Uthman ibn Farooq on Jizya & Enslaving Women & Children

[@islamicclarity7062]

A service fee? For disbelievers? And if they refuse, they should be fought and their women and children enslaved? "Of course!"

[@ligarsystm]

If the "TAX" for a Muslim is only 2.5% of income, then why is jizya tax/service fee 80-90% of your income ? sounds totally fair and unbiased to me.

[@theXveritat]

@@ligarsystm jizya has never been that high.

[@ligarsystm]

@@theXveritat Prove it! Please note that the Islamic dead god requires the following. Q9:29 Yusuf Ali: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. The reason for the tax is to humiliate and subdue..... to crush the UN-belivers.

[@theXveritat]

@@ligarsystm 9:29, doesn't specify any specific amount, you can look at the books of law none to my knowledge even specific a percentage. They specify an amount of gold.

[@FaithRationale]

@@theXveritat Exactly why Jizya can be imposed HIGH! In fact, it means your life and family. So once again your point is moot.

[@wylderose3878]

Sounds more like the Mafia’s protection racket!

[@harryanoos4853]

Exactly

[@veronikaatthewell9116]

You are paying for the service of not being killed.

[@Cruz8R]

Yes, he says service as security, but he doesn't say you pay Jizya to be protected from Muslims themselves. Which is nothing else than extortion. & who pays a service fee to get humiliated?

[@Cruz8R]

Indeed Jizya is not a tax it is a penalty.

[@ambassadorkees]

A penalty at the least. Protection money

[@ceylon9744]

*Jizya is a tax and not a penalty*

[@squarecircles4846]

Whiles we are all fighting against slavery, it has never left these 7th century ideologues. They even dream about it

[@m005kennedy]

The history I read says Muslims were the ones the US bought slaves from. Mohammed had both black and white slaves. He firmly established black slaves are only worth half of what white slaves were worth. It is kind of hard to turn your back on slavery when your prophet set the example of owning them.

[@24ghorba69]

@@m005kennedy "He firmly established black slaves are only worth half of what white slaves were worth"... Where did you get this nonsense from? Give us evidence... because as far as I know, he encouraged the abolishment of slavery, and asked that you meanwhile treat slaves as your brothers.

[@yohannesmulugeta6214]

Remember when he debated with david wood and said islam was peaceful, my oh my ,did that age well

[@warpdrive9229]

It's the "don't kill me" tax guys. Don't make Islam look bad.

[@iranianskeptic]

How is this a tax but the Quran says you should humiliate non-Muslims by taking it? Surah 9:29

[@euttdsiggh2783]

If it is tax, why does it say that people who pay for it should feel humiliated and subdued? Also, when was jizya lesser than zakat?

[@ambassadorkees]

Never?

[@xerke]

zakat is also a big tax and being a Muslim is a very hard duty much more difficult than paying jizya believe me a lot of people couldn't handle it

[@ambassadorkees]

@@xerke some historical data about zakat vs jiziya pls, must be in some financial annuals?

[@euttdsiggh2783]

@@xerke Oh yes, hard for muslims. Provide some data? Did muslims had their sons taken into janicar's, as non muslims did? Did muslims had to experience "first wedding night", like non muslims did? All part of jizyia. And A LOT more. Provide ehen and where zakat was bugger than jyzia.

[@ambassadorkees]

@@euttdsiggh2783 he won't provide any data. They have a belief based on early brainwashing. Critical thinking is not allowed (see Yasr Qadhi: we stop studying when it gets difficult). There are no history documents mentioning Mekkah. There is no archeology. Most of Hadith is so appalling, it had to be classified as weak=not true to reduce embarrassment. Cherry picking at the root of their system's belief. No evidence expected. Any time they say "many scholars" and you ask for proof, they go silent.

[@user-jk2po3cz7d]

If we had a Muslim tax fee in America it would be racist, if a Muslim country has a non-Muslim tax fee, it's called a service fee. The act of categorizing people with respect to their beliefs in the area of taxation is by definition discrimination.

[@shifashamim4304]

If it will happen then muslim will be in burden coz they will have to pay two taxes zakat and service tax Whereas non muslims (only rich and young men not women children and old)have to pay jiziya

[@user-jk2po3cz7d]

@@shifashamim4304 well first you totally missed the point. I am not saying that in a Muslim nation you should pay service tax and zakat. But rather the categories set by Islam are discriminatory, and I provided a simple analogy. Second, what happens if a Christian decides to not pay jiziya?

[@jeshi5599]

The FBI needs to visit this man...

[@playerfaint7667]

and Jesus will come to abolish jizya ,a tax he never mentioned before in the gospel

[@samueljohn6937]

Quran is fake

[@xerke]

gospel is corrupted lol

[@samueljohn6937]

@@xerke irony is your quran says that bible has never been corrupted 😂😂😂

[@theastronomer5800]

@@samueljohn6937 Indeed, the Quran says that the previous texts are authoritative, and the tafsir scholars (eg: verse 3:78) all say that the texts are preserved and as they have been revealed). It's funny how Muslims don't even know what their own scholars say, and make up bs not backed by any historical evidence.

[@mhorram]

Hmmm, Farooq means 'the one who distinguishes between right and wrong'. Seems that Uthman ibn Farooq was out taking a whiz when his teachers were teaching the difference between right and wrong.

[@philothegreatful]

A service fee to a service provided by occupying forces? How delightful.

[@ambassadorkees]

IF they would provide services... Look at the real Islamic States, except for Saudi (that is busy watering Islam down) and some Gulf States, most of them are a sad battle field torn apart hell on earth, causing refugees to come to Europe. And then they want to start the same sad situation here. Where are they going to flee next?

[@xerke]

Actually the Caliphate held vast lands from West to East and there was almost no conflict (Europe was full of war), and unified rules. That means that it was better to live so OF COURSE these living standards came at a price (financial one, nothing more). I'll remind you that even Christians came to the Caliphate because it was better for them subhan'Allah.

[@l.quranhubbard5275]

A service fee served with a dish of humility.

[@nathandurant2825]

I'm glad Islam is so straightforward and simple to understand

[@ambassadorkees]

So straightforward and easy to understand that he's lying, misquoting Quran.

[@lancesteinke3732]

Lol! It’s “clear.”

[@m005kennedy]

I took a course on the Quran. Trying to read and understand it is like eating a brick

[@nathandurant2825]

@mysotiras7 I was being sarcastic

[@nathandurant2825]

@@m005kennedy it's gobbledygook

[@SerpicoVendemion]

Horrible Islam abolished slavery ? What a lie it is.. women and children will be enslaved ..you can only hope these people never get the upper hand ever.

[@jdiaz7068]

In 2003, a cleric in Saudi Arabia's highest religious body declared, "Slavery is part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad and jihad will remain as long as there is Islam. Those who argue that slavery has been abolished are ignorant, not scholars. They are merely writers. Whoever say such thing is an infidel.

[@ambassadorkees]

Nice to be a black lesbian political leftish activist, who welcomes Muslims 🤔

[@unitedeurope2]

Takiya, Takiya as usual 🤦 This is a good way of exposing them 👍

[@Solomon-Dates]

So finally, they made Jizya as "service tax", thats hillarious, giving new meaning to "service". Service itself means serving , not expecting....wow !how far will these people go and give meaning to those abrogate verses. I thank our Lord Jesus Christ for whom we dont have to do anything, He did everything for us. Thank you Lord.

[@lastprophet8338]

Taqqiyah alert 🚨 again and again

[@theastronomer5800]

Right, and when you pay tax to any government, do you have to pay it with humiliation and numerous conditions that humiliate them? Please read the tafsir of Ibn Kathir on 9:29 for example: Allah said, حَتَّى يُعْطُواْ الْجِزْيَةَ (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, عَن يَدٍ (with willing submission), in defeat and subservience, وَهُمْ صَـغِرُونَ (and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. (Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.) This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace. The scholars of Hadith narrated from `Abdur-Rahman bin Ghanm Al-Ash`ari that he said, "I recorded for `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, the terms of the treaty of peace he conducted with the Christians of Ash-Sham: `In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration nor use any of them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims. We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night, and we will open the doors of our houses of worship for the wayfarer and passerby. Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days. We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit or betrayal against Muslims. We will not teach our children the Qur'an, publicize practices of Shirk, invite anyone to Shirk or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so. We will respect Muslims, move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them. We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, or ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons. We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic, or sell liquor. We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist, refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets. We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices with prayer at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets. We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.' When I gave this document to `Umar, he added to it, `We will not beat any Muslim. These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.'''

[@lahleholivia7398]

(b. Mas’ud) reported the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying: "When Allah, the exalted, speaks to send revelation, the inhabitants of heaven hear the clanging of a bell from the heavens - Abu Dawud 4738 Grade Sahih. Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: The bell is the musical instrument of the Satan - Sahih Muslim 2114

[@ambassadorkees]

Just one of the multiple contradictions, that prove either way that Islam is false.

[@notionSlave]

Bells are used as musical instruments on Earth, as a distraction from God by Satan, through indulging in music Meanwhile the “bell sound” in the heavens is for a different purpose....to alert for new revelations. In fact it’s described as “chains beating on a rock”. Completely different purpose and, duration, and sound. It’s a theme in the Quran that Satan likes to imitate God in his own way. God calls to revelations. Satan calls to distractions. Not sure if you have reading comprehension problems or...

[@ambassadorkees]

@@notionSlave duration, sound... Not clearly specified anywhere I know. And that bells are a distraction? Quran acknowledges that Torah and Ingil are God inspired and binding for Jews & Christians. Bells or "reverbarating cymbals" are mentioned in the worship of God in e.g. Psalm 150 and by multiple prophets. Islam seemes to embrace a lot of superstition, starting with how to enter the loo, kissing a rock, evil eyes in multiple cultures, Jinns, Satan giving false revelation to your prophet (why didn't he discern the different sound of the bell?) etc. As if a musical instrument or a call for prayer from the church tower would distract us! God LOVES music! Revelation 14:2-3 Then I heard a sound from heaven like that of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder. The sound I heard was like harpists playing on their harps. They were singing a new song in front of the throne, the four living creatures, and the elders.

[@lahleholivia7398]

@@notionSlave So now you can show us the quran or hadith that proves what you posted. Thanks. Iasked Al-Hasan bin Muhammad about the saying of Allah, the Might and Sublime: 'and know that whatever of spoils of war that you may gain, verily, one-fifth of it is assigned to Allah. He said: 'This is the key to the Speech of Allah. This world and the Hereafter Belling (Ringing Bells) to Allah. Grade Sahih Nasa'i 4143. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The Bell is one of the musical instruments of Satan."

[@notionSlave]

@@ambassadorkees “not specified anywhere I know” lol. Read the full Hadith she posted on the actual source, not the clipped out part. sunnah(dot)com is easy to search keywords for. And when you argue over something specific, don’t bring up 10 other red herrings. Stay on topic... We don’t care what the Bible says if it contradicts Islam. It’s completely irrelevant to point out contradictory teachings when Islam already preaches the Bible has been tampered with enormously. How do you not know this by now, and then spend time posting comments on Islam as if you knew anything about it?

[@thephilosopherfromdixie7466]

To be fair: see what happens if you don't pay your taxes in any modern secular country. Almost no reasonable person would have an objection to throwing tax evaders in prison. The problem here is twofold: uthman is fine with imposing legal penalties on the wives and children of tax evaders, not just the tax evaders. That's unjust. The taxes imposed are based on religious criteria and are being used to fund a theocratic government, which is inherently discriminatory. Not to mention that killing tax evaders is probably way over the top. But Uthman is an abdul. What do you expect? Edit: Lolbertarians aren't reasonable people.

[@klauscleber4519]

Why is it necessary to have two kinds of taxes (Muslems pay zakat - disbelievers pay Jiziah). Why not: All the people of the country pay taxes? Why is the difference so important ?

[@thephilosopherfromdixie7466]

@@klauscleber4519 I agree. Taxes to fund theocracy = bad.

[@386max1]

Enslave wives and children when service fee not paid?

[@breakbeat9229]

He fails to mention that you should feel subdued while paying Jizya.

[@Saif0412]

Of course if we refuse to pay Tax on the UK or US, the police won't arrest us and the government won't put us in jail 🤣

[@abis5918]

He should get award in lying

[@elliot7205]

Jizya is a tax that is less than that of what the muslim has to pay but it refers to imam al hujjah and cannot be applied today. Refer to amin asan islahi

[@sounakbanerjee1892]

Also it needs to be remembered that Islam clearly tells to treat the war captives as one wants to get treated, feeding and clothing them the same food and clothes as one own eats and clothes himself with. Also one should torture or harm them as it is one of the most major sins. Also scholars jave also stated like sheikh al Islam Ibn Tayymiyah, who said that if a non-muslim takes part in the muslim army as a soldier and fights along with muslims, them that non-muslim is exempted from paying taxes. Also just like a mulim who can but doesn't pay zakat is punished or imprisoned, a non-muslim who is capable of paying but doesn't, neither becomes part of the army, is also imprisoned also just the same way as a citizen of a liberal ,secular world who has pay income taxes but choses not to will also be imprisoned

[@pagangods5191]

Highway robbers.

[@JhutaNabi]

A service fee, huh? “Make them an offer they can’t refuse” ~Don Corleone, The Godfather There is a Biblical pattern Muhammadans may not be aware of. As they do to others, so it will be done to them. Good and bad!

[@misterchansey]

So slimey...

[@abdulbaasit4335]

I don’t see what is wrong. If you don’t pay your taxes, you’re punished. So what’s wrong with them punishing you for not paying your taxes ?

[@theastronomer5800]

What is wrong is how this tax is payed. When you pay tax to any government, do you have to pay it with humiliation and numerous conditions that humiliate you? Please read the tafsir of Ibn Kathir on 9:29 for example: Allah said, حَتَّى يُعْطُواْ الْجِزْيَةَ (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, عَن يَدٍ (with willing submission), in defeat and subservience, وَهُمْ صَـغِرُونَ (and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. (Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.) This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace. The scholars of Hadith narrated from `Abdur-Rahman bin Ghanm Al-Ash`ari that he said, "I recorded for `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, the terms of the treaty of peace he conducted with the Christians of Ash-Sham: `In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration nor use any of them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims. We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night, and we will open the doors of our houses of worship for the wayfarer and passerby. Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days. We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit or betrayal against Muslims. We will not teach our children the Qur'an, publicize practices of Shirk, invite anyone to Shirk or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so. We will respect Muslims, move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them. We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, or ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons. We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic, or sell liquor. We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist, refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets. We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices with prayer at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets. We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.' When I gave this document to `Umar, he added to it, `We will not beat any Muslim. These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.'''

[@quotingproperly355]

@@theastronomer5800 Surah At-Tawbah 9.29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture, '1' until they pay the tax,'2' willingly submitting, fully humbled." "قَـٰتِلُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَلَا بِٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ ٱلْحَقِّ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُوا۟ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا۟ ٱلْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍۢ وَهُمْ صَـٰغِرُونَ ٢٩" Explanation 1 " To fully understand this verse we need to bear in mind that Quranic verses are of two types. General verses talk about belief in Allah, good manners, and acts of worship. Specific verses, such as this verse, were revealed in regards to particular situations. This sûrah came at a time when the pagans of Arabia (and their allies) repeatedly violated treaties they had signed with the Prophet (ﷺ). Muslims had to fight for the survival of their newly established state in Medina. So this verse discusses dealing with those who violated their agreements and attacked the Muslims. Offenders were fought, unless they stopped their aggression. If they chose not to accept Islam, they were obligated to pay Jizya-tax." Explanation 2 " Taxation systems have existed since ancient times. There are several references in the Old Testament (e.g., Ezra 4:20). In the New Testament, Jesus allows paying taxes to Caesar (Luke 20:25). Under Islamic rule, all individuals had financial obligations-Muslims paid zakâh (2.5% of their savings) and non-Muslims (ⱬimmîs) were required to pay jizyah (tax for protection from foreign enemies). The jizyah was an average of one dinar (4.25 g of gold) annually. Women, children, the elderly, the clergy, the poor, and those who were unable to work were exempt. Those who opted to join the army were also exempt. Poor ⱬimmîs were supported financially by the state. Muslim rulers refunded the jizyah if they failed to protect their non-Muslim subjects." These are all readily available for you online.

[@bbccnn8836]

So people who come from outside of US should also pay service fee as they enjoy freedom of speech and expression and religion which is not available in their country of origin, facilities and opportunities which is not there before, high paying jobs... All these are nit available in thei country of origin..... So Islam teaches pay jazia... 🤣😅😂

[@sounakbanerjee1892]

You are using presentism to understand this subject which is totally unacademic. Lets dissect your claims, during pre-modern times, expansionist wars were part of the world order. Every king did it from alexander to richard to Chandragupta to suleiman. In Islam law before war, the kingdoms, specifically the kings of that kingdom, that were to be annexed were often asked to either accept Islam and be part of the larger Ummah or to surrender and agree to pay jizya or tribute and the ruler will often be allowed to rule. If they accepted either of the two, then the war is not supposed to take place. If the kingdom refuses, then obviously the war took place. If the muslims win, obviously they will become rulers of the land and hence implementing sharia and like every king imposes tax, the muslim ruler will also impose tax. For non-muslims , it will be jizya. And just like zakat, poor, disabled, women, children and even monks of other religions are exempted from paying jizya. Rather the poors are helped from the treasury of the muslim kingdom as we find the example of poor Jewish man who was given pension by hazrat Umar. As far as enslaving, only those among the enemy camps fighting or assisting in the battlefield are taken as captives and not the general inhabitants who didn't took part in the battle. Also that was the norm of those days. Also the muslim ruler can also release them free like Sultan Salahuddin did to the Christians. Also what needs to be taken into account is jihad al talab or offensive expansionist war is not compulsory on individuals but on Muslim states and also according to all scholars it is not compulsory in all time particularly in modern days when there is a shift in the world order and where all muslim states have territorial agreements with other nations as Quran clearly tells to uphold treaties and agreements

[@TheQuranExplainsItself]

Here’s the alleged “jizya” which only means recompense. [33:26] He also brought down their allies among the people of the scripture from their secure positions, and threw terror into their hearts. Some of them you killed, and some you took captive. [33:27] He made you INHERIT THEIR LAND, THEIR HOMES, THEIR MONEY, and lands you had never stepped on. GOD is in full control of all things. That’s how straightforward it is 😂 And it’s all because they allied with the enemies of the prophet. [59:2] He is the One who evicted those who disbelieved among the people of the scripture from their homes in a mass exodus. You never thought that they would leave, and they thought that their preparations would protect them from GOD. But then GOD came to them whence they never expected, and threw terror into their hearts. Thus, they abandoned their homes on their own volition, in addition to pressure from the believers. You should learn from this, O you who possess vision. [59:3] If GOD did not force them to leave, He would have requited them in this life (even worse than forcing them to leave). In the Hereafter He will commit them to the retribution of Hell. [59:4] This is because they opposed GOD and His messenger. For those who oppose GOD and His messenger, GOD is most strict in enforcing retribution. That simple. These criminals do not speak for Islam!

[@newintellectual.]

I am an apostate and an enemy of Islam and Muhammad. I will fight till death to make sure Islamic theocracy does not rule over me. I will never ever pay a single penny for jizya. I believe in freedom of speech and religion and individualism. You can say that these shyakhs like Uthman ibn Farooq are criminals, but they do have a major voice and representation in Islam and Muslims. They do represent Muhammad's sunnah of terrorizing the unbelievers.

[@TheQuranExplainsItself]

@@newintellectual. then channel your energy usefully and go for the Hadiith merchants. There’s nothing in the Quran anyone sane can have a problem with.

[@newintellectual.]

@@TheQuranExplainsItself Whatever you posted in your original comment is actually from the Qur'an. The Qur'an contains enough garbage that we don't even need to refer to Ahadith to refute it and be disgusted by it.

[@TheQuranExplainsItself]

@@newintellectual. go ahead then quote it.

[@newintellectual.]

@@TheQuranExplainsItself You cited the quotes yourself. Take [59:4] for example and see if that is not the most disgusting, totalitarian, and life-controlling statements then I don't want to know how low your standards have to go to enslave someone who doesn't believe in your specific ideology. I oppose the so-called Allah and Muhammad by not believing and living my life in accordance with Islam ( I live my life based on my beliefs and rules) and for that reason, I'm threatened by enforcement of retribution. I would advocate my philosophy, but I will never enforce it on others by lashing out threats of retribution.

[@mariamagda2633]

The perfect religion, is n it

[@nazhasan428]

Yes, if you dont pay instead of warning, you will be punished. That is fair.

[@MM-oj8vb]

So my wife and my child, who wouldn’t have the money, should be enslaved? They should be punished? You’re kidding right? So if you don’t pay your taxes, you wouldn’t mind if the, say, American government abduct your children and wife and make them slaves, including sex slavery? Ok. Thank you for reminding me why Islam is from the pits of hell. Also- try it, see what happens to your little caliphate...

[@WolphL0]

@@MM-oj8vb Jizya is exempt upon the poor, the incapable, the unemployed, the hermits, the women and children, the ones serving in the military and those who simply can't afford to pay it. If you CAN'T pay it, then you're excused. But if you can pay it but REFUSE to pay it, then punishment comes. Be sure to do your research before braying like this.

[@klauscleber4519]

@@WolphL0 Why is it necessary to have two kinds of taxes (Muslems pay zakat - disbelievers pay Jiziah). Why not: All the people of the country pay taxes? Why is the difference so important ?

[@WolphL0]

@@klauscleber4519 Why is it so important? To distinguish between the believers and the unbelievers.

[@klauscleber4519]

@@WolphL0 ...Why is this important?

[@elizabethgeorge4708]

He is such a fibber. What a services?

[@جودفريحظاسعيدا]

Ok like he is God

[@pro-lb9ix]

Liar

[@FreshWholeMilk]

What a liar lol