Train DEAD LINES & Locomotive Restoration

[@nikerailfanningttm9046]

I own one of the very few AC6000CW parts catalogs that CSX took delivery of. Of the total 19 of them sent to CSX, 17 were sent to heavy overhaul facilities and 2 were sent directly to the Jacksonville General Office Building. My copy covers the cab, internal computer systems, and car body. The trucks and frame were part of a seperate catalog. The engine itself had its own catalog as well. Units 600-602 are the pre-production units, and they have their own seperate parts diagrams while the 603-636 have their parts diagrams shown on the pages following the 600-602. The catalog number for the pre production units is GEX-12293-01 while the updated version is the same as the first but with 02 instead of 01. Some of the parts diagrams are dated as far back as 1987 for example, the car body door latches. Ironic how the only 3 remaining 6000’s left on CSX are the original Pre-Production units, yet are now in dead storage. If CSX donates one of them to a museum, I’ll probably bring the parts catalog to reunite it with the unit, but I won’t donate the catalog to that museum.

[@v12productions]

That's awesome!

[@Lakecountyrailfan]

You know if they are good for rebuilding?

[@ryanfrogz]

@@LakecountyrailfanUP did it, CSX could do it too.

[@Railfantastic]

I hate to see those old locomotives sitting at Waycross cold, dead, and likely to never run a train again.

[@RAtheGoodRailfanner_888]

They should get rebuilt if Csx cares.

[@imightormightnot]

Really sad. To think of all the great things they've done in their life. I'm sure many can be salvaged, even if only for local runs.

[@RAtheGoodRailfanner_888]

@@imightormightnot Or put some engines like more EMDs on yard duty meaning they would get a 2nd chance at life.

[@imightormightnot]

@@RAtheGoodRailfanner_888 totally agreed. But this is never the way these engines should go out. Or how about rebuilding and making more heritage units? I'd love to see that!!!

[@RAtheGoodRailfanner_888]

@@imightormightnot Me too.

[@AnalytiKroll]

At first, I didn't agree with Metra's plan with the MACH's but after seeing how cheap they now are getting each locomotive at $900k ea it a smart use of funds. Hopefully they start seeing use on lines other than the Milwaukee District such as the BNSF and Rock Island District. I'm pretty sure they can't run on the Union Pacific Lines due to being too heavy for most of the bridges on the UP-North Line which is why you only see F40's and F59's on those lines and no MP36's, the newest no-rebuild locomotive in their fleet. The livery is the best of the non-heritage liveries they use.

[@Sacto1654]

This is why I wonder is Metra interested in the former Caltrain F40PH-2 units.

[@AnalytiKroll]

@@Sacto1654 The grant used to electrify the corridor required that the engines be removed. If they are returned to service, it'll be as Amtrak Cabcars while Siemens is backlogged.

[@SignalLightProductions]

With the cost of rebuilding, they're $4.7 million each. Substantially less than the cost of a new Charger at about $10 million, but still not cheap

[@AnalytiKroll]

@@SignalLightProductions Whoops, I was the cost per locomotive of the change order for the 9 additional locomotives they purchased for $8.4 Million.

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

​@@Sacto1654 I feel like Metra may be losing interest in purchasing second hand F40PHs considering how much more horsepower the SD70MACHs have compared to the F40PH and other Metra locomotives they currently have. Not to mention, the EMD 710ECO has tier 3 standards compared to tier 0 for the rest of the fleet, so while the MACHs aren't the MP54s, Chargers, or F125s when it comes to horsepower and emissions, they have likely already created a lot of savings in operating costs for Metra than buying additional second hand F40PHS would. So I think Metra could actually be more likely purchase more MACHs than second hand F40PHs, while the Caltrain F40PHS may more likely go to FIT in Mexico than Metra. (FIT is becoming a foamer's wet dream at this point, lol) Besides, the F40PH-4C existed for a year already and Metra hasn't said a word about them. Kinda makes someone think.

[@KerryRock-i7x]

The Wheeling and Lake Erie is too proud to purchase any of these locomotives, especially for yard switching. Those slugs are worth a million.

[@thomasmackowiak]

Thank you for this informative video on the CSX's deadlines in Waycross, Georgia, and Progress Rails rebuild facility in Patterson, Georgia. I enjoyed watching the video. The Metra SD70MAC's are being used on former Milwaukee Road lines that leave the north side of Union Station in Chicago to go west to Elgin, Illinois, or north and west to Fox Lake, Illinois or to Antioch, Illinois. (Posted on 28 October 2024 at 1442 CDT.)

[@stevesummers2462]

They are also on the Rock Island, the Burlington, U.P., C.P. and whatever other lines owned or operated by Metra!

[@v12productions]

Thanks for watching!

[@AnalytiKroll]

@@stevesummers2462 The MACH's currently operate exclusively out of Western Ave Yard for the Milwaukee District and North Central Service lines. I assume there are plans to get them operating out of the Roosevelt and 47th street yards but that probably won't happen until the additional locomotives are delivered. They definitely won't be running on the UP lines due to weight restriction on the bridges along the UP-North. They instead are getting all the F40-3's and F59's that are being replaced by the MACHs to replace the F40-2's.

[@JessicaKasumi1990]

It's truly remarkable how locomotives go through their cycle. Nothing lasts forever, but, it's always important to cherish what you get when you can. Once it's gone, it's gone.

[@Big_Tuck_Enterprises]

I saw the CSX 38 locomotive today coming out of Cincinnati

[@TrainsInCartersville]

I’m going to waycross to see the deadline in a few days and I can’t wait! Awesome video as always!

[@v12productions]

Cool. Thanks!

[@user-hb5fo2mr2p]

You NEED to get to LTEX in Mcdonald and Lordstown, Ohio. Few Thousand locomotives waiting to die, every railroad big small and defunct represented. Anything from UP C40-8s, SP SD40T-2s, UP NRE Gensets, BNSF GP30s, BN E8as, NYC F9s, and even 2 of the last 4 surviving F45s. All waiting to be scrapped.

[@trainzguy2472]

Don't forget, the last surviving GP40X equipped with EMD's experimental HT-B trucks!

[@user-hb5fo2mr2p]

@@trainzguy2472 Yep, literally everything. Alco, Baldwin, EMD, GE, NRE, In House Rebuilds, Just about every manufacturer

[@CSXTNALProductions]

Hey its Number 44! Ive seen number 44 Leading a Oil Train on the CSX M&M line or what i like to call the L&N Dixie Line, Had a Freindly Engineer and some Freindly Honks its on my Account Profile Videos!

[@paulkoza8652]

Thanks, Charlie. Your videos, photography, and narration are always first rate.

[@v12productions]

Thank you!

[@AlexanderSkinnerVids]

I saw more than half of the current Metra MACH fleet back in August at Canal Street during rush hour. So happy to see a rebirth of six-axle passenger power!

[@vancepomerening4794]

Excellent report!

[@v12productions]

Thanks!

[@aloneinhardeeville]

I remember seeing 6009/507 coming down out of Manchester together, 507’s down in Patterson for heavy mechanical fixtures, 6009 is being rebuilt.

[@detroitdieselseries5071]

That would be 5866, 5908, 6009 and 6073

[@me734]

What's old is new again, what an economic idea! Great subject matter V12

[@v12productions]

Thanks!

[@Rickybnsf]

0:52 upon farther observation, that is not Squidward Tentacles

[@RealJeep]

Only older folks would know that's Pogo Possum.

[@shawntaber4475]

Thanks for showing the Patterson facility.

[@HunterWilliams-le9bk]

From what I’ve heard, CSX is rebuilding some of their GP40-2s into GP40-3s, they’re also rebuilding 5 of their SD40-2s into SD40-3s as well.

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

I do hope that some of these engines are able to get preserved, and if not preserved, rebuilt to continue their lives running on the rails.

[@robertdean9392]

Another great video. I'm glad to see the rebuilds.and the engines being returned to active service in freight. as well as passenger. This process, as you said, is financially cheaper than new power and is like receiving brand new power when rebuild and upgrades are completed.

[@v12productions]

Thanks!

[@OfficialRailFanTay_Productions]

I caught CP 5866 yesterday on M605-28!

[@steverudder3321]

I myself have a very difficult time parting with things that I don't use anymore. "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" -Steven Wright.

[@ChessieRailfan8272]

What kind of drone do you use and how much is it. I want to get some shots over the erie pa shops. Great finds as well!! Edit: love that chessie system caboose in the background!!

[@v12productions]

I use the Air 2S. It was around $1400 for the drone, two extra batteries and the remote.

[@ChessieRailfan8272]

@v12productions ok thanks. It's going to be a lot of saving money😂

[@3RTracing]

Nice piece, great videography, and good story line. It is important to note that most of the rebuilds are EMD products, that when dead lined still had the potential to provide owners and lessee's millions of more revenue miles. The EMD products were well engineered and well built solutions when built and lend themselves to rebuilding and repurposing. Short lines, and metro commuter rail are heavily populated with retired and rebuilt AMTRAK EMD products. They are just considerably better locomotives than the GE products. In the words of one of my BNSF corporate engineering staff friends the GE's are "cheap and expendable". I think we will continue to see Progress, and other motive power builders and rebuilders restore, rebuild and return much more EMD products to the rails than that of GE products. That is the current trend, and will probably continue to be the case in the future.

[@railfannoah5762]

NS plans to rebuild all of the SD70M-2 fleet into the fairly new SD70ICCs. Even though it will be slow which I believe the C6M rebuild that is still on going is holding it back but there will be more of them! They also rebuilt their acquired AC4400CWs and did retain the 3900 series road number, as I know 3966, 3980, 3981, and several others have been completed

[@RAtheGoodRailfanner_888]

How many AC44s will ns rebuild? Just 100 or 209?

[@railfannoah5762]

@ Probably 100. They got nearly 10 4400CWs rebuilt at Wabtec in Ft. Worth

[@class50thrasher]

Cool video my friend! I never knew Wabtec did anything in the USA I only knew about their stuff over here in the UK. We're quite GE and EMD deprived over here but they're very reliable forms of motive power. EMD gave us the 16-645 powered class 59s first then we asked for a more modern design where we got the 12-710 powered class 66's aswell as the 67's with main differences being the 67's had 4 axles compared to the 66's 6 axles and the 67's were designed for top speed and were limited to 125mph (Though they rarely got up to that speed), and after them GE came in with the class 70's with a first batch made in canada and a second batch being 70099(now 70801) to 70817 which were made in turkey.

[@GrnArrow092]

It REALLY surprises me to find Pan Am Railways locomotives down in Georgia. Those locomotives were once used to pull executive trains carrying the company executives on their way to different destinations. I guess those now former PAR locomotives are no longer needed since CSX acquired Pan Am Railways in 2022.

[@chuxproductions1090]

Nice view of the once active now abuse of those old Locomotives !

[@DebbieSuttle]

I feel sorry for these trains sitting like that but at least some are getting rebuilt now that's what I call a train yard awesome csx trains and old ns trains too that's too many trains slugs wow 😊❤🎉

[@kens.3729]

Since the Cost of New Units Sell. between one (1) and two (2) Million dollars, it’s NO surprise that the Railroads have Units Rebuilt in large numbers. 🤔👍

[@armandoperez7967]

All those SD40s can be rebuilt for local service. The Dash 8-40CWs can be rebuilt as Dash 9s and perfectly match with the large fleet of such locomotives in Brazil.

[@ShawnCalay]

Brasil has no need for used locomotives anymore. GE and progress now build new locomotives there....

[@i.a.1475]

@@ShawnCalay Could be used as a cheaper alternative, though new railways are forbidden to buy them by the government. Plus the existing ones can't handle the extra weight of heavy haul locomotives

[@ShawnCalay]

@@i.a.1475 yup...I worked on a shortline for 5 out of my 21 years of railway work....RailNet or should I say Omnitrax scrapped the B23-7s in favor of ex CNW SD60s and a BN SD40-2....your telling the we ng person....that went horribly wrong on a no maintained program

[@ShawnCalay]

@@i.a.1475 no they are not forbidden....stop making stuff up! A railway can buy a SD7 if they want, but it has to be tiered correctly....actually railways like BNSF were retiring GP7s and getting them back as gensets.

[@i.a.1475]

@@ShawnCalay I'm not making stuff up. It's the rules here in Brazil!

[@justinmalachinski1]

Those SD70Mac-h’s come through the BRC (Belt railway of Chicago) where I work at. We have all kinds of cool stuff by the diesel shop.

[@v12productions]

Sweet!

[@armandoperez7967]

I wouldn’t mind seeing the oldest Evolution Series locomotives being remanufactured into ES44C4P locomotives with head end power, painted in the Amtrak Pointless Arrow Paint Scheme like the SDP40Fs wore and assigned to the long distance western trains and the Auto Train. Leave the Chargers for short and medium distance trains.

[@atsf855sanbernardinocounty85]

Save Santa Fe #875 C40-8W donate over to railroad heritage midwest of america restoration Santa Fe #875 back in full operational also restored back into Santa Fe’s Red Sliver Warbonnet colors

[@richardbrobeck2384]

Great video !!

[@baracc10]

Great video. I saw a CN locomotive Last Tuesday in my Alberta Canada home town. I think it was rebuilt. It was an SD75 aac. It was CN 8307

[@v12productions]

Cool. Thanks!

[@class77sncb]

the old engines stored are a supply for the railroad, when there is greater demand for traintransport...Greetings from Germany !

[@AlanMullen-w1f]

Lots of Iron 💪🙋 thanks.

[@teddyc.newton4874]

Absolutely, Way-cross Georgia is “hot”and humid😓Great 🎥 as always. 🙏

[@v12productions]

Thanks!

[@ЛЬВИНИ]

Nice railway video, Like!!!

[@v12productions]

Thanks!

[@CreamyPennePasta]

Have you ever had issues with progress rail regarding fly drones over the facility? I got a cease and desist for taking a picture from the air

[@railyardfilms6491]

Happy Halloween 4 Thursday

[@malcolmdean6899]

It's a bummer that most locomotives have fallen into the duopoly GE VS EMD. I wonder if they sell old locomotives, as that would be a fun toy to own.

[@OliviaSanchez-i5g]

Your videos are a real find for anyone looking for interesting and quality content. Thank you for your creativity and labor!🛻🤡🧨

[@kcsm3812fsrr4400]

that's super cool Nice video!

[@v12productions]

Thanks!

[@DarrenHudson-g2x]

I want to see the ac6000s get a new repaint and a new 4400 horsepower motor if possible

[@Sunset4Semaphores]

Fly!

[@Random_Sh9945]

Those dash 8/9s and 6000s need to make a return to the rails again >:(

[@RAtheGoodRailfanner_888]

I agree I feel like Csx can fix them up. But only 7649-7761 are retired.

[@patrickt7]

The Dash-8s will likely not run again on CSX (excluding their Pan Am trackage and acquired locomotives.) They made the executive decision to sideline the last of their fleet as of January of this year. The only CSX-painted Dash-8 currently active on the roster is 9280, which was also part of the Pan Am acquisition.

[@RAtheGoodRailfanner_888]

@@patrickt7 So the pam am ones will stay active for a few more years? Why won’t those retire if Csx bought them out. Why aren’t the dash 8s never to return? Can’t Csx just care to at least sell them all or scrap them if there just gonna sit there?

[@Random_Sh9945]

@@RAtheGoodRailfanner_888 I mean take a look at NS dash-8s, they pretty much scrapped all of them prob cuz they weren’t good enough. Idk if I’m right but CSX are probably gonna use the spare parts for their new CM44AC’s or try and rebuild all of the dash-8s (which sounds very unlikely but never know).

[@RAtheGoodRailfanner_888]

@@Random_Sh9945 How could they rebuild the dash 8s?

[@seaboard544]

Nice video V12! I caught NS 4003 today on E50 today!

[@gokusdojo9751]

I was planning to go to selma today too dang it

[@seaboard544]

@@gokusdojo9751 4003 is in selma right now, probably gonna get on E51 and go back to pomona around 4 am

[@v12productions]

Thanks!

[@RVA1954]

It was interesting to see the two PanAm F7s on your video. Besides being a model railroader I am a big anything PanAm fan. Hopefully you’ll have a video featuring those units.

[@trainor6productions4268]

Those are the former pan am OCS locomotives. Former Canadian national F9 6505 and 6516

[@waxlymolding]

@@trainor6productions4268 Pan Am actually got those in trade from Conway Scenic Railroad in NH.

[@anb7408]

I bet these guys are wishing the previous idiot CSX president hadn't ordered all those tracks to be taken up, now. It eliminated several miles of track that stuff could've been stored on. The same president who stupidly ordered Tilford Yard to be demolished and ripped up.

[@paulcastillo1310]

This was cool 😎 video

[@v12productions]

Thanks!

[@paulcastillo1310]

@v12productions your welcome and are you going to do more videos like this maybe soon?

[@nathandelay]

Have you heard from DJ trains on KZbin he says CSX train driver. He said an interview on his KZbin channel. Those engines are meant to be in storage. He’s been an engineer since 1999. And I have met him many times he’s awesome. Also he lives in Pittsburgh.

[@nathandelay]

If you see the guy on the Conrail engine moving the phone around, that’s me and I was the one holding the camera to DJ while he was explaining how to run a train in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHnKf5mQlr6sfMUsi=uiA9bYc8D0icbfiN

[@nathandelay]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2m2pX-mga1lmbcsi=iL_ldu-hhjBkExu0 one and two are the ones that I think that might answer question of why the trains are in the yards

[@nathandelay]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKe7pauil5mqn9Usi=DGoYqqzs_hItYroZ

[@icosthop9998]

TY 👍

[@Railvisuals]

I love the video but somehow the sound quality for VO is noticeably worse than for example the frame with you talking to the camera.

[@budwhite9591]

Make sure to double check that bulletproof glass on them Chicago engines

[@snewsom2997]

There is another shop like this in Mt Vernon Il, NRE Locomotive, that rebuilds locomotives, it's a neat place.

[@therailfanman2078]

I remember seeing those Pam Am F units on the OCS train. They look in good condition, wonder what they plan on doing with them.

[@UnionPacific1943-hz2oc]

I think the CSX locomotives should rebuild and repaint CSX needs to take care of the locomotives

[@SilverThunder710]

Imagine if PRLX begins rebuilding SD70M-2s for passenger service

[@julianhudson7811]

The only way these "dead locomotives" could be brought back is if railroads are banned from using precision scheduled railroading. I'd much rather have more trains and smaller consists instead of fewer trains and bigger consists that stretch on for miles.

[@MrNorth69]

Has very little to do with PSR. Those are fuel guzzlers and antiques. do you work on the railroad?

[@jamesroberts1810]

I have an old engine yard down da street from me...I've hung out there..and took some photos

[@theoldbayrailfan]

When to one yesterday lol

[@buecomet831]

I just hate that these engines who are 30 years old, don't look old at all, sure a bit rusty and their tech is old, but seriously, it ain't hard to at least restore some CSX engines like a Dash-8 or maybe something unique.

[@Tsass0]

Wasn't the Paterson out facility privately owned in the not too distant past?

[@truckinpoppop6777]

On a different subject, I know Birmingham AL is a train mecca. Does anyone have any recommendations for railfanning that area?

[@johncherrington6080]

Hi really interesting video so thanks you for sharing. How many dead units are there in the yard looks like well over 100. In the UK older types of loco that have become surplus to requirements are sometimes bought by private individuals/groups and restored to use on the many preserved lines we have over here. Does the same thing happen over there?

[@detroitdieselseries5071]

UK railways are a lot different and they don’t need PSR at all

[@MrNorth69]

Class 3 Short lines and short lines buy surplus engines.. large industrial companies do the same

[@v12productions]

Thanks! Yeah, I would think close to 100 at Waycross.

[@richardjulien8745]

Hi Charlie,any idea the avereage price of a brand new locomotive ? and how much can it cost to make a rebuilt unit just an average?thank you Charlie and keep on the good work from Richard.

[@MrNorth69]

2 million for a brand new tier 4.. half a million + to rebuild

[@matthewthebluey-brony-trai8006]

I hate to see these locomotives rotting away in the storage yards because they are completely abandoned and abused by the elements of weather

[@Branddenthepinkgoldpeachfan]

*Same Here*

[@QualityControl2271]

It's a shame to see this.

[@NickG540]

That’s cool

[@detroitdieselseries5071]

Didn’t they added PTC on CP Rail SD40-2 5866?

[@SuperOwensTrainsYT]

1:30 I am on the pan am system

[@KermitNationStudios]

I was wondering where these went. It was always a treat to see them

[@GMCGUY-]

Pam lines is now CSX

[@GMCGUY-]

Much more active now

[@imightormightnot]

I hate to see engines meet their death. I understand it's a necessary evil, but nonetheless, hate to see it...

[@Busandrailfan]

I’m just here for Metra

[@JasonsYoutubeVideos]

I believe that paint metra locomotive had a problem & was sent back to have it fixed but I could be wrong

[@9983sp]

I've scrapped a few of them.

[@Trainplaneenjoyer]

RIP CSX ⚡️601⚡️

[@ed1011]

😀

[@Beechnut985]

REF

[@TomStarcevich-fb3qo]

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