Use your what!?!? The forgotten benefit of real world info from use.

I hate the format, but I shot this for IG and thought the audio was worth the listen. I’ll do better on the next vid 👊

[@ericasedc]

Also you are one of the most influential and informational sources- thank you for your work!!!! You get it.

[@THExDUDEx8624]

Wish he posted more. I miss his videos. Also in the pocket . Awesome channels that show how knives can actually be used and how they hold up. I just have 2 settle for you now Erica 😂 jk,jk. I absolutely love your channel

[@Alumapro23]

I appreciate it. I just sit back and kind of do my own thing and hope there’s some value.

[@Alumapro23]

I appreciate the kind words. You know I said from the beginning I’m only putting out content if I feel like there’s value to it. I’m also old and it’s time to let youth, like Erica, make their impression on the community. I’m just like a grandpa sitting on the porch giving perspective 😂😂😂👊

[@glockgaston2922]

Clint great video and topic. I always try to use and sharpen all my knives multiple times before having an opinion on any knife. I really don’t understand how anyone can give an educated opinion without doing both. Thanks for sharing brother 👊

[@ericasedc]

There really aren’t gatekeepers - that is an exaggerated opinion from a few people. Our movement is to improve, learn, and provide actual use and info in reviews. End of story. Companies need to do better- as do we. 💕

[@THExDUDEx8624]

I think what people get upset about is certain people shaming people because it doesn't look like they used a knife enough. Use is completely different for everyone. Do you work in an office, construction or law enforcement. 3 completely different use cases yet all are being used. I'm not saying you do this. I have seen people doing this. It personally doesn't bother me.but I think some people aren't as mentally stable. That sounded really bad. I just don't know a better way 2 say it. Lol.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

KZbin influencers dont often listen to testers. They want to buy and sell knives for a profit usually. And they want free knives so they won't give constructive feedback. The market is swayed by the ignorant. That's why we see poorly performing m390 /20cv. Cause manufacturer's listen to sales numbers.

[@THExDUDEx8624]

@@tacticalcenter8658 I think that's a minority though. Honestly I almost exclusively exclusively watch the smaller channels now. With the exception of neeves knives.

[@Alumapro23]

Companies need to do better. Best one line to sum that up. And some my read that as do more. I think they could do less/the same and still put out some worthy products. I said from the beginning that I didn’t understand why BM chose to sell hype by using 3v on the Bailout when they’ve done a wonderful job (historically) with 154cm and that steel would serve the role better without even going outside of their wheelhouse, so to speak. Maybe a run on sentence, but I’m tired and distracted 😂😂😂

[@Alumapro23]

If you have a factory edge on a knife and you’re telling someone, definitively, how “good” or “bad” a knife’s steel is, you’re doing it wrong. Full stop. I’d never tell someone how to use a knife, but I don’t think anyone could give advice on something they haven’t fully experienced. To Erica’s point about the 30 day rule.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

MetalComplex misses the point. He's useless. KZbin influencers are against all of this.

[@allthingsknives]

Great Video, the points you bring up are exactly why I do my steel carry videos, I sell knives as part of my job it help informs me and the people I sell to, so they are getting their hard earned money’s worth when they buy, people work hard for their money and deserve a good value.

[@johnscarborough4746]

You don't know until you know, that's why use, observe, & repeat is so important. My knife buying funds are pretty limited so I definitely want to know if what I've bought is delivering on the promise.

[@ericasedc]

Agreed!

[@Alumapro23]

💯💯💯👊

[@mr.delacruz559]

Keep up the great work Clint! When I see “use your shit” I understand it the way you explained it. For me it means getting to know your tools such as a knife by using it like our elders did. To see how the knife design works for you and how a certain steel performs for you from use and also from sharpening your knife. I do remember CRK changing their heat treat because the knife community was Noticing their edges were rolling. I also remember bench made not quite living up to their words on the heat treat. All these changes happen because of stand up people in our community like you who spoke about their observations. I get wanting to justify what we spent or feeling good about our purchase. I don’t understand why anyone would knock someone that is giving great advice like ”use your shit!” to better understand their tool.

[@ericasedc]

Right? I am starting to think people are getting spooked that the truth about these rave items will be unleashed- and the sugar-coated product lies will be uncovered. Revenue drops and it goes to $hit for them from there. So they have to try to make us look obsolete and naive to stop us in our tracks.

[@mr.delacruz559]

@@ericasedc 🎯 Bullseye!!!! I couldn’t agree with you more! Anything to protect their revenue even if that means lying out their ass to their viewers. Most of the viewers defending that type of shit are suffering from the tribe mentality even though it’s not based on factual evidence. Seems to be the theme nowadays in this country if not the world. In the end there is a lot more people actually using their knives than those that are just collecting them. And those are the people that will Really benefit from the knowledge you give for free.!. No knock on collectors, I’m just knocking those collectors that are trying to shit on those that Actually use their knives and are trying to give knowledge from their experiences. Erica you are a gem in the knife community just as Clint is. Keep up the great work and fuck the haters!

[@ericasedc]

@@mr.delacruz559 thank you so much man. You are the best!

[@Alumapro23]

💯, man. I think it all comes back to ego. If I’m being 💯, I think we have several people in the community flat out marketing for these companies with impunity, we have people that blindly listen to people because they “like” them, very few know how to sharpen so they cannot tell you first hand how something is or isn’t performing, and nobody wants to talk about or admit any of those things. I’m sure I’ve made more enemies by saying that, but I’ve seen it and experienced it in conversation for years. I know it’s true. I don’t just sit back and admire a problem though. That’s why I started saying use, sharpen, observe AND I put skin in the game by making angle blocks and doing a GAW to help people learn how to sharpen. 👊

[@ericasedc]

@@Alumapro23 you are incredible my friend!

[@profesorEDC]

My friend, I haven't got the slightest idea of what's going on 🤣 I do however know you are a man of your word, a straight forward person and one that "uses his shit" the original. I also know through our conversations that you are a person of experience and that's always learning trying to improve (great book by the way). I've been around in all that you mentioned and you and many people from the community began something that opened a lot of eyes, including mine, which I, to this day, appreciate. So, whatever the scenario I got your back, like so many I would dare say that are no suck ups, we've just been around enough time to go through the whole process. The info is out there to review how many times is necessary. Anyways, let's continue with this conversation through PM

[@Alumapro23]

I appreciate the kind words 🙏👊. I’ll check in soon 😁

[@CNYKnifeNerd]

If all the infomercial knife youtubers don't want to use their knives, that's completely fine. The problems arise when they start "reviewing" a knife like they have actually used it. That's wrong, and people that do that deserve to be called out.

[@ericasedc]

Yes. YES. You get it. And the algorithm buries actual users because we have less traction with our content. So in doing research to buy a new knife- you literally cannot find actual/factual content with usage behind it.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

Agreed

[@Alumapro23]

I agree. I would never tell someone to or not to use their knife. I think people getting defensive about that are protecting their ego. They know they may be saying or doing things that aren’t as solid as they may present them to be.

[@connivingcactus539]

I want to love that knife so badly. Wonderful edc design, terrible edge retention. I still carry it because I spent $80 on the damn thing, but I’ll never buy another Kershaw.

[@stevestory8483]

Great video!

[@Alumapro23]

🙏👊

[@jeremyspaulding7735]

Great video 👍

[@ReclusiveMountainMan]

Great topic. Not sure I followed some of the "if you know you know," but what I could follow I agree with. There is a ton of BS and mis-information in the knife community. Also people are falling prey to the marketing of knifemakers (perfect example is the Kershaw you show). Just because you get a buzzword "supersteel" doesn't mean you're getting a 'better" performer than S30V. Also people who follow certain makers and pay $$$ because it's an "X." Be critical and look at what you are buying, and if the quality doesn't match the price tag, chances are you're falling for the hype.

[@Alumapro23]

There are just things I’ve done that have been important/changed the community that a lot of people don’t know or realize where it started. I’m not going to get into all of that because it’s not important and that’s ego. Kind of exactly what I was going against in this video. So, if a person knows, they know. If not…it makes no difference. I don’t need the pat on the back. There’s enough info for people to get the point of the video without knowing the background. Agree 💯. Use, sharpen, observe. We don’t need to keep having the same circular conversations decade after decade.

[@astaschak]

I'm not totally sure what's going on, I fall in and out of the knife community and I tend to avoid talking to a lot of people because of all the issues with getting along. With the "you should have bought this *insert expletives*" or the why would you buy that? That's junk, this steels better, that steels best, if you don't sharpen this way blah blah blah. I don't really care. I just buy what I like regardless of political opinions or geographic boundries. You make a good product I want or need, I buy your products. The whole steel thing that started a while back, I kinda get it. Not getting what's promised, or empty claims with this being x amount better. At the same time with the use your shit philosophy that I also employ, it doesn't really matter. If your knife dulls or breaks in one or 2 uses, you got the wrong tool for what you're doing. I can edc a victorinox for a week without as much as a stropping and that's one of the softer stainless steels out there. I've also wrecked k390, s110v and stuff in a day abusing the knife. One of the reasons I've been watching your videos for so long is because of your philosophies, they tend to align with mine a lot. No nonsense and objective about a lot of topics too. Like the Case ss vs cv video a handful of years ago. There is some real big fan boys in that crowd. The knives are ok, they do what they need to, I was surprised about the result myself. But you didn't just take a forum post or something an old guy said who's only had that one knife for 30 years and run with it. You sought out your own info. There's better and worse knives out there. To me I buy and use what I like because we have that luxury. I'm grateful that I can have too many choices. When people pass up on something they like because it's "only s30v" or "only 154cm" it just gets under my skin. Not that long ago they were "super steels" themselves. I don't really get it honestly. I love the super steel trends and that it gives a healthy competition and a strive for better products, but I also feel these days it's starting to go too far. I have seen some posts where a guy is asking for recommendations and they're like, "it needs to be 67hrc, stainless, 4.5 inches long, .009" behind the edge, able to baton bricks all day etc." Then I'll find out sometimes that they work in an office or something and use it to open mail. It's fine to want the best of something but I kinda wish people would think about it more and realize there's so many more options your limiting yourselves from by being so fickle or stubborn. I feel people need to start doing better, and companies need to do better too or at least just be more honest or transparent. Anyways I kinda forgot the whole point of the video and went on my own little rant, but I hope all is well, or you're getting good some free time in haven't seen a video in a bit from ya. Best of days to all this year.

[@turing2376]

10 years ago I was happy with my spyderco vg10 endura, just using it a little bit and infrequently. Then after a while I started using it for a little bit harder tasks and was pretty let down. Swore off the vg10. Ended up getting into the harder tool steels which where much better in the edc and housework type roles. Then after getting into kitchen knives found the vg10 from others to be pretty good, admittedly using it in a different role, and knives with better geometry. Rambling, but I just wonder how spyderco is doing with the vg10 now and if we are going to see commonly available knives with geometry at least a little closer to kitchen knives. I mean, look at the bevel on that kershaw in the video, maybe it has been sharpened an inordinate amount of times, but really why does it have to be like that? Well, gotta sharpen a few times to get a better edge usually, starting with an already not ideal behind the edge width, then at that point what do you end up with...guess it was a rant post 😁, but really, I am curious, how is the spyderco vg10 now, I'm assuming still crap except for use opening boxes or such, because I don't really want to invest the time myself on trying to find out again if someone already knows.

[@Alumapro23]

Hahaha! No rambling. That’s exactly spot on. Use and experience with different knives puts perspective on what’s “good” and what’s “bad”. That’s what a lot of people seem to be missing, IMHO. The bevel on the knife looks that way because it went into CATRA for testing. They sharpened the blade there. NASTY sharpening on all the knives sent in. If you haven’t seen the CATRA stuff it’s all on my YT. When it came back, it went to Outpost76 for comparison testing to CATRA. He sharpened it there as well. He uses a standardized angle to keep all of his tests comparable. Because the blade stock is so thin, the 16ish degree per side angle he uses is wide. 👊

[@turing2376]

@@Alumapro23 yeah, I saw those videos, did realize that that knife's bevel in particular might in part have something to do with the CARTA stuff so maybe not the best example. But, just in general I'm sure you know what I talking about. With these pocket knives the bevel widens quickly with sharpening, especially when you want to put a nice acute angle on it like you mentioned. What a treat to go and sharpen or use a Japanese kitchen knife in comparison (like that konosuke hd you have I'm sure would exemplify, if I'm remembering correctly about that video). I just wonder if we are ever going to get a little bit more from the pocket knife manufacturers in this regard, or there's just too many other factors or obstacles in the way.

[@turing2376]

@@Alumapro23 thinking about it some more, comparing the regular version of that dividend to the m390 version might be a good example. That hollow grind makes it quite a different knife. In that case i guess maybe that original grind would require more grinding cost for the manufacturer to grind with the more wear resistant version so they don't do it? I don't know. To me it is really a toss up to even use the m390 version vs the original, probably prefer the origional more.

[@turing2376]

@@just9911 ahh, sounds like I might have to consider it again. Thanks.

[@brandensutton2324]

You doing alright? Have not seen a video in awhile?

[@tacticalcenter8658]

When KZbin influencers say its got m390 its good to go... That is pure ignorance and its a sign of ignorance and its just spreading more ignorance to there viewers. Or worse saying its good value with said steel name. And even worse not holding a company accountable for using name x steel and treating it better... Selling them for high prices. In the end ripping off users and collectors, because using the wrong steel and heat treat is not value.

[@Alumapro23]

Can’t disagree. For some reason even telling collectors they’re not getting what they paid for seems to start arguments though 🤷‍♂️. I don’t get it. I ask the same question every time. Even though most people don’t race super cars, wouldn’t you be upset if you paid for a Ferrari and found out it only had a fraction of the power it was supposed to have? Even if you’re just using it to go to Starbucks on Sunday’s. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@tacticalcenter8658]

@@Alumapro23 case in point, grimsmo knives. Poor cpm154. Roman hooked them up with a new protocol for more toughness about 2 years ago. Its not worth the 700+ they are going for. Why they dont use rwl34 with a unique heat treatment is beyond me, it would give better value. Heck it would be more idea to use a higher end steel and heat treat like 20cv, but they'd mess that up. Regardless, people be spending over 1k on those in the 2ndary market like addicted fools and the value is not there.

[@Alumapro23]

@@tacticalcenter8658 Can’t disagree, but that goes into a whole different area I don’t understand. Discussing it with knife buddies, I think it just boils down to 2 different generations of knife people. The newer generation is chasing the “perfect” knife and are willing to allow a knife made in batches, without customer input, on a computerized machine, to be called a custom. I will never in a million years be able to see that POV. I come from the time where you told a maker what YOU wanted, THEY bled and sweat over the steel/titanium, and at the end you had a knife made for you by a human, which gave the knife soul.