Who is the Most Senior Heir of Charlemagne Today? | 1 Million Subscribers Special

[@UsefulCharts]

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[@imakeboringcontent7277]

Do ship world wide

[@benbrawler2583]

I think i will get one Edit: i got one

[@SuperStriker7US]

amogus

[@bosniencommie1202]

cen you do whu is most senior heir of sultans of al andalus todey and kings of bosnia todey

[@amazingfincher]

Why isn't he called Karl the Great in English? :D

[@therongjr]

Your video inspired me to look up why "Charles the Simple" had such an unflattering name. In that time, "Simple" meant direct or straightforward, without the hint of being feeble-minded.

[@cumaproto9466]

Charles the simp

[@TheWatcher5292]

@@cumaproto9466 Charles the

[@tonijelecevic9238]

Better than being called "the bald" or "the fat" lol

[@patrick40592]

What bout charles the fat

[@timtams_6]

@@patrick40592 funnily enough, no one during the time called him charles the fat. He was only called that hundreds of years after his death by geneologists.

[@efretheim]

So who's going to tell King Charles he's the Carolingian Emperor?

[@Robespierre-lI]

He definitely already knows every single line he's potentially or certainly connected to.

[@amylathrop8329]

Darling, he knows. If there's any one thing today's Monarchs know is their entire ancestry.

[@TheToughBaby]

@@amylathrop8329 I expect he looks at a chart almost exactly like this every morning when he wakes up

[@markoprskalo6127]

I am also Carolingian

[@RubenJavierTovarEsparza]

​@@markoprskalo6127So is literally everyone else in the world.

[@DreaOnzagle]

What a fun thought experiment! Once we got to the House of Wettin I had a feeling I knew where this was gonna end. Congrats on 1 million!

[@jasonpickering5288]

After we got to the Dukes of Saxony I finally clued in.

[@LazyCat010]

Elizabeth II: I am inevitable.

[@ByzantineDarkwraith]

As someone who's gone to Elizabeth II's wikipedia page and just clicked "Father" in the infobox over and over and over again before, as soon as we got to the house of Wettin I had that feeling too :)

[@keithharper32]

You're more knowledgible than me then. I thought when we got to the House of Wettin we'd wind up on the pretenders of Poland-Lithuania

[@cv4809]

@@ByzantineDarkwraith So I'm not the only one then I did that for every current european royal house and the House of Welf was the oldest I could track

[@isaacwest276]

I have Charlemagne in my blood line through Charles the Simple, so I'm just here to find out who wants to help me uh... reclaim my family heritage "peacefully" and who needs to "step-aside."

[@jguillermooliver]

We all have Charlemagne in our blood, if you have european descendants in your blodline.

[@17Watman]

Same here

[@ollikoskiniemi6221]

You'd need to "peacefully" convince like tens of thousands of people to "step-aside". Anyways I'm in, sounds like something that should be televised, let's call it the "royal olympics", or "game of THE throne", or "right by might"

[@charity2275]

@@jguillermooliver Not true. There were plenty of peasants.

[@michaelwright6726]

I am also descendant of Charlemagne as l am the 18th great grandsons of King Charles VI ("the mad") of France on my mother side of the family...

[@johnbrereton5229]

After the recent death of Queen Elizabeth II, her son Charles becomes King Charles III of Great Britain and his reign will be know as the Carolean period, similar to his ancestor Charlemage. Who according to your research, Charles III is his most senior living descendant. How absolutely fascinating, that after all these centuries the fruit hasn't fallen far from the tree.

[@fishnchips8132]

Charlie has said himself that he is descended from Vlad the Impaler - having looked into his & the family's behaviour & history - that's when one can say, the apple does not fall far from the tree - Research the royal families of Europe will bring a much more balanced truth.

[@frank-ko6de]

It fell a long from the tree. From Germany all the way to England.

[@johnbrereton5229]

@@frank-ko6de Charlemagne was not German ?????? I'm talking about King Charles III family tree. Which goes back to Charlemagne King of the Frank's who later became the French. However, Charlemagne was born in Leige in modern day Belgium, so not that far away and not Germany.

[@frank-ko6de]

@@johnbrereton5229 Actually very far away and through so many centuries and millions of people. It's not direct.👍👍👍👍

[@johnbrereton5229]

@@frank-ko6de All our ancestors go back through millions of people through many centuries but they still lead directly to their descendants.

[@flemishnationalist-prayfor9809]

UK: abolishes the monarchy The queen: *moves to continental Western Europe and reestablishes the Frankish Empire*

[@highmanbeing1591]

side note: she is about to resign and Charles will be King effectively. They have it all within their grip and always have. shit.

[@LunaNicoleTheFox]

@@highmanbeing1591 The queen will not resign.

[@highmanbeing1591]

@@LunaNicoleTheFox lets see :)

[@kearo299]

Empress Matilda would be proud of her 💂

[@tathemrelag3123]

Also, monarchs don't "resign." It's called "abdicating."

[@florentinhonorius613]

We did it boys, we have Charlemagne back to the throne!

[@bartsanders1553]

We finally beat Crusader Kings!

[@goofygrandlouis6296]

Except he's not great. No "magnus" there to be found. 😂

[@eddiesid1149]

Mind is blown and now he is King. Crazy

[@fsbayer]

Minor correction: Charlemagne's wife, Hildegard of the Vinzgau, has not been canonised, only beatified. Accordingly, she is (if anything) Blessed Hildegard, not Saint Hildegard. The latter generally refers to Saint Hildegard of Bingen, a mystic nun.

[@mandyb8675]

Yeah I just noticed that.

[@HansWurst1569]

this is why I mostly dont trust these charts. they are fun thought experiments but ultimatly this person isnt a historian. The lines that often get drawn in these family trees are sketchy aswell...

[@florian8599]

Bl. Hildegard is more applicable, because she was _regionally_ venerated around Kempten -- a monastery she founded.

[@Jiub_SN]

@@HansWurst1569this is more or less accurate

[@montedaestrada3563]

As a Brit that was fun, true or not. I have spent years following and researching particular family histories and related events but you have given me new ideas. My searches struggle to get beyond the year 1600 AD.

[@mamavswild]

That’s better than me…I’m American and the sht just goes ‘poof’ into the night. I could trace my ancestors to the ‘Harrisons and the Harringtons’ from northern England who came across on the Boat in the early 1900s. Then it’s all blank.

[@SolidusSnapes]

@@mamavswild have you tried Y dna?

[@teddypantbongaram2865]

What do you mean, true or not?

[@aholiabtegar3036]

Previously I guessed it would end up with a stranger in Australia or the US, but the actual result is surprising and much more interesting 😀

[@unrealuknow864]

The legitimate King of England lived in Australia. His daughter should be Queen.

[@KamalasFakePolls]

King Ralph

[@matteusconnollius1203]

No, that arguement is meaningless since Elizabeth's ancestor, Henry VII took the throne by right of conqeust

[@eternalvigilance5697]

@@matteusconnollius1203 Stole*

[@matteusconnollius1203]

@@eternalvigilance5697 Do you think a deity came down and gave King Richard his seal of approval for the throne? Nobody has anybody right to the throne except by being able to use strength to ocnquer it and having the support of people. "Stealing" thrones are meaningless, conquests is how people get thrones anyway

[@untruelie2640]

15:20 The thing is that ursurpation was the common way to claim the title of Roman Emperor. And since Charlemagne was proclaimed to be the new Roman Emperor (if you accept the legal position that the imperial throne was vacant because Irene of Athens ruled in Constantinople), it could be argued that the ursurpation of Otto I. was "legitimate" and the Carolingians had lost their right to the emperorship. In this case, the last agnatic legitimate Carolingians could claim the title of "rightful heirs", because they were the last one's to hold a royal title and strict salic law arguably overrules semi-salic law. So it would be the Namur line?

[@megameow321]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Liz was the heir under that line too. Lots of crossing of the streams.

[@eX1st4132]

I wouldn't trust a comment from a user literally called "Untrue Lie"

[@Magic-mystery-man]

The chart has been simplified a lot. Ermengarde also had a sister Gerberga, it actually is not known who of them was first born (I myself suspect Gerberga). Her descendants are the counts of Leuven (later Brabant) and Gelre. This line continues via the house of Burgundy to the current king of Spain. Ermengarde's line went from Namur to Luxemburg. This continues via the Duch house of van Egmont into the still existing house of De Riquet de Caraman (title of Prince)

[@untruelie2640]

@@Magic-mystery-man Thank you. I was confused because I had once researched the Brabant line and it didn't appear on this chart.

[@untruelie2640]

@@eX1st4132 Why? It means that I'm speaking the truth. 😉 It's just a little philosophical joke.

[@JinxJynx4u]

Big congratulations on 1 Million Subscribers! I've been here for a little over a year and have been fascinated by all of the amazing charts that you do and the interesting stories you find while researching these people! I'm an amateur genealogist myself and absolutely love all of the fascinating connections that you've found between people, nations, and religions! I hope to continue to see your channel grow, and look forward to your future videos :)

[@Qsefe99]

I'm going to become a history teacher soon, and when I do. I am going to have your charts in my room. I think that they are a truly great resource for learning and putting history into perspective. Keep the great content coming

[@Ofelas1]

His name was Karolus Magnus, born, bred, and crowned in German-speaking area. He would never have a French name!

[@Robespierre-lI]

They tend to catch the interest of students who are, well ... already interested in history. You might need something flashier and less detailed for the other variety of students, to draw them in, in their moments of distraction staring at the walls. (Don't underestimate the importance of subtle psychological ploys) ;)

[@suebursztynski2530]

I’ve taught mediaeval history to Year 8. It was kind of fun. I hope you enjoy!

[@erinesque1889]

I was able to find one line of my family history back to Charlemagne, and it was exciting to do so!! Not only because I’m curious to see how far back I can go, but also because of the names!!!! I love names and finding unique ones is always a treat!

[@fuseydunae397]

but how do you do it?

[@erinesque1889]

@@fuseydunae397 I was bedridden from surgery and spent a lot of time on Ancestry and chasing down lines that went somewhere

[@AdamLaMore]

Question: if you were generally following semi-Salic Law, why did you follow Beatrice's line instead of backing up and going down Raymond's line to Spain?

[@michaelp7250]

So he could get to the queen of England, which makes for a cooler video. That’s my cynical answer. I don’t have a real answer

[@Ardunafeth]

Indeed. All through the first 15 minutes he keeps pushing the salic law and semi salic law argument and that just suddenly gets thrown out of the window in the last 5 minutes...

[@TheAlexSchmidt]

Probably since Beatrice inherited the County of Burgundy? It would fit the theme of following who actually became heir.

[@WreckageHunter]

Cause then it goes to eventually conflate with the Habsburgs when Joana of Spain marries Philip of Habsburg, and we already know how that "died out". Just don't remember who's the oldest among Charles V and Ferdinand. If it's Charles, then the best claim belongs to Philip VI of Spain. If Ferdinand is older, then it belongs to the Head of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine (who I don't know who is). ... Or maybe it ends in King Sebastian of Portugal (since Manuel I married the older sister of Joana), but that line died out.

[@Maob08]

@@WreckageHunter no no He will come. In a morning with fog.

[@99batran]

Funfact: Rome (the city) was first ruled by a Romulus, and ended with a Romulus (Romulus Augustulus) you can also say that the Rome as an Empire started with a Julius (adoptive father of the first Emperor), and ended with a Julius (Julius Nepos, ruled the last holdouts of the Western Empire) if you twist it enough Though you can also say that the Eastern part, if you twist it enough, it began with a Constantine (the Great), and ended with a Constantine (the XI)

[@keithharper32]

But the last person who ruled by claiming the title of Caesar of Rome was named Nicolas

[@Nairda2042]

Well, I won't say the Eastern Roman Empire part needs twisting. Constantine the Great did build Constantinople, and Constantine XI did die with the city. And they both had moms named Helena.

[@99batran]

@@Nairda2042 Constantine was around before the Empire officially and permenantly split in 395, many years after he died. So one COULD say he never ruled the Byzantine Empire (or Eastern Rome), that is why I say "twist it" . Though if Roman Constantinople itself, then one could say Constantine to Constantine

[@99batran]

@@keithharper32 You really live up to your name. Nah jk. But who even really takes that seriously today?

[@markusoliverasagtg9704]

Ayy batran99 nice to see you still alive and kicking, i remember the old mapping days...

[@MakoWoman]

What a perfect video to celebrate 1 million; I actually physically gasped and went "NO WAY" at the end there :D

[@efretheim]

Same

[@cak813]

I don’t delude myself in any way that I’m related to anyone famous, royal, etc. My ancestors were hard-working Irish and German immigrants who made their ways to New York City in the 1840s-1850s. They did well for themselves and I’m grateful to them for the life I have today.

[@oddursigurdsson9637]

@@cak813 If you go back a thousand years your ancestors are so numerous it becomes a bit of a math problem between 1 trillion if nobody married anyone related to them to billions or hundreds of millions. It's kind of like doubling a 1 cent coin over a month becomes a ridiculous number. Obviously thats not possible when people live in the same village for hundreds of years and absolutely do marry their relatives but it's very likely if you go back 1000 years at least someone will have been important and put into history books or papers to deal with inheritances or military things. After all you are a descendant of people who survived very hard times so it's very likely some of them were extraordinary. If they werent then your line would have died off at some point

[@cak813]

@@oddursigurdsson9637 Thanks for your kind words. You know what it is? I’m in several genealogy groups on Facebook and I get sick of hearing (delusional) people making all kinds of claims that they’re related to royalty, Presidents, actors, people on the Mayflower, etc. Some of them may be (I know it takes a great deal of documentation to become a member of the Mayflower Society or a Son or Daughter of the Revolution) but even if they are, does that make them a better person? It merely gives them bragging rights for a few seconds. Last year, I discovered that a great-grand uncle on my father’s side of the family had fought (for the Union) in the Civil War. I was beyond thrilled. He had only come to the US from Germany two years before and he was 21 when he signed up to join the infantry in April 1861. He was wounded at the Second Battle of Bull Run in August 1862 and he was honorably discharged in December 1862. If he had been a general, I couldn’t be prouder of him. If someone has proof of their lineage, I love hearing about it. It’s the fanciful stories I object to.

[@קעז-מענטש]

Charlemagne's heir being King Charles is a crazy plot twist.

[@pamelah6431]

Hardly. 😄

[@goofygrandlouis6296]

He better not start another 100 years' war, and burn innocent teenage maidens.

[@filippoorologio6777]

I think what is most fascinating is that one of Charlemagne's greatest feats was that he indirectly seeded multiple kingdoms, each that would become as great as his own. It may not have been a single grand empire, but I feel that to have your lineage grow up to become many separate kingdoms is more valuable to lay claim on.

[@oddursigurdsson9637]

Didn't his sons instantly begin warring with each other over the spoils once he died? Idk if that was so great of him

[@m3rrys0ngstr3ss]

Apparently my great-great-aunt had done the chart that traced us back to the man himself, but after she passed, no one could find it! I just accept that he's the father of Europe as we know it and go from there.

[@suzzanahbessette6989]

I've traced my family back as well. If you can go back enough just to find a titled European in your tree, just follow them and they will get you there 😁

[@marknum545]

mathematically speaking everybody today, who is of European ancestry is related to Charlesmagne

[@Sedgewise47]

@@marknum545 🤔…I’m married to a European, so-does that mean I’m related to Charlemagne too?(!)….

[@micha2909]

@@Sedgewise47 At least you married into a branch of his dynasty ;) and your children will be his fully legitimate descendants. :D

[@Magic-mystery-man]

@@marknum545 This is an often repeated claim, but a false one, as it is only based on the maths of a clean blood-line. This does not factor in cousin marriages or incest. For instance: from Charles II of Spain back to Philip I of Castile = 5 male ancestors, but 7 female. Besides, I like to believe there are more descendants from Windukind, the Saxon king, then from Charlemagne.

[@omeramitai2593]

Been here since 50,000 subscribers and watched every single video ever uploaded. Always wondered how it is possible the best channel on youtube is short of one million, and the day has finally come. Two years, 4 charts bought, three charts made, three social medias where i follow and 950,000 subscribers later, matt you are amazing!

[@dracodis]

I'm doubtful if it was ever an actual law, but as the Holy Roman Emperor was tied in concept (and, at least originally, in authority) to the Roman Catholic Church, wouldn't a Protestant heir be cut off from succession in much the same way a Catholic Windsor would be cut off from succeeding to the throne of the U.K.?

[@riograndedosulball248]

I imagine exactly the same thing. He played fast with the rules to get the Queen as senior heir, which 1- she isn't, and 2- a protestant couldn't claim succession to a title that was bestowed by the papacy, thus, any claim of heirship coming from the house of Wettin would be illegitimate

[@stephenlewis4197]

it's hard to say considering this is before the great schism, let alone the reformation personally I say no considering this is still about the most senor heir to Charlemagne, and not the most legitimate claimant to Holy Roman Emperor

[@dracodis]

@@stephenlewis4197 Ach! You're right; I conflated "heir to Charlemagne" and "Holy Roman Emperor," which are not the same thing. My apologies.

[@sethn1094]

@@riograndedosulball248 "Defender of the Faith" was a title given by the reigning Pope to Henry VIII which was passed on to the present day despite the Anglican schism.

[@christinemuschiato5895]

kent was cut off succession

[@ceye6322]

Came across this video just when Charles had been proclaimed King. Wow.

[@dianespears6057]

My brain exploded about half way through, but it was a fun ride through so much history. Thank you so much for an understandable view of extensive complexity.

[@PriestOfFilm]

Charlemagne: "I spill the blood of Saxon men." Charles Windsor: *incoherently talking to his pot plants*

[@zuri2002]

Hey, maybe he's only incoherent to humans, maybe his plants understand him perfectly well.

[@Zadir09]

😂

[@SamAronow]

Congratulations, my friend!

[@JakeTheGenealogist]

Congrats Matt and the rest of the UsefulCharts team! You definitely deserve this achievement

[@BoyProdigyX]

This was great... the ending made me laugh. Especially now!

[@tuttifruttianya3761]

Brilliant, you deserve this 1m subscriptions and much more!

[@royaltyfandomx]

Thank you! Congratulations on 1M Subscribers! I'm really inspired by your work too! Well Done :)

[@italomarsano9362]

Congratulations Matt, well deserved, your KZbin channel is fantastic

[@AlvinZorDi]

What happened to Alfonso VI? Isn't he the most senior legitimate male heir, regardless of whether Beatrice inherited the Countess of Burgundy title?

[@avantelvsitania3359]

It was Alfonso VII, by the way. Alfonso VI was the father of his mother Urraca .

[@ms_scribbles]

@@avantelvsitania3359 And good lord are they fun to play in CK3. Urraca's a dirty girl (so is Alfonso, but as I was playing him, I tried to get him to end what they were doing), but damn she's clever.

[@tc2334]

I rolled my eyes so hard as soon as he said "Saxe-Coburg and Gotha". What an unexciting end. lol

[@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming]

Me too. Unless you are British or in one of the Kingdoms, that nugget would fly right past the rest of the world.

[@tc2334]

@@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming I was hoping for it to be someone else of some minor royal family somewhere and to learn something new about that family, but no, of course is the British Royal family. I mean, how could it not be? 😒

[@Nebulaofthenorth]

im sure if you looked you would find some way to connect habsburgs or someone else as claimants with weaker claim but nonetheless claim still to the title

[@StefanMilo]

Wow 1 million! That’s insane

[@UsefulCharts]

Thanks buddy!

[@duchessnoor]

Matt, you are the one who sparked my interest in genealogy and it is amazing to see you hit 1 million! Congratulations!

[@IamMrLebanon]

Congratulations on the 1 million subscribers ! It's very well deserved ! It's obvious a ton of work goes into making these charts and videos! This is such a fascinating channel ! Seeing this many people take can interest in what is often very old history is quite satisfying for a history enthusiast such a myself ! Thank you for all that you do in sharing that knowledge with us !

[@erikperik1671]

16:25 why do you suddenly follow male-preference primogeneture and not salic law? I think at this point you should continue with Alfonso VI instead of Beatrice.

[@m4lteas3]

It was obvious he was rooting for Elizabeth II

[@l4nd3r]

Because salic law ignores cousins unless semi-salic doesn't get any legit heir.

[@ace_bean7011]

he said because most other monarchies did follow male preference primogeneture so it would make sense that they would change the law according to what most monarchies did at that point. But it would've been SO interesting to see the other line as well! I hope there will be a second part!

[@oleryhlolsson5250]

@@ace_bean7011 Male preference primogeneture wasn't in much practice in the German states, they used Salic law, so this argument seem rather hollow.

[@Lord_Raymund]

Because Alfonso VI had no surviving sons, so her line was more senior?

[@jonshadit]

Fascinating! Thank you for this production! Just received my chart from dear Canadian friend Theo A. who is royalty in my book!

[@flickcentergaming680]

This went in all kinds of wacky directions! Great video.

[@NiamhCreates]

What a fun topic! Congratulations on 1 million!

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

The Queen: “Oh yes, it’s all coming together.”

[@thomasdixon4373]

Congrats on 1 million, u deserve it and what a fantastic video to celebrate!

[@ChantalMonette]

I actually didn't think it was going to end up where it did! I could tell you had a lot of fun with this one! thanks !

[@smallpiper2]

Charles has a casus beli to conquer france and Germany and most of italy. Nice.

[@cleansingflame9335]

This is one of my all-time favorite YT channels! Nice job!

[@michaelblog3402]

I'm so glad for you, that you reached one million. I live watching your videos, they are so interesting and amazingly researched

[@VeracityLH]

That was an amazing chart. What a way to celebrate a million subscribers and Elizabeth II's 70 years on the throne!

[@giovanniscott5455]

I just looked up Semi Salic law the position can be passed down to a female. Although the female's son will inherit the title. Therefore this is a whole heap CROC OF SHIT. Therefore if you rewatch this fake video propaganda for British Royalty. You will notice rventhough they say they was doing semi salic law, which can be passed down to a daughter although her son would inherit the title. This means my family could be the Senoor Heir of Charlemagbe. If you watch this video again you will see they skipped Lothaiir I daughter Ermangarde of Lower Lorraine. Which means it would go to Rainier I of Lorraine. Thus means the Senior Heir of Charlemagne would be from a descendant of Zachary Taylor the 12th President of the United States. Which is scary because he is my 2nd Generation Great Grandfather.

[@VeracityLH]

You need to read more history. The meaning if Salic and semi-Salic law changed over the centuries and was applied differently in different countries and at different times. Not to mention of the law of Greater Army Diplomacy. Unfortunately, might often made right. Otherwise there's a guy living in Canada who might have been King of England.

[@charliedegiulio9951]

What if they took this chart and continued it all the way to today?

[@lyledavis819]

As soon as you hit the Electors of Saxony, I knew where it would end, but very informative. Thank you.

[@phosphoros60]

Me, at the beginning of the video: "It's the British, isn't it? No, that doesn't make sense, they're Saxon, how would that work?" Me now: *surprised Pikachu face

[@puernatura8998]

Sorry, why did the line go through Beatrice's line, and not Alfonso's? Salic law forbids it going through a woman, and Semi-Salic is only used when Salic runs out of males.

[@untruelie2640]

Yes, I thought that as well. In this case, the current "rightful heir" would be Karl of Habsburg(-Lorraine). Technically, he is an agnatic member of the House of Châtenois-Vaudémont, which is one of the oldest agnatic noble houses in Europe.

[@nicks5636]

@@untruelie2640 He is an agnatic descendant of the Etichonid/Habsburg dynasty, from which the House of Habsburg and the House of Châtenois/Lorraine are descended. That's one, if not the main reason for why the children of Maria Theresa kept calling themselves Habsburgs. Charles VI of the HRE (Maria Theresa's father) searched for the true genealogy of Francis of Lorraine, discovering that the House of Lorraine and the House of Habsburgs were agnatically the same house. Many historians say that the House of Lorraine is actually descended from the Gerardides, but the Lorraines haplogroup contradicts that. If they were descendants of the Gerardides, their haplogroup would be common in northern Europe instead of being common in southwest Germany and Switzerland (Alemannic-speaking regions). That's why I stick with the Historians that claim that they descend from the Etichonids, because the Etichonids were from Alsace (an Alemannic region), and Lorraines being ancestors of Alemannics while having an alemannic haplogroup has sense.

[@untruelie2640]

@@nicks5636 I'm not sure about that. As far as I know, written evidence only points to a descendancy of the House of Châtenois from the Gerardides/Gerhardines. The genetic factor isn't a watertight proof, since it only describes broad categories. The first Gerardides were counts in a number of regions (Paris, Toulouse, Angoulême, Metz) and in carolingian times, fiefdoms were only given out for a lifetime; the vassals also came often from very distant parts of the realm, so we can't be sure were the Gerardides really originated from. Also, the common heritage thing seems to be a little bit TOO convenient. It suited the needs of the Habsburgs perfectly, because it meant that their dynasty nominally wasn't wiped out. Thanks to this "fitting discovery", they effectively absorbed the House of Vaudémont instead of it absorbing them. Also, the connection between the Etichonids and the Habsburgs is unreliable at best.

[@nicks5636]

@@untruelie2640 The thing is that there is no written evidence pointing to a descendancy of the House of Châtenois from the Gerardides/Gerhardines, neither to the Etichonid Dynasty. The main argument for the Historians that claim that Lorraines descend from the Gerardides is the name "Gerard", while the main claims for the Historians that claim that Lorraines descend from the Etichonids are: the close relatives of the founder of the House of Lorraine used "d'Alsace" as surname, implying descendance from the Etichonids (rulers of Alsace); and a letter from 1038 of Remiremont abbey that says that Gerard's father was Count of Alsace (implying descendance from the Etichonids again). To all of this add the haplogroup that matches the Etichonids (the origin of the Gerardides is known, and it is northern Francia, they ruled in Paris and even in Normandy before getting Metz, so it can't match with them).

[@Magic-mystery-man]

@@untruelie2640 From Eticho I come the counts in the Nordgau, then Lancelin of the Breisgau, from who the counts of the Klettgau descend, and from them the house of Habsburg.

[@Piperdogloveshats]

Congrats on hitting a million!! And thank you for never disappointing!! This was a fun 1!! I was really into it.

[@GeorgiaGrown90]

Charlemagne is my 43rd great grandfather and it was actually by happy accident that I discovered this. I LOVE watching the show "who do you think you are". My jaw DROPPED when in Cindy Crawford's episode they started talking about my 11th great grandfather Thomas Trowbridge. and they traced his ancestry all the way back to Charlemagne. Great video!

[@magister343]

@L-Goldwood All of them. Every human being is a family member if you go distant enough.

[@retroactivejealousy-worldl1805]

Did you come across an ancestor called Sir Guy de Bryan by any chance?

[@ipiepiepiei9550]

Your majesty 🤴

[@mamavswild]

Every European has Charlemagne for a 43rd Great grandfather 😂 (or 41,42,44 depending on your individual age)

[@kingbluefield1087]

@@retroactivejealousy-worldl1805 he is in my ancestry

[@man-observing-world]

Great pacing, was fun to watch!

[@fluffymitten]

Now King Charles III - what a lot of videos to update!

[@Nooticus]

Congratulations on 1 million! I've been here for since when you first became popular! Truly one of the most engaging channels on youtube! Thanks again!

[@funnysarcasticguy7388]

I feel like there should be a different ending to this. King Edward VII gave away all his patrilineal succesion rights to his brother, Alfred, the Duke of Saxe-coburg and gotha ( 2nd son of Queen Victoria ). Hence he should be the rightful heir and not Edward. Since Alfred's son died without heir, by the semi salic law, his oldest daughter ( Queen Marie, the Queen of Romania) gets to pass it to her son King Carol II of Romania. Who then passes to his son, King Michael I of Romania ( who has no sons and his oldest daughter is childless) , whose 2nd daughter ( Princess Elena of Romania) passes it to her son, Mr. Nicholas Medforth-Mills. ( who is considered the heir to the pretender of the Romanian crown) So the Succesion should be 1. Alfred, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha 2. King Carol II of Romania ( via his mother Queen Marie) 3. King Michael I of Romania 4. Mr. Nicholas Medforth-Mills.

[@tuplat5107]

And also "No woman shall succeed in Salic land.” So nobody in the whole line of Beatrice countess of Burgundy has any claim.

[@selahanany5645]

@@tuplat5107 He was going by semi salic

[@stephaniejane306]

@@tuplat5107 he was going by semi salic law and then he explained that once it was common for male preference primogeniture he went by that.

[@jefferym3366]

​@@tuplat5107 That does not discount the woman's line. It just means on the face of it upon the death of the Heir woman are treated as dead. Salic law did not exclude women's until the french did not want the english monarch to have any claim to the throne. It originally was like male-preference primogenture, with woman disqualified for succussion like a british dynast taking catholic communion, which does not disqualify their children, present or future.

[@nd2997]

Just no! Saxe-Coburg were junior line of Wettins. Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar were senior line. This video just tried to point it to the Coburg to get to Elizabeth who still wont be heir it would be her male cousin.

[@colinbarthel]

Love the channel and the history! It also has motivated me to research my family history, which has started a whole new hobby. Thanks for all the great content!

[@colinbarthel]

Also just bought the chart and am happy I got it in time!

[@ErnestoCisnerosRivera]

Recently, KZbin offered me this video, which I so truly enjoyed it. Fantastic work, Matt! Of course, you are counting with a new suscriber. Warm greetings from Yucatán, Mexico.

[@brianhanna7337]

Thank you , that was fun.

[@thedemongodvlogs7671]

Congratulations Matt! I love this channel, you always make great interesting and quality content. I am looking forward to receiving my Carolingian Dynasty chart!

[@QUIRK1019]

Hey congrats on this milestone! You do good work!

[@globalSchelmuffsky]

thank you, Matt & Co! your videos are legit university grade lectures! but also the "intellectual dessert" of the week, to me 😂 keep up the good work!

[@prefeitogustavo124]

wow I was shocked when you said Albert was Queen Victoria's Albert!!! I couldn't have imagined he was the most senior heir of Charlemagne! And neither couldn't Victoria and Albert probably 😂

[@gengis737]

The male branch became king of Castile and Leon. But let's forget about them and develop only the female branch leading, what a surprise, to the king of England. Edit: you made a second video, of the same high quality, discussing also Spain, Prussia, Bavaria and an Australian DJ. Many thanks.

[@morningstar724]

I'm from South East Asia (Sabah,Malaysia) and its fun to know about European Royalties,I hope soon this channel can make about Borneo royalties too or ancient kingdom here😊

[@KarabauPlay]

Suluk rules sabah

[@yrobtsvt]

Seems like a fun weekend project, I can try to make a chart

[@GlizzyGoblin757]

i hope they dont because i dont care about malaysia 😊👍

[@Angel33Demon666]

Wait, what about the Alfonso VI of Castile and Leon? Where does that line lead? That line should have seniority over Beatrice of Burgundy.

[@valentinmitterbauer4196]

By this time the old salic way of succession was replaced by the male *preferenced* primogeniture, which means that if you (the king) have no sons the title doesn't go to your brother, but your oldest daughter, even if she has no son at the time. Only if you have no children at all your brother would inherit the title. If they kept the old way of succession, then the title of "most senior heir of Charlemagne" would go with the title of King of Castille. Here things get tricky a few generations down, when Alfonso XI wasn't able to father a legitimate, but his title got inherited by his oldest illegimate son. Eventually the crown of castille would end up on the head of the Habsburg kings. So the title of "most senior heir of Charlemagne" would belong to Karl Habsburg, today's head of the Habsburg family. But only if we ignored the change in succession law.

[@loislewis5229]

Congratulations on reaching 1M subscribers 🎉 Loved the surprise ending. I have your book, several other charts and now I’m adding this newest chart to my collection. I love history and am teaching my grandchildren to appreciate it too, as they are also descended from Charlemagne.

[@susanharris9734]

Congratulations! Well done.

[@DavidSmith-yu3mc]

Love your channel!! I just ordered five of your charts from your website. Am looking forward to them arriving! Thank you!

[@razzmatazz1974]

Love your videos! im Argentinian and interested in genealogy. Since all my great grandparents and my grandmother were European, i would love to see a video on their areas of origin: Flanders, Brittany and Asturias. A video about Pelayo would be great!

[@tellthemborissentyou]

I think you missed at the end. George VI had two daughters (the Queen and Princess Margaret) so it would go to George VI's younger brother Prince Henry Duke of Gloucester and his son Richard.

[@jayit6851]

I believe semi-salic law jumps to a grandson before it goes to a brother.

[@piratesswoop725]

@@jayit6851 Is there any country where this has been applied? Russia used semi-Salic law, but the sons of Grand Duchess Xenia, who would have been female-line grandsons of Alexander III and the closest living male heirs to Nicholas II, were passed over in favor Grand Duke Kirill, of the son of Alexander III's brother. Same in Hannover, Victoria would have been the closest female heir to William, but was passed over in favor of a brother. Wiki's description of the law is thus: "The so-called Semi-Salic version of succession order stipulates that firstly all-male descendance is applied, including all collateral male lines; but if all such lines are extinct, then the closest female agnate (such as a daughter) of the last male holder of the property inherits, and after her, her own male heirs according to the Salic order." "all collateral male lines" seems to indicate to me that ALL male dynasts must be exhausted before a woman or her heirs can succeed.

[@tellthemborissentyou]

@lex ora No they are proper royalty because they don't bow down to a pope.

[@ninjasiren]

Congrats to 1 million! 🎉❤️ I am from the Philippines, my parents relatives directs back to Europe. My mother side, I have a Spanish grandfather. While on my father side, I have a British relatives through American relatives, and a possible Spanish relatives as well. I do have Chinese and/or Japanese relatives as well.

[@revinhatol]

I'm Filipino, too. And my ancestry is Chinese/Bikolano/Ilokano on my father's side and Kapampangan/Ilokano/Bisaya/Waray on my mother's side.

[@baberoot1998]

That...is incredible!

[@martinrivera6770]

This is the best definition of “what goes around, comes around”

[@oswinaltava]

Congrats on hitting a million, very well earned, your videos got me back into my interest in history!

[@jasoncowley4718]

I'm Charlemagne's 35th great grandson with 73,645 different paths to get there according to wikitree's relationship finder. Yep anyone with a whiff of European ancestry will be a descendant. Congrats on the 1 million subs Matt, you deserve it!

[@erc621]

Hello my dear greatgreatcousin

[@NomisSanguine]

I'd always been tempted to buy a chart from you, but never really knew which one. Now I have no more excuses to not buy one! I've ordered my limited edition chart - can't wait to get it and THANK YOU sir for serving humanity in the way you do!

[@hamburgerhamburgerv2]

now Charles has become king. *The prophecy has been fulfilled.*

[@jillfarley520]

I love listening to you! You have a nice voice!

[@RobertMihalache]

Well done mate 👏 Thanks a lot for doing so many interesting videos. I watch your videos and they are great. Your hard work doing them videos is amazing. Congratulations 👏

[@cleansingflame9335]

Wouldn't they have switched to the Duke of Gloucester after George VI's death? Semi-Salic law only applied when there were no male heirs. Actually, I think it would've gone to Ernest Augustus after William IV's death, leaving Charlemagne's titles to the current Prince of Hanover, Ernst August.

[@LVRugger]

The title came to the British family through Albert, not Victoria. I do think that the Duke of Gloucester would have been the heir to George, but Matt has played a bit loose with switching from Salic to Semi-Salic throughout the chart.

[@cleansingflame9335]

@@LVRugger Oh yeah that's right. So Prince Richard would be the senior heir then.

[@zoeharris883]

Prince Charles was 6 when George VI died so he’d still be heir tho

[@cleansingflame9335]

@@zoeharris883 Right but the lone would only pass to a cognatic grandson if there weren't any agnates, which there were

[@l4nd3r]

@@cleansingflame9335 He also considered title seniority i think

[@mikeross641]

Great video but I would think it would go to the descendants of the Castile -Leon line.

[@dscottsw1]

What a fascinating little video. Thanks.

[@Re-Booter]

Charlemange is my 34th great grandfather, and my line continued through Berengar 1 and 2.

[@alejandrogabriel9126]

Congratulations Mark! I wonder if there are direct decensdants of Charlemagne, all by patrilineal line, even considering illegitimate sons. Like if there is a possibility to trace the Y chromosome of Charlemagne.

[@kolomaznik333]

Most direct descedants of Charlemagne is head of house of Hesse. Only one female in whole way. So Y chromosome ends with counts of Louven.

[@KartovOndulevitch]

@@kolomaznik333 on wiki, the ancestor of counts of Louven aren't related to Charlemagne

[@kolomaznik333]

@@KartovOndulevitch Well, you maybe should check it one more time... (also wikipedia cannot be taken as beacon of truth, but in this case info is there on wiki). Gisilbert took as wife Imrgarde daughter of Lothar, grandson of Charlemagne. They had son Reginar.Ancestor of house reginar -> Louvain -> brabant -> hesse. House of Hesse is also male line descendants of Gerbera of Lorraine (mother of Lambert II count of Louvain) male line granddaughter of Louis IV of France himself great-grandson of Charlemagne.

[@neutralboi1984]

Most people in Europe are desendents of him

[@kolomaznik333]

@@neutralboi1984 Like Charlemagne? it is more like a wish than reality...

[@nightsurvivor3673]

Great Video! I would not have expected Prince Charles to be his heir all this time later. However, I do think there was a different way the heirship should've gone. At 16:19 , I think the title should have passed to Alfonso VI of Castile and León. Yes the title could pass by Semi-Salic law to Henry VI of Germany through Beatrice, but Semi-Salic law was only meant to be implemented when there were no other male heirs. Alfonso VI and his descendants should've been heirs to Charlemagne first before the Beatrice line. You could make another interesting video on this one as well, as they've had their fair share of Queens, periods with Salic law, and Carlism later. TLDR: I think Junior Male line > Senior Female line according to Salic law.

[@ByzantineDarkwraith]

I was thinking this... any idea if they have living descendants? Do the Spanish Bourbons descend from them through a woman or two?

[@MPIO2023]

The King of Spain is the real heir. Matt just wanted to play because he is an Anglo. 😂

[@angusyang5917]

If we go down Alfonso VI's line, the heir would be Karl von Habsburg.

[@MPIO2023]

@@angusyang5917 Wrong, the senior is Charles I king of Spain and V HRE. Felipe II his son is the senior one, not his brother Thus the Habsburg - Lothringen is not senior but FELIPE VI is the most senior. The only one who can fight The title is Louis XX de Bourbon, the chief of the Capet dynasty and the head of the House of Bourbon

[@Xerxes2005]

​@@ByzantineDarkwraith From what I read, Philip V of Spain got his legitimacy from his grand-mother Maria Theresa, wife of Louis XIV of France and daughter of Philip IV of Spain, of the House of Habsburg. Her ancestor Charles V got the throne of Spain through his mother Joanna the Mad, who descends from Alfonso VII (not VI, as it is written in the chart) from both her parents, Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile. If I read correctly, then King Felipe VI of Spain should be considered Charlemagne's heir. Although Luis Alfonso de Bourbon is actually the senior member of House Bourbon, so maybe he should be considered Charlemagne's heir. The legitimists consider that he has the best claim to the throne of France.

[@tafanoprussiano]

Frederick II regarded his son Manfred as legitimate (he was a natural child, but Frederick probably married his mother, Bianca Lancia, many years after his birth). Manfred became king of Italy after Conradin and his daughter married king Peter III of Aragon. Their sons Alfonso and, later, James became the following two kings of Aragon. So the heir of Charlemagne could be Felipe VI. Ironic: Spain was the only country which Charlemagne failed to conquer.

[@darthparallax5207]

Spain is also where the Bourbons take you. Spain is also a major theater for the Bonapartists. The Spanish Empire also ruled more of the New World than any other government in history, Indigenous or European. If you manage to unite the Spanish, British, and French Empires at their greatest extents together...... Well you basically get NATO lol.

[@gm2407]

​@@darthparallax5207Does Nato have the steam achievement though?

[@andrewsalmon100]

I received my signed numbered poster. Very nice Matt.

[@CarthagoMike]

I actually wrote a paper on the Ernestiner and Albertiner saxon dynasties in university a couple of years back. It is really crazy how a different interpretation and practice of primogeniture by the two houses created two very different related dynasties.

[@Giggidygiggidy12]

This type of work is an art form🎭 well done. And the lesson here folks is, being King is detrimental to your livelihood

[@tuplat5107]

Did the Carolingians not follow agnatic primogeniture? If we assume the seniority of emperor Berengar I's female line over all the other female lines of the Carolingian dynasty then the heir would have been king Alfonso VII of Castille and Leon and his descendants and not the Hofenstaufens. There for the heir of Charles the great is either prince Louis Alphonse de Bourbon or prince Karl von Habsburg-Lorraine. And since the Carolingians used the male only primogeniture I think the Habsburg has the better claim.

[@tuplat5107]

"No woman shall succeed in Salic land.” -Shaekespeare

[@l4nd3r]

No, it was salic law. Which ignores Cousins if semi-salic can be applied.

[@tuplat5107]

@@l4nd3r According the Edward III interpretation you are correct. But in reality female line descendants are to be considert only when the male line has died out complitely (including cousins). And also when male line dies out, only the sons and sometimes husbands of women are to be considert, as Shaekespeare wrote "no woman shall succeed in salic land".

[@MPIO2023]

Nice trick, but according to your own Chart the house of Bourbon is the senior heir of Charlemagne, thus the King of Spain is the heir descendant of Bourbon and Habsburgs and basically from almost all royal houses. It is either Felipe VI OR LOUIS XX of France.

[@ruibeto]

I was thinking exactly that 🤔, I imagine is Louis Alphonse de Bourbon duke D'Anjou the cousin of the king of Spain.

[@enriquematorrasmunoz9753]

Not Felipe VI because of semi salic law, so it would be the carlists claimants

[@MPIO2023]

@@enriquematorrasmunoz9753 it would be but the Carlist claimant is extinct

[@maarysb26]

That video is about de most senior heir (by blood) not the person who would be holy Roman emperor today

[@MPIO2023]

@@maarysb26 I talking about the chart.

[@katerinaglushak4563]

Thank you so much for the VERY interesting research, explaining for me the choice of name for the new king of GB!!

[@nct948]

excellent! much fun. Thanks for this summary.

[@EpicnessYeet]

Congrats on the 1 million subs, you deserve it as you have learned me about family trees i never knew i needed to learn about! Also, Louis III's death is really funny, he was riding on his horse in a forest during what i think was a hunting trip and he encountered a girl walking in the forest, Louis III was a simp and immediately began chasing the girl on his horse while she fled to her father's house, and while he was chasing the girl Louis did not notice a door which had a really high lintel and he hit his head on the lintel and from the impact he fell on the floor unconscious and was shortly after dead from the brain damage. This guy was a huge simp.

[@Sabersquirl]

I don’t think trying to rape a peasant makes him a “simp”

[@jmulvey371]

Congratulations Matt! You provide a fascinating brand of history, presented professionally and impeccably researched. You've earned your success, and deserve even more in the future.

[@m4lteas3]

It was clear from the start that you wanted Queen Elizabeth to appear as if she’s the most senior line but she isn’t. Sorry

[@MPIO2023]

She is not, it is King Felipe VI of Spain according to his chart... he just wanted to play as he said. Also Saxe Coburg and Gotha is not the most senior of Wettin, it is Saxe Weimar Eisenach. EVEN Saxe Meiningen is more senior. He did it all wrong.

[@bingbongmcgee]

I remember from other videos that all Europeans are direct descendants of Charlemagne, this video provides a great distinction that there are no remaining direct male line heirs of Charlemagne. Good to know! I personally only know up to my great grandparents as far as my family tree is concerned, but I know my ancestors came from Ireland, England, I believe Germany, and some Native American as well... I would love to know if there was a method to directly trace my lineage past a hundred years ago or so. I don't know why I find it so interesting, maybe just thinking about if I existed in royal times what family or families I would be a part of! Or possibly if I am a direct descendant of any group today.