I had to set it to -6dB when dynamically panning instruments throughout songs because once the instruments were panned hard left and right for choruses, the volume dropped significantly. It took me a long time to understand why this happened. Great video, thanks.
@Daysofsamara9 жыл бұрын
and if you want to reproduce the PT behavior, you have to switch every track with stereo item on to dual pan (or 0db pan law)
@MartinMillerGuitar6 жыл бұрын
What if I use a rotating stereo effect like a phaser or a rotary simulation and leave the track panned in the center with the pan law at 0? Is it gonna make the effect appear louder when it gets to the middle or does this only have an effect when using the pan knob of the track? I'm a bit confused as in my thinking the use of a panning plugin should be independent of Reapers track pan law. This would change the sound of any stereo effect with a center signal drastically. Excellent work as always, Kenny!
@yujonpradhananga99993 жыл бұрын
Fancy seeing you here martin. Cheers.
@abhinashtechdeathchuck8855 Жыл бұрын
Wow martin you too use reaper and watch Kenny ❤❤❤
@ExtremRaym9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your tutorial and explaination ! You explained the Pan Law with an hardware/software approach (What console use that, what software use that), but I think the better explanation of really WHY choosing one pan Law rather than one athoer is found in the Mixing Audi: COncepts PRatices and Tools book by Roey Izhaki. It really tell us what it does with soeaker mix but also on headphones, and how it affects stereo or mono signals, explaining why -6db is required for mono critical applications, or such other detailed infos.
@kris_gorski5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I noticed that without Gain compensation and pan law set to something other then 0 the final mix will hit peak at that chosen level. Even with the end peak limiter set to 0 or to -1, the outcome will still be lower by 2,5, 3 or whatever is chosen in the pan law.
@Hexspa7 жыл бұрын
A good way to see which pan law is best is to run a test tone (1kHz sine, pink noise) and get an SPL meter at your listening position. From there you can see how much louder center is than your side speakers. Then you apply your pan law setting. Left, Right and Center should all be the same on your SPL meter. This ensures that, if you mix in mono, your levels won't drop once you start panning things. Or conversely, if you mix in stereo then play your track in mono, your sides won't come up by up to 6dB. On a side note, if your left and right speakers are different volumes, adjust the one that's not the same as the other that matches your center channel. My room is well-treated so I used -6dB but my right speaker was a little louder than my left.
@chrismeyers74876 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! I usually check my mixes in Mono, and it helps a lot with frequencies, but my levels get all messed up because some things seem louder than they really are. I'm going to try this technique asap! Thanks again!
@urasam22 жыл бұрын
I learn something new every time I watch a Kenny video
@thierry.lavallee2 жыл бұрын
How is Pan Law affected when you Mix a track using Stereo Pan. With the WIDTH knob. I perceive the mix gets louder when the track is at 100% than when it is at 0%. Maybe it does not in terms of DB metering (ave not tested), But is there a way to compensate for that? So that when I go toward 100% width, I lose some DBs.
@Chris-St-DE8 жыл бұрын
Hi, I think in the second part of the video (auto pan) the pan law is NOT working, because the pan knob is not moved. It's in middle position the whole time, so the middle gain reduction is also applied when the signal is hard left or right.
@artao58 жыл бұрын
thank you. i had NO CLUE what pan law was for. you explained it quite well. :)
@DjangoFlaherty8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation! I was trying to match settings from Pro Tools (PT10) in Reaper and wondering why my fader had to be 1.5dB lower. It occurred to me to experiment with the pan law and sure enough, when I set it to -2.5dB, all was well.
@StavelyDrums8 жыл бұрын
When I pan tracks while I'm recording they sound fine, but when I render a mp3/wav the tracks are centered. Any idea how to fix this?
@Nate_Sanity3 жыл бұрын
Make sure you’re rendering in stereo not mono
@urssounds5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. Lightbulb! Finally understood!
@BrianjacksonNet3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation, Kenny! Thanks man
@JeanOfmArc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kenny! This was very helpful!!
@heavymetalmixer916 жыл бұрын
I guess this is why I learned to pan the tracks before doing anything else in a mix. Still I preffer the 0dB option, mixing on headphones can become really tiring if the pan signals are very loud.
@maxrepeckto93473 жыл бұрын
Don't touch pan law in Reaper if possible when your mixing through folders!! Or don't forget to individually change the panning law on folders to -0 db!!
@DanUpdegraff7 жыл бұрын
Any way to set pan law for more than one track at a time; or use an action to quickly set a track's pan law with just one keystroke? I like leaving my project at pan law 0 so folders don't drop the level, but need a quick way to change imported mono tracks to use -3dB pan law.
@frankb86169 жыл бұрын
cool video Kenny.. part 2 pan mode? can you explain the REAPER 3x mode etc. also ive noticed when using pan laws the signal strength varies depending on the type.. example using pink noise instead of a solid tone in your test.. not to mention using VU meter or RMS meters instead of peak meters. a bad experience with the signal being too high going through the fx chain but it saying it was -25 on the peak meter .. which is why i always use REAPERs trim plugin first.. by the way V5 has a new JS volume plug that has a pan law feature now.. and its less CPU than the original Volume trim, check it out.
@REAPERMania9 жыл бұрын
+Frank B (FB IV) I didn't explain that mode because I don't think REAPER wants people using it. But it's a cross between two of the ones I described. Thanks
@Daysofsamara9 жыл бұрын
Pay attention to folder tracks if you're using non 0 db pan law in reaper. If your default pan law is -3db, you reduce the gain by 3 db simply by dragging the track in a folder (and -6 if child of child, and so on) . So if you're using non zero pan law, it might be a good idea to switch the pan law of your folder track to 0 or using dual pan on folders. The devs should make the folder tracks ALWAYS 0db pan law whatever the project settings. it would be less confusion imho...
@ExtremRaym9 жыл бұрын
+Reno Mellow That is a very good and important advice !! Sure it can be compensated with volume fader boost, but it is really important to know how it works to avoid surprsies. Also, it is important to keep PAN LAW to 0 when importing already mixed song (mp3 cd rip for example); of you will get volume drop.
@ExtremRaym9 жыл бұрын
+Dairniel There is a volume drop anyway (just tested with a test tone), but sure, if all parent folders are also panned... the volume drop is higher !
@overbe9 жыл бұрын
+Extrem Raym So in short, which pan law and pan mode the majority of users should use? Mean, if i'm beginner, which settings should i use without diving into technical details? Thanks!
@ExtremRaym9 жыл бұрын
+overbe For stereo mix music listen with stereo speakers (most common setup), choose -3dB.
@GSunNo8 жыл бұрын
+Reno Mellow Yes, important point. But using boost side takes care of it.
@GarethGras2 жыл бұрын
This nearly made me go back to pro tools, why would you want Pan to change volume? I can't think of a single time this would come in handy.
@victorbatan2 жыл бұрын
Great video, Great Teacher!! Thanks!!!!!!
@BojanBojovic2 жыл бұрын
I stopped using Pan Law because it reduces the volume on my group tracks, which irritates me. I now use the default at 0db, but realistically this does not alter the sound, we always compensate cording to our ears.
@MrMetalclay7 жыл бұрын
switching pan law on a mix from -0 to -4.5 was a nice change in perspective for me. Now I definitely know I'm a little heavy handed on the volume of drums
@thevisi0naryy5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, could you elaborate?
@NickFromNetherlands Жыл бұрын
Strange V 6.78 with ProTools Theme I have still the second control for wide in default pan mode "stereo Balance" . And it effecting the signal from 0 to 100% ????
@NickFromNetherlands Жыл бұрын
That video from Kenny is 6 years old?? That was reaper V 1.0🤔
@weslaycock4665 жыл бұрын
Great video, appreciate it
@mikalonworld89187 жыл бұрын
when I pan to the left or right, it gets louder. its quieter in the middle. wtf happened
@Hexspa7 жыл бұрын
You probably have gain compensation (boost pans) turned on under project settings.
@jms3music9 жыл бұрын
VERY helpful video!
@TavooOCmx4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it man
@yandihermawan26414 жыл бұрын
my vocal is always louder in mono speaker. thanks for the explanation.
@FesteringGhoul3 жыл бұрын
I AM PULLING MY HAIR OUT!!!!! PLEASE SOMEBODY HELP ME. I AM TRING TO PAN 2 TRACKS IN A SINGLE BUS AND THE FUCKING VOLUME KEEPS DROPPING WHENEVER I PAN EITHER TRACK TO THE RIGHT! IT IS INFURIATING AND I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS SO BAD. WHY IS THIS SUCH A FUCKIING ISSUE WITH ME, NOBODY ELSE SEEMS TO KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I AM TALKING ABOUT.
@bain58729 жыл бұрын
How about plug in and let the show begin. I do believe that's the way it use to be done. Let the bankers go to hell! Jerry Lee Lewis said, "Who the in hell.... ".