The Truth About The Inmotion V13 Challenger - They Had No Choice

[@schlumpfen]

Interesting view, although for one of the first times I don't really agree with you. I know your extremely opened minded so please don't take this the wrong way in any form, as I could be wrong myself. In many hobbies or interests I have there is a big difference between enthusiast grade and normal consumer grade equipment. Be computers, cars, drones, camera's and PEV's (obviously there are so many more but it's just and example). In most cases all the enthusiast grade equipment is usually the very best bang for buck. Essentially getting away with all the bells and whistles you don't need, then using that money to buy the very best of the best hardware to create that product. But the issue with this, is that it's only intended to be used by experienced users. In most cases products can be upgraded or modded ( IF YOU HAVE THE KNOW HOW). These products usually don't come from large company's with a lot of resources and usually have minimal research and development carried out. This is not usually a large concern as the demographic that purchases these items are experienced and usually will be tinkered with. On the other hand, most normal consumer grade equipment is the complete opposite. They never have the best specifications because the money that would be spent mostly on hardware is now spent on research and development, testing, material testing, impact testing, IP testing, etc. The end result is a product that does not have all the highest specifications, but is very intuitive, user friendly, robust and polished product that will not require the same amount of knowledge to set up or be used efficiently. People wanted stronger rims, they made a rim with a huge impact rating, people wanted a smart BMS with individual cell monitoring, they made it. People wanted suspension, they made it, People wanted water and dust resistance (actually IP rated), they did it. They wanted a good headlight, tail light, roll bars, charge port, USB port, fast charging, they done all of this. They went the extra step and potted the batteries for extra safety and heat dissipation. They made the controller modular, over engineered it, sealed it with IP rating, thicker wires, connectors etc. To take it another step further they Automated a large majority of the production to remove something like 60% of human labour which eliminates a lot of human error QC issues. I come from this background and this equipment is not cheap. Then they get crucified by everyone as if 3000wh is so abysmal that the wheel is a fail. This is what you get when money is spent evenly to create a normal consumer grade product. In order to pay for everything listed above something has to give. Its like building a 500hp “2000's civic or buying a new turbo civic. Or a DIY FPV drone vs a pre built. Yes you can make the old/cheaper one faster with less money, but if you don't have the interest, know how or time, why bother. I feel EUC's have been in the “Prototyping” phase since its creation and at some point someone has to take this awesome machine to the next level. Being a more mainstream consumer grade product that hopefully will be more safe and durable and bring this technology to a new era. Like you said in the video along the lines of “I hope the BMS is good” when referring to the 500wh EXN upgrade. A person who is newly interested and wants to start riding is not going to know what a BMS is, or what a good or bad one is. They just want to buy a good product that will last, and I feel that's what Inmotion is trying to do here. There taking a leap of faith by over engineering as much of the fail points as possible in a hope they move this tech out of the Prototype era. As for Begode, I see them as the enthusiast grade equipment. They will give you a crazy motor and battery set up, but will give you a lousy headlight, tail light, thin rims, next to no safety measures, thin plastics, Basic B&^ch BMS, Foam, build quality and the crowd goes wild. Well that crowd is the enthusiasts that are going to replace the headlight, tail light, bend rims, replace pads, push it to the limit. That is completely fine, but that is the small minority of an already small minority. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this as there as enthusiasts for almost everything. I feel like this is easily overlooked as the majority of the minority are silent. Hope you can see this point of view my dude, keep safe and all the best. Can't wait to see what you do next.

[@bepriceless]

Agree, and well written. I'm consumer grade.

[@UStride]

@@bepriceless extremely well written 👏

[@schlumpfen]

@@UStride hey dude, hope you had a read through. to me this is verbal vomit, but even if you don't agree hopfully it's just some fresh perspective 😉.

[@schlumpfen]

@@bepriceless thank you my dude, I'm both. I'll usually buy somthing to tinker with and somthing to just use. I always see the appeal from both sides. But the older I get the more I just want somthing that works, you know how it is.

[@UStride]

@@schlumpfen I read the whole thing. Next video will be based on it

[@martinmikus472]

I don't know man, i would rather get higher battery safety than more performance. Just my opinion

[@my_euc_journey1977]

High performance EUCs riding is not for everyone… Get a V8 or a V6 and you will be absolutely fine

[@michaelmercado1953]

Every intelligent person's opinion

[@jonwall4994]

I can't take your video seriously when you don't even show the correct specs. I understand your appreciation for Begode and performance but you are clearly showing bias. Sounds like comparing an apple and a orange . I generally enjoy your perspective but this missed the mark

[@douge4061]

Hey normally you talk sense...but not today! Begod only has performance at our expense. Low quality builds, no safety features until forced to, no taking responsibility and pushing motors to their extreme is the opposite of quality! They are followers rather than leaders, taking a cheap and dirty approach to getting wheels out the door without proper research and making us the testers....only thing I agree with is that the exn is a good wheel!

[@dewaynelowery8511]

Very well said. Perfect analysis. Begode is only interested in SELLINGS wheels and stealing other companies thunder. How about making a long lasting QUALITY PRODUCT?

[@supakat1835]

Great video. The V13 will have a new (raptor) control board, & very different control board design than v12, actually the electronics are all completely different, with the exception of the display, its not passed over to V13. So none of the control board issues like cutout, can be passed over to the V13 from the v12. Also they limited the V13 to 3024Wh for safe redundancy, if there was a failure with one of the packs. It's a awesome wheel, lots of choices out there.

[@2slice805]

The V13 will be the safest and best quality built wheel to come, the Sherman will be second place. The majority of EUC riders do not do 45MPH for 15minutes straight. I doubt the majority even do 40mph for 10 minutes straight. I’m putting my money on Inmotion. I have a HS V12 and never had a cut out. Dude when talking about v12 cutting out, you have to pay attention to the region in the world where they have the majority of cutouts. Plus the bach of shipments. V12 cutting out will not stop the V13 from selling out when it drops. That wheel is gonna have lots of people waiting on the back orders, I can guarantee that. Bro, right now, that’s the most anticipated wheel. Inmotion, Gotway/begode and kingSong came into the game at the same time. Inmotion was just more focus on safety of their wheels and keeping them at lower speed. That’s the only difference between Inmotion,KingSong an Gotway/begode. Gotway had to go change their name to begode because of the damage they’ve done in the community.

[@mach16j]

From my perspective the v13 is basically 2x every spec from what I have (16x) which is too slow for me now. I actually considered getting an exn from ewheels instead but it's basically transparent to water. It's only the perfect wheel until you feel a drop of rain and then you get anxiety that your wheel is going to burn down. It's funny everytime I think about buying Begode I hear about a fire in the Facebook group. Like 2 weeks ago I read about a guys burnt out apartment. After being into 3d printing I learned that I really don't like working on cheap machines to make them work. I just want to use the machine that I bought without constant fixing, tweaking, and modding to make it an acceptable product. Therefore I would rather just pay more to get something good. What's funny is that escooters, ebikes, and esk8 don't have this weird problem where you have no choice but to buy something substandard if you want to go fast. It's a problem that our community invented by not demanding better products. Good video. That's just my perspective.

[@lashley370z]

If you ever get a chance to work on a V12, do it. I have a V12 and I performed my own board swap. I have an early version EX.N also. The build quality between the two wheels is stark. The EX.N is shit compared to the V12 in terms of build quality. The EX.N is strong and fast and has not let me down yet, but Begode has a long way to go before it even gets close to the accolades you give. My opinion. Love your videos and I respect your point of view. Just chiming in.

[@code96roblox]

I would honestly rather have a wheel that is 100lbs, because of extreme redundancy and safety than a wheel with extreme performance. My ideal wheel 50 mile range with a super cap in case of battery failure, redundancy on the power management, double hall effect sensors, hollow motor with a thick and durable axle, and suspension. Speed doesn’t need to be any faster than 30-35mph.

[@thefoss721]

Bro think about it.. it’s not just the battery - 30lbs heavier for a 22” wheel with twice the size motor, better/stronger built, 300+ wh , 124v or whatever, suspension, added safety/speed and probably torque screen/tech all for $1500 more money… that is a lot of added specs for the only negative of not being able to carry up stairs when that’s probably not a issue for most people who have a brain and can think around the issue… doesn’t sound like a issue at all for inmotion I know they will sell alot of those wheels Btw are you able to get all the sales numbers of all the wheels that have released?! Everyone talks about which wheel is better or more likely to sell… why doesn’t someone just get all the #’s for crying out loud and just lay rest to who wants what wheel the most .. can you get that info or do you not have the ability? I see your argument but it goes both ways man, if you want a high quality wheel the challenger is it.. if you want a bare bones high performance wheel get your wheel.. but for people who want extremely classy wheels for not a whole lot more money .. it’s the challenger hands down.. just depends on who is looking at this wheel everyone is different, you can’t say one wheel is better , totally different audience

[@coolhawk2003]

Water proof with wider rim to more big ones there.

[@thefoss721]

@@coolhawk2003 exactly it’s pretty exciting , if they can double down on quality/IP and get rid of plastic besides where it’s needed, and cutouts from faulty shit.. it would blow up

[@m0011v]

6:43 I dont think the V13 is 6.5 feet tell like you put on screen lol

[@solidplain8030]

You say Begode is “superior”. I would agree except for build quality. In all other ways, maybe. I would have less buyer’s regret if my RSHT didn’t need so much duct tape and prayer to keep it together. I love it regardless. But, I’d be ok with paying more for better quality.

[@ostumbling]

I'm halfway through this video and you still haven't made your point. Lol...I'll come back later when I have time to make some popcorn. Haha Just kidding my friend. Really enjoy your videos and always appreciate the information and your unique point of view. I've been riding second batch V-11 for over 2 years now. It was my first wheel and it did exactly what I wanted it to do. It gave me an even keel experience with speed, safety, robustness, quality of product and I learned how to ride suspension right out the gate. I can ride for a good 4 to 5 hours and 35 mph is a great top speed for beginner riders in my opinion. In terms of performance the v11 is not dominant in any one particular catigory but I would have to say it is dominant in every catigory combined. Meaning...I would not give it a 10 in terms of torque and top speed but I would give it a solid eight. I would not give it a 10 on range but I would give it a solid 8. I would not give it a 10 in convenience because it's larger than some Wheels, but I would give it a solid 8. I would not give the suspension a 10 but I would give it a solid 8. I would however give it a 10 in looks, comfort, quality and durability. I'm a risk taker so I've crashed my v11 a lot of times and it can take a real beating! I also give it a 10 on safety because I never once had a cut out. Even when I was going a little too fast for the amount of battery I had left. All I had to do was respect the tilt back and I stayed safe. So it scores more eight out of 10s, but I think if you add up the average it dominates just about any wheel out there even today! I would love to have the V12. I totally understand about the cutout situation, but from what I understand inmotion fixed the problem which I believe was a motherboard issue. Finally getting to the point here. You mentioned that because the V12 had cut out issues it may be a sign of bad things to come for the v13. However, If you really think about it... I believe that with all the safety margins incorporated into the v-13 such as... The strongest rim! (This is my only true disappointment with the v11. That rim is soft as bubble gum in my opinion!) Anyhow, all the new mosfets, the triangle of communication between the motherboard and batteries, and most importantly the massive buffer between the 55 mph cap speed and actual 75 mp top speed. Inmotion has just created the safest wheel in the world! That's why I pre-ordered it! I should get it by December and when I do I'll make a nice review video for everybody. Thanks again for your videos and great content! Always interesting and enjoyable to watch you my friend! You do the EUC community a great service!

[@UStride]

I made the point in the very beginning of the video lol before the u-stride logo. The rest of the video is just depth, perspective and context. And thanks for watching man. Appreciate it

[@ostumbling]

I know, I just like talkin mess. Haha... Keep up the good work!

[@Electrum]

Imagine if we judged inmotion based on the v12 board issues (that were immediately recognized and fixed) as to carry them on to future wheels like v13. Then How should Begode be judged based in his previous wheel’s issues? 😂 😂

[@QQ251647742]

4:58 Come on! That sound from the motor is a deal breaker for me. I don't feel safe riding a wheel if I hear that. Is that your particular wheel to sound like that?

[@UStride]

Lol you won't hear it unless you're a hard rider like me, typical riders will never experience this unless they try to make it happen. It's called magnet skipping and all wheels can do it, some easier than others, it's a way to test the strength(torque) of the motor, well for me anyway. Experienced riders know what this is and no it's not a deal breaker. It's part of knowing your wheel. I did this to the Ks20 and it blew up

[@barrykeane8721]

Like your channel, but don't agree with your analysis

[@Papalou1234]

U-Stride you have to understand the v13 have the same amount of cells as the 3200wh sherman v1-2-3 at 126v hope to see a 200lbs+ rider in amarica soon to test the hell outta this v13!!

[@UStride]

Lol

[@kenspaceman3938]

I love U-Stride, but this video I classify as fanboy stuff.

[@UStride]

Hahahaha. I hear you man

[@jamesbarry2388]

Why are you not riding the v13 if you talk about it?

[@Stan0619]

WOW, the pedigree of Begode has never received such glowing remarks, than this. S/O to the truth sayer, U. This was a thought provoking siilooquy of why we all gravitated to Begode, religiously. In fact, this is the reason why we all gravitated to EUCS, which is for the thrill. No other company encapsulates this notion, better than Begode. I guess that’s why marketing is so effective, because I was ready to author a dear John letter. Marketing can distract us from the facts, that are in front of us daily. Thanks for reminding us all, of who’s the king of thrill! P.S. Begode please forgive my wandering eyes

[@UStride]

Hahaha wandering eyes lol hilarious

[@shinobieuc]

One thing I love about Inmotion is their riding/balance firmware - the kickback. Nothing can compare to it. One thing I love about begode is the performance. Nothing can compare to it. One thing I love about kingsong is their design. Nothing can compare to it, besides the Hero.

[@Electrum]

- Begode build quality is GARBAGE, plenty of reviewers pointing this out of the Master. Exposed cables and batteries and what not plus lack of safety features. No reviewer objects that. - Dude have u seen Chooch’s videos lately ? All his videos are on a v12 HT. He loves it. - what could have Inmotion released? A merge between v11 and v12. I agree v13 is huge. - Inmotion wheels are simply built like real products for the mass market, Safety + Build Quality + Performance, Begode’s look like prototypes. V13 supposedly is gonna be modular, easy to change tire and other parts and water proof. So no dude, v13 is just a new generation of wheels, new kind of boards, new kind of forma factor, everything is different in this wheel and for the good and future to come.

[@UStride]

I didn't say Chooch no longer rides the V12. I said he hasn't raced it as much. And yes totally agree with build quality of begode. The Master's no shell design is actually a step backwards mainly because the wires are exposed, batteries are not properly protected? The board is vulnerable...etc.

[@abcportrait]

You are so bias for Begode. Begode owners are suppose to replace the battery pack every year. At first, I just ignored it as lawyer talk and covering themselves from legal actions. But there are no jurisdiction for manufacturer in China. Then I saw Wrong Way's review on EXN. He mentioned how the electronics and batteries were wired to draw more power and performance from battery packs at the expense of longevity and the packs safety. I would like to see someone who is an expert in electronics and lithium ion batteries to check if what Wrong Way said is correct.

[@UStride]

That's a good one. I will see if I can do that

[@bordapatrol4930]

Sean cruised over 30 for like 8 min and used over half the exn battery lol

[@UStride]

I don't know about that but I have a range test video in cold weather doing well over 40 mph, didn't want to max it out but didn't want to be to slow either. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZynY6uOeJdrpas

[@bordapatrol4930]

@@UStride kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHSZaol6ncx-lZI from 90% to 45% in 9 miles. But for almost every EUC people get different results theyre just not all made the same apparently. Maybe they changed the batteries since first batch because thats just silly.

[@UStride]

@@bordapatrol4930 interesting

[@bordapatrol4930]

@@UStride Im pretty sure his was before the new batteries, seems to be what commenters think. wheel looks insanely fun either way

[@UStride]

@@bordapatrol4930 yes it is. Probably the last wheel you can get with great range that's also as portable

[@CrossroadWater]

Hey can we also give a shout out to wheels with LED lights. Another plus of this vintage wheel. Not every EUC rider wants to come off as a brooding mountain of a wheel. Playful, colorful LED's are awesome for night rides, and also send the signal that we come in peace ; ) 🌄

[@user-lw6sp5pk1y]

I wouldn't put a whole lot into the battery wh of the V13. I have the V11 and according to its specs(1500wh) it shouldn't do what it does with a 250lb rider. I consistently get 30+ range. I think they have an edge or battery management. Don't know what it is they're doing but its something.

[@UStride]

Interesting. How hard to do you ride? I.e are you more of a cruiser or do you torque hard, accelerate hard, brske hard, ride several city blocks at near top speed ? Cause would explain alot maybe

[@user-lw6sp5pk1y]

@@UStride All of the above. I would say above average normal riding. My acceleration is progressive. I dont accelerate as aggressively as you do very often. Im in Tenn. Some small town riding. I ride back roads. Subdivisions to subdivision. Park to park. Considerable amount of top speed riding to get down roads without holding up traffic. Its common to ride on my first alarm(31mph) for a couple of miles to get to the next area. Lots of hard braking from top speed to get out of traffic. I actually practiced that(wobbles). If the conditions allow im running 25 to 30mph through someones neighborhood. Every side road is an adventure. Occasionally offroad opportunist. Construction areas and such. I ride for the thrill so im doing thrilling and sometimes scetchy things. Ha

[@laurv8370]

quite tall that v13, at 78 inches... taller than myself, actually...

[@UStride]

Lol

[@JohnEFly]

I want to see the 78" tall version of the V13. How does someone ride a wheel that is 6'6" tall :) Just playing man, but I believe Inmotion lists the V13 as 29" tall, and they say a maximum height of the rider is 6'6", though I'm not sure why that matters.

[@euc_sharkman]

I was expecting InMotion’s play was to make something like a V11 Pro…take the V11 but make it 100V to get into those higher speeds, and slap on more battery…say…2700 Wh. Weight would increase but you get the extra power and larger battery and a great offering in that tier or class of wheels. I took one look at the V13’s 3024 Wh battery and said…nope! Already got a larger battery suspension wheel, and it’s not even as heavy. I don’t know what they were thinking going with that price and that weight and not even having at least 3600 Wh. We’ll see how it goes. I’m skeptical on the popularity of 100+ pound wheels. That market is pretty niche as is.

[@coolhawk2003]

Seems like your a race guy and if it not for power and speed. It's no good. This pick it up thing is funny . Not a reason not to get it . Talking about big wheels and all.

[@meuconmyeuc1337]

You said the quiet part of loud. Both Inmotion and King Song are known for quality and safety, Begode for performance. I like that IM & KS are bridging the gap toward performance because it's making Begode close the gap on their quality and safety. Compitition makes for better wheels. 😋👍 Begode is the DJI of EUCs. 😁

[@donscott6431]

WORD!!

[@tumblajr]

You are coming from a ex.n so I get it. What about those coming from a MSP or a V11 or lesser wheels. I put my deposit down despite the drawbacks.

[@CrunchyTire]

I put my deposit down but I think I will cancel. Lifting that weight is not my concern, its everyting else around it. For example, I have a spare tire and subwoofer in the trunk area, and my trunk has that covered floor that covers them. Putting the V13 in there will cause that to bow in. So now I have to consider reinforcing my trunk just to take the wheel somewhere? What if I wanted to put it in friends car and destroy his car lol. Im just too concerned it wont get used like I do my other wheels because I can just toss them in a trunk and go. I'll wait for release and see the reviews, just pay the extra $600 over the early bird price if I change my mind. The videos coming out with the little asain dudes trying to muscle it around is a bad look too lol. One dude dropped it going like 5mph around a corner.

[@tumblajr]

@@CrunchyTire Ever use case is different. That $600 savings is inmotions price. This wheel can be purchased for less if you are getting it direct. It’s clear that all the high power suspension wheels coming out now will tip the scale.

[@maahghudah5064]

Yea you right. Im motion didn’t have a choice unless they wanted Begode to own speed and leave in motion with safety.

[@Nenemm711]

According to their video, V13 has removable suspension unit.

[@illusiondrain]

You fishing and i dont like it man,change title and say MY Truth about challenger and not speak like there is a truth all around. Begode yes they can make speed wheels but they fail hard on the rest.Inmotion try to fix that with more safety measures they are also failing if you see v12 but still they are trying and kingsong also with placing more safety info on our wheels. All this is a friendly reminder and nothing more.

[@UStride]

To be fair I did day it's my opinion in the start of the discussion.

[@illusiondrain]

@@UStride Yes you did,but not on the headline ;)

[@UStride]

@@illusiondrain true

[@Sportinglogic]

Be that as it may - I stay far away from Begode wheels.

[@Charlie_Do]

How about to compare v13 with master?

[@supermotodave]

It’s 126 V not 108V

[@UStride]

The motor is rated 126V but the battery is 108V unless its a typo on the spec sheet. Also the charger max output is 126V I checked again and it looks like there is a typo on the spec sheet but I'll have to confirm

[@Mars_Bless]

It's a 126v battery brother.

[@WillofNewZealand]

Im thinking the wheel makers could show there confidence by sending you there wheel first since your the famed s20 killer. You know how to kill it. Wrong way and Hsiang are great but your the slayer so the companies should be brave and have confidence in giving the wheel to you. Us as the buyers want to see the wheels perform and survive. Survive, thats you. The others are great and entertaining, but are they trying to kill it? I dont think so. The more i think about it the more i think you are the man to impress. To impress us. With wheels that survive you. Ride safe dood. I wish you nice success. Be well from Will and Mr Data :) :]

[@UStride]

I agree also but I will have to try diligently to get those wheels sent. Let's see. Thanks for the vote of confidence

[@jaydburrows]

Your hilarious! From the trails to the street the v13 opened up a whole new elevated type of riding. I won’t even get on my other wheels after the v13. How are you going to knock something you’ve never rode. Maybe your out of practice on your exn because im far more nimble on my 110+ lb wheel. Stay on the sidewalk where you belong.

[@UStride]

Hahaha. You can't possibly be more nimble on te v13 than an exn, that's physically and literally impossible

[@MeediaGuyRolls]

Bro why is this video about EXN?? They doesn't even fall in the same category?? If you wanna compare them no matter what, all wheels can be modified to have more battery and better ride. And don't even get me started with what wheel can go faster with what motor capacity, its not about the speed at this point it's about motor efficiency and better torque. 4500wh just mean it can stay cool and efficient even going 50-55mph constant without breaking a sweat with lots of headroom and less or none risk of cutout! And it can carry heavy Rider with ease... Also why would the v13 have the same problem the v12 had? Its a different wheel with different design different specs.. the way you are comparing is like comparing a 84v wheel to a 100v wheel, can a 84v wheel go 50km/h yes but can it stay at 50 constant? Thats why 100v is invented... Same story with a 100v vs 126/134v and saying inmotion made a thin tall wheel bro that's just a way inmotion makes a wheel, look at their previous products... They believe in a sleak design. And gotway really have a shity quality, they break easy, everything is cleap plastic, nothing is water resistant they started the wheel on fire trend and old ladies assemble the wheel you are riding thats why they changed the company name! So give inmotion a break, they are just trying to make safer wheels. I wouldn't trust gotway to buy a wheel to my kid or loved one, something safer and durable would be my choice. A suspension is a different set-up altogether, EXN doesn't even have a suspension... It had one we all know what happened to that. Maybe make a comparison video btwn V13 vs Master or Master Pro coz thats some competition. EXN is a great machine no doubt but comparing it to anything now and saying i can add 500wh is crazy.. take a break and ride v13 when it comes out lets see what you have to say... Peace ☮️

[@UStride]

Nice response. The comparison with the exn was used as a test case to demonstrate how much more efficient begode is with battery capacity and form. Inmotion creates amazing wheels but when it's about performance they give alot less for more money and more weight. The v13 is a concept that we all hope will work out well, but until it hits the streets, we won't truely know how that theory will holds up, but I can't wait. Ps if it does hold then begode will have some serious issues to content with, otherwise it will all be for not

[@mikebikekite1]

I don't understand people wanting an EUC that will go so fast - wouldn't it be better just to drive a car or motorbike? I have a Nik+ and probably count myself as an enthusiast but I have zero interest in going faster than 30mph. Why would I want the weight of a wheel with that capability? or the cost? In all honesty, I'm not even interested in suspension. What I do want is a rugged wheel, that won't randomly burst into flames, that offers decent lighting front and rear, and preferably offers the same range as my Nik+. I also want the wheel to look fairly subtle as I don't want problems taking the wheels into offices, supermarkets and coffee shops etc.

[@UStride]

If you're asking that question then it can't be explained to you unfortunately. By that I mean it can be explained but probably won't be understood how we who want this speed would want you to understand it. Hope that wasn't confusing

[@pacochawa2746]

You are explaining top speed and torque. Faster for less time or higher speed at more eficiency. Its a balance of an ever lasting ratio. Life and death. Whats your ratio? Good point to bring up. Think freely its a gift. In australia thinking is a crime now...

[@UStride]

Sorry to hear that about Australia

[@pacochawa2746]

Well begode is top performance. Top performance is garbage and needs technitians to tweek it and get the max performance out of it. Racing vehilcles have a whole fucking team getting shit to work. The regular travel car just needs to work all the time with the least amount of maintenance.. Its a different game. Shit that needs to work or top performance.

[@UStride]

I hear you man. Look at it like this. Tech guys love to tinker around if that means they can modify their machines much easier than other machines i.e Apple devices. Just to compare it to something for you. But yes, I don't think anyone questions inmotions build quality.

[@hankinnovativeski6844]

Every time a new wheel comes out you have to find something wrong to justify that the wheel that you purchased is better; that's called buyers remorse There will always be better wheels Don't make a vid on jealousy. Just buy the new wheel

[@UStride]

I would agree with you if that was true. The v13 is not a great wheel by any stretch. But it does have qualities such as safety features in theory, that other wheels should probably adopt. Once again in theory. Buyers remorse means, I bought something and regretted buying it. Out of all my wheels, the only one I regretted purchasing was the inmotion v5 Regarding buying a new wheel. I can't yet because I have no desire to. None of them have been fully tested how I would prefer. As for jealousy, I'm not sure what you mean. Can you please elaborate? Finally, to your point about comparing wheels. I can only go based on what I consider to be a great wheel. If a new wheel takes away from what I consider to be a good baseline then to me it has to be scrutinized to the utmost, especially at these high prices

[@bxf1_]

I'll roll w/Sherman!!

[@Magiiicko]

Why doesn't he mention anything about waterproofing and safety precautions that both companies implement in their wheels?!

[@mightron]

music?

[@jeremiahvandamme]

Dude, super negative review on a wheel you're not riding.

[@UStride]

I'm I not entitled to my opinion as someone with so much riding experience? Try hard to listen to it objectively and you will see I'm most likely right

[@EkoKolo_Katowice]

Too heavy

[@kiwimon3204]

Bro. Are you getting one of those 500wh battery packs from Sheridan. I've been thinking and wanting one to add to my EX.N HS. Is there any risks dangers from adding an extra pack? Or will the BMS help balance out

[@UStride]

that's the plan

[@kiwimon3204]

@@UStride cool 👌

[@mightron]

Do you remember where you found it, at the start? I've heard it before but only with singing and can't find the version you have. Pretty swell beat.

[@UStride]

Which song at what time stamp?

[@mightron]

@@UStride 0:00, goes all the way to about 1:04 when you can really hear it for a bit

[@ecotransportation1670]

I totally agree with you but how come gotway unable to bring free Spins of 88mph still doesn't cut out even with the 134V with 4800 watt hour power?

[@UStride]

Different design philosophies. Begode wheels don't actually cutout unless riders push it passed it's limit. Inmotion is attempting something new where reaching the motor limit is not even possible. That's a double edged sword in my opinion because you also run the risk of not being to power the motor under various conditions if the source voltage can't handle the demand. But we will see. That’s a good theoretical approach by inmotion

[@lawrencequan6857]

…. So you haven’t test-ridden the V13, let alone owned one, right? How can you make a legitimate complete review/judgment of this wheel? It sounds as if you’re biased towards the begode because you own one but can’t financially pull the trigger on the V13😢.

[@UStride]

It's an assessment based on my experience, knowledge and some very obvious things

[@lawrencequan6857]

@@UStride it’s your opinion….that’s cool!

[@UStride]

@@lawrencequan6857 yeah it's an opinion and that was made clear in the start of thr video

[@FabioPaulinhoView]

It is difficult to say what the author meant. Let me just say that battery capacity is not everything ... even more important is the discharge rate of the battery, adequate motor power and many other factors. Unfortunately, many people in this hobby are unfamiliar with the basics of brushless motor operation, ESC controllers, Lion packages, connector limitations, gyro problems, and more. Just increasing the thickness of the cables (8awg?) will reduce resistance and provide more amps to the motor. For me, the v13 is definitely a good attempt to make a wheel that won't cut off, but the weight and size of this wheel completely eliminate it in my eyes, I know why they made such decisions but we will see how it goes, as you said there is no companies with good reputation in this hobby.

[@zoomwheelsbrian7782]

My EXN mss is 3150wh top EUC

[@senseivegan]

Brother Zoom!! Hope your doing well.

[@kiwimon3204]

Did you make the extra battery yourself or from MSS? . Is there any dangers of modding adding extra battery packs?

[@loufugier3481]

I agree with you, Gotway/Begode have always known how to make organic wheels, an extension of the body. My Msx 2021 is the perfect wheel for me, no faults. I'm learning to discover my EXN, after optimizing the cooling, the right power pads, it seems formidable, I think you don't have the right tire on yours, I have a CST 6004 and the pedal height is similar to the MSX, you can also give angle to your pedals to gain height..

[@UStride]

You're right about the tire. I have to change ASAP

[@eslachance]

Honestly when I read "the Truth about the Inmotion V13 Challenger", the last thing I expected was 10 minutes of rambling "my personal opinion" about the EXN from someone who hasn't even ridden the V13. Nice clickbait, I guess, but your thoughts about how "maybe I dunno I have no actual facts" is the truth, isn't really consistent. Perhaps, go to sleep and try again when you're well rested, with a prepared script, rather than this late night tired dad thing.

[@UStride]

It's an opinion dude. Relax. It's not that serious. It might help you to understand where I'm coming from if you watch my older videos, but it might not. I don't know

[@eslachance]

@@UStride sure, so, "my opinion about the V13" would be... Y'know... A more appropriate video title, right?

[@UStride]

@@eslachance you're entitled to your opinion, yes

[@eslachance]

@@UStride Don't you mean I'm just spreading "The Truth about U-Stride"? :P

[@kiftorres4903]

Found a begode fan boy

[@UStride]

Yes

[@gpsanino]

Everybody can have an opinion. However, I would differentiate "the truth" vs "my truth". I do not agree with your opinion since from my point of view, you seem to be wrong from the start assuming too much and comparing pears with apples. Inmotion is not following or competing with Begode. They started years earlier, produce and sell more worldwide. Their strategy has been successful and for many years it has been clearly different from other manufacturers. Instead of offering the highest speed at expenses of safety, Inmotion has invested producing safer vehicles for a diversity of users worldwide. Faster = superior or better? Not necessarily. For some, portability may be more important and each user has different priorities. You compare EUCs by their battery capacity in a linear way discarding everything else despite not even the specification sheets are made with the same criteria among different manufacturers. Do you purchase your cars by the size of their gas tank or rather by their mileage? I provide services for all brands and models of EUC, and at my workshop I see extreme differences in quality build among manufacturers and models. There are models I would not even dare introduce in my home. Where you see "efficiency", I see cheap and dangerous built (or at least overpriced devices for their manufacturing cost). I ride under rain and I would not attempt that unless the EUC has batteries that can be submersed and the electronics are properly encased, period. That is my criteria and that's why I would not title a video as "the truth of...". Instead I would write "my opinion about...". In one hand we get exposed boards in the same space as the batteries and phase cables, just covered with some spots of silicone or in the best case by a thin plastic. While in the other hand we have a modern car level design and built vehicle. Our choices depend on the values we attribute to each variable or our priorities. For me, safety is first and right there my choice is obviously different to what you call "superior" because at minimum, I do not want to risk burning my house. Also, I do not agree with the idea of what you have promoted as "performance" neither. In my city/country, EUCs are still legal but limited in speed and all models can achieve it. So the choice is made by a plethora of variables other than speed. However, in your country some cities have already banned the use of EUCs. This may well be a trend fueled in part, by users and youtubers that value EUC models mainly by their speed rather than the properties that make them a unique way of transport. Clearly, if I want SPEED, an EUC would not be my vehicle of choice and regardless of its max speed at 100% charge, I do not ride at high speed on EUCs because I think it makes no sense when you cannot brake on time in case of an emergency. Rather than max speed, I care about my minimum braking distance. No surprises, by having different criteria we make different choices. V13 fills a specific niche in the market that other models of Inmotion EUCs were not covering. As simple as that and not needing to speculate relationships with other manufacturers' strategies. Nobody mentally sane would ride the V13 at 90 km/h, but having that huge safety margin may be very much appreciated. Lately, EUCs were getting unsafer. I got surprised when the S20/S22 got on fire in Begode style. Therefore, I am so glad Inmotion has their own strategy and invested in producing a different type of vehicle. Their first "big" wheel but with all the other parts scaled-up accordingly. That is what makes the V13 different and from my personal point of view "superior": 42 MOSfet, 18 capacitors, 8AWG cables, encased batteries behind several layers of protection, cell level data/checks and redundancies in so many systems to keep you safe. To achieve that of course it will weight more. Its mileage is also interesting but I do not need that much since I get tired after 50km even riding with a seat. If I could, I would have a V13 just due to its far ahead technology and safety standards. 😉

[@todd6888]

I find this hilarious that its actually the other way around. Its honestly too bad we can't see the sales numbers but I would honestly guess that Inmotion dominates the market in overall sales. Up until Inmotion released the V13, Bogode freaked out and unprecedentedly started releasing wheel after wheel. Why saturate the market with wheels unless your scared your going to lose sales. Begode isn't efficient, the platform is exactly the same as the master. Add batteries, put a smaller tire on it. The small tweak to the suspension on the Master V2 is the exact same set up on the T4 and the Pro. How is this efficient? lol They rolled them out, and now each one is having its share of problems because they weren't properly tested, and made specifically for that type of riding. While Inmotion is still even now testing the v13, before it gets to the hands of reviewers, I am willing to bet because of its care of making the wheel safer, having a better quality bar none compared to the competition, it will sell much better than all the Begode wheels. KZbin influencers like yourself, FB, telegram, and even EUC forum members who rave their praise about the fastest Begode wheel are actually a small fraction of the overall buyers for EUCs.

[@chrisr5675]

It's not tall because there's no suspension... the v13 has suspension so it's taller and heavier. Oh I continued watching and you mention it. It sounds like your comparison is just about the tradeoffs of suspension vs non suspension. I think the master is a good tradeoff of suspension, weight and power so I'll be getting that when I upgrade.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

👍 The only issue I have with the V13 -- Price !!! I enjoyed my MSP - sorry I sold it. Would I get a new Begode, hmmm, would have to see some solid testing/reviews. Cheers

[@rocketsnail8338]

I don’t agree with you like many others on this one but what I would really like to see is you riding the new wheels cause you are a very good euc rider and your opinion will help many.

[@BayBizzGrinder]

That’s what competition is Making a newer innovative product Inmotion is the leader in quality and ingenuity

[@Laic]

I think if you are coming from v11 or v12 you will know how to maximize your battery. I think I personally will get 90 % minimum of same range just like someone on Sherman max get with the way I ride my wheel. It is personal, just depends on what you like doing on wheels,

[@lastdragon2155]

I got to push the limits of the EXN-HT at Westwheel-5 ,except for speed it passed the test.

[@eucridez2062]

I own both a s22 and a ex.n hs i prefer to ride my ex.n it is just a better performance wheel but the s22 has way more torque but they are very similar off the line but once moving over 10 kph the s22 leaves the ex.n behind fast but then the ex.n catches up and passes at top speeds

[@BunnyslippersEUC]

A friends V12 HS had lots of problems going hardcore off road, compared to the MSP HS and my X-Max HT. Inmotion build in the software lots of warnings and error messages, because they cheap out on the electronics. While the Begode wheels keep on going.

[@CrunchyTire]

lol ok. My V12 hs is a beast off road and I dont get any of that nonsense that you "friend" has. Nice to see the Inmotion hater squad ready to roll as usual

[@BunnyslippersEUC]

@@CrunchyTire not all V12 are created equally. The cut out problems prove that. I will post a video of the ride.

[@mikster813]

I have a v12 hs and I've done plenty of offroading and have yet to see any of these "errors and warnings". My friend was on an RS and hit a speed bump not even going fast and it stopped working. Another friend of mine has a nikola and he turned it off to take a break and it never turned back on. Begode wheels don't always "keep on going"

[@nucik]

You meant Begode wheels kept exploding? 😀

[@BunnyslippersEUC]

@@nucik I saw video of a Kingsong S20 exploding. And in Belgium a brand new V11 went up in flames while charging. As U-Stride has said in the video : Gotway wheel fires, it could be just rider error. Did you saw U-Stride video?

[@adambarczi6305]

What is this video about? I do not get your point.

[@wheelman6964]

Agree 100%. Have no trust for a V13 that appears out of thin air after the V12 fiasco and without the relevant explanations that I believe were necessary for maintaining the trust of their clients. Not gonna be a crash test dummy for this wheel! and promised performance.

[@UStride]

Hahaha very true. I hope it all works out still

[@torion29able]

What kinda helmet is that bro?

[@GillamtheGreatest]

I dont know that i have as many strong opinions toward any particular brand over another, i just view them as having general trends that may or may not apply to specific use cases. I wish there were more riders near me so i could try more wheels. you mentioned that the s22 shouldnt be torqued before a jump/bump. i can confirm this. i hit a big bump trying to do a hard acceleration and i almost went down. i lucked out, had i been on an incline or had the bump been bigger i suspect i would have crashed.

[@UStride]

Thanks for bearing witness to this

[@mikhailkova]

no matter what they say to pay almost 5k for a wheel that doesn't have gold parts in it just ridiculous

[@JeskaRain]

IDK about first gens V12 post board swap but my V12HT is rock solid so far. The reason Begode wheels are so light is because they are basically naked cardboard wheels that can't take a single crash. Some, like the Hero are tougher but still. I think Begode are not going the right way with the EX20s/master/T4 series. I think it's insulting of them to expect us to pay that much for a naked wheel with exposed wires. I also think they peaked with the EXN. Worst thing is master pro/X will be stupid heavy yet still no proper shell.

[@rashie]

👍👍

[@unitronelectricunicyclesph4446]

Just look at the power of the diminutive MTen4 (45 kilometers per hour top speed) versus Inmotion V8 (30 kph top speed). The power difference is very obvious. GotWay makes the most superior boards performance-wise. All the other companies are just playing catch up.

[@CrunchyTire]

lol! Please get the mten4 and make a video of you going 45km.. Maybe have an ambulance on speed dial. Inmotion and gotway could be using 100% of the same parts and inmotions would still go slower because they believe in safety margin and gotway believes in you eating cement. The misinformation on EUC videos is staggering

[@unitronelectricunicyclesph4446]

@@CrunchyTire speed tests are circulating around the internet, noob. Stick to your slow wheels.

[@ritchyrich7106]

Great commentary my EXN brother! You're going to get alot of rebuttal for this video. I do agree with your points and on the side of practicality and common sense, why do I need a wheel going over 40mph if I can drive there in my car.

[@freetoflyshawn]

Gas

[@UStride]

The thrill and convenience. 40mph in a car doesn't have the same feeling of excitement, hence why people get motorcycles, street bikes, etc etc. People like us chose EUC'S

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

The specs of V13 are just kinda stupid. There's nothing that catches my eye... Except the weight of course lmao.

[@g.malcolmdial1327]

Interesting points man, and I must say they made good since. But the human nature will be someone's just gotta have it and that's were the V13 will do well ....UNTIL the reality of serious injury, local jurisdiction restriction lobbying = law suites will deflate the wings of the V13 take off.

[@maxxsee]

i'm also a Christian, praise Jesus !

[@ChrisTorina1]

Aren’t Begode wheels notorious for catching fire? Also the always hot charging port is extremely dangerous.

[@my_euc_journey1977]

A lot of brands of EVs keeps the port hot. This has few advantages. There is a 30amps fuse in the loop that protects the batteries.

[@CrunchyTire]

The EUC community has selective memory. One week its OH MY NOOESSS THESE ARE SO UNSAFE ILL NEVA BYYY BEGOTWAY. Then next week. IJUSTPUTMYPREORDERDOWNYAYAYAHYPEHYPEHYPEFIREWHATSTHAT??

[@ChrisTorina1]

@@CrunchyTire I own a v11 and absolutely love it. 34mph is ok for now until I see more about the v13. Haven’t heard about any InMotion wheels catching fire and I’d rather deal with cutouts and replacing a motherboard rather than my wheel catching fire while charging or not.

[@my_euc_journey1977]

Sent you Sheridan’s contact on IG 😉

[@UStride]

Thanks man. I'll check. I couldn't remember lol