USSR: They're ruining the game over and over(T-90M, T-80BVM, Su-34)|| WarThunder

[@PanzerSteinn]

Guys, just to clarify my point, I don’t mean that Russia is op, I’m not discussing that and I will not say the opposite I’m not trying to promote controversy here. What I mean is the environment of top tier is bad, unplayable, and it’s not meant tor tanks anymore, it’s all about CAS.

[@jetnavigator]

Maps are being modified to benefit CAS by being shrunk, trees removed, cover removed, etc. This dumbing down of maps has also removed any incentive for players to improve...and here we are.

[@PanzerSteinn]

Getting CASed simulator ;)

[@late_night_vibezs6612]

bro you are right lmao, and the bugs, rounds like HEAT dont work properly at low Br... and BRs are broken as well, they claim to have redone the maps and physics and tweak tracks on tanks but idk game feels even worse. i started playing on 2018 when it fist launched for console but i have just watched this game go down hill from there. and PL and ping server connections are so bad since last update... the list can go on and on. dont even get me started about the ground grind just wanna kms!

[@ZigaZagu]

and pantsir

[@johnathanrudisill7084]

CAS is easy to kill

[@fadaxew]

I honestly love top tier tanks, but the matches are just so mid. I went back to 10.3-10.7 and it’s a blast while still having that top tier essence

[@blackdeath6075]

I agree but that br is so saturated With one and done players it’s unplayable too.

[@BlackWolf9988]

Yeah 9 - 10 BR is the most ground BR but it becomes unplayable due to premium spam.

[@Dare_Plays]

I wanted to finish my US ground tree and few days ago it just started happening. Loss after loss no matter what i do. Spawn camping is on another level. Planes, helis are insane and on US side rarely you see somebody using AA early on. Absolutely terrible. My wr in the last day with top tier ground US is less than 20%. Im losing my mind.

[@PanzerSteinn]

I bought 3 US prems and didn’t continue to play USA because of this.

[@MrScar88]

RU main here. I maxed out RU, USA ground forces and now im close to top tier for UK. I did i AA/CAS lineup for US in hopes of grinding helos/aircraft when helo pve will get me bored. I spawn as ADATS every match at the beggining in RB. I sometimes get 2-3 helo kills in a helo rush, or sometimes nothing happens. Often i need to fight tanks with my ADATS because they rush the spawn, and when CAS starts to spawn im long dead and spawning in is usless. Other problem is NATO countires itself. 3-5min in the game half of the team quits after they died once. And most of the time those are premium vehicles like the click bait, or panzer batallion leo2a4. The other worst thing is the Su-34. That thing absolutely decimates things from range, and there is nothing to counter it. You should be able to spawn CAP fighters (AA loadouts) like helos with rockets from the beggining to counter it. Anyway, stopped playing top tier. RU simply became boring because of the reasons above. NATO top tier is in a very bad shape. i play 10.7 max now, late cold war, or even ww2 5.0 BR (6.0 is a joke, king tigers encountering ATGM vehicles? thanks, but no thanks)

[@commitselfdeletus9070]

The fact that us players more often than not just aren’t very good at the game doesn’t help the teams either. It’s even worse if they only bring one vehicle

[@PanzerSteinn]

That’s true, but at top tier 12.0 I rarely see heli rush, all what I see, Su-34s Mirage-2000 and Gripens. You’re so limited to counter them, and also not all players know or like to play CAP. I agree on the part about NATO teams leave after 3mins and that’s a fact. The only way to fix this is to give players more rewards for staying longer in the match, and lowering SP for the second spawn in tanks, and give players more incentives to stay and fight.

[@PanzerSteinn]

@commitselfdeletus9070 true.

[@markjackson7650]

That first run in the su34 perfectly sums up everything wrong with top tier. What the fuck are spaas meant to do to counter that. You were able to lock up and fire off fire and forget a2g missles from 14km away, outranging every spaa that isn't the pantsir. Even if you were fighting that pantsir theres nothing it can do as you're only vulnerable for a few seconds while targeting before breaking off and going defensive. Only viable counter is to spawn a fighter with an air superiority loadout but at that point what is even the point in playing tanks just play air rb. This absurd cas weaponry is bleeding its way lower down rhe brs aswell. The old 10.3 used to be a relatively safe haven from completely brokek cas while still offering "top tier" like gameplay but no longer. Planes like the su39 are able to do exactly what the su34 can do to ground targets while facing even less capable aa. Another player revolt needs to happen until we finally get a tanks only mode.

[@PanzerSteinn]

We are there to feed CAS players 😅😅 Good luck fighting jets and helis with your tank.

[@PiPi00001]

dont worry gaijin saw everyone's concerns surprise surprise ! *theyre going to release more cas and a new flat map with no cover from cas* !!

[@jkl9984]

To be honest, it's the doctrine differences being mirrored in the game. US and EU forces rely on air power to defend the ground forces and do basically everything, while RusFed rely on their mobile SAM's. The duck dies to F-15's and tomcats from a mere sneeze, but if you don't have the air superiority, this is the end result. Couple it with the fact that a lot of players seem to be blind as bats, and it becomes one hell of a concoction.

[@nvs0p]

Youre acting like f15 is better No youre not i got your point please don't flood my notifs

[@rmaréchal]

stop being braindead, a SPAA can destroy AGM with its missiles. now SPAAs even have more ammo with the little ammo boxes. they just need to stop being selfish

[@skdKitsune]

Some high skill CAS gameplay here. Absolute skill issue on the tanks dying to this. They had so much counter play available. "ground battles" indeed

[@PanzerSteinn]

I love plying ARB in GRB

[@skdKitsune]

@@PanzerSteinn GRB is just ARB with with human (peasant) targets

[@Federikestain]

I don't know why, but in conjunction with the OP ussr, many USA and Germany players have no clue how to play. The combo is incredible

[@PanzerSteinn]

The video is not about Russia top tier being OP, but the environment of top tier is just so bad, 4mins games, full premiums team, OP CAS and bad maps for top tier. I can’t find anything good at top tier

[@Federikestain]

@@PanzerSteinn The premium players with only that premium thank in the lineup is the real deal. Usually they are not very good with them (maybe they bought without knowing the mechanics of the game) and die quicly. Once dead tehy cant respawn, putting their team in disadvantage. Maps choice for 10+ br is ridiculous.

[@PanzerSteinn]

@Federikestain well said🙌👍

[@KejosChampion]

I would also argue that backup mechanics are also severely lacking. Premium players are not able to bring more. A player that recently unlocked a new BR range are also handicapped often

[@stianby]

idiot

[@AlternatedNonSavage]

when are they gonna add up a real Ground Battle, No CAS, nothing, just tanks, the crappy snail it's just adding planes that just ruin top tier experience even more, i know aim-120, but comparing it to fire and forget ATGMs it's just ridiculous, you see a SU-34 you already know what's gonna happen to your entire team, and god gaijin,god just please give the level system a real use, like if you are level 75 or more you can be able to buy premium vehicles, NOT giving them all when you start the damn game, that just sums up to ruin the game experience again (and if you ask, yeah i am a F2P player) watching the SU-34 part just makes me skip USA and focus on another nation cause USA has just suffered more than the OTOMATIC, this is just crap as hell, at this point it's better to stay at brs where fire and forget ATGMs doesn't exists until they finally decide to add good SPAA cause the only thing that counters the SU-34 it's their own nation's SPAA so that means you should get a mixed battle which are most likely exotic , god bless top tier (and i will probably keep playing it, yeah sometimes my brain just wants to see hell)

[@PanzerSteinn]

True, we need a specific mode for ground vehicles only, or balancing CAS and nerf it significantly

[@emyn_ar]

May as well ask gaijin to remove premium jets from sale😂 And there already is a gamemode without su34 atgms - arcade, why you need another one xdd

[@AlternatedNonSavage]

@@emyn_ar there are not so much matches on arcade and if you want to play it, it will probably take some minutes compared to realistic

[@emyn_ar]

@@AlternatedNonSavage not gonna ask if you tried playing arcade, but not, mm is not so much longer than in rb. Try to see for yourself though, as waiting 20 seconds instead of 10 might be unbearable for someone

[@yusufedhem-ez7vm]

I knew what was gonna happen here 9:54 😂

[@PanzerSteinn]

No air break 😂😔

[@crowMk]

They buffed the relikt and contact 5 some russian tanks have on the side, if you shoot at an angled russian tank and they have the ERA package installed the shot will tumble and not pen the tank or do minimal damage its BS to the next level

[@PanzerSteinn]

Let them sell :)

[@gerdbauer5211]

Interesting. Long time player here. In 10.3 i mostly play germany. It was a nightmare against soviet tanks but a few days ago something changed and it suddenly became balanced. I can actually pen russian tanks with my shells. Also SU 25s arent that much present due to the now reasonable losses on the russian side.

[@PanzerSteinn]

They’re selling specific nation to push players to play that nation and get profit, just like now with Sweden.

[@takemikazuchishuichi2269]

Nah im just tired russian side armor eat my DM63 lol....

[@PanzerSteinn]

The whole damage model is broken.

[@pivot4985]

Russian bias

[@nandim.artene3315]

I managed to hit the same effing fuel tank on a T80 twice with the same effect... FML​@@PanzerSteinn

[@Vince_070]

Russia isn’t that op. Only the 2S38, pansir and CAS, I mainly suffer on US teams because of skill issue teammates 🙏😭

[@PanzerSteinn]

I didn’t say Russia is OP

[@duceposting1831]

2s38 isn't op it's literally a mid light tank if you're dying to that in an MBT it's a skill issue

[@Vince_070]

@@PanzerSteinn I know but people in the comments are saying that

[@Vince_070]

@@duceposting1831 I did not say anything about dying in an mbt, that thing is not supposed to be 10.0 it should be at least 11.0 -11.3 and you know it 😂

[@PanzerSteinn]

@@Vince_070 true

[@nguyenalex2901]

I have top tier USA, Germany, Russia. But now I'm back with BR 6. 7., the real tank battle is there

[@PanzerSteinn]

I agree🤝🔥🔥🔥 Heavy tanks meta

[@nvs0p]

​@@PanzerSteinnany tanks meta, everything there is good

[@YankeeCommie]

As a us combat vet and contractor I can tell you the simple but effective soviet weapons are eating western weapons for breakfast and all the new stuff is the soviet weapons but upgraded with lessons learned

[@PanzerSteinn]

True

[@MrCampasaurus]

You aren't either of those.

[@averageuser-k6u]

Of couse some western weapons aren't that effective but assuming that all western weapons are not effective is incorrect both sides have capable weapons but drone warfare has revolutionized the field causing both sides to suffer extremely heavy losses also what weapons exactly? In artillery both sides have competent weapons such as Himars and BM-21 in tanks? USA is indeed sending the M1A1 Abrahams which are of course inferior to the modernized T90M (who would have guesses a 1998 M1 upgrade kit that leaves armour untouched is inferior to the most modern tanks Russia have) but with the rest of tanks they are performing fine but getting destroyed just as much as russian tanks due to the high intensity combat in firearms? Both western and eastern are competent in IFV's? Both are competent wheter one is more expensive than the other does not determine quality exactly also not all the new stuff is soviet weapons some are newer weapons manufactured in Russian federation after URRS collapse also what's with the " as a US combat vet and contractor" how is that related exactly to the discussion about equipment performances is it supposed to mean that everything that you say automatically is correct?

[@legaroojack1251]

You are 100% not a US combat vet.

[@YankeeCommie]

@legaroojack1251 yeah? What would you like to wager on that statement?

[@FRWD.]

hey man, wich and how do you put that sticker on the barrel, like ryanberry does? thx

[@PanzerSteinn]

Hello friend! Go to where you put decals or the other thing (I don’t remember) then go Germany Ground, and then you will find a yellow sign like this “YII” Use it in both sides. If you didn’t find it, tell me, I will launch the game to tell you.

[@Ciasiab-san]

Noticed how russia has the newest Spaa and every other countrys design is from 80s to 2000s

[@PanzerSteinn]

Gaijin don’t know how to balance the game

[@DaSteeJ07]

KH38s and Pantsir have broken top tier so long ago but we gotta nerf f15e immediately

[@PanzerSteinn]

I can agree

[@nvs0p]

I dont think that ussr is op, i think that spawn camping and cas is op Realistically im pretty sure that on most tank battles irl there werent even planes or not a significant amount, they were used for different causes Imo there should be a grb with cas and grb without cas, because it will still be stupid to remove all cas but it certainly isnt very fun to be killed when you cant do anything about it; cas players will be with other cas players and non cas players will be with other non cas players About spawn camping, i dont even think the enemies should be able to go in that far. I think you shouldnt take damage when youre inside your zone but you also shouldnt be able to deal damage when inside of it if the enemy is more than 200-400 meters away from you, unless youre spaa or artillery (artillery very specific, like maybe only that soviet truck) But the spaa and soviet truck could lose their spawn prot when inside the zone for too long (they still dont take damage from enemies who are inside the zone) Spaa and artillery shoulnt be on the battlefield and its not like it cant be done anything against it; both can be CAS'd, and both can be sniped if they stay at the spawn for too long

[@PanzerSteinn]

You are right, no nation from the 4 main nations are overwhelmingly strong, every one of them with good and bad aspects. I want saying Russia is op, I just said the environment of top tier is getting worse. Read my first comment, I explained there😅😅.

[@Military5567-YT]

Alright I hate to be the one who seems delusional but even I disagree that Russia isn’t the BEST. It has fantastic CAS and the best SPAA, but pretty mid tanks, I would argue that US is the best nation for their flexibility and I know, US mains are gonna show up and say that the Abrams is ass, it isn’t, you’re just bad in it, it’s the most flexible tank in the game, I enjoyed every bit of the Abrams when I played it on a friends account, SPAA was mediocre, CAS was kinda busted. Sweden takes second best. Germany takes 3rd. UK takes 4th and Russia takes 5th. UK is 4th because it actually has decent tanks paired up with excellent CAS and Russia has mediocre tanks paired up with excellent CAS.

[@Military5567-YT]

And no I’m not saying that this YT post is against Russia, it’s more or less against every country, everyone seems to at least have a form of “bias” towards one country and honestly it’s more or less skill issue from every side.

[@PanzerSteinn]

USA with that CAS and the mobile tanks even if they lack armor make USA strong. I really think to this day USA is good, but players aren’t the best (not all ofc). But I won’t say Russia the 5th😅, Russia is pretty good in WT, the best ofc Sweden, I won’t change my mind ;)

[@PanzerSteinn]

@Military5567-YT I don’t believe there is a “bias” in WT, just a lot of issues and wrong decisions. I just take it as a meme.

[@Military5567-YT]

@ that’s fair, just personally, Russia isn’t what people perceive in this game and that’s it. But I hope that my comment wasn’t really to I guess mean? I couldn’t remember the word I wanted to use but essentially is by all means not the best nation lol.

[@Military5567-YT]

@@PanzerSteinn I personally hate fighting Sweden because it’s handed the best MBT’s paired up with very capable CAS and pretty decent SPAA, and their light tanks are ungodly annoying.

[@shadowsan2010]

good matches bro😀

[@PanzerSteinn]

Thanks bro Lost 01848392292 brain cells doing this video.

[@LokiV_WT]

an F4-F with just two mavericks costs the same as this for sp, balanced

[@PanzerSteinn]

Indeed

[@BryanLee-dl4eu]

so basically you saying T90 and T80 are better than any Abrams? and SU-34 better than F15 or F16 ?

[@PanzerSteinn]

No, I did not say that. What I’m saying, that Gaijin is ruining top tier environment, there’s no nation better by far than the other one (for USA, Sweden, USSR, and Germany) but the situation of top tier makes the game unplayable. Read my pinned comment please.

[@epicgamer6419]

Best top tier nation's in ground are: 1: ussr 2: sweeden 3: germany Sweeden is just a better germany but germany does have good premiums

[@PanzerSteinn]

True

[@pivot4985]

​@@PanzerSteinnSweden*

[@vashbain3136]

Im top tier on both USSR and Germany, yesterday I went to do some top tier simulator battles with both, and going with BLUEFOR was absolute cancer, you dont die to tanks you simply get bombed nonstop, its even worse than realistic battles. No one takes AA's on US, Germany or any other nations besides Russians. The game is in complete shit and if Gaijin doesnt give us some new modes the game is just gonna keep getting worse.

[@PanzerSteinn]

All what you said is true and facts.

[@oz314]

Nato fans try not to suck at the game and cry Russian bias challenge impossible

[@PanzerSteinn]

I’m a Russian main :))

[@duceposting1831]

​@@PanzerSteinn you're not you do realise your stats are public, you're a German main if anything you have 19 medals with Germany compared to 12 on the soviets you also have more games played in German vehicles

[@PanzerSteinn]

@duceposting1831 I was a German main, but in the last 1 and half year I mainly played Russia and it was my most enjoyed and fun experience. The video is not about Russian bias, I’m against that, it’s also not about Russia being OP. It’s about top tier environment being bad, so please read my pinned comment. Thank you for checking my stats and informing me🙌🙂.

[@patrickescoe]

I think the angry Candian or someone else just posted about this they went on sensor mode post game review all cas constantly spawning and immediately just spawn camping

[@PanzerSteinn]

And the next update I’m sure more CAS planes are coming.

[@LokiV_WT]

The European Canadian did it and although I'm not a huge fan of him that video shows you exactly how stupid top tier is rn. worst part is that his video is just an average game, it can get SOOO much worse

[@kubazahrada7120]

i dont understand why people cry about russian tanks, just hit driver hatch or lower plate and he say goodbye 😀I play germany, izrael and russia and must tell that everythink with good reverspeed is more fun play than russian T90M .... T90M have long reload time 7.1, absolute no reverspeed, no hulldown and shooting over hill and like bonus big weakspot number 1 driver hatch.... Whoever shoots first usually wins

[@PanzerSteinn]

We’re not saying Russia is OP here.

[@Godspeed_95_51]

Top tier is just broke as of now

[@PanzerSteinn]

From the spall liners update to this day.

[@wolfgothicbowgod86]

@@PanzerSteinn Hell nah bring this 10mm steel on autoloader and we can speak :D

[@PanzerSteinn]

What do you mean?

[@Aph1de]

@@PanzerSteinn Nah, ever since Sky Guardian when Pantsir was introduced

[@PanzerSteinn]

True

[@legaroojack1251]

Id love to play top tier more, but getting spawn camped by CAS that can just easily dodge top tier SPAA isnt fun anymore.

[@PanzerSteinn]

Yeah, it’s unplayable.

[@gtaddict3666]

Always has been

[@PanzerSteinn]

😉😉😉

[@Caverate]

"They're ruining the game over and over" Yet you guys will just sit the endure it over and over like you have sold your soul to the snail

[@PanzerSteinn]

I agree with you, but at least I don’t stay silent, I say what’s bad and what’s good. The issue is we love militarily vehicles, tanks and jets. sadly, WT is the only provider of such games. It’s like playing COD from 2012 and you see the series getting worse but you can’t stop playing it because it’s your favorite type of game. I would let WT away if there’s any good game rn, online games that you can enjoy with friends.

[@Caverate]

@@PanzerSteinn they cooked maboi the strike eagle 😭

[@PanzerSteinn]

It’s good still, isn’t?

[@Caverate]

@@PanzerSteinn it's still arguably the best current plane pre storm warning. Was better and more realistic before though

[@parad0x1i13]

every nation needs to deal with op cas BUT ussr because of pansir

[@PanzerSteinn]

True

[@SwissCowboy87]

thats why i play only one tank at top tier.

[@PanzerSteinn]

😞

[@AdilAchahbar-g9i]

I like this Russian and Soviet bias if there is one in the first place. Because I'm tired of American biased games. ❤

[@PanzerSteinn]

You guys need to calm down about the BS😆😅 It’s just the game not working well, and the fact that they know how to push players to play certain nations and generate profit later, for example, Sweden :))

[@ICYROKKR]

graphic settings please

[@PanzerSteinn]

I have most things on medium except for tree range and terrain quality. TAA> ultra quality SSAA> x4

[@Garius_Gaulus1.]

American Server ? Wouldn't be possible on European servers. Literally bot players

[@Ricktheminer]

i wish russian jets had actual flightmodels

[@PanzerSteinn]

What do you mean? Aren’t they modeled well in the game?

[@Ricktheminer]

@@PanzerSteinn no the Flankers experience way to much drag. Irl and in DCS u can actually Energie fight with an Su 27. And the mig 29s was nerfed cause the R 27 ER was to strong (a missile the 9.12 and 9.13 couldnt even fire)

[@PanzerSteinn]

@Ricktheminer that’s actually sad, and now you don’t even have that much of a chance to compete effectively against the F-15C/E. To this day, I’m waiting for MiG-25, MiG-31, and Su-30SM.

[@Ricktheminer]

@@PanzerSteinn the SU 27 is actually very similar to the F 15 in the performance. it is just ABLE to do high AOA manouvers like a cobra. something the F 15 cant. this is the advantige of Supermanouvability: loosing speed when u want. The SU 27 cant decide when to bleed speed it does always

[@TheEliteGrim]

That is because you suck i will be joining in with the T-90M ace crew and fully unlocked

[@PanzerSteinn]

Me?

[@reconzero5699]

Bru deadass forgot f15e

[@PanzerSteinn]

Read my pinned comment please

[@coolgamr6404]

Why are they yapping the us has aim120

[@PanzerSteinn]

:(((

[@majorshaker]

War Thunder is a Russian Army propaganda game. :)

[@JMLuu.]

The panstir is the reason the top tier is unbalance. Other nations only have 12km max spaa missile, but the USSR has panstir that can shoot up to 18km and the missiles fly so fast. You can see the difference when playing CAS on the US team, because u have to watch and find the panstir to kill first but when doing that other CAS can put pressure on you and u have to fight them back and now Russia always teams up with some NATO country and those country have aim120 to so if you put on the scale at the grond game match, Air-Air is the balance, but ground to air is the big gap of unbalance. they should at Tor 1 for russian instead panstir and if someone say F16C have long range AGM honestly you have to go to 11km so the missile can lock on target, above 11km AGM just like a GPS missle and it fly slow af.

[@PanzerSteinn]

They brought the Pantsir as an excuse to bring OP CAS jets to the game and what happened, Pantsir destroyed every jet except the advanced ones like F-16Cs, JAS39s and Mirages. After that, they started to fix issues with issues.

[@JMLuu.]

@@PanzerSteinn nah they they nerf F16C pod because it's was good not even close to op, and after that they add bad weather map so you really cant see shit at hight attitude cas, also if they add Tor 1 and Panstir still not in game jet it will be most balance. Or they can keep the S1 but make the game match like 2-3 year ago when Russian only matching with China or sometime Germany and the rest of Nato team on the other side. I'm tired of people bring the excuse that US have Aim 120 like wtf only US team have aim 120. And because ADATS can't touch to Su 34 or intercept the miisle so I have to spawn F16 air loadout and kill other CAS and they just call me a dick head. I have no choice, I would rather be call a dick head other than look at the missile come to my face with hopless people

[@djordjezivkovic-bh7oi]

i see here only pure skill, nothing OP...

[@PanzerSteinn]

👀👀👀

[@fy0ri]

Russian game be like...

[@anormalplayer6638]

Skill issue at its finest

[@adventurer7579]

Lmao

[@dettohu]

sub :)

[@PanzerSteinn]

;)))

[@johnathanrudisill7084]

What's up with the title???? if it's trying to say going against Russian tanks or air is hard?? cause they aren't Russian tanks and air is easy to kill

[@PanzerSteinn]

It’s not against Russia, see the pinned comment. It’s about top tier environment.

[@johnathanrudisill7084]

​@@PanzerSteinnyeah I read it after I posted this comment so it was too late and me personally I don't have issues with top tier I enjoy top tier over all the lower ones

[@PanzerSteinn]

@ I’ve playing top tier since 2 years I guess, it’s not the same as before. After the spall liner update it’s just worse and now with the strong CAS it’s worser.