USS Indianapolis Sinking: Covering Up Navy Incompetence By Court Martialing A Hero

[@lansfriszt7767]

Hashimoto, sub commander in 1946 : "Due to the close range, it would not have mattered if the ship maneuvered or not." WarGaming in 2023 : "Shotgunning is not a problem".

[@kaollachan]

wg would have say that the india had just to dodge the torp

[@traviswilliamking]

Shotgunning actually proves, to play devils advocate, that the tactic is actually quite sound in-game. Having a lifetime of even surface-level research on the Pacific War, I would say the ONLY thing they really get wrong is CV aircraft accuracy rates, at least until later in the war. And, while having nowhere NEAR archivist-levels of research, I've dug deeper than most into many of the battles.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Ironically shotgunning is the more historically accurate tactic vs homing torps. Granted subs were alot slower than what’s portrayed in game

[@traviswilliamking]

@@sealordmountbatten for scale, I get that bit of inaccuracy. Even allow for it. The homing torps, however, unless applied evenly across all torp seacraft, are an unfair advantage. Which, when logically analyzed, would mean the SSs would be at the greatest disadvantage. So would the BBs, in all actuality. So, I accept the current premise of the game.

[@mertc8050]

​​@@traviswilliamkingwell if you add that to game u also have to make dds what they are in real life no torp reload dies to a single bb shell bb secondaries get main gun accuarcy/range there you go balanced for homing torps being added

[@armyman29340]

My great grandmother’s second husband, who helped raise me, was on the Indianapolis. John Weir Anthony. RIP. He never talked about it.

[@andiamocclash397]

My great uncle Adolfo Celaya was also a survivor, he spoke about it and even has a book, but never talks about getting thrown in the brig after being rescued, an officer of one of the ships tried to put him to work after they washed the oil off of him and found out he was Mexican, he basicaly told him to fuck off and in return received 5 days of bread and water locked up. 5 days in the ocean and 5 days in a jail cell for being a smart ass brown colored boy, Exactly my type of family 🤣

[@angelware4398]

Excellent video. One thing that never ceases to amaze me is how slimy the Navy is in regards covering up their mistakes, even more so than the other branches. The Iowa turret 2 incident comes to mind.

[@traviswilliamking]

Well done, SLM. This situation was a crapshow from the onset, and it is good that more people are being made aware of it in the historical context. Being a naval history buff in general, and the Pacific in particular, I never even knew of the Indianapolis incident until moving here and visiting the Indy War Museum as an Army Recruiter. They have an entire section dedicated to the USS indy.

[@broccanmacronain457]

Thank you for this SLM. It is a great story. I knew that the captain had his record cleared but not the efforts of the 12-year-old to see that it was done. Having spent 20 years in the Navy the idea that the higher echelons scapegoated someone lower to cover problems with their own orders does not surprise me. The fact they did that to an officer does, by my experience, they would have found a few enlisted to court marshal and maybe send them to Leavenworth.

[@danehutchins3845]

This may be your best work to date!

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks for watching!

[@Andy.Gledhill.Models.]

Brilliantly produced video mate. That must have taken a long time to do. Such a tragic story. Shame on the people higher up in the US Navy for making McVay a scapegoat. That 2016 film with Nicholas Cage, was pretty good at telling the story.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks! The Nic Cage movie was ok with telling the story, some of the details were wrong or made up, but overall it was alright

[@user-unit23]

Great work Sealord! Thanks for putting all of the elements of this story together in a short, cohesive video. So important to all of the people and families touched by this incident.

[@Nils.Dabeck]

Please keep videos like this coming, Sea-Lord!

[@aight111]

Singking of USS Indianapolis is one of the worst post sinking, crew had to battle a school of sharks picking their crew mate 1 by 1 one. RIP to those brave soldiers

[@pastiluta2730]

A very interesting historical video especially from an European's point of view since we are not quite acquainted with these topics. Maybe in the future you can address some EU interesting topics/events as well. The Iowa video was also nice as well as the one with the "Liberty" class vessel. Keep up this history filled videos, for some of us they are quite a treat !

[@sealordmountbatten]

Glad you enjoyed it! Do share if you don’t mind!

[@jamesrussell4772]

well done Sea Lord. As a Brit this story has always fascinated me

[@FISH_SAUCER]

Very well dome SLM. This was very well done. Indianapolis is my favorite tier 7 cruiser in the game for various reasons, and this is one of them. I couldn't be any more happy to have her in my port

[@sealordmountbatten]

Glad you enjoyed man! Share it with your friends if you don’t mind!

[@FISH_SAUCER]

​@@sealordmountbatten already have

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks!!

[@FISH_SAUCER]

I also want to point out that I completely agree that McVeigh (I think, idk?) was a scapegoat for the incompetence of the US Admiralty at the time. Like why would you deny a DD escort if there was confirmed sub activity in the area, mistake number 1. Not reporting Indianapolis arrival? How the fuck do you miss/not see something the size of Indianapolis, that's just him saying oh yeah I wasn't paying attention while not saying that. Mistake 2, I could go on. This is just sad that they did this to someone to cover up their severe incompetence

[@sealordmountbatten]

@@FISH_SAUCERall very good points, McVay did the best he could with the information that was given to him, getting to Tinian incredibly fast and being instrumental in saving untold millions of lives. Then the Navy goes and throws him under the bus.

[@danishsaleem3192]

Amazing video sea-lord felt very researched and succinct nice work

[@ArterialCanine]

Great video, very informative. Well done. Lest we forget.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!

[@dennisboulais7905]

Great research and editing! Well done.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks!

[@LaunchpadGamingGuy]

Very nice job as always!

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks! Share with your friends if ya don’t mind!

[@deaks25]

A few months ago I was researching Indianapolis' story and the treatment of McVay was absolutely shocking, not just for the ruling, but also because of events in places like Savo Islands; when an admiral decides they know better than the radar, despite not being able to see a thing but gets off with an "oh well, lesson learned" and McVay gets thrown under the bus... The fact he ended up committing suicide makes the whole thing even more shameful. There is one little detail regarding Lt Cmdr Marks; not only did he land his PBY in defiance of orders in order to save lives, the use of the PBY as a life-raft and anchor in open ocean meant it could not take off again and had to be scuttled later and Marks and his crew had go aboard rescue ships. So not only did they knowingly, willingly and directly disobey orders, they even lost their aircraft doing so, and any navy would be proud of that as it's in the best traditions of selfless and courageous naval service, to me they are unsung heroes. And it could be argued that the actions of Indianapolis and her crew removed, at least helped remove the need for Operation Downfall. The worst-case-scenario estimate I read suggest 2 *million* Allied KIA casualties and a potential peak of 500k/month combined KIA/MIA/WIA! I do love SLM's use of WOWS for these kind of videos, it's always been a little innovation that I really appreciate, and in game, I do think Indie is a bit underrated.

[@timash1927]

These are awesome! Please do more videos like this!

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks! Share with your friends! Tryna maybe make a channel shift so every bit helps!

[@timash1927]

@@sealordmountbatten will do! I watched your other video on the Iowa turret explosion that was also really interesting. You should do a video on the Kursk or the sunk battleships that were salvaged and went on to shell Japan!

[@skeeterd5150]

SL, that was fantastic! This reminded me of devin horners work with his s boat campaign in his sh4 campaign. Real great historical info!

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks! Make sure to share!

[@mikedignum1868]

Good video and very educational.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks!

[@rickwiggins283]

I think of her sinking and cover-up every time I take her out of port or even see a PBY in a museum or real life. Thank you for the video.

[@deracer69]

thank you sir for doing the video i suggested a while back ago, and once again, you have created another great video, i would love to see more of these videos in the future, for one, it honors the men and women serving during that time period, and for two, it also serves as a history lesson as well, for those who didnt know about the classified missions during that time, which i know most are declassified nowadays

[@Iamdarthplague]

Fantastic as always.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Glad you think so!

[@steven6888]

Wonderful presentation thumbs up

[@andrewjohnson5365]

Outstanding video about an incredible boat and shameful cover up.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Glad you enjoyed it, share it with your friends!

[@dr.lesliegriffiths5727]

Nicely done Sealord

[@sskuk1095]

Love the work! Thank you!

[@studentofhistory718]

Excellent work!

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks!!

[@CarterTmag]

My great papa was on that ship he told he a story about the ship he was on sunk and a lot of his friends died in the water once I watch this I new this was his ship

[@ethanbrown7198]

Love these videos

[@sealordmountbatten]

Glad you enjoyed! Share it if you could please!

[@Battlemage15]

16:55 that must be an illustration, but either way it makes Hashimoto somehow even more of a legend than he already is.

[@sealordmountbatten]

I believe it’s a portrait made during his service in the IJN

[@mikehenthorn1778]

Great video! Good job Hunter.

[@Alex_Guy1011]

A ship that unintentionally sacrificed itself to end the war. Unluckily, had the submarine stumbled upon and sunk the Indianapolis much earlier on the start of it's journey rather than on the return trip, it would have brought a significant delay to the first of the two atomic bombings. The fact that a 12 year-old took it upon himself to investigate the sinking, gather evidence and testimonies from survivors alone to exonerate Captain McVay is in itself impressive, and if i ever had a hobby, it would definitely have been what he was doing at the time, aka. personal investigation work on my own. It was the Navy higher-ups fault for not alerting the Indianapolis to the confirmed danger of submarines given the fact that a destroyer escort already sank from a submarine attack one a week ago not far from where Indianapolis would sail, and to not even allocate a proper destroyer escort of at least 4 ships for such an important and highly-classified mission? I mean, seriously? Also, one of the high-ranking officers getting drunk during just when the Indianapolis broadcasted it's distress call a third and final time? What is this, was the supervising officer of that poor radioman still stuck in the Interwar-Era of isolationist incompetence and malfunctioning torpedoes or what? I'm really hoping to have a drink or snacks with McVay in a dream after writing all of this. He really needs it. He can rest well now, knowing that someone who had a similar passion with history like me like i did at that around that age had cleared him of any wrongdoing, which the Navy tried to blame all onto him and thus use it to make him their scapegoat. Just truly unacceptable. I could only wish one Portland-class was a museum ship with a section dedicated to the entire sinking, the cover-up behind it and Hunter Scott's exoneration of Captain McVay, now THAT would've been truly something incredible to see! Sealord, i truly wanted to ask you when you would release a video about the USS Indianapolis and anticipated it coming out, then finally, here it is. Thank you.

[@frankjones5948]

Well done Mountbatten, well done.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@williamneitzel2249]

When you find the time, SLM, you might want to do 1 or 2 on the battles off Guadalcanal. The initial disaster where 5 of the 7 (or 8) cruisers assigned as escort/bombardment support were sunk. OR, either what REALLY happened to the USS ATLANTA, the decision to finally send in the USS WASHINGTON and SOUTH DAKOTA, or to what Halsey did ruining the career of the captain of the USS HELENA.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Could be an interesting topic

[@flfar3445]

I absolutely love the story well done And she is still a fun ship to play in the game a great classic

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks! Don’t forget to share!

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

Y’all know me. Know how I earn a livin’. I’ll catch this bird for you, but it ain’t gonna be easy. Bad fish.

[@theiranianputin2770]

Well done.

[@PatrickPrejusa]

GREAT VIDEO, THANK YOU

[@flyingportagee4719]

The music is giving me flashbacks to the 1980's.

[@sealordmountbatten]

That’s the idea 😁

[@sirtogii5216]

Thank you for the history lesson!

[@lorieakins2843]

My grandfather died on the USS Indianapolis. Bradford Eakins

[@minhnhattv9601]

That was truly terrorfying!😱😱😱 Imagine i am a crew member of it and having to survive four days like that I would rather die on the ship than having to survive form shark attacks,hot and cold tempratures and salt poisoning.

[@tdbraun6837]

Excellent; and kudos to Hunter Scott.

[@jackcrawford6078]

great video! Well done, Hunter Scott o7

[@sealordmountbatten]

Glad you enjoyed! Share with your friends!

[@BrUh-kv5bz]

Come for the wows vid’s, stay for the mini documentaries.

[@davidtwyford8755]

I would like to know if the video of the barber was actually from the Indy as that may be a video of my uncle who was ships barber. He made it into the water but died a day before they were found. Yes I'm old 75 I hadn't been born as I am a baby boomer, but he was my fathers brother. please let me know about the video Thank you David Twyford

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thank you for sharing David, the clip of the barber is from the USS Cleveland, not from the Indianapolis

[@davidtwyford8755]

@@sealordmountbatten Thank you sir

[@Sad-zl5wz]

Curious, what was the reason Indianapolis chosen for the delivery?

[@skeeterd5150]

Took me a bit to find… Kamikaze attack had damaged the prop shaft and was back at mare island for repairs. I think it just was a coincidence. Fastest (safest)way to get both weapons to the Marianas.

[@sealordmountbatten]

There were several ships chosen to deliver parts for the bomb to Tinian, Indianapolis just so happen to get some of the most important bits

[@skeeterd5150]

Fitting it was FDRs favorite ship. There’s a lot of ironic bits with this story

[@Sad-zl5wz]

@@skeeterd5150 Ahh i see tq for ur time :)

[@Sad-zl5wz]

​​@@sealordmountbatten see i thought they were delivering all on Indianapolis, which is way too dumb to do that 😅, doesnt mean how the US navy dealt with this was any good

[@Happy-xi9hl]

Not so fun fact: Hashimoto, after sinking Indianapolis went on to do some other "navy" stuff until they heard of the atomic bombings and the surrender by the Japanese. He went back to port and informed the crew about the surrender. He went home only to realize that his home was no more and his family was all but dust. They died in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima.

[@dongiovanni4331]

Are you sure? He's listed as having a child with his only known spouse in 1947. His father in law was from Osaka.

[@markoviitanen2671]

You could cover the personal achievement thing in the game. It seems the best way is to rush with coop mode to get everything to 600, and once you reach 400/400, stop playing, because in second phase it is really hard to raise them, if you have already raised with just silver coins.... Funnily WG wants people to stop playing, while waiting for phase 2, in order to get higher tier ships in new line... lol...

[@LaminatedTheCat]

Bravo SLM.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Thanks! Make sure to share with your friends!

[@varsington]

Montbatton...U should make more of these..U do a REALLY good job..put your time into these instead of pouring your hatred of subs and CV's, like the landlubber Surfacer that U are..(CV/SUBS main here)

[@finnm.2582]

What’s the Name of the Soundtrack?

[@sealordmountbatten]

It’s all from White Bat Audio

[@1339LARS]

Cheers!!!!! //Lars

[@dutch0770]

All you had to do was play the scene from jaws. Haha

[@sealordmountbatten]

I don’t think Steven Spielberg would like that lol

[@dutch0770]

@@sealordmountbatten what's another KZbin strike? 😄

[@thirstysailor579]

I swear, I find new reasons to hate Admiral King every few weeks.

[@concise707]

Yep, the Anglophobe who wouldn't take advice from anyone else, let alone we Brits who had fighting in the North Atlantic for over 2 years; what did we know about running convoys? King's arrogance and delusions of self-importance led directly to the U-boat's "Second Happy Time."

[@thirstysailor579]

@@concise707 Aaahhh, the folly of men. Not even the highest of Admirals can escape bouts of incompetence and corruption.

[@dukeford]

@@concise707 OMG. Where do you people come up with this crap?

[@concise707]

@@dukeford Err.... a lifetime's reading of numerous ratified historical sources wrt to WWII......

[@dukeford8893]

@@concise707 You're reading the wrong stuff, old boy. Probably a Gannon fan. 😝 Anyway, why should King take everything the Brits were "advising" him at face value? Despite those two years of experience, the Royal Navy was hardly spotless when it came to running convoys, and a lot of that "advice" from Dear Dudley turned out to be gratuitous nonsense. King declined to operate convoys without adequate escorts in large part because of the losses the RN and RCN experienced while attempting to do exactly that, but people like you generally ignore that fact, if they ever knew it to begin with. "Delusions of self-importance"? Please. King was the most powerful naval officer in HISTORY, and there was nothing delusional about that. I'm also convinced that 100% of this "Anglophobia" business comes directly from you people. Brooke and Cunningham would put intemperate and self-pitying comments in their diaries like "King must really hate us", generally in a petulant response to not getting their way about something. Americans close to King during the war were very consistent in stating that King's "Anglophobia" was unfounded. OTOH, it was pretty obvious that he didn't trust you lot (especially Winston) any further than he could throw a depth charge. "Perfidious Albion", indeed! Oh, and King didn't have anything to do with court martialing McVay. That was entirely on SecNav James Forrestal.

[@MidnightRoselle222]

Anytime I see this story, I always have to compliment the people telling it. This was one of the worst missions given from top brass. Indianapolis could have done this mission had she had an escort with anti-submarine weaponry. she wasn't given any. she was sent out on a covert "1 way trip." This is why any armed forces member gets a "Thank you for your service" from me, even tho I'm not at all patriotic. May they all rest in peace, and may the government never send our citizens on impossibly dangerous missions again, or backstab them for failing to do the impossible. Some orders shouldn't be followed, and even more shouldn't be given to begin with.

[@ArekishiKishi]

time to take the indy out in wows :3 rest in peace brave sailors who gone down with her

[@mattt233]

Wasn't Nimitz THE GUY in the Pacific? The only one who could overrule him was POTUS.

[@sealordmountbatten]

King was the CNO at the time

[@mattt233]

@@sealordmountbatten hmm. I learned something today. I always thought Nimitz was the guy in charge.

[@sealordmountbatten]

@@mattt233 Nimitz was in charge of the naval forces in the Pacific but King was CNO. Which Nimitz succeeded him as. But that’s the point of these videos! Glad you learned something!

[@mattt233]

@@sealordmountbatten gotcha. I got my times mixed up. I thought Nimitz was CNO by that time.

[@AbdiPianoChannel]

Sharks learned the sound of explosion means a white meat buffet. The Sharks are still talking about the white meat buffet 😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@RobK-rl6sn]

Shame on the u s navy. It's unacceptable. A man give himself and his service to his country and be shamed the way captain was. this man is a world war two hero.

[@klipsfilmsmelbourne]

You should have used mission of the sharks movie clips since it does way better than Nic cage garbage

[@ThePzrLdr]

The posting should be removed due to false information used. Clearly not properly researched.

[@sealordmountbatten]

What false information? You can check my sources in the description