This video is a bit longer than usual, however I wanted to dedicate some time explaining why I’ve chosen certain recipes, whilst also giving explanations as to why they could be good for you (or even bad for you). Thank you for your continued support. Enjoy, and Godspeed 🍻 Timestamps Intro - 0:00 Steel Breakdown - 0:23 Best Steel Ingot Recipe - 1:50 Best Steel Beam Recipe - 8:43 Best Steel Pipe Recipe - 17:11 Outro - 21:08
@Danbotics2 ай бұрын
I adore this series - thank you for making it! Just one nitpick though. The correct way to write the unit of megawatt is “MW” with two capital letters. A lower case “m” usually indicates “mili” in metric units and watts must always be abbreviated using the capital “W” since the unit is derived from the name of a person - James Watt.
@Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm2 ай бұрын
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@SuperChez_2 ай бұрын
Solid steel was my first alternate and boy am i glad ive been using it this entire time
@Xix13262 ай бұрын
This a great series, thank you. I'm a confirmed Iron Pipe guy. Iron is everywhere. Coal is not. Easy decision for me.
@Minotaur-ey2lg2 ай бұрын
Especially later, when coal can be put to better use elsewhere. Diamond accelerators are HUNGRY.
@Raderg1232 ай бұрын
Iron pipe and iron wire paired with steel rotor and default stator gets you motors just from iron. And that's just plain awesome.
@LeeHawkinsPhoto2 ай бұрын
If you really want to amp up ingot production, combine Solid Steel Ingot with Iron Alloy Ingot and Copper Alloy Ingot…you multiply your iron and copper several times over while also multiplying your steel. I built a factory that pumps out 502.5 steel, 440 copper, and 265 iron ingots all from 300 copper, 540 iron, and 335 coal, mostly using Mark 3 belts. These recipes are awesome put together!
@JW-4522 ай бұрын
solid steel ingots gets even better once you do pure iron ingots
@dadozer2 ай бұрын
The Compacted Steel Ingot recipe makes me irrationally angry. 10 per foundry? Are you kidding me?
@TheValhallanPickle2 ай бұрын
When I saw that at first, I had to do a double take because I thought I accidentally under-clocked the foundry 😂. This also makes the recipe not ideal for larger steel beam factories.
@sheldonpetrie37062 ай бұрын
It good to use up Compacted coal byproduct from Nitro Rocket Fuel, and has the best yield for Iron Ore (and slips needing to refine to Iron Ingots) It's just slow, but just layout a good blueprint.
@daracaex2 ай бұрын
Isn’t solid steel better for iron ore usage because you can smelt using Pure Iron Ingots first?
@sheldonpetrie37062 ай бұрын
@@daracaex a lot of it is based on your constraints of what alt recipes you have unlocked and what tiers you have access to. For my main base I am making Pure Iron Ingots before making solid steel ingots. I have a ton of compacted coal from my Nitro Rocket Fuel plants, so it makes sense to use it for compacted steel.
@WackoMcGoose2 ай бұрын
Heavy Encased Frame says "helvete". Why does it make such a WEIRD DECIMAL AMOUNT?! Either you underclock it down to 2/min, or you overclock every single one of them to make the 3/min that the recipe actually should be making! Even the other HMF alt, Heavy Flexible Frame, actually has the dignity for the per-min fractions to be a multiple of 0.25...
@bencurren71902 ай бұрын
The big advantage i found with the moulded series recipes is the ease it integrates into a encased beam line. With only steel and concrete you can produce all three super easily in one production line
@staris37122 ай бұрын
Molded Pipe is my definit go to for large scale production. That said if a production line is short a little bit of pipe I definitely make up the difference with the Iron Pipe recipe.
@DanielisAwesome522 ай бұрын
Coke Steel seems like a good backup when you use up all your coal. I haven't found Crude Oil itself super scarce, since I use Diluted Fuel to make Fuel, Turbo Fuel, and Plastic or Rubber. In fact the 2 factories I have using Oil atm are over producing fuel and I have no use for it yet. Not far enough to make Diamonds so maybe Coal gets used up elsewhere
@Minotaur-ey2lg2 ай бұрын
Yeah, oil is kind of a noob trap. You think it’s scarce, until you learn you can dilute it and make all the plastic and rubber you’d ever need, while also producing enough power to see you through to the endgame. Spire coast is basically an entire ecosystem with nothing useful but oil.
@stellarpaintings65972 ай бұрын
An idea for ur next recipe video, three recipes, plastic and rubber, both recycled and then diluted fuel. If u feed each refinery into each other with smart splitters forcing the flow to fill the refinaries and the over flow for excess. then u can produce both with rubber and plastic for just the cost of dluted fuel.
@MrBishop0772 ай бұрын
@6:15 or after spending time in the swamp or red forest dealing with spiders(stingers), then safely back at your base and catch the "wind" in just the right way and jump scare yourself when a leaf comes right at you... *(shifty eyes) uh .. someone on my single-play may or may not have had this happen a few times... hehe
@Magermh2 ай бұрын
I normally conform to the terrain. What do I consider the best for steel? Multiplicative steel is regularly selected. The aluminum beam looks interesting for beams as wet concrete could be used for EIB or Steel Screws. The normal steel beam and steel pipe is used until scaling up. In the basic steel factory solid steel ingot recipe is used. An iron ingot recipe with a multiplier is selected whether it be Basic Iron Ingot or Alloy Iron Ingot depending on location. An in-line production line with 6 foundries for iron ingots, at an underclock, to 6 foundries for solid steel, to four constructors for steel beams, and 4 constructors for steel pipes. The upside to this building is it uses lower tear construction component. It regretfully requires a pure iron nod, two pure coal nods, one pure limestone and normal limestone to work with basic iron ingot. That limestone would be better served for the casting recipes but the location of its construction lacks water and low-grade nods for copper. As most of the copper is dedicated to copper sheets for pipes. For the latter game the intent is to use coke steel. With fine concrete for the cast pipe and beams. I do use the Iron Pipe recipe for stators and rotors to motors. Good video Pickle. I enjoy the depth of the comparisons video’s. :)
@FibrousQuotes2 ай бұрын
u can use the compacted steel alt if u use the rocket fuel byproduct and use it for steel and u use 0 sulfur and coal but that is what i do with my compaceted coal
@wertacus2 ай бұрын
The best thing ive done in my save is to create a water packaging facility and system for recycling the empty cans. I can just slap it down anywhere and drive one truck from the water plant using the road network. Takes all of the stress when choosing to use water recipes.
@OminousSoul2 ай бұрын
While Iron Pipes are great, Especially for making some things in an Iron Factory with alternate recipes, I prefer Molded Pipes as my go to Steel Pipe Recipe because I already got the infrastructure for it set up in my Steel Factories which I always bring limestone over to
@TheValhallanPickle2 ай бұрын
The moulded recipes are great. I’ll most likely be using them too.
@Minotaur-ey2lg2 ай бұрын
Limestone also isn’t terribly useful if you have the right alts, but iirc it’s the second most abundant resource. Edit: Iron pipe is great early on to simplify, but I tend to defer to others later when my infrastructure is more advanced.
@jjyy82892 ай бұрын
I use both usually since you always have more Iron than Coal. I'll make as much steel as I have the Coal for and then turn the rest of the Iron into Iron Pipes. complicated but a good compromise in my mind between resource and time efficiency.
@staris37122 ай бұрын
One suggestion for where to get at least some of your concrete on the cheap, since Aluminum production includes water produced as a by-product, unless you keep the refineries running 24/7 by sinking excess scrap you will inevitably have excess water introduced into the system. As you can probably guess set up some refineries to make wet concrete to deal with the excess. Most efficient form would be with the use of an elevated pipe loop so will only run to consume the excess by-product water, with the trade of being the amount of concrete you get is inconsistent. Alternatively could pipe the water by-product directly to the wet concrete, with its trade off being having to pump all of the water the alumina solution recipe requires.
@kawazu8742 ай бұрын
Ooooh refineries to make plastic, use crude oil to make coke and fuel, use fuel for power and steel with iron, using limestone with abundant water... West of the map at medium spawn point, no need for trains, trucks or anything, just one pipe coming from South to get 240 oil .... I didn't think about this ! Thanks !
@chrisbayus51892 ай бұрын
Iron pipe plus pure iron ingots. My go-to steel pipe recipe combination
@williamlove68762 ай бұрын
Good video, but i feel like these kinds of analyses kinda miss how the alternate recipes interact, e.g., you can produce SAM fluctuators with just sam and iron using the iron pipe and iron wire recipes. That doesnt make the iron pipe "best", but it is super useful in some applications.
@chasepup8591Ай бұрын
Imo Iron Pipe is one of the best alternates in the game
@prepe52 ай бұрын
wouldn't the solid steel ingot consume the least amount of iron if you use an alternative for the iron ingot itself?
@williamlove68762 ай бұрын
This really is the strength of the Solid Steel Ingot recipe, combining it with the alternate Iron I got recipes. Really surprised that wasn't mentioned.
@daracaex2 ай бұрын
It feels wrong to say Compacted uses the least iron ore when you can use Pure Iron Ingots to make Solid Steel use less ore.
@Minotaur-ey2lg2 ай бұрын
Also, “least iron”. Who cares? Sulfur is rare as hen’s teeth, iron is everywhere. I’m sure it has some niche uses, but I can’t think of any.
@apexkech2 ай бұрын
Coke Steel is a very good recipe if you plan for it. It is not by any means something that should be used to produce small amounts or use on a whim to fix upstream problems. Before 1.0, I ran a Steel-centric build hierachy and it ran perfectly. It produced 1600 Steel Ingots per minute and carried me all the way to the end of the game. It's definitely not something you should go for unless you have plenty of power to spare. I don't understand the hate it gets. Coal has high value later in the game and in my opinion be focused there. I would certainly not use the Compacted Steel recipe ever. Personal opinion. Example: If you make a giga Plastic factory have Crude Oil -> Rubber + Blended Fuel -> Recycled Plastic, you will have a lot of Heavy Oil Residue to deal with even after you make your Blended Fuel. I have a plant in the blue crater doing 3200 Plastic per minute. There was a substantial amount of left over Heavy Oil Residue left over so for now, it's being turned into Coke and then Autosunk. It's currently 2400 Petroleum Coke which I could turn into (2400/75 = 32 Foundries * 100 Steel) 3200 Steel Ingots which would supply me with basically all the Steel that I need for the rest of the game (we already beat it) if any systems fall behind in demand in the future and need to be scaled up. I could instead turn the 2400 coke into a Coal Generator plant of (2400/25 = 96 Coal Gens * 75 MW) 7200 MW power to recoup the power cost of the plastic facility and then some, but when you're already sitting on 180,000 MW surplus, is the Coal Generator plant really necessary? Who knows. We're busy playing HellDivers 2, Farm Sim 25, and Arma Reforger.
@TheNishtiak2 ай бұрын
Pickle just having some strange obsession against using oil based recipes.
@Minotaur-ey2lg2 ай бұрын
I find coke steel to be great if I have the infrastructure to move it. I wouldn’t use it as a solution for heavy oil residue disposal because personally I tend to not build that big. Of course that could change farther down the line when I start ripping out factories for the final space elevator parts.
@TuberTugger2 ай бұрын
Can you also factor in space? Some of these "better" alternative recipes take up 2 or 3 times the volume to run. When planning mega factories, being compact is usually MORE important than power or resource requirements. Overproducing power is easy. And mid to late game, doubling production with a summorsloop is trivial. I'm not saying space is the ultimate decider, you need to factor everything. But to ignore it entirely seems strange to me. I'd much rather have smelters than foundries for verticality. And being able to create reusable blueprints in a compact space is much more of a time saver than a power discounts. Raw numbers is helpful, but it really doesn't tell the full story.
@andrewmcleod0012 ай бұрын
Pure iron+ iron pipe all day long Patiently waiting for aluminum video 🙃
@chrisbayus51892 ай бұрын
Absolutely!!! My go-to combo
@brycey2364Ай бұрын
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@brycey2364Ай бұрын
Backbone of my uranium fuel and plutonium fuel factories.
@Rythera2 ай бұрын
An error on the Iron Pipe Recipe, you have the buildings used as 1 Foundry and 3 Smelters. It should be 1 constructor, not a foundry, which is also causing your power cost for it to be 11MW higher than it should be.
@FVgaming4022 ай бұрын
very good video
@TheValhallanPickle2 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@supercatloverkid9092 ай бұрын
valhallan, dude love the videos but... i am begging you please! please make a video on crystal oscillator i need your help more then ever, im making a computer factory and i need to know what the best crystal oscillator is. but yeah love the videos, there always something i look forward to.
@Geistermotte2 ай бұрын
Isn't the ratio of the standart Pipe recipe 3/2? Because you showed it to be 2/1. With 3/2 you're only using 20 iron and coal, not 27. But still, really good video! Btw. after finding out about the solid steel steel recipe I changed all of my steel factories to use it
@puddleofbooks2 ай бұрын
No soild steel with a pure iron recipe? You even mentioned it :(
@xander28532 ай бұрын
Steel pipes are based. Encased steel pipe is absolutely S tier.
@Hanmacx2 ай бұрын
How is the Iron Ingot variant if using Pure Iron Recipe with Water? 🤔
@TheValhallanPickle2 ай бұрын
It’s good. You save a decent amount of iron, and you don’t have to consume much water. Obviously, it does consume a bit more power though. Overall, not bad. Would recommend for larger factories if you’re wanting to save on iron and don’t mind adding water to the process.
@ForeverZer02 ай бұрын
Iron is the most abundant resource in the game. You should pretty much never being using the Pure Iron recipe. You can throw down a miner or two on some unused impure nodes to more than make up the difference, at a fraction of the power and setup, and using existing infrastructure to transport.
@Minotaur-ey2lg2 ай бұрын
@@ForeverZer0Respectfully, gotta disagree. Water is the most abundant, limited only by space. Splashing a little water on any ore is usually worth it, in my opinion. Of course, like everything else, it depends on where and what you’re making and mileage may vary. I’ll do regular smelters all day if it means I don’t have to transport liquid uphill. The earlier updates, when liquids weren’t quite sorted, scarred me.
@imasonite2 ай бұрын
I really think the consideration on power in these examples is a bit much. i have never found myself bean counting power consumption. you simply expand power production as needed. once you get nuclear, is it even a consideration for anyone any more?
@wishmaster30032 ай бұрын
So, iron pipe can give you all 3 layouts for phase 3 without using coal. But ofcourse if u using alternate recipes for industrial beam, frame and also alternate recipe for computers and boards. God bless satisfactory calculator 😂