I Made 50 Ghosts vs This GM Zerg - Ghosts to Grandmaster

[@kesatola3554]

Thermy, I'm pretty sure nuking the "red" decal is actually a bad idea because unlike sprays, color of decals changes depending on what color settings your opponent has. So if they have their own color set to blue, for example, the red dot from nuke is going to stand out quite a lot. The only way for that strategy to work is if your opponent sets their own color to red, and you would have to be a total psycho to actually do that.

[@ayanithtalreign]

Has anyone else found themselves using the phrase "total psycho" in real life to describe stupid shit people do that you can't help but wonder if it was intentional or not?

[@augustuswilhelm907]

But all Zerg and Protos Bases have red dots right on them that are pretty nice to hide the nuke in.

[@invader_jim2837]

if he wants to use such a tactic, shouldn't he be swerving the camera and placing the nuke just above the town hall?

[@phillgizmo8934]

I think you haven't met the real total psychos.

[@medvidekmisa]

@@phillgizmo8934 this is just a common thing in america they use huge over exagerations for every stupid things...LOUIS CK is my favorite comedian he has a good bit about it....like using words like genius, starving, psycho, hillarious etc. totally over used in a totally wrong situations is very common and lame

[@alexchoi5835]

I love the mass ghost stuff. As a kid I'd mass ghosts in Sc1 as they're my favorite Terran unit of all time. Seeing this brings joy to my heart haha

[@jbfairchild]

In that rematch with the zerg and you said you were not sure what upgrade to get. I get thinking... come on Marc... building armor!

[@Neront90]

I think if protoss go stargate he didnt have early game detection especcialy when he goes phoenixes first, and oracles can be EMPed, so maybe you should be more aggresive with cloak early on?

[@Scott3387]

Your videos are getting longer and longer. I love it. You deserve your channel blowing up.

[@amythystmiriel]

Would you consider a reactive phase 2 if you see carriers and/or tempests? We've seen they're basically unbeatable with pure ghost.

[@wilpich]

He just need to land the nukes, it's not hard.

[@blahblahsaurus2458]

Even if he adds more units he can always limit the number he's allowed to build

[@smithcs790]

maybe the ghosts can earn an additional unit of some kind per nuke launched

[@smithcs790]

when the game reaches carriers that is, and with the good faith full attempt to try and prevent that from ever happening. but when the ghosts become outmatched they do need some support =p

[@amythystmiriel]

@@smithcs790 My thought was as reaction to seeing carriers and/or tempests.

[@Alexander_Sannikov]

"I watch a movie once every two years" I don't think I watched a single movie in the past two years

[@feliperivas4197]

Ma boi destroying the hopes and dreams of Cheese zergs is what brings me joy everyday

[@UMCmetal]

This build makes me want to get back into SC2 hahah

[@adamhenrie3879]

Let’s gooooo!!! We’re waiting for you ;)

[@boriboribo]

Bruh...your micro is GOD level honestly. On top of all the macro knowledge and analytical execution...this is just pure joy to watch. 💜

[@aaaab384]

If you were playing Warcraft 3 with that style, your heroes would get so much experience and so many levels that they would eventually defeat armies on their own.

[@ocsisajt78]

"Just casual 16 ghosts" xD Literally laughed hard at this point! :D

[@Blank-41]

Bro, that last protoss could have taken you out at literally any moment.

[@ijduadfs3690]

At 46:46 you decloack a ghost as a nukes was about to land on his whole army. Could have been huge!

[@uThermal]

Haha his observers were right there sadly

[@seedcow]

Just got done watching the Ghost to GM series from the start; loving it and I'm stoked to start another series. I'm an SC2 noob so I'm prolly missing something but in your last game vs the stargate protoss, is there something that kept you from being able to be aggressive early like you've done before? If he's turtling up on 2 bases and waiting for mass carriers, would you have been able to go in early and emp observers and punish probes before he could actually make his fleet?

[@Kaphis]

I think it was a meta adjustment to the mass stalker style that he kept running into

[@adamhenrie3879]

As a Zerg player, this hurts my brain. But as a uThermal fan, I’m thoroughly entertained. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have some ladder games to lose, thanks to your mass ghost 😂

[@matthewreid6495]

9:20 - Gents. This ghost deserves a name. He took a nuke to the face like a champ! Its a damn shame he couldn't make it out in the end. 49:35 - as you spoke of this an extra observer was making its way to that location

[@loafbreed7246]

darren

[@nikolaisalikov1257]

Karen

[@GraveUypo]

i like the PF Terran Creep style. Even without siege tanks, it's pretty hard to push into that.

[@朕是神]

If you think about it, PF is just a siege mode siege tank that has 1500 hp, provides 15 supply while not costing any, and only takes more useless minerals and 25 extra gas to build.

[@faithful451]

Loved the vid thanks. I feel like you could have beaten the carriers if you had scans to snipe the observers. The guy had no ground forces and after a while it was clear he had no intention to make any so you could have made heaps of orbitals instead of the PFs.

[@Andrew-qu7lq]

In that first game I was thinking that the zerg could have used burrow, even tried some burrowed banelings to catch the ghosts off guard, and then he went for burrow in the rematch to slow down the CC expansions to go for containment. Pretty good strat on the rematch.

[@GundamReviver]

Once again voting for "if protoss, add vikings to the ghosts" They stop carriers, they stop big walky boys, they stop stalkers. All thr things ghosts aren't meant to fight.

[@VeryBadPlayerTV]

I dont really see you hard focusing on upgrades for the ghosts, so why don't you just rush 1 e bay for turrets and since you play such a mass PF and camp style go for building armor. This will make breaking your positions in the early game incredibly difficult. There was 3-4 times in this first game where he runs 20 banes into a PF and it lives low hp. It could be more healthy with building armor. Plus 3 ghosts to a bunker kinda nice compared to 2

[@AC3handle]

Honestly, when someone goes all in on flying cheeze, you should be allowed to call in the vikings.

[@pietrosigismondodelvalenti6371]

The carrier player was definitely taking some pages from Starcraft 64.

[@muzjmhjmh]

one movie every 2 year? OMG Marc, u amazed me!

[@m.lebedev1493]

28:44 that guy was sitting on dem lings XD 46:43 say the guy who keeps making planetaries against skytoss XD

[@michaukasiak3997]

About ghost nuke kills vs zerg - larva also counts. So 10 kills can be 5 drones + 5 larva.

[@jaktuned963]

"There's 2 PF's up here my guy!" 🤣

[@alphacentauri3069]

That first game was like the battle of helms deep

[@lostone9700]

in your second once you realized what was up you needed to completely focus on the getting the second base operational that third pf should have been used to protect that base. ghost behind the wall planetary near the wall but covering the second base and the orbital. i guess you needed the range upgrade for that. conversely maybe a cloak basetrade all in was the way to go before the overseers became a thing.

[@blahblahsaurus2458]

Great content as always. If you change the rules to allow more units against skytoss, have you considered just limiting the number of that unit you can have? If you had just three or four vikings in that last game it would probably look pretty dumb XD and it might still not be winnable, but it would be entertaining and help win close games

[@gcl2783]

Good effort on the last game. Going to need a phase 2 against protoss.

[@gabydewilde]

You make one big mistake in T v Z. The PF's should be touching other buildings. With ling/bane the best one can hope for is a surround. Only a few units can deal damage to the PF because it has limited surface area. If it is touching an orbital the dps goes down by 1/4 if there is a turret, a depo or an engineering bay on the other side the ratio melee damage vs units lost is so crappy it is to rage about. It is truly infuriating. If the PF is entirely wrapped in other buildings you have to manually target the other buildings or your units will run circles around the pf dealing no damage at all. I had some flying units and ultra ling one time. The guy wrapped a far far away undefended PF in 2 rows of turrets so I just send in the ultras assuming they would take it out. I had to manually target the turret with 1 ultra each. I don't remember if they could fit between to reach the second row of turrets but it wouldn't surprise me if they cant. A few ultras could deal damage, the rest just danced around, everything died. You can sort of calculate howmany blings you need for a pf. But how many units do you lose chewing and blasting though a row of supply depots? Do you have enough left for the PF? Probably not.

[@DanielDem87]

For the TvPs which go in to late-game should unlock vikings, fleet beacon unlock vikings and robo bay unlock libs or vikings (or both). Would get more epic lategame TvPs that way.

[@Galactichistorian]

Raven ghost reaper to GM challenge !!!

[@Necroneer]

That first game was great.

[@KlaraLolita]

Top 3 Terran movies to watch: Starship Troopers, Alien and Avatar!

[@davidbodor1762]

I don't really get why carriers would be good vs Ghosts. Interceptors are light and have 40 HP. That means you can 2 shot them if you land an EMP on them. Sure, you can't really kill the carrier itself, but you can deprive them of their means of attack? I guess it comes down to the extremely high cost of ghosts vs carriers. 2 ghosts don't beat 8 interceptors even with EMP, and they're roughly the same cost as the carrier with 8 interceptors. Honestly looking at that last fight, if not for the disruptors, you probably would've crushed that army. The carriers weren't nearly as big of a deal as they seemed. It's the damn disco balls that ruined it.

[@Tobiash87]

I like how ghost went from almost worst unit in the game (in Brood War) to a viable one.

[@davidjones5059]

Keep 3-4 Liberators at home defending your passages from ling-bangling attacks

[@Tatar932]

Ah! Keeping us in suspense for the rest of the Clem and Elazer match!!! (spelling?, I have know idea how to spell his name lol)

[@Urono]

It's Elazer, don't wanna be mean or anything, just letting u know :)

[@Tatar932]

Thanks! I fixed it

[@allan7850]

For the 2nd game, I think you should have made the PF in the natural base to stabilize first and then slowly build from there. At a point in the video, you flew back the 3 CCs to your main base. Maybe flying back the 2 CCs to the natural first, getting a PF there and slowly expanding after stabilizing might have been possible? 🤔

[@DanielDem87]

ye that could definetly have worked.

[@TorbLlorts]

14:00 no last hitting the hatchery?omg

[@augustuswilhelm907]

Ah i just wanted to rant under the last video that 25k special is no excuse to let one day out :P

[@HotLogic1990]

Second match was epic ghost story.

[@brendanw1867]

Big fan loving the series.

[@edouglasroche]

Yeah think it is time to allow cyclones or Vikings when Protoss goes sky toss.. that is clearly unbeatable with ghost only. Still would be impressive if you can get grandmasters with phase 2 Terran. Phase 1 Zerg and phase 2 only for sky toss.

[@GundamReviver]

Seconding this (honestly I'd just be OK with viking ghost for toss anyway, even if not sky)

[@crazycat1380]

you should add vikings for when protoss goes skytoss.

[@baze703]

Thermal getting salty about losing at end

[@brandon0sh]

its wild these 65 year old protoss players who have been playing starcraft since 1997 demo keep wiping you out with 87 apm

[@dfsdsfsdfsadfdsfa223]

Ghosts are actually pretty decent against interceptors. Not at supply parity but if you have twice as much supply theyre pretty good. Its not like bcs or colossus or tanks

[@massanylon]

Just curious. What usefullness does APM have as a metric when most folks just spam buttons to keep it high all the time?

[@MarcoToniolo]

it should be possibile to hide the red dot below a floating building. .. i think.

[@artemirrlazaris7406]

I know your only ghost, but complimenting a portable.. Raven observor for picking off protoss observors and the use of anti armor missles with nukes or simply sniping may be quite helpful... It is pretty costly.. but late game carier builds wit ha support raven... I think dones't solve the problem ,but could help at any rate...

[@thatnoob1515]

I have a suggestion: any build to grand master with lowest APM possible (efficient presses only)

[@itsokthen]

Probably still would have lost but maybe an idea in a game like this protoss one would be to go for a base race. Mass nuke all over his base and just try to kill all the buildings.

[@朕是神]

A "base race" in that jkind of scenario isnt really about eliminating opponent through killing all structures because all it takes is a stray worker somewhere to build another structure right as the last is about to die. Usually base races happen like this because one side is so far out of position that there's no defending their own base, might as well take some bases out in return. An actual elimination focused base race only happen when the infrastructure is already down for a few minutes that there's no hope of rebuilding normally for either side.

[@danielt1337]

Curious what factored into which movie you would watch when you were only watch 1 every 2 years.

[@ahorriblebeast196]

Ok what do you have today,day off gots me drink sat down let’s go

[@cheesypuffs1342]

1 movie a year?!?! my man! I used to binge watch movies after coming home from working in construction. but the past 5 years it has cooled off cuz a lot of movies just don't hit the spot. In the new netflix Resident Evil, or the Halo series, they're more concerned over casting an African Wesker than actually making a show w/ interesting storylines. Amazon is making a new Lord of the Rings too! i would not be surprised if they make the new Gandalf wear a sombrero & poncho

[@L00ww]

to me it is insane how long you stay on one barracks and how fast you build the first CC

[@augustuswilhelm907]

thats actually normal. everybody above 3000mmr builds the first cc this early :)

[@ecotechpestservices]

Maybe add ravens when you see carrier or tempest for phase 2

[@amythystmiriel]

I feel like in the second game the third base was hopeless to get up as long as your army was so small and you couldn't secure the space between the natural and the third, so maybe it would have been better to make a PF in front of the natural to stabilize?

[@raphaelfamilyfirst3058]

If i were to play against you i'd be wiped out in less than 10 minutes , you're very good

[@TheGuyCalledX]

Dude he'd kill all your workers with a single proxy reaper

[@123Ingebrigtsen]

When did this channel turn into a movie watching contest?

[@kingpet]

Uthermal sounds about like harstem

[@joeschmoe7324]

Geez if fighters are deployed when nuke hits then carriers are neutered.

[@Retro-Revenge]

with the protoss i wonder if you went for a base trade instead of fighting the carriers and nuking where he'd be coming back to defend, you had way more economy then him

[@mikaeltaz]

Best KZbin content

[@b0zg0z]

Incredible!!! Would you mind to play some off-race challenge?

[@uThermal]

I'm considering it ^^ but my main will always be Terran most likely

[@muffinspuffinsEE]

I never get tired of Ghost to GM xD gogogo

[@L00ww]

hi, love your contet. can you play mass ghosts vs hydras? are they as effective as vs roaches?

[@augustuswilhelm907]

ghosts oneshot worker, ling, bane, roach, hydra, muta, ravager, infestor, viper. if u dont lose them in the proces nothing is more efficient ;)

[@smithcs790]

is it possible to play much more aggressive against protoss and try to force an outcome early? it would only take a certain win rate to still reach gm as long as the win rate against zerg and terran are good enough as well. it is fun to watch an underdog scenario as long as there is a chance to win and a path to gm of course

[@RD-rm6qm]

Thing is with these challenges is that your opponents have your stream opened in at least 80% of the games, makes even the bad players hard to beat

[@vitorh3568]

Let´s go for phase2 against carriers/tempest < 3

[@RipVDub]

Always a banger! Thanks for the strats, my friend. Always appreiated. #uwu #sc2 #ghosts

[@dope4500]

Mass ghost and raven to gm that's be sick.

[@lg6707]

How about once the challenge is done you make some minor tweaks to try take it to 2.5k like you can have 1 tank for every 2 command centers you own.

[@EsportsStoryteller]

F for fallen zergs

[@Scawtsauce]

maybe more orbital vs airtoss

[@Heavens_Dome]

Liberators & mines to GM ?

[@huuphu17]

I feel more ghosts is better than more nukes man, ghost has twice the HP of marine and +1 more range. If you feel one ghost can't kill something fast enough then more ghosts will, nuke is unreliable and perhaps could be useful for just killing static defenses.

[@timburke4136]

I challenge you to watch this at half speed and see if you can stay awake for 1/2 hour.

[@omry77]

How would you handle zerg going proxy hatch into your natural? :)

[@nguyenkhang7377]

Snipe everything came out

[@azurosforest2666]

3d game you just need move beforr than he transited to carriers.

[@BaufenBeast]

I think there was too much wasted cloak energy in game 2; if you had 4 more ghosts later on I don't think you'd have had any trouble getting the PF up.

[@STEFAN9484]

Hello sir , I wanted to ask if you coach beginner player and from what league ?

[@uThermal]

I coach any league :) check out my metafy page in the description

[@TorbLlorts]

30:00 IMO you just had to delay the 3rd and get some bunkers or just make the pf not in the 3rd, you had no rush at all since his economy wasnt good either. But what do i know

[@hansolo_dynasty6094]

Mr. Thermal, please start an Only fans. Nothing on earth hotter than a ginger S2 grandmaster.

[@softserve8740]

where's Lockdown when you need it

[@jason4906]

What a god

[@quicksilver39]

Let's gooo!!!!

[@Maxvla]

IDK why you don't allow yourself to make a raven for detection. It's not like you are going to attack with it in any meaningful way.

[@evelic]

Ghost OP.

[@augustuswilhelm907]

the larva counts as nuke kill too. thats why its sometimes a little bit more then we would expect.

[@ntwogaming9306]

I really think you have to stop building pfs against turtleing sky toss. It does nothing for you and you miss scans, that could be an adaption that could help against the observers

[@billjameson1254]

Thank you for trying! Yeah, carrier/tempest in competent hands... luck might've helped, but- yeah. Well done! I think if the enemy goes carriers, maybe we should alter challenge?

[@krunkcleanup2949]

Why waste scans to clear creep tumors when you can just nuke them! :D

[@cheesypuffs1342]

"low skill style" XD sadly the golden armada is one of the strongest army compositions in 4v4 :(

[@sinephase]

dude you've missed out a lot if you haven't watched that many movies

[@ashtonrendon600]

!iq