmission, good hydraulics and a good cab, I’d still take a over under hydraul shift over quad range

[@randymagnum143]

Oliver plow was the best, tractor would be good with an 8.3 cummins or 6v53 swapped in.

[@gsmachineinc6769]

Also the Massey tested in this clip is a 1150

[@janhoughtaling2948]

My dad had JD 4430, 4440 and 4450, when the 30 series came out the buzz was that the only difference between the 44 and 46 was that the 46 burned a lot more fuel.

[@4gauge10]

Nope,the 4630 added another 20 hp.and used the SAME amount of fuel.

[@SilverGleaner]

46 spent more time in the shop.

[@wmden1]

For the White to beat the Massey, at cold starting, was something. I have a 60s model Massey 65, with the Perkins diesel. It is still the best starting engine, on my property, during any weather, with no starting aid. With a good, strong, battery, almost instant starting, if you leave the throttle lever at idle. Did White use Perkins engines. I will have to check into it. Some of these tests were influenced by the difference in the operators. Gear selection, plowing depth differences, down to fractions of an inch, throttle sets, and certain other skills, such as turning around and lining up the plows for the next pass, if applicable, all can make differences in area covered, per time.

[@andymotl]

The White driver should describe how he massaged the 3 point hitch lever up n down to increase speed. Where were the Minnie Mo’s at?

[@joshbergellin5096]

White corporation wanted to put their show piece up for it, Minneapolis didn’t really have anything to beat out the 2255

[@yippekiyay7262]

Must be a rule that these videos have loud annoying music.

[@redironacres]

Great video. Where did you find it?

[@michaelmisbach115]

Going to White dealerships that were closing up over the past 20 years. I have accumulated some old films. Floyd County Muesem in Charles City Iowa has an extensive collection of Oliver, White and some MM promotional films. www.floydcountymuseum.org/resource.html

[@paulhaug3563]

They must of been scared of Allis Chalmers! They weren't invited.

[@andymotl]

Paul Haug They broke down trying to load their tractor and plow onto their trailer. Maybe next year...

[@OnePieceTractor]

I have a 7045 and it couldn't turn around in a 14 foot radius if it was cut in half

[@randymagnum143]

@@andymotl lol, the ih 1468 and massey 1150 were absolute garbage.

[@randymagnum143]

@@OnePieceTractor thats a fine line, shorter wheel base tends to buck and ride awful. Like a 1086 ih.

[@OnePieceTractor]

@@randymagnum143 Sure,we,be had 3 of the 1086,s over the years,and you're right,they ride rougher than my 1066,but creature comforts is so much better in them than my 7045. My 7045 is solid,but honestly just something cheap to run until I can upgrade. But yeah,All around general use on the AC Is good

[@landaroon7793]

Reply to Brad not Landa Have 2 White 2-60s - 4 serial numbers apart. Good tractor!

[@jimbride4434]

Why is the white driver lifting the front of the plow out of the ground ?

[@generationll]

A 4-150 Field Boss would later appear in 1973

[@billbright1755]

3208 Cat is very easy starting.

[@dwk7375]

People talk trash bout the 3208Cat, but they are very faithful starters in cold weather

[@caseingersolltractorsnortheast]

Shake keys at them and they are running. Great engines in tractors, boats, gensets, equipment basically steady rpm equipment etc and med duty trucks not bad. They got a bad name when they put these little V8 200ish hp engines in class 8 80,000lb semis and dumps. Sure they are going be dogs and get beat to hell. Like putting a 4cyl of the same era in a 1 ton pick up and expecting the operators to be happy and the engine to last and perform towing......

[@Corydakat]

i wanna see new age companys put their money where their mouths is like this lol

[@gsmachineinc6769]

Check tractor data.com the 1155 is listed there.

[@brianbooher7318]

All four are great tractors an well worth the money I'd shire take any of the four in a heart beat today over what's outwear today altho to be fair they should have used the 1466 6 cylinder international instead of the 1468 that v8 wasn't the best motor international ever put out

[@ralphmartin5615]

Oliver tractors

[@RJ1999x]

Seems like a strange match up. The big 3 at that time was John Deere, International Harvester, and Allis Chalmers. Allis Chalmers at that time, and still holds true today had the quietest cab, had the biggest engine, had the hydraulic system every manufacturer copied, had the only draft control that actually worked, the most robust drive train, to just name a few. Why would the tester choose to run an Oliver and Massey Ferguson against the JD and the IH. Seems like a hand picked competition they knew they could win

[@jasonroeder8134]

RJ 1999 exactly what I was thinking

[@sheilamclaughlin963]

They tested so they could win that cat had no competion in that as they into all the 600 cat cubes and strengths, Oliver and later white with tha 3208 got the balance correct. I ran most of the others over time and they worked the system

[@nellsonstout7001]

RJ 1999 Allis didn’t have the biggest engine. Minnie Mo, IH and Case were offering higher displacement engines at the time

[@RJ1999x]

@@nellsonstout7001 I forgot about the Case 504 and the Minnie,

[@joshbergellin5096]

It was probably for bigger engine, don’t allis only have 300 cubes or so, all their engines are pushed to the limit in that tiny little cab, you start to see why so many people hate the allis guys

[@nathanruff7459]

Lol. Meanwhile, White Motors ran Oliver and MM right to ruin, siphoning off loads of cash for their crappy truck division.

[@dwk7375]

One IH truck salesman admitted,"White had us beat on everything but price"

[@andymotl]

Just for the record Nebraska Tests records show: Oliver 2255 (3150 Cat): 146.72 hp @ 15.59 hp-hr per gal. MF 1150: 135.6 hp @ 14.99 hp-hr per gal. JD 4630: 150.66 hp @ 15.68 hp-hr per gal. IH 1468: 145.49 hp @ 15.60 hp-hr per gal. Fuel efficiency goes Deere, IH, Oliver then MF.

[@randymagnum143]

So, only compared to the worst the competition has to offer?

[@4gauge10]

And White/Oliver was the fastest one to go out of business,proving that when you have poor management,your business is toast. Your 🏆⬅WINNER is John Deere,after over 175 years,it's STILL going.

[@Ham68229]

Is it really though? Majority of it is made over seas...

[@joshbergellin5096]

Well white outlasted Massey in the us and ih,

[@Man-cv5ws]

Where was case

[@TonyM132]

1370 too much power, 1270 not enough power compared to these others, I'm guessing. But you're right, I'll bet there were more Case farm tractors sold in America in 1973 than Massey tractors.

[@tomholley5464]

And case wasn't invited also

[@MFKR696]

Yes they were. Case and International Harvester are the exact same company.

[@tomholley5464]

Not back then tgey weren't

[@Jordannelson23]

@@MFKR696 not during this time in the 80s after the merger yes but in the 70s IH and Case were two separate companies

[@Buzzbox3rd]

Pity White destroyed Oliver .

[@randymagnum143]

Not really, agco just used white up and never did any new development.

[@SilverGleaner]

@@randymagnum143 When AGCO bought White, White was already 15 to 20 years behind so AGCO used them until the 9600 series were introduced. In fairness I did like running the boss' 9170 which was a Deutz powered White basically. Super smooth power with that big Deutz and it was a trouble free engine, had a nice cab but the 8000 series Allis cab was still better. I worked at an AGCO dealership in the early 90's when AGCO first switched from green to orange and the boss farmed about 1000 acres so I ran some tractors a very little.

[@randymagnum143]

@@SilverGleaner I'd take a 8070 powered with a 8.3 p pumped CTA over most anything. But the white 6x3 speed was a good, reliable system. More than could be said for any Deutz, or Agco electronic transmission.

[@SilverGleaner]

@@randymagnum143 I'd be a little scared to put the torque of an 8.3 through the AC. They have a bullet proof rear end and transmission but that's with using the 7.0 AC engine. Maybe if you kept the hp at no more than 160 or 170.

[@randymagnum143]

@@SilverGleaner there are plenty running them, and Allis was going to build them with big cube Komatsu engines, befor deutz bought them and embarrassed themselves trying to sell their out of date tractors no one wanted and they couldn't give away.

[@generationll]

There is no Massey Ferguson 1155

[@farmallskittle]

cause this was filmed before the 1155 was built

[@sheilamclaughlin963]

Right on video does not lie, they must have wanted as many v8s as possible

[@ccclc6159]

@@sheilamclaughlin963 because most 6cylinders will make their v8 look bad

[@ggpher]

you cant beat my case 530

[@Adam_Poirier]

It's painful for me to hear them keep saying "no one beat white" that Oliver tractor was designed tested and proven long before those jackasses came along to suck money from the business

[@MrLuckytrucker21]

Sorry white, but i will choose the jd 4630. Lots of them still in use, love the sound guard cab, and deere and company is still going strong!

[@user-hc9yt5gd6r]

Then why come to this site enough bullshit !

[@benjaminwoodworth4906]

It's no j i case there

[@6h471]

You couldn't start 30 and 40 series JD's without ether on a summer day, let alone at the temp shown here. I dont really get the big deal about the plow. Where I live, it's all non irrigated dryland farming, and if you showed up in a field with a mold board plow, somebody would run you off with a shotgun, most likely. A moldboard plow is the most effective moisture removal tillage tool ever invented.

[@SilverGleaner]

Where I live the mold board plow is still fairly popular. Flat black ground just a few mile west of me.

[@lfeco]

I have both 30 and 40 series. It's only the 30's that are cold blooded.

[@SilverGleaner]

@@lfeco I don't like how the slightly newer Deere starts with a roar. Can't be good for an engine.

[@carrollsanders9376]

A Mold board plow was designed to Turn over Prairie grass and wheat stubble, it also helps hold in rain as long as you subsoil every 3 years it's excellent on clover food plots, because it holds in moisture during hot dry summers.

[@andymotl]

I have an actual report where Oliver was caught cheating at the University of Nebraska tractor test facility. They had said they were bringing two tractors of the same model (one row crop, one standard) but only one showed up the day testing started. Raising suspicion, the test engineer had 3 students observe him make 3 hidden chisel marks in the engine block of the row-crop. When the standard model showed up weeks later it had the same engine already tested in it. Oliver is definitely up to something translates into "buyer beware!" Point of the story- I wouldn't believe a word these guys said.

[@jakeziegler599]

ANDY MOTL that's a pretty tall tail for a 44 year old story.

[@andymotl]

Jake Ziegler It was documented when they tested the engine a second time.

[@jakeziegler599]

ANDY MOTL how'd they figure it out tho

[@andymotl]

Oliver was scheduled to bring two tractors in for testing. Same model just one was a row-crop and the other a standard. When only the row-crop showed up the Les Larsen became suspicious he took a punch and made 3 small marks on the engine while 3 students observed him doing so. That motor came to Nebraska again this time in the standard model. Obviously an engine already broken in should pull a few more hp than a brand new one. The Oliver engineers expressed disappointment in not seeing the gains they were hoping for. Les made the comment that, "Well you didn't expect them to be much different than when we tested the engine before, did you!?"

[@andymotl]

This is a well documented event by 2 of the 3 students that witnessed it happen at the Les Larsen Tractor Testing Museum.

[@leylasener2410]

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[@montecasler215]

3 inline six cylinders and why not a six for IH not completely fair

[@redironacres]

All the tractors have V8s except for the 4630

[@randymagnum143]

So, three junk v8's and one junk overstressed 404?

[@randymagnum143]

Thank god nobody builds junk v8 tractors anymore.

[@Muffin_Masher]

I love how the USAC test results "prove" the american tractors are better than the british tractor..... meanwhile in 2021 I gaurantee you more of those british tractors are still alive and working decades after all that yank trash has rusted away