The Lore of Elden Ring is in Ruins

[@sethstewart9704]

Vaati, you missed the biggest connection with verdigris. I type this as a jeweler, for whom verdigris is an everyday reality. Verdigris in real life is also a protective layer that prevents moisture and oxygen from eating further into the copper. Rust works similarly with iron. Which brings me to my point. There's an everyday word used to describe verdigris, as none of us use the term in our industry. A verdigrous piece of copper you see, is simply referred to as "Tarnished."

[@Acusumano25]

underrated comment - should get the pin or vaati heart

[@Mrs.Garrison69]

Holy shit your dumb, all that typing to just barley correctly describe oxidation? All that wasted time was to say “it rusted”😂 dummy

[@wrainb0]

oooh so interesting!! bump!!

[@Michael-wl2kq]

Love this!

[@ThisChangeIsAwful]

amazing comment

[@NamelessSingerEldenRing]

Wow. Vaati, I am honored and flattered to have been featured so heavily in this video. I am very happy that you found the Night & Flame video so inspiring. Your production value and storytelling have been my number one inspirations when it comes to video making. I am grateful for the shoutout, and it's also cool to be featured alongside Tarnished Archaeologist, as he is an incredible theorist and has does phenomenal work in bringing the ancient history to light and illuminating the IRL historical references that are all over this game. I think your peer review idea is a great one, and I think it would be cool for you to do those types of things in the future. You have the greatest trust & respect of the community, not to mention the reach, and your channel could become a place where you can highlight the best theories of the community, weaving together the most "accurate" story, as you suggested. I have my next video almost done, it will be released shortly. I hope you enjoy. If you ever want to chat, you know where to find me. Thank you, again.

[@muramasa870]

This comment should be pinned

[@ContrastCopy]

Excellent job on that nitty gritty lore hunting. I wish I had your keen eyes.

[@Velshin1986]

Excellent job and thanks a lot nameless singer!

[@Proxy1199]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@RealmOfTheLord]

goated

[@BioshadowX]

Verdigris, a.k.a. tarnishing. The repeated build up when exposed to harsh conditions that ultimately strengthens. You are the tarnished, you are verdigris, through your endless loops of life and death you become stronger

[@ContrastCopy]

God, it’s soooo obvious. **smacks forehead**

[@Kurodo222]

I still don't know why people think the tarnished reviving is canon. It's not. It makes no sense in the context of the game and there's literally no other tarnished that can revive. The tarnished all revive only a single time.

[@HeevaEgo]

@@Kurodo222 it’s literally stated ingame, and by Miyazaki directly from interviews, that our tarnished has revival capabilities due to being able to see the Grace bestowed upon us (by marika). We’re technically not “tarnished” by the time we start the game, that’s just a derogatory term people use for us for what we USED to be after Godfrey was hounded. The game also makes clear that there are tarnished who lost the sight of Grace after initially seeing it for the first time, like Boggart for example.

[@BioshadowX]

@@Kurodo222 even if the character you play as arent, you the player are

[@HammerspaceCreature]

It's funny that we might actually now have a lore reason for the main character of a From Software game being short. The first lords were titans, then giants and dragons, then your typical Fromsoft boss characters who are like 10 feet tall, and now us. As the turns of the spiral get smaller towards the top, we have become the literal short king.

[@ashleycarter1673]

But if this is true ... The Age of the Tarnished is fading and the Age of the Vulgar Militia is nigh !!!

[@HammerspaceCreature]

@ashleycarter1673 Elden Ring 2 you play as Boc. Edit: oh my God as soon as I said that I thought of Onze it's already happening.

[@joaoluizkfsantos8392]

​@@HammerspaceCreature "only ruin awaited at the end of the procession of stars" Could this "procession" be referring to each subsequent reign/era? And would there be complete ruin after their one? A crackpot theory, but it's a fun though. Thanks for the inspiration

[@ChuckGinther]

So the next cycle might be ruled by that one dude from Dark Souls? The fertile pig or something like that.

[@jpteknoman]

I think someone in FROM is compensating for something.

[@opossumoutlaw7534]

Golden centepides are commonly found in churches, and holy places. Thus, romina being part centipede i think is related to her being an important figure of a holy church

[@kimashitawa8113]

strange he missed that

[@TheBfutgreg]

Similar themes to Bloodborne, it's a part of what's making them suffer....then they worship it and make iconography depicting its image

[@nebulous9280]

Another interesting note: Romina, in a Hornsent Church, found an artifact relating to Rot. Golden Centipedes are common in holy places, and so when she gained aspects of Rot in the form of a Scorpion Tail, she also gained the form of a Centipede. But she didn't just gain the forms normally, like in a straight line or anything. The two arthropod halves of her body twist around each other into her torso. In a Spiral. A SPIRAL.

[@thepainphantom]

@@kimashitawa8113 Not strange, it's humane that we can feel overwhelmed, forgetting things, missing some details, unlike the "Gideon know it all." You're just being salty.

[@kimashitawa8113]

@@thepainphantom what

[@Friedbaboons]

Something of note: the Ancient Meteoric Ore Greatsword, unlike everything related to meteors, even the pitiful harpoons crated from scraps of meteorites wielded by claymen that use and require intelligence to wield, the ancient meteor greatsword uses arcane, this, and the white light, as opposed to the purple light of gravity magic that enwreathes weapons created from meteorites, sets it apart from all other meteoric weaponry.

[@lightofthecolossus]

Yeah, I assume it uses arcane, because it is related to unknown 'Old Gods'. They might also come from space like a lot of other Outer Gods, taking on a bit of an Eldrich theme.

[@Knoloaify]

@@lightofthecolossus I don't think there's really anything showing the Outer Gods come from space. If anything, the only divinity that comes from space is the Greater Will.

[@lightofthecolossus]

@@Knoloaify The Blood Star, Full and/or Dark Moon, The Primeval Current and the Greater Will all are confirmed to come from space. And I think the Old Gods are from space, because the only thing we know about them is a shard of an arrow that comes from a meteorite, so I don't think it's a stretch to say, especially with other Outer Gods also coming from space.

[@fuzzywyverns8561]

@@Knoloaifyspace in Elden ring seems more like the eldritch definition of the cosmos, an unknowable vast region that exists beyond or outside the mortal world, rather than the non fiction version of space that all things in our universe exist within. It functions more like another dimension or realm where the outer gods live, similar to the realms that deities occupy in some mythologies such as Olympus for the Greek pantheon or Asgard for the Norse.

[@ReallyNeedsCoffee]

​@lightofthecolossus None of those are referred to as Outer Gods though. Formless Mother, Frenzied Flame, and Scarlet Rot are all found or sealed underground and have nothing to do with the Cosmos.

[@unironicallylikesranger7122]

I think it contributes to the “mobile forge” theory that the fire giant the player fights carries a dish on his shoulders in the same way as the golem smiths, possibly trying to mimic the previous owners of the forge without really grasping what the motion meant.

[@visheshreddy4293]

Makes sense! The giant does it as "tradition" instead of actually knowing what the action meant

[@Mecceldorf]

He was spared to tend the forge, so the story says. It's a simple connection to form, his bowl is a small scale edition of the one behind him. And I never thought why the forge was reached by a giant chain as opposed to a basic bridge.

[@patrikleander8872]

Also maybe the divine towers were meant to be placements for these forges. The structures are not too similiar though.

[@jeanclaudevanslamme]

I'm a bit confused about the forge, because I've never seen a forge that is just a crucible. I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but it seems to me like it had chains so that it could be taken out of an actual forge.

[@samuraispartan7000]

I'm thrilled that Tarnished Archaeologist is getting some love here. He's one of the best content creators in this whole community.

[@AlbanianThrash]

hes simply goated

[@adelynn3501]

I'm not. He's been terrible for the community causing widespread lore illiteracy with horrendous theories. Do you know how annoying it is to have an intelligent lore discussion ruined by "Actually the erdtreeisnt real"

[@krissy989]

Dude has caused irreversable damage to the lore community. The less attention the better.

[@Wremson]

​@@adelynn3501 you're literally commenting on every comment that likes TA malding about him. Youre free to disagree with some of his theories but good god get a hobby. Its lore theories for a video game its not that important.

[@leotorres9012]

Never tapped a video so fast in my life to watch more lore

[@halfblood_drag0n]

@@Y-Man66 damn, that sucks, if you only you said when cause I ain't immortal so I'm gonna die anways

[@Averageradahnenjoyer]

Bro real😂

[@davidking5256]

I gasped in excitement

[@jmasterhs1688]

Literally same!

[@Pharm94]

Ily

[@titaniumteddybear]

In the real world, as in Elden Ring, objects distort space around them to create gravity. There isn't a "reason" for this. It's just the nature of the universe. In Elden Ring spirals channel energy. The medium doesn't matter. A Godslayer sword, a building like Enir Elim or Farum Azula, pure glintstone sorcery, or even the horns of the Hornsent: all of them channel more energy than they otherwise should, because they are spiral shaped. That's the underlying meaning of the spiral motif. And I think you're right that it is also meant to evoke the double helix structure of DNA.

[@OptimisticAudience]

-Junji Ito

[@Dr.Br0wm]

An interesting idea in the spiral representing DNA (as shown in this latest video by VaatiVidya), is that Malenia and Miquela (and maybe even Messmer) are children of inbreeding. Their parents are one and the same person genetically, or at least spiritually, yet they aren’t children of a asexual reproduction. As seen by their parents looking different and how they themselves look different. Due to this inbreeding they would probably have had perhaps more physical, and because it’s elden ring, spiritual mutations and problems. These ‘rifts’ in their spirits could have left gaps for outer gods to take advantage of, a clear example being Malenia and the god of rot. And while there may be no clear example of an outer gods for Miquela to represent (and yes his story is more than likely finished here, so there may never be), too many things out his powers of sleep in line with those of a god. While vaati’s butterfly theory of them representing the children of Radagon and Marika may still be true, I believe that instead they represent different gods. These being Aeonian butterflies representing the god of rot, Smoldering butterflies the fell god and Nascent butterflies some third sleep based god. The first (and sort of precarious) example vein Messmer, who represents the Smoldering butterfly, and the fell god. We know that Messmer has lots of implications with flames and snakes, and at the forge of the giants we see snakes with flames, as well perhaps linking the two together. Not just this, but only after removing the eye that Marika gave him to limit his flames, does he enter his second phase, I believe this also has a symbolic meaning, of him only having one eye, as seen with the single eye of the fell god in the stomach if the fire giant. A much more out there idea, is that the serpent of mount gelmir itself was perhaps an envoy of the fell god, with it being in a literal volcanoes surrounded by fire, and as previously stated, the serpents carvings on the forge of the fire giants. The second and most obvious being Malenia, who is born afflicted with the scarlet rot, almost like some disease caused by inbreeding. Due to the links of rot and disease, I don’t believe that out of all the ideas I have stated previously this should be thrown away. And due to the spiral nature of here blooming flower unraveling when she enters her second phase and becomes more afflicted by rot, it’s almost as if her DNA is unraveling and she becoming more mutated. Miquela has a different but also solid reason behind him having a mutation from inbreeding, his height. One of the most common symptoms of inbreeding is a loss in size, and while yes he isn’t exactly dwarf (as in the medical diagnosis), and instead is a child that will never grow up. This could be seen as another example of symbolism, or even more directly could instead be showing how an outer god, of unknown name, has taken advantage of his gaps in correct DNA, to place its hold on him. A reason why we may know so little about this outer god can be shown by Miquela’s use of his powers, he uses them to manipulate and trick others into doing his bidding and few people in the lands between know who saint Trina actually is. So it stands to reason that perhaps his god could act in a similar way. On the point of saint Trina, they are a manifestation of his powers and perhaps of the grip that outer god had on him, and so in shedding Trina, he also shed the hold this outer god had on him, allowing him to become a god instead. As well as how he sheds his own body, perhaps shedding that mutation. Like most stuff in elden ring a lot of this comes down to pure speculation, but at least I think it may have some basis.

[@liloma20]

There is a reason for gravity we just don't know it yet

[@SinHurr]

[@mechamahou8467]

We do know why, though. Mass bends space because space is on some level itself physical and not just "nothingness", and mass imposes on that physicality. The more matter something has, the more it distorts space around it because of this. Think of marble placed on top of a stretched cloth. The heavier the marble, the more the cloth will sink in response. Space is the cloth. The marbles are mass. ​@@liloma20

[@ledonkly]

Ruins of Rauh is genuinely one of the most beautiful areas in the entire game

[@OBMINER801]

except the flying spiderscorpions

[@anonisnoone6125]

I just wish most of the exploration took place on the outside target than in a massive dungeon. When u first enter Rauh, the first part looks so gorgeous with the water, shrubs, broken trees etc and then u just spend the rest of the majority of the 1st area underground. Plus, a lot of the enemies aren't that challenging. Those r my only complaints. Aside from that, it's one of my fav areas in the dlc.

[@sleep_enjoyer13]

​@@anonisnoone6125 I personally love ruins that weave above and beneath the surface with tunnels and cavernous rooms. So I really loved the Rauh ruins and also loved being able to get to its base where temple town ruins are, filling us with anticipation for the splendour of the real deal that we see above. Very unique area and great use of Elden rings open world to make the overworld more dynamic, complex and characterful. Which is a big strength of SotE in general. Rauh is one of those experimental areas somewhere between a legacy dungeon and open field that I think worked brilliantly and the design can be taken further still. Beautiful sunsets/rises as well, but that's Elden Ring in general. Just stunning.

[@LordBackuro]

I like that it’s the only place with a normal blue sky, it’s refreshing in comparison to all the gold or purple blue or blood red skies we see.

[@enman009]

One of my favorite areas of the DLC. The hybrid design between dungeon and open zone made it so dynamic to explore and find different rooms. The fact that you can take different routes and rooms to get to the end makes it more enjoyable on replays.

[@Gensolink]

describing outer gods as kami is quite pertinent. Since kamis themselves dont seem immune to corruption themselves if you dont pray and make offering to them. Since Rot got seemingly subjugated by force it might have came back in a more virulent form especially since the order of life got thrown out of wack with the removal of death.

[@AliDD-p2e]

They remind me of the Mesopotamian gods in many ways

[@arditlika9388]

Outer Gods are simply the prime subjects of religious worship. A difference in monotheistic and polytheistic worship changes on whether the culture worships an "Outer God" or like the Hornsent, the Crucible itself. They have no agency or desire, but its worshipers do. They are what we would just call Gods, while "Gods" in the game generally mean queens or rulers with religious importance. In the Golden Order, Marika as a religious icon has both Queen and God as titles, while the male ruler is called Lord. All Miyazaki games are heavily about religion, yet there is little to no analysis it apart from rudimentary lore mentions. Tarnished Archeologist really is the only one I've noticed to take a closer analysis of faith and religion in the game, however they don't analyse story, so it remains lacking.

[@WilliamStroker]

Never forget the first time I arrived at the Rauh Ruins. Truly a once in a lifetime game

[@SuleX00-ov5ip]

I remember the first time I got there was through the teleporter in scadu altus. I was in awe at how beautiful this area looked.

[@enman009]

​@@SuleX00-ov5ipEither I'm forgetting it or I never knew about that teleporter. 3 playthroughs and this DLC has the audacity to hide more content? That's wild.

[@SuleX00-ov5ip]

@@enman009 its in scadu altus and requires an imbued stone key. It's an area of the map you can' really get to without the teleporter.

[@fullm3tal90]

To me it was arriving to the shadow keep …. Just MASSIVE

[@theunknowman12]

Same. I spent an hour just looking around

[@cbunny6671]

Maybe I'm completely wrong here, but it seems like in the actual area of Rauh, all the flowing water is happening on 1 side of the aquaduct, and the stagnant water is on the other side. Almost like they intentionally created a bridge between life and death, separate, but willingly fed from one to the other. The rot ruins are physically lower. The stagnant water can't go back up to the waterfalls. There's no way to get back up to the upper ruins except via the area with the deathblight lion dancer. Thinking about it, maybe that's intentional too. The idea of death coming back to life leading to deathblight.

[@NamelessSingerEldenRing]

I noticed the stagnant vs. flowing dichotomy as well, and I think it's intentional. It may hint at the "imbalance" idea, and because the bridge is "broken", it could symbolize that the imbalance is what led to Rauh's downfall.

[@tuvergalarga6144]

still water:

[@TommyLapointeBlondin]

At 39:48 I think one of the better proof that this church is also of Hornsent origin is simply Romina's design and attacks. She is the saint of that church after all, and when you actually look at how Romina looks, as well as her attacks, you notice that the spiral pattern is everywhere on her. She herself is a humanoid body, but the base of her body is a spiral that then unfolds into the scorpion and centipede parts. In her purification attack, and in some other moves, she curls her scorpion and centipede half back into a spiral underneath her which, when she raises the bud, resembles the spiral pillars that has a bud at their top. Finally, her butterfly attacks, as well as the incantation we get, is also full of spirals that makes her twist upwards as she casts it, and those spirals, color excluded, is basically the same "kind" of spirals as the ones we see in the spiral incantations. Even Romina's hair is made of small spiral petals! And the way the centipede and scorpion halves of her both curve to each side, as if they came out of the spiraling pattern at the base of her body.

[@remymabboux6480]

I think the lore of Elden Ring is, in essence, about the rise and fall of civilizations and empires. We get so many examples of ancient civilizations: the old gods, Rauh, titans, giants, astrologers, the ancestral ruins, ancient dragons, Farum Azula, etc. All of them are without direct explanation or reason for why they are there, and what they were like. I think thats on purose, though. Despite all we know of ancient civilizations here in the real world, its all still an approximation using our best available evidence. Lost civilizations and ruined empires don't need a detailed explanation, they just are. We even see a civilization that had just recently (in relative terms) fallen, the Hornsent, and the civilization that the game takes place in, the Golden Order, is in the middle of falling. Empires rise, fall, and get rediscovered by another civilization down the line. Like coral, they build on the corpses of previous attempts before falling and getting built upon themselves. Its all a repeating cycle, just like Fromsoft always shows in their games.

[@Fronzel41]

The past few hundred years have been unusual in how much we've re-learned about the further past; an example Tarnished Archeaologist gave is the Greek general Xenophon passing by the ruins of what we know have re-learned was Nineveh, once the capital of the powerful Assyrian Empire, but Xenophone himself had no idea what it was and the local people told him that Persians had once lived there, which was incorrect.

[@austink.5827]

47:41 I love his comment "as an Australian" on the spider-scorpions.

[@calebcaldwell1101]

For some reason it had never ever occurred to me that Vaati was Australian until that exact moment

[@Appers]

@@calebcaldwell1101 Seriously! As an Englishman I could've pinpointed the exact part of the UK I thought he was from, totally took me by surprise I was off by a good few thousand miles.

[@rafaelz6211]

the way I thought he was english until today

[@dragonfluf]

I really love the collaborative nature of Elden Ring theories. Thank you Nameless Singer, Tarnished Archeologist, and everyone else who pieced together this story.

[@NamelessSingerEldenRing]

I am honored to be able to contribute positively to the community. I am also very glad that the archaeology & visual evidence has received wider acceptance as time has gone on. The visual evidence of the game transcends language barriers and translation errors, and I love it so much.

[@ATC43]

@@NamelessSingerEldenRing It always takes time for people to move on from relying solely on textual evidence with these games which is a bit odd as 1. Its a visual medium and 2. From are very deliberate with their art direction. Just glad people are starting to wake up to the connections that can be made by just looking around the world itself. Keep up the great work!

[@paytongagliardi8709]

I finally have a connection!! In nature, the size of a creature depends on the size of the land it inhabits. Island creatures are basically always smaller than mainland ones. The Lands Between is fairly small, and also we know that a lot of the creatures on it are from the stars/other worlds. I believe that over time, the inhabitants of the Lands Between shrunk as generations adapted to the smaller space. It explains why the titans/giants got smaller, mankind too. Maybe everything was adjusted to cosmic size (like Astel maybe?), but over time evolved into smaller and smaller iterations.

[@AlbanianThrash]

not true. we also see gigantism on islands in animals that face no natural predators and easy access to food.

[@Glhrgtzvbu]

@@AlbanianThrashthats where id assume the titans come into play. but then what wiped them out except the metorite shower theory shown in the vid

[@Rigelian]

Copper being a defense against the rot makes a lot of sense. It has extremely strong antibacterial qualities and is toxic to most living things in fairly small amounts. Verdigris is also opposite to the pinkish color of the rot on the color wheel.

[@KenobiStark1]

Vaati, brother. The world has been dark and cold and void of lore without you. You and the Tarnished Archaeologist are ultimate.

[@ericmerrill9808]

THAT LORE ISN'T COOKED! ITS RAUH!!! *kicks over golem*

[@man....IDK....1]

ok, good one 😂

[@theunknowman12]

ITS RAUH, ITS FCKING RAUH!!! *Slam Golem to the table*

[@spluv1]

41:02 i LOVE that you show the clip and reference that that woman is Romina. I love it because it shows the reanimatory powers of rot and fermentation. it seems to me that Romina burned and died in that place. but perhaps, as her body lay there and rotted, the fungus or whatever rotting mechanism changed her body into something more grotesque, even melding with surrounding corpses, into one fungal amalgamation. perhaps this is what grafting is so pitifully trying to imitate.

[@glauberomonstro]

Hey Vaati, one thing that I think is extremely interesting is that not only the Rauh civilization lived in harmony with the flowing water and the stagnant water of the rot, but the rot beings themselves seemed to live in harmony with the Spiral, wich is something that inherently incites the image of movement and that is something that is in direct contradiction with the stagnation of the rot. So to sum up these old civilizations and costumes I think that the perfect word is "Balance", and that is something that as you said in the video, fromsoftware likes to portray in the universes that they create, the idea that the oldest civilizations or forms of life used to live in "harmony" or "balance", until something happened to disrupt the status quo.

[@ersonpeters3963]

Dopamine drip engage

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

Engaging lol

[@timmynoir]

Ah yeeeeahhhhh… that’s the good stuff.

[@KissyKaede]

Can't wait to see Tarnished Archaeologist's take on Rauh Ruins.

[@adelynn3501]

It will probably suck. Like most of tarnished archaeologist outlandish and shortsighted theories that have ruined lore discussion

[@KissyKaede]

@@adelynn3501 His videos are the best vidya lore videos on the internet by a wide margin thougheverbeit.

[@adelynn3501]

@KissyKaede tarnished archaeologist theories are terrible. They make baseless claims. Try to connect real life things which are just coincidental. And he completely ignores things to make his theories work. Like "the erdtree is an illusion" can't work since branches amd asn fall of it after we burn it. We can stand on that ash and those branches.

[@bobertastic6541]

@@adelynn3501professional TA hater right here lol

[@adelynn3501]

​@KissyKaede his more videos take unrelated real life stuff. Ignore in game stuff. And make theories that can't work

[@courier6448]

Seeing that bear get absolutely FOLDED at 1:54 made me smile like a madman. You get what you fucking deserve

[@RememberedOne]

PLEASE look into the channel Tarnished Archenlogist Vatti shouts out at 20:17. One of the best KZbinrs out there in all my many years of watching, not only for Elden Ring but each of his videos has such a well crafted story that ties back themes in Elden Ring to real history. Again I know I'm simping but please watch if you have any interest in Elden Ring and/or history!

[@zerozeroFox]

Tarnished Archeologist practically reshapes how you think about Elden Ring with every video - being a fan of both creators I was so happy to hear the shout out and the reference to TA's last video about the great flood theory

[@BRUXXUS]

Big agree! Extremely compelling and fascinating videos by TA!

[@IroncladDiver]

Dude I love his stuff, one of my favorite accidental found channels

[@adelynn3501]

Please nobody look into tarnished archaeologist. His theories are actually terrible and have ruined lore discussions

[@onlyxenolord7494]

Antone else think that the way the fire giant holds his bowl thing atop his shoulders looks kind of like how the Smithing golems hold theirs?

[@AlizaAyers-g8s]

Love this video, Fantastic!

[@brianmurray8098]

New Vaati AND new Kendrick in the same day?? 🙏🏾

[@SmokinLove-t8i]

Maybe there is a God 😭😭😭😭

[@maudlinfaust]

I came here to make this comment haha. Did we just become best friends?! 😂

[@zach.hanford]

We need the Vaati/Kendrick collab.

[@ibradark578]

Yes life is good

[@HalcyonLux]

YOOO! We up fr.

[@tonylawson2222]

Vaati, please put Nameless Singer on the Payroll. Her research is top notch, and you have the presentation and the platform to spread the conclusions better than anyone else in our space.

[@NamelessSingerEldenRing]

You know its funny because when he did that contest thing looking for a writer to help with lore two years ago I did send an email haha. I will continue making videos, but I love the idea that Vaati could begin making videos referencing the many creators in the space and telling the big picture story with a high production value. That would be super cool. I dream of one day having a timeline, and making a video with modded environments which make the world look as it once did. Like he did with the Plac vs. Bayle fight. You could mod in full wars/battles even. Vaati is someone who could make that happen. Wouldn't that be sick??

[@DarkRei7]

The ruins being made out of blackstone is a parallel to the great empire of the dawn from ASOIAF, an empire that preceeded Yi-Ti and the Valyrian freehold and its contemporaries. and the thing with the great empire of the dawn is that many civilizations that came and went after them inherited and appropriated their blackstone monuments, the high tower of oldtown is made of blackstone, the ironborn throne... but also the architecture of valyria and plenty of abandoned ruins in sothoryos (the southern continent) that belonged to some a more recent civilization. seeing as grrm was in charge of this stuff it wouldn't be surprising if he took inspiration from his own work. so the old gods leaving their architecture behind to the blackstone civlization and so on is a direct parallel, especially since the first emperor of the dawn was said to be god on earth.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

A golem has holes where you insert the instructions. The only film I've come across which shows this accurately is ODDITY.

[@HuskyandStarch]

Oh damn I just watched that movie.

[@VLarraechea]

Everybody wake up! Vaati just dropped his next jewel!

[@VLarraechea]

In all honesty, I was hoping it’d happen soon.

[@covertfriend7486]

Another interesting tidbit is that Romina took on the aspect of a scorpion (a known symbol of Rot), but also took on the aspect of a Centipede; golden centipedes are referred to as divine, and centipedes are emblematic of Divine Death.

[@Martin-lm8xp]

Black stone ruins remind me that in Martin's ASoIaF series the most ancient remains of civilizations are made of black stones. Iirc they are a reference to Lovecraftian stories.

[@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962]

Lovecraft AND Robert Howard, too. The latter wrote an excellent Cthulhu Mythos story called "The Black Stone".

[@Martin-lm8xp]

@@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962 O yeah. You are right!

[@OllyDee123]

Aren't they also linked to water in both ASoIaF and Lovecraft as well?

[@dihzmahl7032]

*hits blunt* The number eight is important because it sits between seven and nine, and 79 is the atomic number for gold, which in Latin is Aurum, and is most closely associated with light and perfection.

[@mccl0ut]

vaati and kendrick drop on the same day we are EATING

[@andthingsofthisnature]

who is Kendrick?

[@jimmygoods]

My man. I didn’t even get notified about the new album and saw your comment. Bless your soul x

[@ThisChangeIsAwful]

i was listening to his album for the 3rd time when this dropped XD

[@sleepcycl]

that shit some ass. all those not like us type beats. shit is cringe and wack.

[@Managarm]

I noticed that the Blackstone pillars reach far into the earth, as seen for example in the jar jails. It's like they were built as a skeleton for the entire world to hold on to.

[@TotoIsWriting]

To add on about the octagonal and 8-sided iconography, it appears in a few different places, with some interesting implications. Notably, the cape of the Dragonkin Soldier, and the floor where Rennala lays. The Astrologer Rises also share octagonal architecture. My theory is that it does indeed represent different forms of Star-worship. One idea I had is that the Fell God used to be the Sun, and the fact it's now represented by Jupiter, a gas giant, represents the Sun, a star, losing it's ability to shine golden light, possible due to entropy. It could be the link between Nox, Rauh, and Giant civilizations, wherein they all worshipped stars in one way or another, whether the Sun or the Primeval Current. Also makes me think the Primeval Current is the galaxy, and the Primordial Crucible is the Sun, both stars.

[@ishmeilmathis2218]

14:42 A hammer shaped like an anvil being described as the shape of an altar in their culture. The perfect blend of visual and descriptive storytelling. It's what I love about this franchise

[@keithhensley6203]

What if the titans built the giant's forge to commune with the fell god, and the massive cataclysm that wiped the titans out, was the fell god showing up into the forge.

[@braxtonalan927]

"I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR CALLS, AND NOW- OH SH*T, MY BAD."

[@agimrexhepi1680]

Thats what i thought the fell god is called by the hornsent as the sun god and i think the fell god was the reason the crucible began because his eyes are in a spiral

[@jackgude3969]

Imagine this exact same video but every time he says "Rauh" Gordon Ramsey's angry face flashes for exactly 1 frame.

[@LordBackuro]

29:07 Just a litte detail to remember is that Rauh is the only area in game, that has a normal night and day sky that isn’t tainted by gold or any other presence of an outer god.

[@HollowKnight21]

Oh yes. Just realized it through this comment. I always wondered by Rauh has such a different feel. I can't quite put a finger on it. Now I realize it is because it is the only normal skybox in the game.

[@arditlika9388]

I think that is to show that there is no formal presence of organized power in the area, like Mesmer's crusade or the Hornsent. Rauh is lush and unburnt, so not only does the crusade not have influence there, they seemingly never deployed force.

[@Spirelord]

It is certainly burned. But it is slowly recovering as a ruin

[@adelynn3501]

Liurnia??

[@LordBackuro]

@ Liurnia is more purplish and not naturally blue, you can also see stars and so on during day time It’s more of a celestial sky than Rauh

[@Vladek16]

this was a very pleasant, calm and chill video. I particularly liked your choice of background music for this one I did love the video for it's content, as per usual, but after crying all the tears of my body while watching the end of Arcane, I think I needed exactly this kind of relaxing content. So thanks you :)

[@aifos5171]

But why would the titans build such microscopic structures compared to their size? It doesnt make much sense to me

[@major_alloy]

If you notice the divine lion dance it is spiral as well. Idk if someone mentioned this before but I just wanted to point it out.

[@titaniumteddybear]

"Kami" are spirits that embody natural forces or features. If "Kami" do exist in Elden Ring then that would explain how a river can also "be" a spirit. The Siofra is a physical river, but it is also embodied by a spirit that taught martial arts to Malenia's sword master. The Ancestral Spirits would be the spectral instantiation of the cycle of life and death in the areas inhabited by the Ancestral Followers, and so on. It actually explains a lot.

[@bleakbriar8514]

One thing that I realized from this that wasn't mentioned, at least not explicitly, is that the connection between the culture of Rau to both rot and flowing water actually makes perfect sense if you think about it in terms of balance. If you want to harness and live with forces that can be both useful and destructive, the key is controlled and careful usage, just like with fire in our world. If you want to harness rot for it's positive traits, you need to keep it from going out of control, hence the flowing water. Not to stifle or ward it off, but to keep it manageable and tame in a way.

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

“A derogatory attitude towards smaller folk in the Lands Between.” Art truly does imitate real life.

[@phalamy9180]

I think its worth touching on the difference of the scarlet rots effects on the lands between and the lands of shadow. The lands between are being ravaged and destroyed by it, yet in the lands of shadow, where it likely had far more time to bloom, it seems to almost exist in harmony with the land. And i think this can be led back to a parallel with Vergitis. Vergitis in real life is decay, a layer of copper that oxydizes and tarnishes. However this layer is also protecting the rest of the copper from the same fate, by blocking moisture from getting in. I think the rot may work the same. In the lands of shadow, where it is embraced and accepted, it exists in harmony. In the lands between, where it it fought and burnt, it ravages and spreads out of control. Same parallel exists between Romina and Malenia Romina who accepted the rot, grew and flourished While Milenia who fought it began rotting away and falling apart

[@TheSsjJoker]

“Babe wake up *VAATI* just dropped a new fire video” 🔥

[@RexusBlade]

I noticed the Guardian Golems have a cluster of Rauh Burrows embedded in their chests.

[@RBRB343]

Shit, good catch.

[@pablojoel3217]

Missed your lore videos. You never disappoint. I hope you are doing well. Thank you for all you do. Take care of yourself.

[@jimbo_13]

Another excellent video. Happy to see you shout out Nameless Singer. I've watched NS's videos a bunch of times. They're so fascinating.

[@Ghostpans]

i love falling asleep to your videos, your voice is so soothing

[@leoornstein8739]

Same

[@dominiquebeneker373]

In the crucible era it is an era of refining. You have multiple types of metals that do different things, combining them in different amounts to make the alloy that surpasses the last

[@kouyang3375]

You can't just throw your weapon and call yourself an Archer Class

[@braxtonalan927]

*Equips Smithscript Hammer* O B S E R V E

[@elnalaombrebois5665]

verdigris sounds an awful lot like "vert de gris" which is a name for copper oxyde in french. And copper oxydes makes a protective layer over copper/copper but it is also a toxic compound that was used to protect ships hulls. It is also one of the components of a poison named "vert de paris" which was used to kill rats in paris sewers and by some painters as a pigment.

[@Radahntheconqueror]

It is Vert de gris, taken from French to English named after Tarnish being called “Green of Greece” suggesting the tarnish on metals of ancient greek sculptures.

[@onniklapuri8754]

I spent an embarrassingly long time trying get out of the ruins

[@bobertastic6541]

Same lol, no idea where I’m going in that maze

[@covertfriend7486]

An interesting thing to note is some golems carry their forges on their heads, and the idle stance of the Fire Giant boss mimics that stance, with it's (possibly) verdigris shield acting as a 'crucible' of sorts.

[@mushroomy9899]

thank you vaati, i’m currently walking home in 36 degree windy weather, this was very entertaining

[@sirbill_greebi3811]

I do love this idea that all life in this world is physically shrinking as time goes by. It makes me wonder how big The Lands Between will seem in the far-flung future, and how tiny they must've been to the titans. Seriously, this place is like a college dorm to them.

[@chase_the_wrapper]

Vaati, it is maybe worth considering that the Ancient Meteoric Ore Greatsword was probably not originally intended to be an arcane weapon - in the ps4 version of the dlc it had int scaling for a day or two before the first patch, so we can deduce that the white lightning was likely purple, the same as the purple magic effect that happens when you hit someone with the weapon's regular moveset. I don't know if the sword being related to gravity magic would change any of the implications about the 'old gods', but it seems like the White lightning was an afterthought when fromsoft realized they'd made no arcane colossal swords and swapped the scaling on it.

[@ciro_costa]

Makes sense. Also it's curious that I haven't seen people making the connection that if gods are stars in er, black holes would be dead gods. And such, gravitational magic would be kinda like int based death magic.

[@ATC43]

@@ciro_costa Going further with your point here: Purple is associated with Sleep which we all know, is closely related to Death, in-game and IRL.

[@wrainb0]

i’ve been listening to your elden ring lore videos, on repeat, for MONTHS. i’ve never clicked a video so fast!! thank you!!! please do a messmer-centric video some day!!! ❤️❤️❤️

[@jonathanyaeger2289]

It’s fun to see how Tarnished Archeologist has impacted souls analysis.

[@adelynn3501]

It really isn't. Tarnished archetypes has ruined intelligent lore discussion with terrible theories like fake erdtree or lava flood

[@SleepyKurisu]

I never even thought to connect Rauh to all the other ruins in the game and theorize it to be the origin of the society that once existed and thrived in once complete and probably beautiful ruins Thanks for blessing my evening like you do with every other video Vaati

[@heysamuelhere2733]

Guys hear me out. If we get GOTY Miyazaki will SURELY have to make a second DLC, right? Clueless

[@TheThirdPrice]

Vaati gives more thought to the intellectual honesty of his head cannon than many do to their religion lmfao

[@RicardoAlmeidatm]

What a surprise, something that has GRRM's fingers all over it has a mysterious ancient civilization that builds with black stone.

[@mattrozzel2997]

Ancient empires with black stones are a big part of tha ASOIAF history, as well.

[@frozengoat5834]

A few additions: The verdigris talisman has what very much appears to be a bell bearing in the center. Little stones that seem to hold something like people's souls, would fit very well into everything else going on here. Edit: TA mentioned?! The lore community is evolving Furthermore, as you literally said the word "evolution" near the end of the video, I thought we might get a reference to the Fine Crucible Feather Talisman which states " "Hornsent view the Crucible as sacred for the refinement wrought through its EVOLUTIONARY gifts." Or, for the fact that Devonia, Siluria, and Ordovicia, are references to evolutionary periods, with Siluria's Tree perhaps being a reference to the first vascular plants appearing in the Silurian era, and the Ordovician period being where Euripterids (sea scorpions) dominated the seas, possibly referencing to an era of Rot lords who potentially worshiped some sort of scorpion So the idea is yes, the crucible is competition, but also evolution. In a way, they've magic-ified the concept of evolution and rebranded it as "the Primordial Crucible", possbly also a reference to Primordial Soup theory in evolution, which by the way, may have looked very similar to something like the swamp of Aeonia. What better way to "blend life together" than to break it all down with rot into one big soup? But the "crucible" aspect gives us another way of blending it toghether-burning it or melting it down. I think the "Primordial Crucible" is a brilliant, elegant marriage of these two concepts. It also brilliantly merges evolution with creationism. The golems and those forms of life were simply created by the giants, and the idea of the crucible and the forges feel like a form of "creating" life, done by the hand of a being with goal and purpose. Whereas the evolutionary aspects of the crucible feel much more at the mercy of the random forces of nature. There even could be some chaos-order duality here but at the very least, there is a brilliant merging of fantasy concepts like "once the giants fought the dragons" and scientific concepts like "we are a product of evolution" all into one creative, seamless thread that is this absolute masterpiece of worldbuilding.

[@alarickoraav3354]

Using elden ring lore to restore my attention span post tiktok addiction- We love to see it

[@TheJayfist21]

How did you and Kendrick drop on the same day… happy Friday for me!

[@Rads55]

you are really a pro in making lore... from editing, background, interesting story "not rushed" and easy to understand. makes me personally enjoy watching your lore. Thank you and good job to all the crew on duty.❤

[@DjDolHaus86]

One thing I'm not entirely clear on is why the thing in the mountains is referred to as a forge when it's clearly a crucible with molten metal at the bottom. A forge would require some kind of forced air induction to get the fire hot enough to melt metal

[@AmryL]

Yes! I am endlessly annoyed that after TA coined the term 'mobile forge', Vaati is now using that as a de-facto object description. As for your lingering question: In order to smelt it's contents, a crucible needs to be placed on or suspended over something hot... like a forge! So the Grace name 'Forge of the Giants' likely refers to the column structure beneath the bowl. Or the entire mountain is the "forge workshop", with the actual blast-furnace now lost under the snow.

[@GameExperiment]

I imagine being powered by a fell gods flame would mean it has no issue getting very hot.

[@UriahNeveah]

Maybe an odd thought, but that would make the crucible on the mountain and crucible of the horn sent, or perhaps rather life, I think, parallel images. One would relate to physical properties being purified in the crucible to make them fit for smithing (oriented on order) while the other would relate to the natural properties being purified in the crucible to make them fit for survival or life (oriented on chaos).

[@HeevaEgo]

As someone else already mentioned, I think the control of the power of the literal Sun (the fell god) is what makes it unnecessary to forge under “normal” conditions. At the end of the day, we are human with no God powers. This is a fantasy world where people sacrifice their souls to summon Gods.... and in this particular case, the power of the literal Sun

[@DjDolHaus86]

@HeevaEgo while I don't disagree, terminology has always been important and fromsoft knows what a forge is. As a design it looks very much like a crucible, even if it contained a supernatural heat source it's a terrible design for a forge because you can't (if you're a goliath) evenly heat anything bigger than a scaled up axe head and if you're giant sized you could heat some pretty big bits of metal for forging but how are you going to get those bits of metal out of the fire to work them? A big pot is only really suitable for melting metals for casting. Am I making sense?

[@Biohazard126]

45:04 Romina discovered a twisted divine element, which she weaved into the baleful Scarlet Rot (RoR). I don’t think Romina transformed the Scarlet Rot into its baleful form in response to her world being destroyed. Rather, I think Romina began combining elements of the Crucible Spiral (literally twisted and divine) with the Scarlet Rot, which is already described as baleful by the time she begins weaving. I think she did this to help the Scarlet Rot adapt and thrive. “Perhaps then, the buds might find somewhere to gain purchase once more, within the scorched remains.” (RoR). For evidence, the Rotten Butterflies incantation displays spirals, unlike any other Rot incantation. I could just be nitpicking the item description grammar, especially without the Japanese description, but that seems like a slightly better fit to me.

[@BrandonGrantSplash]

wow 6 seconds ago thats a new record for me

[@moegeemoe]

Its so weird to think that we get all of these wonderful videos but they'd not exist if we just had a few photos of some white boards in the writing room.

[@spiralistichope9216]

Great video, I expected Nameless Singer and Tarnished Archaeologist to be referenced here, and I was happy to see my assumption was proven correct, they have done a lot of great work in relation to the very ancient history of Elden Ring's lore and Rauh! Smoughtown was also naturally brought up, and it is worth noting that his video on the Hornsent and the Crucible from a while ago goes into really great detail on the nature of the Crucible as an abstract or conceptual force, esoteric in nature instead of something tangible. As you yourself mention at the end of the video, it feels like this all somehow only scratches the surface of how deep you can go when discussing Rauh and everything it connects to in relation to other ruins and the historical dimensions of Elden Ring's age of antiquity (relative to when we experience the world), which shows just how profoundly aged it all is, and how philosophically resonant at that. Quelaag is also another fantastic content creator to consider when thinking about Elden Ring in terms of epochs of history and how they intertwine, as Vaati well knows! She is definitely worth it if you want to enjoy that unique perspective, especially from a more artistic lens. One thing I thought might have been brough up when discussing the giants and the Fell God was the description linking Hornsent culture to the Fell God, namely the Furnace Visage which states "A stone mask surrounded by curled horns, depicting the fell god of fire that haunts the sagas of the hornsent." This is fascinating as it shows the Hornsent came to view the Fell God as a malevolent being steeped in their history, which allows for some fascinating implications in connection to their veneration of the Rauh Civilization and the Crucible. It may be worth bringing the Hornsent culture and their role in all this, especially considering the interpretation that they may be, or at least see themselves, as the inheritors and successors of Rauh's Crucible-centric religion/spirituality and civilization, and how that in turn connects to your view of the wider Black Stone civilization and the titans, giants, Fell God, and other Outer Gods. Was the Fell God perhaps always a conflicting force with the way the Rauh and later Hornsent saw the Crucible from a spiritual perspective as a means of equilibrium and divine aspiration, or did something happen in the past that caused a divide? Many questions abound when considering this! Even so, there's just so much to speculate on here, and I was very happy to see this being the topic you tackled this time, it's wonderfully rife with so many fruitful interpretations that unlock how we can appreciate the lore further, especially in the wake of Shadow of the Erdtree's worldbuilding and narrative. I look forward to more from Vaati and his fantastic direction and aesthetic style, as usual! I wonder what we'll get next, there is still so much for him to cover... PS: Any bets for what Vaati will cover next? We've gotten the Frenzied Flame and Midra, Dragons and Bayle and now Ancient Ruins and Rauh, which weren't the most apparent topics to focus on considering the main narrative threads of Shadow of the Erdtree, namely Miquella's story as the active plotline and Marika/Messmer's backstory in particular. I feel like he's eventually gonna have to dive deep into either of those, but there is room to touch upon other subjects toom like the Hornsent themselves, Metyr and the wider Greater Will lore, or even another video on ruins alone like this one, since it couldn't cover everything as he said. I really look forward to seeing what comes next, but I would love to see a focus on Miquella and Saint Trina along with the band of followers OR a focus on Messmer, his allies and fire knights. The big one would be Marika herself once more, now that we know the truth about Shaman Village, and her truly becoming one of the most nuanced and incredible characters From has ever created...

[@ciro_costa]

Isn't the fell God just the sun?

[@zerozeroFox]

TA fans rise up!

[@spiralistichope9216]

@@ciro_costa Don't think so? The Fell God of of the giant's flame is described as a one-eyed evil deity that Marika herself slew, likely during the war against the giants. I suppose you could consider those details as symbolic if you want to think of the Fell God as the sun (one eye, Marika "slaying" it by replacing it as a source of light witht the Erdtree), but I think it was a literal entity that she defeated, along with all the other powers and kingdoms she ended when setting up her own imperial hegemony. I think it's actually still an open question as to whether the Fell God was an outer god or some kind of native powerful being of the Lands Between, but either way, it was suppressed by Marika, though it still "lives within" the giants, as we see when we fight the Fire Giant on the mountaintops.

[@adelynn3501]

Tarnished archaeologist is the single worst lore youtuber when it comes to being accurate about lore.

[@adelynn3501]

​@@zerozeroFoxno. Sit back down. Tarnished archaeologist theories are terrible

[@TheBfutgreg]

I'll never forget finding the random golem in Caelid on the cliffs, I was looking for the War-Dead Catacombs based on the online map.....I looked in Radahn's arena but didn't see it, and so I thought you had to drop from by the minor Erdtree to get it IT's how I found the most ridiculously tedious fight ever, I was like level 70 and he would one-shot me with any attack, Dragonbarrow scaling be damned

[@Chilli_Tea]

bro says verdigris is metal that is rotted around 2:20 but like...we call that tarnished lil bro

[@C.C.S.miniatures]

The idea that the Fell God, the Rot God, and perhaps others, could coexist and be worshiped in moderation reminds me of the planet Colchis in Warhammer 40k. The people of Colchis once worshiped the Chaos Gods, who despise each other and are usually depicted as unambiguously evil. Despite this, the Colchsians weren’t the depraved servants of ruin that most associate with Chaos. It could be argued that the gods Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeench champion values such as self-sufficiency, acceptance of loss, artistic accomplishment and pursuit of knowledge respectively, alongside other less savoury qualities. It is only when they are worshiped uncritically and without diligence that they start to corrupt people’s minds take these values to their logical extremes and the logical extreme of anything is always harmful. When the Rot god came to Romina, she was at her lowest and entirely desperate, willing to follow any source of hope without question. This is may be how it took such a strong hold of her. Conversely, the swordsman of the blue dancer demonstrates that discipline can hold an outer god at bay. Perhaps this kind of discipline was practiced by the Blackstone civilisation to keep their gods from corrupting them. It is possible that rot, as an affliction, is a late-stage manifestation of unchecked veneration of an otherwise neutrally inclined god, something that they simply did not allow to arise.

[@benja.0068]

If this man was to make these videos into podcasts, it would be top on all streaming services

[@TheAmaterasu19]

it is amazing how deep and rich this game is, and the patience you guys have to try to uncover all the secrets inside the game. for real, i am sooo thankfull for you your channel and your team. without you guys i would notice all this little details that are amzingly beautiful. i am more the playthrough for the epic bossfights type of player and dont realy have the motivation to do all this research. so once agains. from the bottom of my heart, ty sir. you and your team make me love the game more and more each time you upload a new video

[@TheHipClip]

All the talk about another much older civilization just makes me appreciate Dark Souls so much more. Starts from the age of ancients and ends with the Ringed City's end of all time and the creation of a new world (painting). GRR Martin's worldbuilding imo weirdly focuses on ruined civilizations and old gods. It gets tiring.

[@portalmanHUN]

Doesn't get tiring if you're into lost civilizations.

[@craigmills4744]

Vaati, my hats off to you. You were really cooking in this video, and I'm loving it! Loved the incorporation of TA's lore as well. Thank you

[@Celastrous]

So glad to see tarnished archeologist getting more love

[@n8doggy733]

even referred to him as TA ❤

[@iN-Mtz]

These videos are always such a joy to watch. They really enhance my saturday mornings.

[@ronniewhitedx]

Between you, Tarnished Archeologist, and r/eldenringlore, I feel like ive become a sage for Fromsoft lore.

[@adelynn3501]

Tarnished archetypes and r/eldenringlore are literally the worst places to get your lore info. They have terrible theories that don't hold up to criticism and fail to look at obvious things.

[@ronniewhitedx]

@adelynn3501 I've poured over 5,000 hrs into Elden Ring at this point. I've contributed heavily to forum post on Elden Ring lore. I've scoured every channel, webpage, interview, etc. Have your opinion, but you are objectively wrong. Sorry.

[@adelynn3501]

@@ronniewhitedx is the erdtree fake or not

[@ronniewhitedx]

@@adelynn3501 it's real. Do you mean is it akin to a "spirit"? Because I've seen arguments but I don't think any of them really landed for me. Based on the interior of the erdtree I wouldnt be surprised if the erdtree wasn't built on the corpse of the prior great tree.

[@adelynn3501]

@ronniewhitedx tarnished archaeologists fanbase thinks the erdtree is fake. An illusion. Not physically there. Despite the branches and ash that falls down. Or the leaves. Or everything pointing to it being a glowing tree that's physically there

[@zacretzer]

Kendrick and Vaati dropping on the same day is my Christmas

[@Maikeru2114]

16:13 so glad I'm not the only one who noticed that at this point they're setting up another DLC or at least a sequel

[@dominicbeller8700]

If you think they’re planning an entirely new DLC, or better yet game, based on one obscure lore piece in one area of the DLC, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. This is just how FromSoft world builds, as much as I’d love another DLC. Definitely won’t be an Elden Ring sequel either. Enough’s already been revealed of their next game to tell it won’t be related to Elden Ring.

[@ciro_costa]

​@@dominicbeller8700 Maybe this is a marvelous Chester or yamamura situation. I wouldn't be surprised if Miyazaki's next game was something like shadow of the colossus/ico. That heavily features ruins and are super abstract.

[@portalmanHUN]

Elden Ring was a huge success and every insider info we get mentions all the investors going crazy for more. If Miyazaki just drops the IP he's making a huge financial mistake. On the other hand I understand not wanting to milk it.

[@rafsandomierz5313]

@@portalmanHUN He isn't he already sold more than any other game.

[@dominicbeller8700]

@@ciro_costa while that would be pretty cool, Marvelous Chester was an extremely blatant hint. He’s an NPC that’s attire and speech patterns are thousands of years off, the weapons and items he uses are entirely unique, and he talks about things that implied an entirely different reality before we knew it was Bloodborne. At the end of the day, this is just a very small, obscure piece of world building lore in a pile of hundreds of other world building pieces of lore in this DLC, that I’m sure the creative team at From Software knows the in game answer to but left out because that is what they do to create mystique and intrigue. I’ve been around the block with From Software for a while like many people, sheeittt I’m still invested in all the final Archstone theories from Demon’s Souls, but this really is just reaching for something they’re not setting up, unfortunately. In fact, believing they’ll make an Elden Ring 2 is some extreme wishful thinking in and of itself. I know Dark Souls got a trilogy, but when you look at the story behind how that came to be, it is not something Miyazaki planned for or seemed to even want and he only seemed to come back for Dark Souls 3 to stick the landing on his baby after Dark Souls 2. That’s a good thing too. Before Dark Souls, the cult following of Demon’s Souls were up in arms over no Demon’s Souls 2. People hated the idea of Bloodborne instead of a proper sequel to Dark Souls 1 (in the DS2 denier eyes.) Sekiro was originally met with a massive wave of “tf is this supposed to be?” Back when it was just 30-40,000 of us in the r/EldenRing subreddit schizophrenia posting “bosses” and lore, tons of people were only onboard because they misread a quote that it’d be an open world sequel to the Dark Souls trilogy. Elden Ring has possibly the most complete story of any From Software title, except maybe Sekiro. We don’t need Elden Ring 2 and Miyazaki has never disappointed with his IPs. Tons of fans always think he’s crazy for not just retreading older, proven IPs then every time for his next project, they think he’s crazy for not retreading the IP they had just thought was a bad idea. Let him cook whatever he’s craving, we always eat good.

[@Chrisbun1]

Man. I really hope that we get a second expansion. Lore in Elden Ring is just so awesome. And I really want to see something involving the spirit realm. or something on the Sun realm and the eclipse. just more ER content, Please miyzaki I beg

[@benchambers1439]

Don’t forget that in alchemy a lion cleanses the sun with vitriol, a type of poison, so a society worshipping the fire god and the rot god makes even more sense

[@adelynn3501]

The alchemy theories for elden ring are all reaching way too hard.

[@benchambers1439]

@ I mean i wouldn’t even call this a theory, this is something thematic that grounds the mythos in our preconceptions, but what are the alchemy theories because I haven’t really heard many of them for elden ring

[@tyrell9995]

After weeks of checking, finally a new video. I'm so happy I might cry. I haven't even started the video but I know it is going to be phenomenal. Thank you so much. You'll always have a fan and supporter in me.❤

[@SSuser-go7jm]

33:06 Those who know 💀

[@kurigohan1010]

23:46 i love how this shot looks like a hand holding the divine tower,, so cool

[@devinleff8035]

Vaati post, I click.

[@HardCodedGaming]

With Verdigris, there's something very compelling about a FromSoft game showing positive aspect to "decay". I think it clarifies a running theme of stagnation throughout the Souls games: that stagnation was not the problem but suppression - denying natural change and progress, whatever form they took - light to dark, sheen to roughness, or life to death.