The Lore of Elden Ring is Cursed

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00:25 I: Omen
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[@VaatiVidya]

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[@odstkchamp7719]

Before I even start the video, since I am early. Just wanted to say keep up the amazing work Vaati! Your videos and how you create them will forever be unique and bring me back. Much love!

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

Hey Vaati, when are you releasing the Armored Core 6 lore video? You said it was "Almost done" 3 months ago, so I hope soon.

[@daemonphil3132]

[@xanderbrindle]

It's a little bit gross, but I think everyone is sleeping on cutaneous horns. They're real. Look that up at your own parole, though. Basically, they're unusual keratinous skin tumors with the appearance of horns, or sometimes of wood or coral. I still think it's an aspect of the crucible, but the inspiration is key. Like cancer or tumors, it's uncontrollable, unchecked, life. The mechanism of death has been removed, and therefore the cancer/ tumors can grow. The "aspect" of the crucible, is life AND mutation. I believe "destined death", the crucible, the Erd Tree (and it's many incarnations), and the many other gods (serpent, chaos, rot) have been locked in incomprehensible battle to control the lands, through their vessels. All of powerful beings in eldenring are just choosing a more powerful being to serve.

[@thegodsgod8116]

WHAT HAPPEN TO THE 3H LONG VIDEO LORE OF Armored Core 6

[@StanleyG23]

"Why did Mohg think abducting Miquella was a good idea?" followed up by Mohg shouting: "SEX!" was an amazing bit.

[@coreyhansen9711]

instant demonetize

[@draw2death421]

Even tho 'SEX' is latin for 6 it fits lol.

[@formorian5]

I'm ashamed of myself for snorting at that...

[@98Dreadboy]

​@@draw2death421Also in Swedish!

[@CaliDraco]

He actually wanted his power but miquellas power made him love him in a weird way. But he was never attracted to him let’s be clear. Think of lord of rings and gollum saying “my precious” to the ring

[@Joandersonso]

Using the sigil right in front of Varré after he gives to you and says that you must not use it yet is one of the funniest things i've ever done in my first playthrough.

[@FLITT]

I didn't even wait for him to finish speaking 😂

[@14branflake]

Varre "now my lambkin not quite yet..." Me gotta farm runes byyyeeeeee

[@Astartes00]

onodera

[@zonk1580]

i like the idea that his reason for invading you in the mausoleum is just mild annoyance at you doing the exact opposite of what he told you to do

[@austinmccon2759]

Every time

[@SamFullbuster24]

I really wanted Miquella to be a “good” character as the concept of abundance, of kindness and him doing everything in his power to save Malenia, and building a sanctuary for the outcasts. His quote “this is for thee, mine abundance” really made me quite fond of him. I really hope he isn’t a snake (togethaaaaa)

[@xviii5780]

Knowing what usually happens to good people in from games (Solaire ;-;), I'd not have my hopes up either way

[@BaihakiDwiWahyuKuncara]

Seems you have been bewitched by Miquella's power.

[@amannamedsquid313]

@@xviii5780 That's how it usually goes: either they were good at one point and are not good anymore by the time we show up, the "Good" part was a front/sham/lie the whole time, or they remain good and then die or go insane.

[@SamFullbuster24]

@@BaihakiDwiWahyuKuncara Of course. Lord Miquella all the way. Saying it now as he might be a griffith reference, he didn't do anything wrong.

[@cartooncritique6625]

@@xviii5780 In Fromsoft games, no good deed goes unpunished.

[@jonhudson3568]

The "War Surgeons" having that name reminds me of the "Quartermasters" in 40k who comb across battlefields to recover usable supplies from the dead and dying troopers, mercy killing them if they can

[@lavalarva7728]

HE DID DE "VI" JOKE YES

[@_syedmx86]

"I'm gonna get demonitized for that one" lol

[@israelmitchell3480]

That threw me off guard 🤣

[@allanslaterr121]

Time stamp?

[@richter1934]

​@@allanslaterr12157:36

[@hello_storm]

@@allanslaterr12157:35

[@robynsperle116]

I said this on the Miquella video but in the "Age of Stars" questline we hear character's refer to Ranni's journey to godhood called the "dark path of the empyrean" and "only a path that she may tread" that for her to summon her order she needed to divest herself of everything that attached herself to the Two fingers and the Golden Order. I wonder if at some point Miquella realized the same thing - that to found his order he needed to divest himself of all that he is to become a new god altogether. That going to the "Land of Shadows" is his solitary dark path to becoming a god.

[@serpentnightrevival1151]

dam so he did betray malenia

[@yohanbh1034]

I'm not gonna be surprised especially if miyazaki-sensei had literally reference too hard with the situation Griffith.

[@BenefitCounterbench]

@@serpentnightrevival1151 Malenia also "betrayed" Miquella in a sense by becoming the Rot goddess. His trying to cure her was the main reason he turned away from the Golden Order.

[@arditlika9388]

No, Miquella just had to transition into a woman to become a God. A God needs to bear children. It's not some mysterious concept, it's a title given to high royalty. It's why Ranni hates the fingers so much, she would have had her agency removed and only become a vessel to bear children, in service of her lord (likely Godwyn himself). She accepts your offer, because in that questline, she retains her agency and is not shackled to you. Basically Mohg needs a marriage with proper royalty to legitimize his rule, Miquella is the only one within his reach.

[@tangledfish]

@@arditlika9388Unfortunately Miquella never got past being an egg.

[@leonardoremmie]

This is the first video I've seen of yours but the the voice over, editing, footage and everything is incredible. You mention it wasn't your editing and footage but the combination of it all is incredible. And I'm relatviely new to the game so thank you for the information

[@VaatiVidya]

My pleasure!

[@seanduncan9310]

@@VaatiVidyano chick fil a sowce?

[@lionelhutt9119]

What I think you may have potentially overlooked the implications of, is Omens having horns at birth. Trigger warning for body horror For common folk, without godly constitution it would almost definitely lead to the mothers death. the horns would tear. That may be why it became considered less sacred in a order ruled by a Goddess. Bloodborn also delves into the horrific side of motherhood and childbirth, so it would be a recurring theme for Miazaki.

[@unterhau1102]

Reminds me of the trolls from berserk. Although more brutal, and less consensual...

[@LEO_M1]

I don’t know if that’s even relevant. Some item descriptions and Melena herself talk about how people aren’t born from mothers, but from the Erdtree itself. Melena talks to you about Boc, saying she hears him crying often about how he misses his mom and how he wants her to call him beautiful, and Melena muses saying “is that what it’s like to be born from a mother?” You’re born of the Tree and when you die, you’re buried as close to its roots as possible so that it can reabsorb you.

[@Haarunen]

My theory for why Mohg's illusion is in the sewers, is that it's there to ward off tarnished from finding the frenzied flame. It's my head-canon that even though Morgott and Mohg have parted ways long ago, they both agree that the frenzied flame should not be found, and that's why both Mohg's illusion as well as Morgott's seal is there to stop the tarnished from finding it. This might even be somewhat supported by the fact that Morgott never names Mohg before his bossfight as he's listing the demigods who betrayed the Erdtree.

[@MrFallenone]

Well Mogh never tried to take the Runes of others. He just found his and left. The others raised armies and fought for the Elden Throne.

[@Pizzifrizzo]

I agree on the Frenzied Flame part. Another reason why Mohg isn't mentioned by Morgott in his speech is, I think, that he only listed the demigods who at one time held a throne in Leyndell. In other words, the members of the "sovereign alliance" that was shattered by "a bloody conspiracy".

[@Noizzed]

​@@PizzifrizzoExactly, he cannot betray something he was never part of.

[@huyhungpham3877]

@Haarunen The Three Finger: " Hey, you two. Any interests for the Frenzy Flame and let chaos take the world?" The Omen Twin: "No, we have so many people that come after us, f off" 🗿

[@joshwhitney4548]

Isn’t this literally mentioned as one of the theories in the video?

[@seishinrosu]

"Why did Mohg think abducting Miquella was a good idea...?" Mohg: SEX

[@cenatraa]

fr?

[@tktvr9703]

@@cenatraa fr 57:35

[@lc193]

I can’t lie though, Miquella is hella fine 🙏

[@WillGlacier]

@@lc193 HUH??? Bro they have the body of a child fym 😭

[@unterhau1102]

​@@WillGlacierif the age is on the clock, they're ready for the co-

[@m-sama2140]

If your last theory is right, which I think it is, it would make Mohg an almost direct parallel to the player’s story throughout the game and especially Ranni’s quest and ending. The Omen and the Tarnished are clearly not popular throughout the lands between. The Omen obviously more so, but the Tarnished are definitely disliked by many. Our entire goal, like Mohg, is to become Lord. During Ranni’s quest, we assist an Empyrean, who has already cast off their flesh, in casting off the Two Fingers and their grace. Almost identical to how Miquella has potentially cast off his flesh using the cocoon and then needed Mohg’s help casting off his grace. Then finally, having cast off both flesh and grace, Ranni is able to ascend above the Elden Ring and travel to somewhere far from the Lands Between. Similar to how Miquella has now cast off flesh and grace and traveled to the Shadow World. The only differences being that in Miquella’s case, Mohg is dead and not being brought with him unlike us with Ranni. Another difference is likely their goals. Ranni’s goal was to create a world where the outer gods has no influence and people had true free will. Miquella’s goals are still pretty mysterious. It would be cool if in the dlc we get the option to assist or fight Miquella and if it unlocks a new ending similar to Ranni’s. It would make sense as well for there to keep being parallels between Ranni and Miquella since they’re pretty parallel of each other, Ranni being the best of the Moon lineage and Miquella being the best of the Golden Lineage.

[@queenbee7266]

Ooh this is a good analysis

[@juicydragon8532]

It could be that instead of the formless mother visiting both Mohg and Morgott separately, that Morgott’s blood was set alight at the same time Mohg’s was. The formless mother set Mohg’s blood alights but it’d make sense that their blood is identical-they’re twins after all, and thus when Mohg’s was set alight, his twin’s was as as well.

[@VLimit11]

Loved having the opportunity to collaborate on this. With the DLC finally on the horizon, I'm excited to see all the lore/predictions everyone can come up with before it drops, and I think this video in particular turned out great!

[@commaJim]

Great work, dude!!

[@hhowdy]

Bro got the premium 23 minutes early pass

[@CGAA07017]

You and Vaati in the same video? My birthday gift came in early, I suppose 😂❤

[@COHOFSohamSengupta]

Where is your DLC trailer breakdown video bro?

[@natashalindo4139]

@@hhowdyfr😹

[@Inshabael.]

23:18 Bro was tweaking but forgot to turn off the stove.

[@justwastingtimeonyt9952]

Lmao

[@gokusmoothie8344]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Belmont1714]

Nice one😂

[@keyquixote]

top 5 elden ring joke

[@pavelduben5884]

😂😂😂

[@danielvagen3423]

I love ur videos so much! I keep coming back to rewatch em because they are so good. Keep em coming , i have still so many questions!

[@jesusdelvallecabanero7765]

dude i just discovered this channel and i love it! I was always fascinated with this game´s lore, so I watched a lot of lore videos like this from other channels (english and spanish), but none of them with this quality and this visual and narrative dedication. Now I finally found the Elden Ring Lore channel i was looking for. Keep it up man, and greetings from Spain! (I do apologize for my bad english xd)

[@2ndslowpoke753]

Since Miquella divested himself of his grace and we hear in the dlc trailer “Those stripped of the grace of gold will all meet death in the embrace of Messmer’s flame” I’m wondering if there could be a plot line where Messmer is hunting Miquella through the land of shadow?

[@JEASOUA]

Messmee had early access to Miquellas Dream

[@kennyjac]

More likely Miquella is hunting Messmer 🫢

[@Arkios64]

I maintain that, in the Trailer, Messmer is specifically questioning Marika's decision to allow Miquella to retain their Empyrean status even after abandoning their body in Mohgwyn Palace, and with it everything that linked them to Marika.

[@odyssey2548]

​@@Arkios64 Or he could be talking about us, the tarnished. We end up getting chosen to be Elden Lord, and we're pretty much the lowest of the low

[@NobleGamer0117]

​@@Arkios64That's a pretty good point, although it still could be Messmer referring to the Tarnished. Even though grace was extended to the Tarnished, Morgott still addresses us as 'Graceless Tarnished'.

[@oup6009]

I always thought the Formless Mother's body could be a "Body" of Water. Like a current or river of Bloodflame that never sticks to one path and is thus Formless.

[@funguy398]

I imagine it like an ocean planet of boiling blood.

[@valkeitos]

As Bruce Lee said: "Be formless, shapeless, like water."

[@Ecliptor.]

@@valkeitos be bloodflame, my friend

[@TGWhitta]

That's basically the implication the game gives you yes.

[@LinkRnr1]

Only channel I have the bell turned on for so I don't miss anything :3 Vaati you are the best brother^^

[@user-hb7py7xy7b]

Wonderful video! My theory is different, but that's my favorite part of Souls lore: there is enough information for deep theorycrafting, but usually not enough for decisive conclusion.

[@AwesomeWookiee]

I think the Formless mother, made of blood, likes being brought into the Lands Between where she can exist and feel (because she seems to come from a dimension of just her and just blood). If it feels good to her, maybe as an outer God that doesn't understand, she craves the bloodshed of mortals because she doesn't understand how fundamentally different we are. She thinks we're blood in a body-shaped prison and all she wants to do is help.

[@chilly456]

Love this idea! Very... eldritch.

[@helidenial628]

Very Interesting. "body-shaped prison" sounds very poetic.

[@swarthygiant1463]

I think that also ties into the whole “mother of truth” bit, wounds show the truth of what we really are. Underneath the royal robes or armor or rags, under godly flesh or accursed omen hide, we are all just blood waiting to leave its container. Even gods are mortal and all beings and systems eventually have the truth of their mortality revealed, in death humbled and connected to everything before and after

[@graemefisher7067]

Me like this theory, weirdly wholesome for fromsoft😂

[@doodlebop921]

Interesting.. it does make sense that an eldritch being that really can’t interact much with the physical realm could become infatuated with the feelings of pain. They are the strongest feelings that exist in a physical sense. Nice thought 👍🏻

[@SmoughTown]

Vaati this is SOOOO good man Might be my fave video of yours to date! Congrats to you and the team for reaching new heights! Awesome seeing Mispap and V-limit working together

[@AngriestPeanut]

Omg Smough! Can you do a video on the lore of gold tinged dung?

[@draw2death421]

You and Vaati have been a great Help for me in understanding who mohg and formless mother are. Thank you.

[@patrickg3872]

Smough and Vaati, my two favorite fromsoft lore channels

[@beniciobonilla2271]

You both are genuinely the GOAT's when it comes to exploring the lore of these video games, keep up the amazing work ❤️

[@davewindburn]

I also think that the reason why they call her The Formless Mother is because she can be a motherly figure to everyone who worship her, thus, not having any concrete look. She is the same to all of her "children".

[@Zokalex]

Nice point

[@user-oz4ib8dg5e]

Amazing video Vaati! Something that came to mind during it near the end, about St. Trina's cut descriptions being prolific in battle and all the comparisons to Griffith, I'm starting to think that Miquella might be the true final boss of the dlc. I get the feeling the little bit we saw at the end of Miquella is the intro cutscene to the fight itself, and I'm terrified to see what it will be like if he is the real boss, with everything he may have done to get to this point.

[@honsai7409]

Some aspects of him being inspired by Griffith doesn't mean he is going to be the same character. That's such a reductive and non-creative way of thinking

[@jays.6843]

Another bit of relevant lore: the snowman oracles are stated to appear to herald a coming age. They only appear in two places:.Leyndel, the capital of Marika, and the Haligtree, capital of Miquella. You know where they don't appear? Mohgwyn Palace. Whatever the snowman oracles know, they seem to realize that Mohg is a complete lunatic and that he'll never be a lord consort, considering they don't even recognize his palace as a place of interest. But the Haligtree still has oracles dooting up a storm. Maybe they realize that Miquella is still active in some way and somehow understand his plan in a way that we don't?

[@davidefinzi8145]

Wouldn't it make more sense if they were heralding the goddess of rot?

[@ArigatoPlays]

@@davidefinzi8145I'd say that's definitely the more likely option. The oracle envoys are only found at the top of the Haligtree, where we enter it too, and not in Elphael, which would suggest they only arrived recently. We don't know much about them, but it would be a reasonable assumption that if they were heralding Miquella's ascension they would have arrived around the time he entered his cocoon state (either shortly before or after Malenia left for her crusade) and they would have followed him to Mohgwyn Palace or at least into the Snowfields. If they were there for Malenia, it makes absolute sense they only arrived very recently, since by the time we as the Tarnished find the Haligtree she has just recovered enough power to fight again after her duel against Radhan (otherwise she likely wouldn't be in that comatose state when we first enter her arena), so there wasn't much time for the envoys to climb down the Haligtree once they senses she was ready to ascend.

[@plipplop728]

@@ArigatoPlays Or maybe they're having a hard time descending to Elphael because of their chonky nature and the way they -walks- rolls. Haha I'm so funny I know.

[@kaingates]

Arent the snowmen oracles linked to the Golden Order?

[@Ylliaster-TheRisenPhoenix]

Worth mentioning too, is that as Vaati says, those who are blind can see things that others cannot. It doesn't look like the envoys even have eyes, so you might be onto something here. They've congregated around the gods to be. Mohg was always destined for failure perhaps.

[@notfunny3397]

Mohg refusing to cut off or grind down his horns even as it grew and stabbed him in his eye, is pretty darn metal. Also plays into how mohg embraces his omen affliction, and morgott despises it.

[@draw2death421]

I allways imagined that Morgotts cut horns on one side of his face was to show he tried to remove his own horns but stoped after he coudnt endure the pain of it anymore.

[@osanakoma366]

u said it, metal AF friend

[@keladrygoodell]

I see it as him being shackled flat, pinned to the ground like using the item in his boss fight, while a stray horn slooooowly inches towards... And eventually into... His eye while he can only watch it approach and scream in gutteral fear. I don't know if it's true or not, but the idea of the twins being shackled from the onset of the Golden Order (ie when Godfrey was divested of grace) up until the shattering itself when they were either fetched from the sewers, or had their shackles weaken to the point where escape was possible on their own really resonates with me.

[@sketcher445]

@@keladrygoodellThat's really fucken dark

[@andrewblower3043]

These videos legit make me Emotional . I’ve always loved games but fromsoft take you to a whole different realm and these videos help most people pick up on things we overlooked or missed ❤So many layers to Elden rings lore it’s incredible .

[@TR-qf2gt]

Hi, Vaati! loved the video. i hope the 3-hr ACVI story video is still going to be released

[@dragothica4925]

40:00 Curiously there also isn't any Site of Grace at the Second Church of Marika, when most/all other Churches of Marika have a Site of Grace nearby/within. It has definitely been usurped by Mogh's influence.

[@kingdomcome3914]

Also curiously, there's a Stake of Marika by the Rosé Church.

[@AmigoRoberto]

I challenge the assumption that Marika is like Gwyn. I dont believe her actions indicate she is trying to maintain her order. I think most of her actions post Rennala/Carian Manor are self sabotaging. Shes 100% done with her own order by that point

[@samuelriccio5337]

I think the confusion about her seemingly incoherent actions has to be led to the presence of Radagon. Radagon seems to be the one trying to restore the shattered ring, the one trying to mantain the order, while Marika is the one who shattered it and tasked the tarnished and Hewg to kill a god. Marika wasn't of course always so "rebellious" to the Greater Will, especially in her earlier years, but it's hard to pinpoint if this change was tied to Radagon's presence and how exactly their duality works, considering that they weren't always "one and the same" according to Melina's recollection of Marika's words.

[@jungtothehuimang]

I always got the vibe that she wanted a new order that she was more in control of, which is why she brings back the tarnished in hopes they will be beholden to her and help her get more power. I didn't bc I wanted to marry my four armed puppet mommy, but I think Marika hoped you would not be swayed by the other emperyans or outer gods.

[@macnamaryb7773]

I think Radagon was initially just Marika. No separate body, no separate mind, just part of Marika. Then, in the war with the Giants, the Giants cursed Marika, and Radagon was basically sheared off of her as a mortal man. Now, Radagon's whole deal is to become perfect, and then regress. So he picks up an army from Leyndell and goes off to win some personal glory and power, when he enters Liurnia and gets his ass handed to him by the Carian Knights... twice. Eventually, he realizes that war will not net him power, and so seduces Rennala and marries her, gaining access to the knowledge and magic of Raya Lucaria. Meanwhile, Marika and Godfrey are scheming to betray the Golden Order, and so Marika sends Godfrey and the Tarnished off to become stronger so they can vanquish the Elden Beast, and it is then, with a power vacuum present at the capital, that Radagon swoops in and becomes Second Elden Lord, likely against Marikas desires. Because what he wants is to become Marika again, to be immortal and eternal again, and more importantly, he wants the Golden Order to last forever, clearly against Marikas own intentions.

[@broopont2239]

I think both can be true. She has turned against the Greater Will which is why Radagon becomes the counterpart to keep her in check and her breaking the Elden Ring is the straw that breaks the camel's back, causing her punishment. At the same time though, it seems like she still wants to maintain her status. She was the one who decided to seal the Rune of Death and make herself Queen Marika the "Eternal".

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

Marika is a contradiction, she is the Magnum Opus, a Rebis. She simultaneously trying to destroy and maintain her Order. She is both rebelling against and being loyal to the Greater Will. She is a pacifist that loves combat and bloodshed.

[@zachkrider4418]

Hey man I just wanna say I absolutely love your content the way you present all the videos and all the little details and such is amazing. Shows how much research is behind them and my hat is off to you sir thank you so much for making this content. Keep it up for us all

[@federicorios1140]

There's not many channels I'll watch a 1 hour video of, but I always start yours, and they always keep me watching until the end

[@capntophat4380]

57:39 is one of the greatest moments in a video ever and caught me off guard completely

[@hamiltonrankin8462]

“Why would he do this tho?” “SEX!!!👹”😭😭😭

[@draw2death421]

Lol i knew it was coming since mohg has unused dialogue for 4, 5 and 6 in latin so once he started the video and i heard Unnus i imediatly knew what was coming lol.

[@CrowSkeleton]

I had to pause the video due to laughing so hard.

[@jareddnewton]

I can't help but notice the other bloodborne easter egg: that sleep and dreams are synonymous with st. Trina/Michiela. The moon presence (another outer god) ruled the hunters dream, and lumenflowers in the hunters dream also had a soft purple glow.

[@gwynbleidd1342]

Yeah, I think Bloodborne mightve been Miyazaki's favorite game to make, or at least the themes they put in it obviously inspired much in this one.

[@mayhemivory5730]

Considering that dreams/nightmares always belong to dead people in both games, there is definitely a theme going on.

[@bexiexz]

100 a theme@@mayhemivory5730

[@michaelcestero3168]

First time seeing this series and channel and I’ve got to say this is awesome. I absolutely love Elden Ring and wished I knew more about its lore but didn’t want to spend hours deep diving. Also, prepare to cry!!!! Brilliant. Only second to shadows cry twice though! lol Well done good sir… well done

[@milusmuch8580]

first things, thanks to your great job, the lore of elden ring is always deep but so fascinating and this a cool lore video to prepare to the dlc that coming in few month but i would like to ask something. I know you'd said the elden ring movie prepare to cry was finished with the ending of our sweet Ranni but if there is a new ending with the incoming dlc, will you considerate doing a new and last prepare to cry ? Or it's really the end of that magnificient serie. Thanks again, i'm looking forward you when i want to get more lore that i wanted but needed. Keep up the great work !

[@rynanjc]

A nice detail to notice is when Mohg dies he says "the coming of OUR dinasty", not HIS dinasty. 1:08:30 Edit: Just to clarify, i don't believe he's talking about the player or even his followers (but this is a maybe). I think he is referring to Miquella, the dynasty of he as consort of Miquella, the God.

[@draw2death421]

Yeah it could hint that he did truely love his suporters or mayby he just ment Himself, Formless Mother and Miquellas Dynasty but yeah. He isint selfish thats for sure.

[@mennydorgesEldenRingArchive]

It’s pluralis majestatis

[@carancole5974]

It was even more nice when i beat him and i replied " What dynasty?"

[@Noizzed]

Unless he has children we don't know about it's kinda hard to create a dynasty when you are dead...

[@natedlc854]

I believe hes talking about the Dynasty he will create with Miquella. Like the Golden Lineage of Marika and Godfrey

[@joereed8872]

44:30 I'm pretty sure that in nephili's quest the noble who has you fight the godrick captain tells you that the captain has gone mad for blood. Or is enticed by blood. Something like that

[@curiousguyontheinternet9023]

I believe he wording is that he’s obsessed with blood. Which tracks given how fervent the sanguine cult is

[@ShupperDupper]

it's aso where you find the recipe for the blood grease and bloodbone projectiles.

[@kingdomcome3914]

There's a noble spirit nearby that says that one of Godrick's Knight Captains was "Bedeviled by blood".

[@amannamedsquid313]

@@ShupperDupper And you can find bloodroses within the courtyard too.

[@pepperonciniboys6022]

Hey Vaati, just noticed that the Cleanrot Halo Scythe looks very very similar to the (potentially) Great Rune type glowing image we see in the DLC trailer. The one that is shown right next to person with the Carian looking armor with his back turned towards us in a dark night sky, in the trailer that has a type of almost Cypher Pata style golden glow to it. I wonder if the Halo Scythe and this runic design are related in any way. Just an observation I noticed. I wonder if it relates to Miquella at all and/or symbolism between the Cleanrot / Malenia / over to Miquellas dream world

[@mayhemivory5730]

15:04 I‘m still only this far into the video, so I don‘t yet know if you‘ll bring it up, but: I think it‘s important to mention WHY they are called Omen and are considered as something bad. From the perspective of the Golden Order, they are a sign and evidence that something is wrong with their divine tree. If I remember correctly, they were even becoming more common as time went on - so they would be literally an omen of the Erdtree regressing (Law of Regression) back into the Crucible!

[@TheInvisibles]

There are some more Berserk parallels now that you mention it. Mohg’s winged form resembles Father Mozgus’s angelic form. Mozgus’s actions at the Tower Of Conviction caused dead spirits to arise in a “bloodflow”. Also, while Griffith’s first transformation involved the sacrifice of those who loved him, his second transformation (his rebirth to the physical plane) involved manipulating the religious fervour of Mozgus. Could Miquella’s first transformation have required the sacrifice of Malenia and his second require manipulating Mohg?

[@KommissarAlexander]

Goddamn it Miyazaki is just riping off Berserker wholesale isn't he?

[@KommissarAlexander]

Actually, nevermind, Mozgus' angelic form doesn't look like Mohg at all.

[@xviii5780]

​@@KommissarAlexandergood artists take inspiration, great artists steal 🗿

[@led-0185]

Mohg's design is more likely a reference to Bloodraven from Martin's ASOIAF. He uses blood magic from the formless mother, and has raven feathered wins, hence, Bloodraven.

[@SIGNOR-G]

​@@xviii5780 Not that Miura can do anthing to stop him anyway now... Damn at least i hope the dlc will be good.

[@hallideadlyest5822]

at the end of Hyetta's questline, after we take the flame of frenzy, she mentions 'the great one'

[@n8doggy733]

the One Great, to be exact

[@kamuymamushi5877]

Oedon the Formless Wait a minute.. The Formless Mother..

[@TheMarauderOfficial]

@@kamuymamushi5877 obvs outer gods dont have set gender, but oedon is definitely implied to be male-coded as oedon is the one who impregnates arianna

[@kapitanbeuteltier5889]

​@@TheMarauderOfficialI really really doubt that "impregnation" by an outer god works in accordance with normal human biology.

[@hannahshark8080]

A bottomless sea, a bottomless curse...

[@DrunkenMonkeyFighter]

Great video! The "Chapter VI Demonetization" bit was a great chuckle amidst a thoroughly informative video. Thank you for your quality work

[@giuseppegiambanco1109]

Vaati please update your playlists!!! I've been rewatching all your lore and secrets videos and there are some missing from the playlists.

[@timothymenard1750]

I have a theory about why Miquella might have gone to the land of Shadow: So, IF the Land of Shadow is an afterlife where those who die without grace go to, Is it possible that when Godwyns soul was killed that's where he ended up? It might be that because he was killed by a piece of the rune of death that he died without the possibility for Erdtree reincarnation which might've sent him to the Land of Shadow. If this is the case it could be that Miquella has gone there to retrieve Godwyns soul, It seems based on Castle Sol's whole thing that Miquella wanted to bring Godwyn back, (This is just speculation) It might be that the Eclipse Ritual Castle Sol was trying to do would weaken the Veil/Barrier between the Lands Between and the Land of Shadow similar to how the Eclipse ritual in Berserk weakened the barrier between realities, So that they could retrieve Godwyns soul. (note: I don't read Berserk, I just know some stuff by other people talking about it so if the eclipse stuff is incorrect sorry about that.) If this is true it may be that due to the failure of the Castle Sol Eclipse that Miquella decided to die outside of grace to go there himself and bring back Godwyns soul. Another more messed up theory I have is that Miquella may be trying to resurrect Godwyn for a more self serving purpose than just the goodness of his heart, It's possible that Miquella wants to bring Godwyn back so that Godwyn can be his Elden Lord when he ascends to godhood, This could be why Miquella is somewhat obsessed with Godwyn, and asides from him I can't think of anyone else who Miquella would choose to be his lord. It also makes sense that Miquella would want Godwyn as both himself and Godwyn were beloved by the people, meaning Godwyn would make a great choice in terms of image.

[@caseycox1002]

You're a genius. This is literally what I expect Miyazaki to do since it's both an amazing twist and exactly parallels Griffith. If it's not this, I'll be pretty confused at what they do actually go for.

[@TheSergio1021]

God I hope you're right. I really want Godwyn to be in the DLC.

[@infinitegameworks]

Its so tough to tell though because godwyn was killed specifically for his soul so that rani could kill her body but preserve her soul. Thats why Godwyns body still "lives" albeit quite dead like, spreading death root and corruption. So I would think his soul was destroyed but then at the same time it really does seem that miquella is searching for Godwyns soul and it would make so much sense if he went to the land of shadows to find it there. I really want to see more of Godwyn he just seems so interesting but I guess only time will tell with the release of the DLC.

[@CodeeXD]

Kinda unrelated but the eclipse doesn't really do anything in berserk, its just when Griffith activates his behelit and is a part of a fake ass prophecy. The behelit itself is what transports you to a deep deeeeep level of the Astral plane npt the actual eclipse itself.

[@ReneAensland]

You're on the money. Miquella's goal after Godwyn died was to traverse dreams, find Godwyn's soul and bring him back. My assumption was to give him a proper death and end Deathroot plaguing the Lands Between. Your theory is awesome, imagine if we see Godwyn?!

[@KazeBlack]

I wonder, the Land of Shadow could be very similar to a painted world as in the position it takes within the Elden Ring universe . Miquella's Cocoon is a direct reference to a painting made by Salvador Dali, "Geopoliticus Child Watching the Birth of the New Man". We are sucked into the Land of Shadow by touching Miquella's arm, so basically are sucked into a painting again just not in the literal sense this time around. The original painting by Dali also has this umbrella shape above the egg which reminds me a lot of the veil that the Shadow tree has.

[@Mr0611Thomas]

Underrated comment!

[@gamersreactions9267]

True. A keen observation, fellow art enjoyer!

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

It is most likely also a callback to Dark Souls 3 DLC where the Painted World foretold the arrival of a new paradigm where Fire would replace Dark and Rot would replace Fire, and that it would be constructed with the essence of the Dark Soul.

[@theobell2002]

Painted worlds are lame. It's the Dark Souls version of multiverses.

[@dripofu]

@@theobell2002Painted world are cool. they are not just plot devices

[@durmgrid8037]

While I've been watching new videos as they've come out, I've also been binging older videos on the channel, and I just got to the release announcements for Elden Ring, or "Great Rune", and it's brought some thoughts/questions: So at about 10:10 we start talking about how the different gods had their own flames, and it had me wondering where Messmer's Flame fits into that. I think, of the types that we see in the base game, that the Giant's Flame seems the closest to what Messmer uses, which I think would be interesting. Also looking back at the announcement video it was theorized that the "Elden" meant "Fire" and how it might relate to the logo of the game depicting four fiery rings together, which would then fit with the outer gods we've seen except for one; the Golden Flame of Placidusax and EB. But, looking at the logo again, you see parts of a ring above and below, which could be the outer edges of one big ring the others reside in, or that are sealed away by it...i dunno, again, just some random thoughts I wanted to get out there...

[@MrFab-cd8ps]

What is the armour set combination your character wears partly, but primarily in Chapter 5, which can be seen inter alia at 52:43?

[@justarandomguy983]

I believe that the festering bloody fingers are the fingers that Yura cut off. The reason I believe this is that during Yura's questline, before he gives you the Nagakiba, he says that he cut off "the finger."

[@ValbrandrLeonhardt]

Yura cut off the bloody finger that is used to invade other realms. When we do Varre's quest line, he corrupts one of our fingers to give us this power.

[@_You_Are_Not_Him_]

No

[@Ydla]

A little something I've been thinking a lot about after learning more about Miquella: During the start of the game, at the Chapel of Anticipation, what was waiting for us was not the grafted scion, but the nascent butterflies on the cliff. Miquella's manipulation was apparent right at the very beginning. Everything is according to his plan, including the dead maiden at the church of anticipation who can lead us to Mohg, and that Varre, not Melina, is waiting for us as soon as we get our consciousness back.

[@thehakiguy7006]

Great catch! They are also just out of reach, leading to us falling to our death. Then Torrent (whose former master was likely Miquella) nudges us and “had our measure from the start” as Melina says. Can’t wait for this DLC to re-contextualize the entire game.

[@ericvaillancourt5378]

Going through all your videos for a while now, why don't you have an audible xD I would subscribe just for that, ahah. Amazing job on the videos, keep up the good work!

[@zackaerith1872]

Very very good video. Love your Elden ring lore content as the lore in the game itself are usually all over the place and hard to concentrate on when you are trying to survive in this game 😂

[@darklight645_]

57:30 Why did Mohg think abducting Miquella was a good idea Mohg about to hit us with the reality check:

[@thetyler101]

Alas, Mohg still gets NIHIL bussy

[@pedro_mab]

7:30 Mohg's horn growing into his eye is probably also based on real-world horned animals whose horns can actually grow into their eye sockets, potentially killing them in the process.

[@malikdestil]

Something i was discussing recently with a friend, not sure if you noticed. Messmer the Impaler, has been to the lands between way before or possibly just before the current plot. In the Mountain tops of the giants, you see many impaled giant corpses. All the impales stem from the ground in the same shape as Messmer weapon. They are also, all Impaled the exact same way. This is also in the area where the final fire giant remains over the flame 🔥

[@Fluemord]

You are truly the sole reason i love these types of "from software" games. I remember playing through Dark Souls 3, many years ago, thinking it was an awesome experience, but i did not get the "story", other than the superficial lanes. But after finding you, i was amazed at how ignorant i was to many of the superb details, that i had to play it again. It was like reading a good book and it enabled me to play all the other "from software" games. Elden ring is a masterpiece, and you have given access to the beauty of it through your words and thoughts to the rest of us with limited time and/or cognition xD Thank you! You deserve an award mr.

[@Zzzooooppp]

Something I think is interesting about the horns, feathers, and scales that the misbegotten and Omen are born with 'accidentally', the Servant of Rot bugs also have appendages that don't belond: human arms. they too suffer from too much crucible energy

[@checkmate9099]

I'm just imagining the DLC now(some theories of mine): We go to face off against Messmer thinking he is the main boss. Only for Miquella to be freed from his slumber, he removes the veil from the shadow tree. (The veil is gone from the tree when Miquella appears in the trailer) This may cause the shadow land to reconnect to the lands between once again. (There is a huge chunk of land missing in the middle of the Lands Between) Miquella then betrays everyone and begins his 'Nightmare'. We have always known Miquella to seem gentle yet Malenia, who is not only a very strong Demigod but also an Empyrean herself says: “My brother will keep his promise. He possesses the wisdom, the allure, of a god - he is the most fearsome Empyrean of all.”

[@CEOofHeaven-le2if]

That would be so awesome. I'm really sure he's gonna get the Griffith moment.

[@SolaScientia]

Yeah, I think Miquella is going to be the final boss. Messmer being all over the collector's editions reminds me how Malenia is all over the original collector's editions and yet she's an optional boss in an optional area of the game. When the trailers were first dropping I, probably like many others, expected her to be a major mandatory boss and yet she wasn't at all. I'm getting the same vibes from Messmer. Miquella has always seemed a bit sketchy to me and I'm more of the mind that he orchestrated everything with his own abduction and so forth. That's even before the parallels with Griffith come to light.

[@shemightbeabeast]

I've tried to watch this video 3 different times now.. your voice wisps me away to sleep every time. lol

[@GGDad]

28:50 gotta love those tiny little moments of humour that Vaati puts into his videos. Miséricorde is a french word for mercy, while the 🤌 gesture is italian. Intentionally wrong or not, it makes his videos all the more enjoyable. Keep on it, Vaati!

[@alligatorwani8233]

57:28 "What happened? But why, why did Mohg think abducting Miquella was a good idea?" *Mohg: SEX.*

[@beanbeater]

i don't blame em

[@Mohg_Lord_of_Blood_666]

​@@beanbeaterwhy?? Also, yes😊

[@Liam-pi9vi]

@@beanbeaterBoth Miquella’s base form and his alter ego, St. Trina are described to be young and essentially appear as adolescents dawg.. 🤨

[@coleviloria3800]

It feels very akin to Seethe the Scaleless and Gwynevere from Dark Souls.

[@PoyoDesuka]

The editing of these videos are so beautiful. It's simply a well-shot showcase of Elden Ring's glorious art direction, and what a showcase it is!

[@mayhemivory5730]

16:35 Those same people, I think, also ignore that the Frenzied Flame can show up randomly in locations where a lot of suffering occurred and is therefor not exclusive to the Vagabonds. I think anyone that, as you put it "is unfairly treated" or as I would put it "finds truth/reason in their own suffering" can find the Bloodflame for themselves. I think only one of the Fell Twins has Bloodflame in that miniboss? Yet all Omen have cursed flames, including even Dungeater. That appears something that all cursed beings have (btw I think it‘s moreso that their circumstances made them "cursed", rather than some divine entity like Marika).

[@gamersreactions9267]

I loved the scene where Mohg took out his Trident and NIHIL'd all over the place.

[@mightyarbokking7197]

So he blue balled then?

[@legion4022]

Mohg allways NIHIL's all over the place

[@nesnahprotsdam]

Imagine having to clean up all that NIHIL. I bet they are forcing some underpaid misbegotten to do it. UNIONS NOW!

[@AngriestPeanut]

When will this unfunny joke end

[@holloway4058]

It’s Mohgin’ time

[@ebithrilebithril]

I thing the Omens may be a bit more literal, they are omens of Marikas weakening power and resurgence, at least partial of the former order time of the crucible. They are living reminders that she is not all powerful god but merely a currently ruling one

[@Snakeyyc]

Next-level direction and editing on this one, well done.

[@777lathe]

15:40 the first thing I think of when I hear truth in this context is Crowley and Thelema, like Truth in the occult sense. I definitely think there’s some intentional parallels being drawn there, especially with Mohg’s character, right down to the horns, him using Latin and communicating with outer beings. From Soft and Miyazaki seems to love borrowing and drawing from many esoteric and occult traditions , both western and eastern.

[@TheMarauderOfficial]

16:57 its also possible Morgott’s blood was ‘accursed’ when Mohg contacted the Formless Mother, as twins in Elden Ring are more like a single person split in two rather than two different identical people

[@gkampy101]

I'm thinking she could have afflicted him accursed blood at birth and he just met her later. Malenia was born with the scarlet rot and the rot god didn't need to physically meet her to do so.

[@NottherealLucifer]

Only the Ds are a single person split in two. The Omen twins aren't and Melania and Miquella aren't. You're taking a single pair of twins and applying what you know about them to all other twins.

[@umngyr]

I would think this more likely as well. That Mogh's encounter with the formless mother also affected Morgott, or that perhaps he asked a boon for his brother. We don't get much on their relationship, but given that they were both imprisoned in the sewers together, they might have been close at one time.

[@TheMarauderOfficial]

@@NottherealLucifer no I’m not? The D’s are the literal example to set the standard. Marika and Radagon, Morgott and Mohg, Melania and Miquella, they’re all somewhat based on Jaime and Cersei from A Song of Ice and Fire, conflicting yet complementary, two puzzle pieces made to fit. This applies easily to I’m pretty sure all the twins in Elden Ring. It’s a high magic setting, where a core theme of the story is separation and regression, hermaphroditism, alchemy, there are no ‘normal twins’ in Elden Ring

[@user-zy5ny4jg7t]

@@NottherealLucifer Well Mogh and Morgott do share a Divine Tower too.

[@dannywatson4253]

My thought about why the Formless Mother doesn't do much is that she simply doesn't have an empyrean to act through. The Greater Will and Rot can both take a much more direct control in the world by controlling their empyreans, but the Formless Mother only has Mohg, who is never stated to be empyrean. Hence, Mohg has a lot more of his own will in what he's doing, and can only get visions or messages from his outer god.

[@drakorise]

How does the Fell God of the giants do it then?

[@dannywatson4253]

@@drakorise The last giant could easily be empyrean too, to be fair.

[@lesouth0348]

@@drakorisebecause the fell god is literally part of the giants.

[@mamaslittleman6104]

Seriously though Your voice is so insanely beautiful and relaxing. How much would it take to have you just explain everything to me for the rest of my life lol. At the very Least please don't just stop with FormSoft topics there are so many amazing Stories I'd love to hear you explain the Lore of. SO much Respect sir, in fact are you sure you aren't the Metatron

[@mayhemivory5730]

12:10 What truth indeed. I think it‘s something similar to Boethia‘s Proving from Skyrim - the truth is that you proof your existence and your value through the harm you inflict onto others. ("Of all my believers, but two remain. Tell me, second-to-last, with what shall you prove your existence?" Without hesitation I drew forth my blade and buried it in the chest of the other who stood beside me, and without fear replied: "Ask him whose blood now sprouts from my blade if I exist." She smiled. And the gates of Oblivion opened between her teeth. Then she said: "Tell me, now-last of my followers, wherefore do you remain where the others do not?" I retrieved my blade, and offered it up saying: "I am alive because that one is dead. I exist because I have the will to do so. And I shall remain as long as there are signs of my handwork, such as the blood dripping from this blade." Accepting my gift, she nodded and said: "Indeed.") To me this reads as similar in thought as the text from Mohg‘s Greatrune and the White Mask. (But Mohg's rune is soaked in accursed blood, from his devout love for the wretched mire that he was born into far below the earth.) (The Lord of Blood's curse enlivens the wearer when bloodletting occurs. Slightly raises attack power when there is blood loss nearby.") Clearly there is some amount of enjoyment in suffering; both causing it to others, as well as having it inflicted upon yourself. Even the description of Rivers of Blood reads more like he is happy about being hurt, rather than upset. So I don‘t think it‘s related to being "unfairly cursed"; rather I think it‘s quite the opposite! All are equally in pain on Mohg‘s area - the dogs, the albinaurics, the birds. Edit: See also on the point at 34:56. The surgeons weren‘t able to accept Mohg‘s blood/truth - but if you do, you learn it is that: "Its sickly pale skin feels nothing now, but the nail still aches with sweetest pain."

[@luxinvictus9018]

I think it's really interesting that the very first character you speak too in the game is connected to one of the more niche bosses who is barely connected to anyone else or their story lines and can be easily missed by most casual players. And yet now he and the whole blood dynasty questline will become *essential* to get to the DLC. Most games would usually make a DLC connected to the most popular characters, not the one group that most players don't even know about I truly love how FromSoft makes games and tells stories. It's so unique and refreshing.

[@DjDolHaus86]

Varre isn't essential, I don't have a PS plus subscription so as his quest centred around online invasions I killed him at the church in Liurnia fairly early on (turns out you don't need to be online to do the 3 quest invasions but I didn't know this at the time). You just have to wait until you've got access to the consecrated snowfield to access the portal to Moghwyn palace

[@gavantothemaxextreme]

You mention st.Trina disappearing and the sharing souls of of some characters . It really feels like when Miquella entombs themselves into the tree, that they sleep and st . Trina takes over until mohg steals them. Cutting off both from the lands between . Just a game theory. Love these movies!!!

[@NobleGamer0117]

So then that would imply that, rather than being an alias, St Trina is a different soul/personality who shares the same body with Miquella.

[@user-ux1tq7ob9r]

Excellent video and audio editing and a captivating story, top class

[@TheRyaffar921]

The idea that Miquella conspiring and maybe starting most conflict to work in the shadows is really cool. Like what if all the conflict was made by him feeding others what they want to hear to justify war so he can not only work in the shadows but also sit and bask in bloody conflict. Convinces Mogh to conspire with him and help him start a new kingdom under his worship. With his manipulative ways, convinced his siblings to act as they did, distracted the ones that could stop him in his journey. Man I can’t wait for this DLC.

[@dusklessdawn1337]

LET'S GOOO VAATI VIDEOOO

[@toni5290]

LONGER THAN 1H HOLY FUCK YES

[@slimdaddyladron4582]

Something I don't see people mention enough is the senguine nobles. Most elden ring faction enemies take after the Lord they serve, cleanrot knights with Melania and miquella, Radahns knights in Caelid, etc. However these nobles who are Mohg's elite envoys do use blood flame but fight nothing like Mohg. If you look closely at their moveset they fight almost exactly like Margit (as in his fell omen disguise where he tries to only use his staff till the second phase) they glide around, have similar piercing strikes, dive attack that's only unique to Margit, quick dagger throws, all of which is almost exactly like how Margit fights. That simply can't be a coincidence.

[@MatthewM-hd6uj]

Probably Moho missing his brother in a way

[@victorabaderamos6019]

@@MatthewM-hd6uj Or maybe they used to be on Leyndell's army until they either fell to bloodlust (like Okina) or felt the winds change and switched allegiances to the side they thought would be the victor

[@MatthewM-hd6uj]

Great idea

[@ThatShadowPrism]

I like it 👍

[@marcomendicino3997]

it simply CAN be a coincidence though, or just a matter of re-purposed ideas and assets, which happens a lot during FROM's development. Mogh was supposed to be a demon in initial plans; Goldmask was Hoarah Loux("Hoarah Roux, the Goldmask"); There were scrapped ideas of sea monsters evidenced by early versions of the game map, which were someway repurposed to be Godwyn's visage, most likely the meta reason for that unique corpse under Stormveil. Furthemore Malenia's Cleanrot Knights fight nothing like her either, meanwhile Messmer's pose in the sold statue is the same as Cleanrot Knight's pose, which I doubt he has any concrete connection with. So I don't think there is any necessary meaning with Sanguine Nobles re-using some of Morgot's animations. It's likely just a matter of development stuff

[@Gamingauth0rity]

Using the sigil in front of Varré after he warns not to was hilarious. Mohg abducting Miquella? Priceless. Excited for DLC lore discussions!

[@shane3744]

Another hit, your videos are so good. Also, lol at chapter 6 intro.

[@FalloutW90]

Every outer god has a type of flame, and stars / space are a recurring theme in the game. Could the outer gods be different types of far-off stars? All trying to exert their influence? Rani and Rennala follow the full moon, so maybe moons are the counter to them?

[@joseaugustodasilvagoncal-su5fu]

maybe every other outer god has a flame as a deliberate threat to the whatever is the current tree

[@erpillar958]

16:50 there is one other omen that fight with a bloodflame buffed weapon!! On the way of the divine tower where you claim the great runes of morgott and mogh!!

[@Cathart1c]

Yes, exactly!

[@Gabe_1oo]

your voice is so calming and makes it so much easier to watch your videos, keep it it man❤

[@robertobelleri3523]

I'm super happy that you talked about Enotria. Being an italian fromsoft fan I'm super hyped with what they are doing for that project. I really hope it will not pass under the radar due to the dlc

[@user-vp6po3el5c]

There IS actually a third omen that uses bloodflame. There is an "Acurssed twins" boss fight before you take the lift of rold. He wields an axe with bloodflame.

[@eriksmulders3753]

You're right. They are an Omen twin boss fight on the way towards the Divine Tower of East Altus, where you can restore Morgott's Great Rune. And I just realised something else - I believe one of these Omen twins has all of his horns cut off, while the other has all of his horns intact. Furthermore, the area grows weirdly dark when you enter it and the darkness dissipates after you kill both Omen twins, which is unique to this fight. I'm starting to think that this whole fight is just another illusion: these Omen twins are actually phantom versions of a younger Mohg and Morgott. Probably from a time when they were young Omens, still living together, in the Subterranean Shunning Grounds. It was created by Morgott to protect the Divine Tower in Leyndell after he took over. That explains why the entire area disappears and you fight in this strange darkness. It should be noted that another enemy on this bridge disappears entirely once that fight starts, hinting that this is not some normal darkness, but you're in a completely different, illusory world, just like when you fight the phantom version of Rennala on the moonlit lake - a magical illusion that Ranni created. They're even called the "Fell Twins", just like the illusion of Morgott's older self is called "Margit the Fell". When they were younger, the twins may have already discovered some simple ways to utilize their accursed blood (Bloodflame Blade, which only requires a minimum amount of Faith and Arcane) and used it on weapons, but only after Mogh found the Formless Mother later did he truly set out on the path to become the Lord of Blood. After that, he and Morgott definitively went their separate ways. Morgott 'recanted' his accursed blood and only used the basics when absolutely necessary, while Mohg embraced it.

[@user-th7cw4dl3o]

10:10 - the term you're looking for is "conceptual continuity" - that's when an artist or a thinker develops and iterates on the same idea in works that aren't otherwise linked, in terms of their canon. Conceptual continuity is the name of the game with FromSoft, except when it's Elden Ring. I get a feeling that Miyazaki doesn't like sequels too much, because they don't allow him to freely iterate on his ideas, and instead force him to abide by the idea's initial meaning in the first game of the franchise.

[@Locust13]

Miyazaki has made way too many sequels for me to entertain the idea that he doesn't like sequels, I think he really likes sequels, they allow him to keep the ball rolling with ideas he had but couldn't fit them all into one iteration.

[@Spookdookin]

What do you mean “except elden ring?” I see the continuing of concepts from blood borne and sekiro even as well as dark souls.

[@404_BrainDidNotLoad]

@@SpookdookinBut the creation of Elden Ring wasn’t limited in the way a hypothetical sequel to Bloodborne would’ve been. A direct, same world sequel is bound to the world, to the lore. A completely new IP isn’t limited in that way.

[@user-th7cw4dl3o]

@@SpookdookinThe name of the game is Elden Ring :^)

[@user-th7cw4dl3o]

@@Locust13 He's talked about how Dark Souls 2 and 3 were basically Bamco's ideas. By all accounts he seems more comfortable creating original IP. Think of how Sekiro was initially a Tenchu reboot, only to be spun off into an original IP because FromSoft started veering too far away from the original IP's ideas. Elden Ring could've easily been Dark Souls 4, and people would've loved it, but that would have hamstrung FromSoft's ability to innovate and iterate upon their ideas in ways that would break Dark Souls' continuity.

[@SawyerWest-ur5cv]

I love it when developers put so much time into a games gameplay and story that after two years of the games release we are still deciphering its meaning

[@Ryphel]

As french speaking I must say you really nailed the prononciation of the "Miséricorde" Nice job Vaati!

[@oplu45]

It might be worth looking into Barber Surgeons re. white mask war surgeons. One of the most common forms of "surgery" performed in medieval Europe (especially Italy and France in terms of inspiration for the depiction in Elden ring) was bloodletting, as European medicine still held to Humors as the primary source of ailment in the body. Additionally, a battlefield surgeon's job during the time period would have largely consisted of mercy killing. I think there's probably a lot of Humorism in Elden Ring as a whole actually. I hadn't really thought of it before now.

[@JackOfFaces]

"Moghwyn" dynasty is also an amalgamation of Mogh and Godwyn - I think the DLC will revolve around some sort of conspiracy that both Miquella and Godwyn are/were a part of to bring about a new age or order.

[@swarthygiant1463]

I was also wondering if it was just a reference to his jealousy towards the literal “golden boy”. Maybe Mogwyn is his way of equating himself to his golden brother, much like using essentially Roman ruins is his way of legitimizing his new empire

[@maxyboy9648]

I never put “Mohg” and “Godwyn” together like that, makes sense though and is in line with a lot of From’s naming schemes for characters and concepts

[@beherit_benis6806]

I was always of the mind that "Mohgwyn" was the intended name for he and "Morgottwyn" (or something like that) for Morgott. Sort of like how you have names for your children in mind before their birth. Only the twins were born as Omen and thus unfit for a proper name (like "Godwyn") under the Golden Order.

[@ImpetusOmnipotens]

To me, it sounds like a Welsh word. I have no idea what it could mean, though.

[@RealLifeIronMan]

​​@@ImpetusOmnipotens Gwyn is the welsh word for white or blessed. So Mohgwyn translates to "Mohg the blessed" in Welsh. I am a native Welsh speaker and there are many Welsh names in Elden Ring. For example: Sellen is a corruption of the welsh word for star, "seren".

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

A lot has been said about Miquella being like Griffith. But I'd like to give another perspective: The idea of Miquella having a thrall over people and calling to Mohg reminds me of Bloodraven from A Song of Ice and Fire who calls Bran to him. Miquella and Bloodraven also have other similarities. They have special blood, are like a god, have a perverse relationship with a half-sibling (normally in GRRM's work its full siblings so this stands out to me) embedded themselves in trees which act as a alternative to the normal afterlife (bonus: a prominent theory in the ASOIAF fanbase is that weirwoods need blood to grow, the Haligtree is grown with Miquella's blood,) they have a connection to dreams, and they have multiple identities. I should mention that Mohg also has similarities to Bloodraven. They were both forsaken, discarded, and are considered others in their respective worlds also design wise, Mohg has a horn growing through one of his eyes while Bloodraven has a root that looks like a horn growing through one of his eyes. And if you believe the theory that Bloodraven orchestrated Jon Snow's birth, that's sort of like him creating a new dynasty--though I admit that one's a stretch. I'd also like to add that the reason there are so many multiple identities in Elden Ring (Margit-Morgott, Gurranq-Maliketh, Godfrey-Hoarah Loux, Ranni-Renna, Marika-Ragadon, Miquella-St. Trina) is not only because of duality themes but also because of GRRM--In ASOIAF, everyone has a secret identity, and everyone is secretly someone else.

[@AlexDeSart1130]

Hi Vaati, been watching your stuff since Bloodborne, big fan, great work! Keep it up!! Idk where to post this next thought/theory, but have we considered the following?…: Was Sekiro the first Shadow/Wolf? Meaning Kuro could be a Numan/Empyrean from the “Land of Reeds”? “Shadow’s die twice,” all wolf-people bound to a Numen/Empyrean are called “shadows” in Elden Ring? “Wolf” travels to divine places in accordance with his “empyrean’s” wishes doing quests to destroy undying cycles like Rani did in her quests… I have never seen this theory in your videos and thought its exploration might be cool. Anyway, just food for thought I suppose 😅😅😅

[@VictorIV0310]

Balam Industries sponsored field trip to that 3 hour Armored Core lore video.

[@kyokoshin755]

I really can’t wait for this ^

[@maartenquick6188]

Armored Lore*

[@jeff911p]

lock on load maggots! you're going on field trip.

[@gabiroto2549]

Ur videos still god quallity man, congrats, always very enjoyable to watch!

[@binkawy]

Insanly amazing video !! There is so much more in this world that we didnt know about. Sensational video !!!

[@ImATurtle314]

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[@phoenix15_]

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[@jxalmada66]

Yes dear....

[@protagonistical]

I have a few theories. One: the Formless Mother’s domain is vengeance. Two, the DLC WILL take place in Miquella’s dream. One, I think her goal is to empower the accursed so that they can enact their revenge. She has no goal beyond this, and does not care how that revenge is achieved, only that it is reached. Or, perhaps, she chooses to “bless” those who are most likely to enact revenge in bloody ways that will return power to her through the spilling of blood. Two, there is no reason why it can’t and a few reasons why it could, to my mind. Miquella divesting himself of his body could be seen as him perhaps disassociating or retreating back to his dreams or unconscious mind. The two trees could be the Haligtree and the Erdtree, though I am not sure which would be which, symbolizing Miquella’s dissatisfaction with the Golden Order. Miquella, having certainly been traumatized by Mohg, could be having nightmares relating to the Omens, as seen by the many enemies in the trailer with Crucible aspects. But I’m hardly a lore master. It would be interesting, though, to find out who Messmer represents to Miquella’s dreaming mind.

[@igoat6149]

Altered Alberich's Robe/Hat with Briar arms/legs? Wew, that is some elden bling that I am going to steal.

[@James-nj5ks]

over an hour of Vaati giving Elden Ring lore? Yes Please

[@risenbow6592]

My only problem withe the formless mother also approaching marget is that he is devoted to the golden order. What I think happened is that when mough got his blood set a fire it also Ignated margets because they are twins