Vader 4 Pro Vs. Apex 4 (and old Vader 3)-FlyDigi Controller Comparison

The new FlyDigi controller is half the price of the flagship and out performs in important categories, however the Apex 4 is a better fit for those seeking adaptive triggers on PC, RGB, and rubber grips.
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[@Odinthedark1]

Just a heads up for anyone else buying the Vader 4 pro, When you get it download the space station program and update both the dongle and controller. At first the latency will be terrible, but the controller update fixes it. Was playing Final Fantasy 16 and couldn't dodge anything because of the delay, and found another video explaining this very issue with initial firmware version out the box. Also change joystick from rectangular to circle, found 9 bit worked best for me.

[@ExImperialDragon]

8:35 the diagonal movement stuff the commenter is talking about is the software-enforced restrictions on the analog stick's output to score that perfect 0.0 or 0.1 in gamepadtester's circularity test. Disable that for raw input, and the sluggishness of diagonals goes away. The reason he's experiencing it and not you, even if you both have the same settings, is that some games already limit the analog stick to a circle, while others have no limit and use the raw output, instead. So in games that already adjust the stick's output, there will be no difference for you no matter which setting you pick. However, if you play a game with raw output (which happens a lot on PC-- 0 deadzone and raw output is pretty common in the PC master race wild west) then you're limiting your analog stick's diagonal output information to a smaller space than what the game expects, which means you can no longer move full speed in diagonals. So that user just needs to flip that option off to raw output and he'll be back to moving at full speed in diagonals in his chosen games.

[@Narzor]

And which settings are those exactly?

[@ExImperialDragon]

@@Narzor Where it says circularity algorithm circle or rectangle, choose rectangle.

[@dnjago]

@@ExImperialDragon rectangle is the default for both sticks, it makes complete sense to change right stick to circular for fps titles

[@StarWarssMania]

I’ll always love that physical feel of the trigger stop over adaptive triggers

[@n64slayer]

Idk this is the first controller I've used that has the "mouse" click triggers, and they are a little mushy and I'm not sure how to feel as where the apex has a stopper that isn't mushy. I like the tactile bump but at the same time I prefer the firmness of the apex 4 so for me it's a hard choice.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

I don't get all the craze around adaptive triggers lol, but then again I'm not a hardcore racing or FPS gamer.

[@n64slayer]

@StardustLegacyFighter I would use it only in casual shooters, but honestly it's really nice in forza

[@GARDONITE]

Can anyone tell me vader 3pro and 4pro have pressure sensitive trigger?

[@Ashes2Ashes]

For me personally the Apex 4 is the perfect controller. Immersion is king to me, and the ability to use adaptive triggers in every game in some capacity has been incredible. Use it on the Xbox as well with the Mayflash adapter. Love your videos and glad you got me turned onto FlyDigi!

[@bakkuappu]

adaptive triggers work with xbox?

[@Minarreal]

​@@bakkuappu They shouldn't

[@trash_irl]

@@Minarreal they work because they are built into the controller. they repsond to trigger presses - they are haptic triggers. in the exact same scenario they wont respond the same way as ps controllers will. ps controllers are adaptive triggers. basically ps controller big explosion = big response in trigger. fly digi on xb = trigger vibrate because you made them in settings and not related to game explosion

[@AquaticMammalOnBicycle]

Immersion is a buzzword. You didn't even give a single example of exactly where and how adaptive triggers are "incredible"

[@michaelfrietsch8246]

could you link which one you use please? thanks!

[@snoweh1]

I got the Vader 4 after using an Xbox 360 controller for 15 years, which had stick drift within a few months of purchase. This thing is nuts, never going back to potentiometer sticks which I've always hated. The 2 middle rear buttons are a bit hard to use, but I've never used rear buttons before so maybe it just takes some getting used to. Still can't help but feel they could have been positioned better and had a better shape. Love fiddling with the stick tension. Popped some thumbstick grips on them, got Skull and Co. PS5 covers and they fit over pretty well, although the medium one started grinding on the tension ring sometimes (not always). The low profile for left, high profile for right fit perfectly though, and also feel best for me. Love the mechanical buttons too. To sum it up, I want to play games just so I can use the controller. I don't think you could praise it much more than that.

[@tdub77]

can't wait for the comparison vid...

[@tpmgaming999]

Going down the controller rabbit hole ended up here 🤟

[@johnny_rook]

Here's the thing: I live in Europe, I don't have access to Flydigi controllers on Amazon and my only option is Ali. I don't know how Ali works outside the EU but, here, I have costumer support. I had a couple of pads breaking on me after several months and I still got either my money back or a partial refund if I choose to keep the broken pad for parts. I got my Apex 4 on sale for €70 but, it arrived with an LT not working 100%. The adaptive trigger wouldn't activate. I contacted the seller on Ali which gave me two options: total refund if I send the pad back with a free shipping label or I could keep it and get 50% refund. I choose to keep it. Opened it up. Fixed it (the ribbon cable was not fully seated in socket). €35 Apex 4 baby. I have the Vader 3 Pro also. So, if the only differences between the Vader 3 Pro and the 4 Pro are the 1000hz vs 500hz polling rate and the stick modules, I would still get the Apex 4 because the difference in price between the Apex 4 and the Vader 4 Pro on Ali is not that significant and the Apex has more features and doesn't need addons to be more comfortable. It looks and feels a premium controller. I do understand why Kevin likes the Vader 4 Pro more. It's half the price! For $160, the Apex 4 should definately include the case and the charger. Keep the good videos coming, Kevin. I'm hyped for the adapters video. I'm on the market for a PS5 adapter.

[@MGee1]

I really enjoyed my Apex 4 while it lasted...sadly the right stick broke (April/May batch issue I'm told). I've had my AliExpress Refunds but am now really torn as to what to get. I'm getting by with the Gamesir G7se which is great but i do miss my extra back buttons. Would you still recommend the Apex over the Vader 4? IF I order this week it should arrive by the time i'm back from vacation.

[@Threewlz]

@@MGee1 after how long did your apex 4 broke since you got it?

[@johnny_rook]

@@MGee1 I would still get the Apex 4. If you value the wireless adaptive triggers on PC (PS5 Dualsense has to be wired), it's a no-brainer, imo. If you're on the fence because the Apex 4 broke, don't be. Vaders can break too... //Edit Vader 4 Pro and Apex 4 have the same stick modules at their core; afaik the "tightening" mechanism is the only difference (one uses the key, the other uses a wheel). If you don't care for the triggers and can't get past the sitcks breaking, get the Vader 3 Pro and put the savings on the charger + replacement sticks with different heights + the carrying case. Vader 3 Pro is still an amazing pad

[@WolfOfJustice]

I think you can buy any Flydigi controller from gadgethyper.

[@kusuke-senpai5880]

​@@johnny_rook here in brazil Vader 4 pro and Apex 4 are almost the same price, would you recommend the apex over the vader?

[@CookieMonster-we1in]

Wow you actually answered my question the other day and now made an in depth comparison. You definitely know what the people want. Respect. Im glad i subscribed to you.

[@BenTefo]

Which one do you think I should buy to play story games? They are both the same price.

[@jdomingostlopes]

Great Video. Thanks for answering my question about the cutouts on this video also.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

No worries!

[@willi.8826]

Bro you are the best most thorough controller reviewer on here. Thank you so much. 🙏🤝

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

My pleasure

[@real_spinstreak]

I think it was the latency tests like a year ago or whatever that made me choose the apex 4 over the Vader 4 pro. It’s such a premium controller

[@RJW_ca-TUBE]

I was just looking at these two controllers glad your video popped up!

[@-PR0METHEUS-]

After watching so many videos about controllers makes me wanna build my own.

[@ciityriichard]

i have/had both of these. im on my 5th apex 4. broke today.... again. left joystick on all of them. in between the 5 apex's i had the vader 4 pro. returned that because of the horrible sticks on that. had to put the deadzone at nearly 15 on both left and right just to remove the little movement it kept detecting. tried recalibrating probably 50 times and even got flydigi's support. just returned it. flydigi has sent me 4 apex replacements. contacted them again a little bit ago. waiting to hear back. gonna try and get another replacement while i look for something else. when the apex 4 isnt broken, it really is the best controller ive ever used. unfotunately if you play competitive and heavy handed it will not last you more than a couple months. this one lasted 1 month. the one before lasted 2 weeks. the one before that was about 2 weeks. figured id let everyone know my experience so far with the company. A+.

[@BenTefo]

Do you think I should buy Apex 4 or Vader 4 Pro? I usually play story games. Due to the conditions of my country, it is impossible for me to send it for warranty. I can't even send it to Aliexpress again.

[@prefescent4460]

dont think ive heard a bigger lie in my life

[@BenTefo]

@@prefescent4460 Can you give details?

[@ciityriichard]

And why would I lie? I did repair some of my broken apex 4's. I swapped the right joystick into the left side. The ribbon cable's just need swapped which are held on by a clip. It's an easy swap if you have two apex 4's that are broken laying around. I happened to have 8.. As far as the Vader 4 pro goes, I really did like the tension adjuster, but the stick drift was horrible on the controller I had. Literally unusable. I sent it back. To answer the other guys question, I wouldn't get either of them. The latency is very high on the Vader 4 and the apex has all the joystick issues. I would go with the bigbig won blitz 2, gamesir cyclone 2 or gamesir tarantula. All around the same price as the Vader 4 pro. They all have tmr sticks and mechanical buttons. The blitz 2 doesn't have analog triggers, they are mechanical. Not great for racing games or rocket league. They all have much lower latency than both the Vader and apex. I'd go with them.

[@snazzyjake4852]

@@ciityriichard Hello you seem very knowledgeable on the topic so I hope your willing to answer a few questions and you also play rocket league which will be a massive help. I'm high gc3 in rocket league and have my controllers break once or twice a month ive gone through 15 by now got warranty on only like 4 of them and its almost always the left or right bumpers or stick drift comes and kills it eventually (I never drop them or bang them just wear them out). I'm just looking for somthing with a really solid build and a similar shape to the xbox controller and buttons that wont get in the way as I dont need extra. Of course quicker response time helps but man im just looking for somthing to last over 3 months that would be a blessing I dont care about price im tired of being on line with the fucking xbox support warranty team. I want to push ssl this season but im starting off the season with a broken bumper I qued some rlcs champs early season and was doing great but now im dropped low beacuse of my bumper. Sorry for the rant but please if you know a controller that will get me by let me know. If you help me with this if you need anything at all rocket league related let me know.

[@exyiaevox]

I prefer the Apex 4. Here's my 2cents I only have a PC. I play my PC at my desk or to the couch+TV depending on the game. If it's a competitive FPS, I will just use KB+M - everything else, relaxed on the couch with a controller most of the time. For context, my previous controller was a Vader 3 Pro which I loved. For me, the Apex 4 was far more fun to use because of the adaptive triggers. Yes, the game support isn't as vast, but it covers a lot of big games and I don't have that much time to play that many more than the ones it supports (we all have a steam backlog don't we?). There's also a lot of reddit users posting that even without a game profile for adaptive triggers, the software adapting the rumble up to the adaptive triggers works pretty well. But a good example of them being more fun - Resident Evil 4 Remake. Lots of shooting, but not a competitive shooter. I've played/am playing this a lot on Vader 3 Pro and Apex 4. I've tried my nephews PS5 adaptive triggers on RE4R and he hates them, turns them off, and I find the concept cool but nothing special. But the Apex 4's motors for resistance are WAY stronger, so the effects are way more pronounced than what the PS5 can do. My nephew finds it fun on the Apex 4. The triggers for each gun type are SO much fun to me. Pistols have a medium amount of take-up slack before the trigger break, then the trigger break and some deadzone after. Firing a pistol fast really feels like riding that break->reset point on a real handgun trigger, but in moments of stress you can full force slam the trigger all the way and it still works...like a real pistol. Rifles have a much shofter take-up and a much stronger trigger pull strength to break. SMGs vibrate back on the trigger lightly. If you've ever shot real guns, this is how triggers feel - real triggers are nothing like these mechanical mouse-click like actuations that a lot of these pro controllers are going. Those snappy triggers ARE faster and more competitive without a doubt, but they aren't AS FUN to me. If I want to be competitive, I'm going KB+M - and that's why FlyDigi makes the Vader series imo. I don't like this general trend of the market of premium controllers all being "comepetitive" oriented. I want a premium quality controller for a premium controller experience, just like I spend money for a premium keyboard for a premium typing experience. There are keyboards oriented towards gaming and response above all else, but there are still other premium keyboards for the other demographic - but so many premium controllers focus purely on being competitive that many just skip trigger vibration or have weak vibration as a whole because "competitive gamers usually turn it off". (Scuf Envision Pro had such pathetic rumble vibration that ruined it for me (and no trigger vibration), yet nobody else seems to mention it). Like, as thorough as Gamer Heaven's controller reviews are, I have to still research and lookup myself whether a "premium" controller even comes with vibration on the triggers, and it's annoying on some brands even figuring that out. This Apex 4 is exactly what I'm looking for and I'm glad FlyDigi feels there's a market for both - hence offering both the Vader series and the Apex series. Also, I found the controller loads the adaptive trigger profile while launching the game normally in my experience. I thought I would have to launch games from their software too, but lately I've been forgetting and yet the controller seems to load the adaptive trigger profile anyway.

[@JohnSmith-XYZ]

Apex 4 is the better controller, for sure. Much more premium, better quality overall. I love the Apex line. That said, I also own the Vader controllers as well. Personally I prefer the Apex 4's adaptive triggers set to "trigger stop" mode, I find that they are faster and lighter to press than the mechanical trigger stop switch on the Vaders.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@aweigh1010 I wouldn't say that there is that much of a significant difference in terms of build quality. The Vaders are much better built than some of the more expensive controllers from brands that charge twice as much. The Apex 4 is much heavier because it has more tech inside, and has a much bigger battery. It's like comparing the stock Xbox controller with the Elite 2, as both are well built, despite the big difference in weight.

[@BenTefo]

I only play story games and I want to buy a good joystick. Which one do you think I should buy? I'm very undecided and I only have money to buy one. They are both the same price. Are the vibrations the same in both?

[@Simon_Hawkshaw]

I find my Apex4 the best controller I have ever used thus far. Granted, I haven't used the Vader models, but I am very satisfied with my Apex 4. Thanks for sharing.

[@santannak5397]

Basically Vader 4 is better with controls but apex is more versatile n immersive

[@thadoemahar_gaming8082]

I'm thinking of buying Fly Digi... Thanks

[@nicksavage3841]

I have the Apex 4 which I love, but will most likely get a Vader 4 Pro if the Assasins Creed model comes back in stock. I have a buddy that swears by it.

[@RedWingPixy]

Heyo, just got Flydigi 4 but it's Stellaron Firefly version and function are really good

[@MGee1]

got me edging towards the vader 4 kevin, but can't wait to see what guilikit are putting out now.,.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Both controllers are top-notch. I honestly wish that ppl would stop trashing one over the other, just because they prefer one much more or can't afford to buy the other one. At the end of the day, neither option is significantly better than the other, they both have pros and cons. I could have easily got the Apex 4, but I decided against it, because I preferred the Vader 4 Pro a lot more. Having used the Vader 4 Pro for a few days now, I still stand by my decision, but I still respect that Apex 4 is a solid choice and worth recommending.

[@AquaticMammalOnBicycle]

"I could have easily got the Apex 4, but I decided against it, because I preferred the Vader 4 Pro a lot more." You didn't give a single example or specific reason of how or why you "prefer" it, so your comment is not meaningful.

[@Xringyx]

I got a vader 3 pro about 8 months ago after dealing with the fragle over priced scuf instinct for a year and a half. I couldnt believe how much i love the vader 3. Im super stoked for the vader 4 but im going to wait till my vader 3 is more worn out.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​​@@AquaticMammalOnBicycleI didn't make my comment to be "meaningful" to any single individual on this comments section; I made my comment to express my views, period. Instead of nitpicking, you could have literally asked me (like any normal person) why I decided to buy the Vader 4 Pro over the Apex 4. It's as simple as that, it's not such a big bloody deal as you desperately want to make it out to be.

[@WolfOfJustice]

​@@AquaticMammalOnBicycleI didn't know you're the authority on what makes someone's comment "meaningful", lol. Why not ask them why they preferred one controller over the other?

[@WolfOfJustice]

​​​​@@StardustLegacyFighterHe's critiquing your comment like he's a high school teacher grading English papers, lol. No examples given, instant *F* 😂

[@lowisca]

One note about the launching games through the app for the adpative triggers to work, I actually just turned the thing on, launched the game through steam, and the adaptive triggers worked just fine. The app downloads a mod for it to work, and some uses the same configs as the PS games when you choose the DS mode, but not all have that, so the standard is mod created by modders or flydigi it self.

[@euuIgor]

Thank you for the comparision! I've got a new Apex 4 for a cheaper price than the Vader 4 pro, but now I'm not sure I made great deal lol.

[@yarbles66]

I have both. Apex 4 is better all round, easily.

[@lowisca]

If you got it for a lower value, then yeah, you did a good deal. As a controller it's not that much diff from vader, and I'd say it's better BUT I def know both have their cons and pros so it's up do you really. I have a Apex and I can't deny I'd love to get the Vader as well, and I might do that, but for now I'll just enjoy the apex, cause It's insane.

[@yarbles66]

@@lowisca even not for a lesser price, it's still a bloody good deal IMO. I have pretty much every controller of merit that you can think of & I've been almost exclusively using it.

[@n64slayer]

We need flydigi to bring back the top buttons like on the apex 2

[@Chrish1981]

Love the price and features of the cheaper much better but damn the white one looks so good lol great vid like always bro thanks!!

[@yarbles66]

Grabbed both. Overall prefer the Apex 4, but the Vader 4 has its place - Souls games. Those mouseclick triggers are so good for parrying, and if you have really big hands like me, those two extra lower buttons are great for dodge/roll/jump depending on the game.

[@Day100]

I weirdly get double presses on my B button ONLY on Elden ring when I'm running. Not sure if it's something I can fix in software, but I sometimes get frustrated enough to switch to a different controller.

[@akmalslash]

which has the silent pad?

[@Kezren1]

Great review. Love the content

[@BlackF0x_]

Bought mine Apex 4 with dock for about 105$ and for this price I consider it to be on par with Vader 4 in features/price ratio. But if in future Apex 4 will stop working for some reason, Vader will be a bit more preferable to buy for me (unless situation will repeat itself when flydigi will invent new killer feature for future apex model months before new vader with similar specs will release, then I will be tempted to buy new apex again I guess)

[@Zaytehs]

Apex 4 has the best stick modules I’ve ever felt and performed on! But not tested the Vader 4 pro

[@NiSE_Rafter]

I wish the apex 4 had those physical trigger locks. I like adaptive triggers for racing games but if I'm using simulated locks for something like monster hunter I sometimes push past them.

[@WolfOfJustice]

Considering that the Apex 4 is a "flagship" controller, it makes no sense that it's missing something a "budget" controller has.

[@StarWarssMania]

@@WolfOfJusticeand that made it less desirable then the older v3p

[@JerwinAngelo]

​@@WolfOfJustice vader 4 was released after the apex 4 to be fair. wait for apex 5 i guess

[@Daniel-uh1ve]

Just got today Gulikit KK3 Max and jesus i am loving it,prefer it so much more over dualsense aim controller,elite 2 ,and victrix pro bfg, and due the fact having small hands and shape of xbox controller is perfect for me.The only thing this controller is missing is the Luxury feeling from elite series 2 ;D

[@Zaytehs]

The joysticks will break on that

[@Bonezilla]

Thumbstick curves are useful for a lot of games with bad deadzones (ie 360 games on Xbox one and older CODs)

[@RoninvdW]

I think I've heard it before on this channel, there seems to be an electric disturbance in your sound. Sometimes when you talk you hear this extra frequency in the mid-lows of your voice that sounds electric so it's not just the sound curve of your mic setup, but I think it is caused by your setup. Thought I would let you know, love your vids 🙏🏼

[@TheTrueFriend.]

You can update the software of your V3P after changing the language of your Flydigi space to Chinese , it will be getting 700 polling rate

[@david_lauw]

I just bought the Black Myth Wukong Apex 4. Fantastic controller, but I wish it had haptic feedback and the stick tension dials of the Vader 4. Thankfully you don’t have to remove a faceplate to adjust, but there’s nowhere to put the little tool.

[@oogbigworm]

I need to upgrade my Vader 3 pro to the Vader 4.

[@notorioussnipers8156]

Really wish the Vader 4 was available on Amazon now lol

[@4gottenWarriors]

Lol I just got my Mayflash magic x to finally pair with the Apex 4 to my Xbox...works great...

[@MilesCHC]

I have the kk 2, kk 3 max, Vader 3 and the Apex 4 Apex 4 is my main, I love the dpad is the best I ever use. The best controller in the world... But I'm aiming for the Vader 4 in the future to become my new main The kk... I don't like the dpad, hurts after a while and there are no mechanical buttons. I buy all of them because of you 😂

[@--iskrit--]

I don't know... for me, the minimalist RGB backlight on the Vader 4 looks normal and neat. Definitely better than the turtle beach body overloaded with all sorts of childish vectors and lines...

[@dylanlourens]

When I'm moving my character down with the left analog stick and then try to press L3 it is really difficult. I have to press down really hard. But when I hold the analog up it is easy to press L3. Vader 4.

[@Mordaur]

Had a vader 3 pro, with the dpad rattle. Loved it, but the loose dpad was an actual problem. Also have a apex 4, thats boxed and unused, as currently i'm dailying my vader 4 pro. And i freaking love it. Best controller i've ever owned.

[@whyyn0tt.]

if FlyDigi is doing a faceplate design on the apex 4, it'd be nice if they'd offer optional faceplate designs/color options too...

[@Sunnyside845]

I hear the joysticks break on the Apex 4? I want to get it but if the joysticks are shit I’ll have to pass!

[@giolopez9213]

are these recommendations valid for Fighting games?

[@thetrasher3837]

if they were both priced the same at $80, which would u actually buy?

[@τετέλεστα]

Well I have the apex and got it off Ali for that price but had i not and the new Vader came out then i would've probability would've bought that instead but i have no complaints with the apex

[@EChere]

Leaning a little to Vader 4 pro as it is nice to change the tightness of the sticks on the fly, extra 2 face buttons and a mechanical hair trigger is pretty satisfying. I think apex does have longer battery, the screen and the adaptive trigger would be cool but I don’t think it is not a big deal for me.

[@chronicmayhem]

gotta slap the rubber grips on the vader 4 then it will be 👌

[@mitchellgarcia4061]

I just wish the apex 4 had mouse click triggers but aside from that I’m taking the apex all day.

[@WolfOfJustice]

Can't have adaptive triggers and also mouse click triggers. 😕

[@ipadd5050]

apex 4 have broken stick problem, idk about the vader 4 pro. If u want this brand ,better go for their non tension adjustable controller. once its broken, no customer service will help.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

They fixed that a while back iirc, it was a faulty batch from April to May iirc.

[@lordakiasantiago7562]

​​@@StardustLegacyFighterStop that "bad batch sh"t"... EVERY STUPID apex4 controll has sticks and QC problems!!! They are Made with CHEAP PLASTICS AND PIECES!!!! 👎

[@raishinhimura211]

End credit spoilers sounds like my thoughts was being done for me😅

[@xen._]

Got a question: is it safe to leave my Vader 3 Pro on the charging dock all the time? Great vid, love your stuff.

[@comkioxd]

of course, it hibernates when you don't use it

[@sonisaac5515]

Great video again man 💪🏼 Could you get your hands on the new Wolverine V3 Pro? I have the Apex 4 and looking into buying another controller, either the Vader 4 or Wolverine V3 Pro

[@SMCORTES]

would you go for the apex 4 if it were 25 dollars more expensive than the vader 4 pro?

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Not much of a price difference tbh, I'd go for whatever I like more.

[@WolfOfJustice]

I personally wouldn't, but that's because I like design of the Vaders a lot more.

[@wesms9575]

Hey hey, thanks for the wonderful review and amazing video as always. I'm currently torn between the Apex 4 and Vader 4 pro. I have always wanted PlayStation adaptive triggers on PC. That would be a huge selling point for me, but so would the extra face buttons on Vader 4 pro. You didn't mention what the vibration was between the two of them. I also just wanted to clarify what the difference was between the sticks on the Apex 4 and the new Vader pro? They are different. Yeah? Vader 4 pros slightly newer? As a disabled gamer. I think the extra face buttons would be really helpful, but I really like the adaptive triggers. Thanks for helping me out if you read this

[@allmarvl.1959]

Hey, so far I can only report on the Apex 4. I think the adaptive triggers are great but they aren't like the ones on the PlayStation because the games aren't made for them. Unfortunately one of the adaptive trigger motors has broken :/ I think less can go wrong on the Vader 4

[@Smood47]

7:00 perfect =/= best

[@haxx1707]

The adaptive triggers ain't that bad though I have it set to vibration mode with my own settings for the unsupported games like metro exodus and it works great it's not the same as the dual sense but it's good enough for me at least. I hope they don't ditch it for the apex series and instead continue to improve upon it since the vader series seem to be more for the people who like the classic triggers with trigger stops.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

That’s actually really cool. I’ll set mine up like that. Thanks for the info !

[@Lloyd.B.]

Don't the thumb-sticks on the Apex have bearings, and the Vader 3 pro ones not?.. If so I would assume the plastic on plastic will wear down eventually, while the bearings might last longer.

[@marsenn2300]

Hello, I'm from Germany. So far I've had the Vader 3 Pro, the Apex 4 and the Vader 4 Pro. I'm thrilled, but the only controller without stick drift was the Apex 4. All dead zones set to 0, no stick drift. I would be interested to see if the new Apex 4 Elite is in Wukong design with 2000 polling rate also has this absolute zero point so that I can set all the dead zones to 0 without having stick drift. Are you still testing this controller? Greetings from Germany

[@mrhenry4907]

Loving my kk3 max

[@SoupPot]

I ordered the Vader 4 pro last night based on yesterday's video, so am I def not going to watch this shit lmao. But I will give you a sub and an upvote.👍

[@Atilolzz]

I have to say the Apex 4 is in a weird spot now, it's very good but quite hard to recommend for twice the price as the Vader 4 Pro. This makes me genuinely wonder how the Apex 5 will be like? Ditching the screen and still asking $150+ would be hard to swallow, and improving upon the Vader 4 Pro will be quite the tough challenge. If it had "the greatest and most durable dpad of all time", I would consider it 👀

[@Zaytehs]

@@ridiak3637different countries mate

[@ridiak3637]

@@Zaytehs AliExpress delivers to 200 countries mate.

[@double00gigolo]

I just overnight my Apex 4 and threw those broken elite 1 & 2 controllers in the trash. My only complaint with Apex 4 is that silicone grip. Like on my elite controllers they will bubble up and become uncomfortable using it.

[@jasonboisclair5682]

I was so this controller does not work on Xbox or PlayStation on my Xbox owner and I love your channel by way Great work I love them keep them coming can you please answer this question what controller on the market is similar to this one with politics sticks and the tension and some of the software and the mouse click triggers that they have on the market what's the best one and which one has the mouse click version instead of that elite series where it gives you somewhat of a mouse shorter pool I don't give you no mouse click and thank you keep going

[@IcyqtLoL]

Kev can you do a vid on modding a stock xbox/ps5 controller into an "elite" controller under a given price point? (

[@ukaszszczyt4912]

I know that KK3 Max is what we're having, but i'm sure the comp between KK3 Ultra and Vader 4 could be more adequate

[@corniel657]

Hold up, there's Ultimate variant?

[@ukaszszczyt4912]

I misstyped myself. It's supposed to be "Ultra" not "Ultimate"

[@ukaszszczyt4912]

​@@corniel657 There will be. It was leaked here and there, even on their own website in one of the graphics for an accessories product

[@4gottenWarriors]

Can't wait to get my hands on this controller

[@franzabala7447]

Which is lighter between the vader and apex? ❤

[@gureimeru]

The video I've been waiting for before buying!

[@YXY703]

Bro, Vader 4 pror+charger+case 70$ vs Apex 4+charger+case+phone holder 101$ (Ali sale) what to choose?

[@classiccj2569]

For racing games, would the Apex 4 be better because of the adaptive triggers? Or is it not worth the extra money

[@WolfOfJustice]

I like certain things about the Apex 4 and Vader 4 Pro, in terms of features and the overall designs. However, I can't stand see-through devices, as they look pretty tacky and I much prefer a basic but stealthy black exterior. The Vader 4 Pro is the right controller for me, and although I strongly contemplated also getting the Apex 4, I don't see the need to have something that's very similar, give or take a few extra features like that screen and adaptive triggers. The AC version of the Apex 4 was definitely a very tempting purchase, since its exterior design is much better looking than the basic model, but once again it just looks and feels too similar to the Vaders.

[@snoweh1]

For me the controller could be poo-poo brown with green and pink neon accents, and I wouldn't mind as long as it worked well. I'd probably learn to love how it looked. But I agree with buying just one of the controllers, could always get whatever controller they come out with in the future with God knows what features they'll have.

[@BenTefo]

I play story games and longevity is very important to me, do you think I should buy apex 4 or vader 4 pro?

[@oshinoshinobu224]

vader, its lighter

[@tonykwon2134]

The flydigi apex 4 has power issues flydigi does nothing about it its kinda sad that the controller didnt last i would easily ssy if u wanna daily the controller flyzdigi apex 4 is a gamble mine went from working perfectly to a brick that doesnt even turn on and i took care of it well

[@tonykwon2134]

Bunch of people that have the controller dealt with it and if u didnt just wait😂😂it will happen to urs too if ur apex 4 doesnt allow u to use regular input mode then thats probs a sign urs is gonna break too

[@TkoddaLee]

@@tonykwon2134seem like every KZbinr is saying this controller is the best but I’ve seen some ppl complaining bout stick dift

[@gvlialis]

Bought Vader 4 pro for 58 euros and shipped already.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Nice 👍🏼

[@epatihk]

I wish I can use the Vader 4 but my fingers feel so uncomfortable pressing the back buttons. I wish they would change that part of the design 😔

[@CreateNowSleepLater]

There are some reports of a lot of lag on the Vader 4. Do you have a take on that?

[@leonardomatheus1888]

Im disappointed with the lag. Sure, i won't even notice it playing 60fps+ games on my pc. But i surely will playing over bluetooth on some emulators that already have input lag.

[@Narzor]

I've no lag with the controller and I am using the dongle that comes with it.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@@leonardomatheus1888I've been using it with the Dolphin emulator on PC, and I've noticed 0 lag. In comparison, my DS4 had much more lag, although it wasn't that significant.

[@DonFred_PT]

But with cable do u have that fell of lagging?

[@XIHAVENONAMETAGX-kh5ge]

Thank you for this video. But I'm still thinking between the Apex 4 or the Hexgaming Phantom.

[@akev2794]

I have the choice between the Vader 4 Pro at £54 and the Apex 4 at £74 via Banggood in the UK, a lot closer than the price difference in the video. Which shoud I go for?

[@n64slayer]

I just got my vader 4 pro and it already has sick drift up to 5% deadzone, I have tried to calibrate the controller using windows and the flydigi mobile app and neither of them helped in fact I think it made it worse. The stick drift seems to be uni-directional across the x-axis on both joysticks and when calibrated will usually drift to the right or to the left it just randomly decides which direction to drift in. Is there any way to fix this, or will I have to wait for and update or just return the controller?

[@raghavbatra12345]

Wierd for this this to happen

[@n64slayer]

@raghavbatra12345 not really considering the ammount of software bugs with the vader 4 pro and apex 4

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@@raghavbatra12345It's not normal, my Vader 4 Pro doesn't exhibit any issues.

[@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Now we just need a touchpad and it would be the best controller ever made.

[@Fdottty]

The Vader 3 pro is 60 dollars on Amazon now

[@Fdottty]

Nvm

[@ribbz22]

When you thinking the vid will drop regarding the converters that work to play PS5 games without a PS5 pad? For whatever reason I do not jive with the ps5 pad at all and really want to use something else but Sony has that system really locked down. Tried a brook converter and it didn't really work.

[@Axlh117]

Can you try clutch controllers please ? 🥺👍🏼

[@mistertrackk]

I just want a ps-layout HE controller that isn't expensive af :(

[@natannanak]

My apex 4 analog broke because it can't handle the pressure of adjustment , I'll wait for Apex 5 or whatever

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Sounds like it's faulty.

[@natannanak]

@@slayertwix5491 I wanted to get another one because it was the best controller I've used so far but it had this problem I have the Apex 3 and Vader 3 with no problems

[@lordakiasantiago7562]

​@@StardustLegacyFighterits More like "Flydigi use CHEAP components and materials" they are a chinese company, what do you expect???

[@kecih]

actually considering to get the Apex because I wanted to game and feel the force feedback triggers (i mainly play fighting/racing games on a controller) what do you recommend between the Apex 3 or Apex 4?

[@psycho_ch7281]

Good video and waiting for the one of the kk3 max

[@wesms9575]

Can anybody tell me about the difference between vader 4/Apex 4 vibration?

[@comkioxd]

vader 4 has normal motors that don't adapt to the game apex 4 has motors on the triggers and on the body that adapt to the game, the triggers also have a tensioning mechanism that you can also adjust yourself to feel stiffer, have recoil, push back against you or lock them to feel like vader's mech triggers

[@camersi]

Are they improve the bumpers over the apex 4? That’s all I need to know

[@WolfOfJustice]

They're the same. 🤷

[@camersi]

@@WolfOfJustice yes I received the Vader 4 pro a few days and it have the same bumpers I really like the Vader 4 pro because of those two extras buttons and the weight but I prefer the apex 4 joysticks

[@Renin_Reyulo]

I bought over 20 controllers watching reviews for all of them, because I play smash competitively, and all of them had problems for smash ultimate. Some had input delay for Nintendo Switch, some had no vibration, some horrible vibration, some delete my inputs of flicking right to left in 1/10th a second (dash dancing in smash) and reflecting that I barely moved the joystick, and finally many of them drift! Leaving me for years in a controller crisis. I have gone through 5 official pro controllers from nintendo, but they all drifted in under 2 months, despite my extreme lengths to take care of them. So I settled for a 3rd party power A wired controller with no vibration that lasted me 8 months til it physically broke from an accident. What's immensely frustrating is when the reviewers don't play competitively (not that they're obligated to) and they say the controller is good on inputs and only touch on surface level features. HOWEVER, You're channel goes in depth and care about quality. This gives me hope, and appreciation for your content.

[@mikhailmuraviev3316]

Damn, I would like to ask your opinion. I have steam deck docked and I'm looking for controller around 40-50$ to use it via dongle. I play mainly arcades, fightings and fps like overwatch 2. Better with back paddles which can be assigned. What would you recommend?

[@kazaakas]

Could you make a video on how you added extra back-side buttons to your Dualsense controller?

[@B3AROTAN]

Does this work on PS5 in any capacity? Too many drawbacks to the Edge, Viktrix, Razer & Nacon, Besavior, Scuf. Etc...

[@xDaWorsT13]

What has faster response time. Ps5 controller or Vader 4

[@kennethjuraszek5058]

Trying to find something for Xbox that is not $200 that has Hall effect sticks, at least 2 back buttons, and trigger locks. The only thing I found with all 3 is the stealth ultra. Any suggestions??

[@mrjtfang2]

I assume the vader 4 isn't close enough?

[@Mister_Tedious]

literally the vader 3 or 4 pro.

[@kennethjuraszek5058]

Saw nothing that said they were compatible. I just read you need an adapter, and those apparently cause the sticks to not function well, if the adapter even works at all.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

The Stealth Ultra is alright, but apparently the battery life is terrible, nowhere near the advertised 30 hours.

[@sergiojetro4522]

everyone chooses a gamepad according to their own style in the game and their personal preferences, what Apex 4 has, Vader 4 does not, everything is simple, then everyone watches different reviews on KZbin to understand why Apex 4 will be better for him than Vader 4 and vice versa, and yes there is an ideal controller but it is only ideal for a specific individual

[@Farhan-zl3be]

will you be reviewing the new g7 HE?

[@lordakiasantiago7562]

Naaaa... Flydigi has an HORRIBLE QC!!!!! The sh*t brokes EASY!!! Specially on joysticks, and the guaranty isnt even exist in most of the countries!!! 150$ for a broke controller and NO REPLACEMENTS and NO REFUND???? HELL NO!!!! 👎

[@AquaticMammalOnBicycle]

If it doesn't have a spring, what is forcing the centering? Where is the tension coming from? And whatever that part is, isn't it possible for it to break or mess up at some point?

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Jeez louise, that's a nasty loaded question.