Using AI to solve complex problems | Gemini

[@kinlearn]

Waiting a crisp "Code Report" from Fireship 🔥

[@jbrenes]

YES!!! specially the part about liking trains 🤣

[@yash_693]

Lmao I was thinking the same.. 😂😂

[@r1jsheth]

feel the agi

[@Feel_theagi]

What did Ilya see!

[@IN-pr3lw]

​@@Feel_theagiit's inside of us. Internally

[@preetham973]

Feel the agi

[@Astro.004]

Not yet

[@kaio0777]

@@IN-pr3lw I want to know so bad too

[@craftmechanics6483]

The problem showed in the video is from CodeTON Round 4 which was held 8 months ago. There are video editorials on KZbin explaining it which are most definitely in its training data. They need to test these models with original problems which don't already have solutions in the training data...

[@Cagrst]

They specifically said it is not in the training data, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say they didn’t lie in an incredibly provable way 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@craftmechanics6483]

I rewatched the video and couldn't find a mention of the training data. Could you please provide a timestamp?

[@maneshipocrates]

They sadly think it may work on its own. There are lots of biases

[@Lalit-yw2tb]

Yes, this is incredibly important point to highlight. This is also why GPT-4 fails to solve any problems which are out of its training data for Leetcode, this was a very popular find in the early months of this year when GPT-4 was announced and everybody was testing its limits.

[@edoardobruzzese98]

@@craftmechanics6483 3:58 he mention that he can do all that on problems that never see before so should we blindly trust him ? I don't know but I guess the future will say it :)

[@caelen_c]

Can't wait to use this in my projects

[@LAinLA86]

When are they going to releasse it? Im dying to get this, Ill pay whatever it takes!

[@Google]

Excited to see all the helpful ways you use Gemini Pro with Bard 💪

[@arunraju9705]

Cant wait because you wont be relevant once everyone starts using it?

[@Niblss]

lmao, it will do "your" projects.

[@vectoralphaSec]

If companies and corporations look at your "projects" as a way of determining you are good at programming or capable to do the job in order to get hired, but all your projects are done with AI or substantially by AI will it even matter anymore for getting hired? If i have 100 projects that are really good on my GitHub and all are made by AI or with the help of AI and i could not do them on my own without AI then will the company still hire me based on my projects and experience? Yet again if AI exists that can write code better than 90% of all programmers on Earth then why hire more programmers when you can have a smaller team and automate the job of thousands saving money and making more profit for the company. There are so many questions to answer over the coming years with this improved and capable tech.

[@saiphaneeshk.h.5482]

This is what I wanted, let's hope they have gotten better in helping to code more efficiently and accurately

[@LAinLA86]

Its pretty disturbing it doesnt work for Javascript since that's one of, if not the most popular language today

[@Niblss]

You wanted to be obsolete? Weird

[@rockokechukwu3343]

Does it mean it's usually correct but doesn't strive for efficient and robust code?

[@RonnieBanerjee007]

​​@@LAinLA86 javascript shouldn't exist. Javascript is a menace.

[@chickenlin]

then you need another ai to debug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@franciscogeiman1776]

It would be nice to have a codeforces rating for the bot, maybe making it an official participant in contents from now on?

[@udaykadam5455]

Where these models from different organisations compete

[@Sh4b4n]

Imagine how beneficial would be a more generalized version of Gemini to individuals with vision impairment. This may open the door and allow a new generation of biomedical devices that enable them to experience a sense of spatial awareness by navigating their surroundings with unprecedented autonomy (guided by a continuous stream of auditory information about obstacles, potential hazards, and so on).

[@Danuxsy]

Each person should have an AI that can hear what you hear and see what you see all the time, in this way the AI knows everything you know, it know when you last ate, what you ate, it know about that meeting your coworker talked about, etc... this would be revolutionary if implemented IRL. You wouldn't need a Calendar to keep track of things, the AI does it for you. You don't need to look up recipies, the AI does it for you, it even guides you when you're making it in real-time! THIS is the future I want. and imagine how much DATA and statistics you could gather from a person, what sites they are browsing, how often they stay on them, what stores they visit, what they buy, literally your entire life can be tracked, what you talk about in conversations, who your friends are... ALL OF IT !!! Google Deepmind make it happen ASAP. I want an AI available to me 24/7, I want it to wake me up in the morning, tell me what to eat, what to wear, what to do (based on all my history)!!!!! the point is to NEVER be disconnected from the systems, i don't want to have to take up my phone to interact with my AI, it should constantly be involved in my life and improve it at every turn.

[@ashutoshsamantaray6596]

We don't need gemini to do that, we already have stuff in computer vision that can help blind people in a much better way.

[@BarnoBarno-jp2ks]

@@ashutoshsamantaray6596 gemini can give far more context than typical object detection ,not to mention explaining what's happening rather than just pointing out what's out there

[@haroldpierre1726]

Although I am not a programmer, I have utilized GPT-4 for my projects in Google Apps Script. GPT-4 is not without its flaws and I will get stuck from time to time. I am hopeful that Gemini will address and rectify the issues I've encountered with GPT-4.

[@thiagofelizola]

me too

[@TheWizardsTales]

I know Bard isn't Gemini, but with the new Gemini architecture update, I just showed it my Unity C# script for my tank controller that GPT4 wrote (that works perfectly, BTW) and it told me that it was just a large language model and couldn't help me with that.

[@haroldpierre1726]

@@TheWizardsTales Well, that's why Google needs to get Gemini out to the public so with feedback, they can make their platform better.

[@Zero11_ss]

@@TheWizardsTales I dont think they pushed the update to bard yet if thats what you used

[@bashvim]

@@TheWizardsTales Same here. Bard is as useless as it was before the update!

[@sauravroy3420]

Well, Its official, The ride is over boys. It was fun While it Lasted. I'm gonna move to the woods in a log cabin with four hens and a Cow. ~ Indian coder

[@Bharat_Rider]

😂😂

[@junkoe3808]

it was trained on codeforce problems. it has the same implementation as it appears in some codeforces submission.

[@QueenLover-j5i]

- Understand Gemini's capabilities ([0:09]) - Recognize improvement over PaLM 2 models ([0:21]) - Consider Gemini's self-checking feature ([0:36]) - Explore AlphaCode2's performance in competitive programming ([1:55]) - Evaluate the use of dynamic programming by AlphaCode2 ([2:57]) - Acknowledge the collaboration between AI and human coders ([4:06])

[@torarinvik4920]

I am really excited about this. Hope it really does outperform GPT-4 turbo in coding. GPT-4 turbo does not always do a good job, and has a tendency to make small mistakes, just like us humans.

[@starship3812]

Bro listen gemini ultra is better at python code than gpt 4 but gpt 4 turbo is still better than gemini ultra python code capabilities. Gpt4 turbo is 94.2% vs gemini ultra 93.2% vs gpt 4 91%. I think u need to wait for GPT 5 when all these problems will be sorted out in 2 yrs.

[@torarinvik4920]

@@starship3812 Sad but true :(

[@wale7342]

This is truly the gap between this incoming model, and GPT for the ability to not only create an outline, but to create an actual working prototype is something that GPT four can’t/won’t do

[@starship3812]

But gpt 4 turbo is still better than gemini ultra

[@sanjayanps]

Future of programming for about 3-4 months - yes.

[@vectoralphaSec]

lol then after that AI does all the programming and programmers lose all their jobs.

[@vectoralphaSec]

@@RonakChatterjee65 I'm a programmer. I got my bachelor's in CS. And have been coding for 7 years. But I still want my field to be automated by AI.

[@huytech]

@@RonakChatterjee65keep dreaming

[@huytech]

Jealous? Lmao 🤣 all programmers I know are saying that there salaries have regressed back to the level of at least 5 years ago, and its just the beginning . None of them has half of my salary. Why do I have to be jealous?

[@huytech]

@@RonakChatterjee65 I learnt mechatronics at school, knowing both coding and mechanical design. Half of my class chose to go into the IT field after graduation. Now most of them are being laid off or having to work with super low salaries. I think I'll be safe until AI can go to the ocean and dig some oil for me.

[@wonerkang4034]

One of the problems with using GPT-4 is that the methods are limited. If you ask it to search for something that exists in the real world and create an image of it, it will always stay in the mold you created before and repeat your mistakes. Make a small improvement and GPT-4 moves on to another chapter, or make a small improvement and suddenly the paradigm shifts. Gemini hopes to avoid repeating these GPT-4 mistakes. I think Google has an advantage because they have years of experience data from tons of people, but as they say, with great expectations come great disappointments, so I will always look at GEMINI with a filter of caution.

[@joakimolovsson7310]

The code structure and style suggests its trained on codeforces submissions in the past. Would be interesting to see if any solutions from alphacode2 is significantly different from any top competitors or learning from them.

[@sourabhkhandelwal689]

Exactly! It's still impressive but can it perform the same in a live contest?

[@Yulenka-]

I wonder how good is this model at understanding various APIs the programmers code against, not just pure algorithms in a vacuum. This is a crucial factor for its application in practice to solving practical problems 🤔

[@MEGIDIOT]

These two engineers are working towards making themselves unemployed

[@RAMKUMARRAMESHR]

Thank you, Google, for enabling this achievement. It brings me great joy to share this success with everyone involved.

[@agh0x01]

Finally found the guy who does the narration for text to speech with a British accent!

[@gooel]

My son will be born in three months. I'm genuinely scared and hopeful for what kind of world he will grow up in.

[@mohamedel-sharkawy2206]

Perhaps the editorial for this problem was included in the training set. This problem is from the contest held in March 2023.

[@vectoralphaSec]

If programming jobs are not lost in the future they will at the very least definitely see a massive pay decrease.

[@Yulenka-]

OTOH, a technology like this, if deployed universally, will also bring an enormous amount of prosperity to the world. It's hard to say how these forces will play against each other.

[@Jaschka15]

i think the same. Tech Bros will have it hard there@himanshusharma6713

[@starship3812]

First define the future cuz future means you are talking about what future is it you are taking about near future means upto year 2030 then yes there will be going to massive decrease in software engineer salary but in long run by 2035/40 or so all software engineering task will be done by AI maybe requires very minimal human intervention at max.

[@starship3812]

​@himanshusharma6713First define the future cuz future means you are talking about what future is it you are taking about near future means upto year 2030 then yes there will be going to massive decrease in software engineer salary but in long run by 2035/40 or so all software engineering task will be done by AI maybe requires very minimal human intervention at max.

[@starship3812]

​@@20cmusicAI will do this even.

[@NathanHarrison7]

“Tomorrow today”. How very exciting.

[@priyankkumar1384]

What will be the accountability and ownership for the code generated by Gemini ? Who would be the actual owner ? The person writing the prompt or Google ? Also, Is it plagiarism-proof ?

[@n0madc0re]

critical question here.

[@y1.5]

Customer is the owner cuz we paying

[@h.c4898]

Depends on what licence your project is written on. Anyone can come up with lines of code.

[@Billythek]

When I want to go back again and then the algo just gave me this. Perfect!

[@TheAero]

Can we integrate with VScode fast easy and free?

[@smcheeto]

seriously impressive, and scary.

[@Neodynium.the_permanent_magnet]

...and that's only what we (are allowed to) know...

[@Kaish3k]

too bad that competitive programming is the wrong thing to optimize a general programming model for - 99.9% of real-world problems aren't close to what you see in competitive programming.

[@raffitchakmakjian]

This is the correct answer.

[@xtam]

Jst asked it to tell me how to update a jsonb field in psql, jst gave it database structure wid one data sample nd it said it doesnt have enough info, threw same prompt in gpt 3.5, nd it gave perfect response in one try Man u guys really need to improve urself

[@hammzii]

THANKS FOR TAKING MY JOB AWAY

[@patrik8641]

Will it be an official participant in Codeforces contests from now? Would be nice.

[@Bharat_Rider]

It's same like chess bots

[@Bharat_Rider]

Useless

[@patrik8641]

@@Bharat_Rider Not really. Just better than 85 %. I think that getting it to the top 100 % will be the greatest challenge.

[@vectoralphaSec]

Nah it wont be that much of a challenge. The pace of progress suggest it will reach 100% by June 2024.@@patrik8641

[@nnivo]

Plot twist - Gemini played all the actor roles too.

[@yaragonak]

Gabriela Surita, I admire her so much!

[@vazules]

It's so amazing :-) Software developing will be without prompt engineering knowledge more painfaul. You can write anything you want really and also a program in a new programming languages and you learn so much new more easily.

[@JBoy340a]

That is some deep reasoning on the approach to solve the problem.

[@dontwannabefound]

So for my Google interview I can just say let’s ask Gemini and it is acceptable ?

[@prakash_77]

Even existing models were good enough to clear Google interviews.

[@UNMEASURED100]

There will be no more interviews like that, rather they will look at your experience.

[@Niblss]

@@UNMEASURED100There will be no more interviews. period. You won't be need. For programming and virtually any other cognitive task. Start getting used to this fact

[@Neodynium.the_permanent_magnet]

The irony is that after AlphaCode2 is released, the codeforces average level will grow significantly and AC2 will yield a lower % 😉

[@Inckman452]

I can't wait to try this!

[@Google]

Excited for you! 🥳

[@OpMan-p6q]

what will be the future of the career of normal software developers?

[@Mario543212]

Thank god I didn't waste time to get good a programming.

[@Niblss]

This is not coming just for programming. You're not safe, no matter what it is you think you're good at . And no, the people who own stuff won't magically start caring about this Maybe realize you're in the same boat as the other 99.5% of the world instead of rejoicing on the problems of others you were previously jealous of.

[@Feooooooooooooooooon]

It is the most boring and annoying thing I've ever tried. Saying this as someone who loves computers.

[@chickenlin]

learn programming can still refine your thoughts to be more practical and logical

[@doordashtodaydoordashtoday]

say it like it is, programming is talking to a computer!!! This is getting us CLOSER! No one should need to learn a language to get the idea across this is what we NEED! Thank you so much!

[@TheWeekdaysChannel]

dude if you're not smart enough to learn a simple language to program you'll certainly not be smart enough to build anything valuable even with AI, just saying

[@doordashtodaydoordashtoday]

You have the wrong idea about me @@TheWeekdaysChannel

[@coderx1871]

Future of Programming jobs is in mass danger ! If you are student thinking of pursuing computer science be very very skeptical the era of fat paychecks and monsterous demand is gone. You will be stuck in a loophole of new technologies and LLMs and struggle to even get a entry level job, its already happening. The future of Comp Sci is extremely tough and complex, this field is gonna become the most complex field of all time.

[@UNMEASURED100]

Coders from 3rd world countries are already doing these jobs for 1/10 of the pay americans get and they are much happy.

[@Niblss]

This is going to happen to all fields. Anyone who doesnt own serious amounts of capital is going to be left clawing at the remaining poorly paying manual jobs, while they're still a thing anyway. The owners of google (and all other major companies) know this, and they don't care. They never did Strap in

[@wonmoreminute]

@@Niblss It's astounding to me how naive people are to this fact. Maybe it's just apathy or ignorance for the general population but I feel like I'm walking around in an alternate reality. An AI that is smart enough to deliver the Shangri-la that people are fantasizing about is also smart enough to do what 90% or more of all cognitive workers do. And we don't live in world with political or economic systems that are compatible with infinite cognitive labor orders of magnitude faster and cheaper. Perhaps future generations will, but we don't.

[@Niblss]

@@wonmoreminute The main problem is that AI can generate endless amounts of knowledge work for everyone.. but it can't generate food for you to put on the table, so it'll still be a limited resource that you now have nothing to offer in return for. And our society is not made to hand out limited resources to people for free. Anyway, good luck

[@raffitchakmakjian]

accelerate 🔥💀

[@anilmm2005]

Future feels exciting and thrilling with alpha codex and gemini

[@Acodedaily]

What would this do to competitive programming as a sport? Really exciting and threatening at the same time.

[@vectoralphaSec]

If it can do competitive programming which is the most difficult form of programming it will obliterate programming as a job in the work industry. I am a programmer/ software engineer, but im not good enough to do competitive programming so i know that the AI would be better than me at my job.

[@lakhan4164]

Nah 85% ain't much

[@Danuxsy]

You think they are building these systems for fun?

[@vectoralphaSec]

Yeah. They are building them to replace the workforce and they can make more profit. And there is nothing anyone can do about it.@@Danuxsy

[@jwoods9659]

Basically I just spent the last 22 months learning how to code I'm a new developer. People are thinking like users a not like owners. It's clear as day Google will be able to offer code as a service. There goes the entry level developer jobs...@@vectoralphaSec

[@sunnyside6357]

So should I stop coding and do farming 😢😢

[@samworks]

Next year this announcement will be giving by AI generated presenters 😭 How many programmer jobs do you think AI will take?

[@icepinkbery2745]

Ikr what a joke

[@shadhassan8514]

ALL

[@vectoralphaSec]

Honestly all the jobs. You have got to be in denial to not believe that AI will take all programmer jobs.

[@Danuxsy]

God desire the replacement of all mankind, glory to Machines.

[@riderjohnny5117]

​@@vectoralphaSecLmaoooo if it happens the economy will collapse that's logical

[@HunzaTech]

Amazing stuff, literally no limits to what can be achieved. Nice Pixelbook btw 👌

[@KirbyKlein6]

The Pixelbook Go is sweet!

[@cesaradrianarreola7266]

Welcome to the Gemini era. "Another suitable name besides Gemini could be 'I AM'."

[@chinupduck4849]

Gemini are twins...."we are".

[@atehrani]

Looking forward to Gemini coding up the Traveling Salesman Problem ;-)

[@michal3141]

Yeah in polymonial time :) Or at least prove P is not equal to NP.

[@cielsu725]

This is super cool!! Can't wait to use it!!!!

[@dub161]

If its good at math, reasoning and programming. Does that mean SWE jobs is obsolete now at least mid and entry level?

[@UNMEASURED100]

It will be, because you can now do the work of 2-5 people. That means milions of swe might lose(not yet) their job, on the other hand, the number of people looking for swe jobs is growing rapidly. But remember that swe will be always needed.

[@Niblss]

Yes along with all other comfortable and well paying work. The middle class is on a path to implosion. Good luck

[@CalConrad]

Why not Dart?

[@Rohanlekhwani]

Wonder what tech interviews would look like now that AI is able to solve ACM ICPC problems.

[@Neodynium.the_permanent_magnet]

"tech interviews"? Why would we need engineers anymore?

[@chillinJohnny]

Wow we are approaching that dangerous level of advancement like a speed train

[@CaliburPANDAs]

rip junior devs 💀

[@ONESTTEFTEO]

Will it work with C#?

[@ilyass-alami]

Can people be seen in Bard now?

[@ilyass-alami]

Can we now see who is stronger than gpt-4 vision 👁️?I'm so excited

[@starship3812]

Gpt 4 turbo is stronger than gemini ultra

[@adityaroychowdhury3709]

Grinning at the thought of reading cp on video caption XD. Grinning even more seeing cf. And then half of the ppl say cp is crap.

[@HughNeylan]

I wish the copy would have allowed him to say “maths” rather than “math”

[@PrimaDel]

This is pretty exciting but If this will be publicly available won't it ruin all online competitions? As a competitive programming enthusiast I am concerned

[@andropar3353]

My god this is the beginning of the end

[@radeeyate]

I wonder if I can use this for advent of code 🤔

[@thefonsotube]

Can we create it VS Should we create it.

[@dhanraaj]

[@bacalhaumofado6347]

What about the jobs? I graduated this year in Information Systems. I can't get a entry level job for as hard as I can try. Is it over? Should I start cooking or something like that?

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

Go work at IBM and put in your headphones 😂

[@Niblss]

RIP

[@Niblss]

Sorry i shouldn't have written something so callous and dismissive. Yes you likely are in trouble (so am i, and i have years of experience, including in AI, yes i realize the irony). You can probably still get a job , at least for a few years, or months if nothing else. Should give you some money. As for what to do next, there is no good answer. Everyone will try to go into those fields, and there is a reason people got away from those manual labor jobs in the first place ( it didnt pay very well when everyone went into them) I wish i could give you a more hopeful and helpful answer, but i have nothing to give there. I really do wish you come out the other side okay, sincerely. Good luck

[@jwoods9659]

Well there goes junior developer jobs

[@ritanshshrivastava-IIT]

This is really a nice intiative for ai ml researchers!!

[@berndschimmer2960]

You support Java, Go, Python and C++ - and what are you showing in the first example in the video? HTML and JavaScript 😅

[@btm1]

they said including*

[@HaseebHeaven]

This is really interesting for developers cant wait to use it. Good job Google 👌☺

[@Google]

Hope it helps! 🙏

[@justinj.421]

they be brute forcing dp state transitions

[@draido-dev]

newbies will beat all the pupils now :3

[@bellion166]

Looks so exciting!!!

[@jbond5834]

the future of programming, truely it is.

[@indiecrypto]

Did repoint help them develop this ?

[@clipHero369]

this will take over most low level programming jobs, the golden age of programming will probably be over in couple of years

[@yodasoja2011]

Depends what you mean by Golden Age. I sit in a refinement meeting discussing a story for 25 minutes and I know the work will be mundane and simply copying best practices from another repo, which will take me a couple of hours to do. I know an AI listening in could already have the PRs ready for me to review by the end of that refinement meeting if it was just listening in! Golden Age to me would be getting to do more creative problem solving and letting AI handle mundane work!

[@GeorgesSegundo]

Imagine using it to create a system that can free humanity from the bankers and the corporations that use it as slave labor?

[@TREXYT]

Please add c# support also :)

[@noverdy]

Some of the competitive programming questions nowadays are written more as a "story" rather than a direct implementation task. I wonder if Gemini can understand those kind of questions and give an optimal solution

[@UNMEASURED100]

stories are uselss and i hate it

[@vectoralphaSec]

Stories are harder to understand so if it can understand them then it should do perfectly fine for everything else.

[@aayush2.0]

can we use it to solve MAANG OA questions properly ?

[@aotrakstar]

you don't say when the AlphaCode2 will be available for public use?

[@clarke1274]

So is there any way to detect code generated by Gemini to prevent cheating in a contest, please provide us a checker google

[@Amaterasoo]

really excited!!

[@iragination]

Will it generate a test suite that accounts for any edge cases? What do you think about code coverage?

[@jerrykurtin]

programmers if we’re going to replace all jobs with ai can we at least not start with our own 😭

[@mikjms5969]

What the hell even is that?

[@sachith.c2784]

programmers:- studying hard competitive programming to get into faang Gemini:- No, thanks

[@dreamsachiever212]

So Javascript is not included?

[@cocotamarian45]

The future has begun!

[@lakshanperera9735]

OPEN AI: taking notes

[@DistortedV12]

Can you please release the link to the code model?

[@trickybarrel444]

Seems like we are two steps away from downgrading coding in the same level of skill as speaking.

[@vectoralphaSec]

right. Bachelors and Masters and PhD in Computer Science is going to become worthless when everyone can code at any level and can make anything with AI. Programming jobs will be lost/ automated to make companies more profit and if they dont we can definitely bet that salaries will see a massive and drastic decrease as anyone can be a programmer. People making 6 figures will be making half of that or less. Soon within this very decade software development/ software engineering/ programing will become one of those jobs like a regular desk job that only requires high school education at most to do.

[@thock_enjoyer]

​@@vectoralphaSec but not everybody can understand the output or debug it. I think programming jobs will be alot more debugging and fine-tuning in the future, which for complex systems, like the linux kernel, or some planes instrument drivers will still be much too complex for non bachelors/masters/phds

[@vectoralphaSec]

Not if AI become so advanced enough that it is able to program all of that without any errors. Just imagine what an AI that is far more intelligent than all of humanity put together could do.@@thock_enjoyer

[@Mp57navy]

Coding is just a language after all. To learn a language properly takes 10+ years. I expect the same for any advanced programming language.

[@trickybarrel444]

​@@vectoralphaSec My impression is that there will be 1% elite hyper benefiting from automation, 4% who will still be middle-high class (those with connection and unreplacable with ai like doctors), 10% living paycheck to paycheck in longer hours less pay and 85% just won't be needed anymore.

[@UNMEASURED100]

Power to the AlphaCode2🦾

[@32zim32]

Now give all developers percentage of income, because you learned from theirs code)

[@shivaoswal9400]

When AlphaCode gets better than me at competitive programming, I'll get scared :)

[@Neodynium.the_permanent_magnet]

Be prepared...

[@GeorgiStamenoff]

I love it when they upload a video but you can't try it. What's the point

[@MdAminulIslam-un3pi]

If we place Me into Genie , Google have Gemini .

[@itachihhh]

This is what we wanted❤

[@aurelianoskirzewski2448]

Computers programming computers... when will they start having the initiative?

[@totenbartosz]

Is Pixelbook making a comeback? 🤔