Vader on Paul Orndorff Fight

Vader on his Backstage Fight with Paul Orndorff
3 time WCW World Champion, 3 time New Japan Pro Wrestling IWGP Champion & WWE main eventer "Big Van Vader" discusses his infamous dressing room fight with WWE Hall of Famer and former World Championship Wrestling agent Paul "Mr. Wonderful" Orndorff. Vader's suspension because of the incident ultimately led to him leaving WCW despite being a top star there for years and joining World Wrestling Entertainment.
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[@TheHannibalTV]

Paul Orndorff on Vader fight video link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2W5oKanZcSch9k

[@Halbared]

Hannibal, what do you think is the truth here?

[@SovereignStatesman]

@@Halbared With wrestling stories, the LEAST LIKELY story is bound to be the truth, because wrestlers are PAID to lie. Knowing Vader, he could be dangerous if angry, but always quickly realized "oh shit" afterward since he was fearful for his career-- with good reason.

[@derkdillon5210]

Well his story is different from everyone else's 🤷 he may have forgotten because he was beaten so badly.

[@KATBIRD68]

About Paul orndorff it's always the short guy that has to prove himself!!!

[@Ditka-89]

Hannibal, the Iron Sheik’s recollection was more in line with Orndorff’s story. Would do you believe?

[@locutus442]

R.I.P. Leon White a.k.a. Big Van Vader

[@shawngreene1225]

I didn't know he died RIP

[@epicpika11]

Also RIP Mr Wonderful

[@desklamp1175]

How about getting the information from the witnesses.

[@brainynbrawny9562]

I remember seeing Orndorff and that nerve damage issue he had with that arm - it was quite visibly smaller. I find it hard to believe that Orndorff could hurt Vader - Vader's just so damn big...

[@SignOfTheTimes008]

In his prime he may have, but not then. I believe Vader is right how this really happened.

[@Hallo_215]

@@SignOfTheTimes008 Tony Shiavone was right there and confirmed that Orndorff beat the piss out of Vader, and that Vader initiated the fight. Orndorff put him down on the ground and stomped a mudhole into his head while Vader was screaming for someone to get him Orndorff off of him. He spoke about it on a WHW podcast with Conrad Thompson.

[@SignOfTheTimes008]

@@Hallo_215 Well recent interviews I watched showed Vader as a reckless worker, so maybe he had it coming.

[@joelpocalips]

@@SignOfTheTimes008 yeah look up the match where he "breaks" a jobbers back in wcw. He was unnecessarily rough to some dudes. And he was slapping that guy around. It's one thing if the two guys agree to go hard on each other. I'm a huge vader fan, but you can't avoid reality.

[@SignOfTheTimes008]

@@joelpocalips I hate seeing jobbers get hurt, its reckless and unnecessary and shows unprofessionalism.

[@johnny5805]

I always thought Orndorff's story was suspicious. I'm sorry that Vader's reputation is still sullied to this day by this story. I'm glad he at least got a chance to put across his side of the story.

[@cappy2282]

....what a badass. Love Vader dude should be in hall of fame...like yesterday

[@s.m.whiteII]

I believe Robert Fullers version, he didn’t have a dog in the fight and was a unbiased witness

[@MC-rf8sx]

Vader seems pretty cool I don't understand why people come at him..I wonder if it's all about Vader being pushed and other wrestler's being bitter..idk

[@Jabulani926]

They were so jealous and threatened by Leon's ability that they sabotaged his career. Even now they won't induct him into the Hall of Fame. 400+ lbs doing moonsaults off the top, only to have hbk call him stiff. RIP Leon! You will always be the man!

[@jpayne3616]

Yes he will

[@jrb9191]

Everyone called his stiff

[@t16205]

Vader was the best

[@oAPXo]

Now he's going into the hof. Its gonna be interesting.

[@famousmortimer7933]

I can’t wait to hear what he’ll say.

[@RestorationgroupOrgRIFT]

LOL, Meng says that's enough, everyone goes still as a statue

[@SovereignStatesman]

@Allen Wilson The fact that it's fake, means that there are NO RULES and it's REAL out of the ring, since you're on your own.

[@fshn4x4]

His vision is based on movement...he can't see us if we don't move 🦖

[@jaybird1229]

Andre the Giant was scared 😨😳😬of Meng !! Enough said.

[@thatoks6498]

Meng was no joke, The man can kill you with his bear hands.

[@shanobi1kanobi]

who'd have won between Meng and Haku

[@mwlaw1974vid]

Even Vader publicly acknowledges that you didn't want to mess with Meng

[@SovereignStatesman]

EVERYBODY knew you didn't mess with Meng. Samoans wobble but they don't fall down!

[@nukiepie]

Dude every single person in history of pro wrestling has saif u don't fuck with meng

[@nothing5283]

lol john cena would beat that stupid meng in half

[@jaybird1229]

@@nothing5283 WTF?? John Cena?? Why not the Brooklyn Brawler?? Or, Iron Mike Sharpe?? LMFAO

[@monbreau7306]

@@nothing5283 Fuck that Communist.

[@ChicoSmood]

That man was hitting back flips and I use to be terrified as a child of that. RIP to a legend !

[@abc456f]

Another wrestler confirming the legend of Meng.

[@danos1011]

such a nice genuine sweet guy outside of the ring.. smart and articulate as well.. legend right here!!

[@overundersidewaysdown7010]

Vader Brecker I've known Leon since jr. high. We played in the same defensive line in high school. A total ass kicker, who worked harder than anyone else, to make himself into something great. Not an easy guy to know, he could run hot and cold, but ultimately, a good dude who you HAVE to respect...he won't have it any other way.

[@ThePaudiaz]

over under sideways down what do you mean by not an easy guy to know?

[@mmafan8407]

6:52 "you don't want to mess with Meng". Even Vader was scared of Haku/Meng

[@sirmelancholia]

MMAfan That's really saying something

[@douglaspatrick868]

I met Tonga once, he is the sweetest guy, all about his family and generally being kind and easy, but even now as an old guy the air of potential danger there is very palpable still. Not a guy to disrespect or mistreat people around.

[@steelcastle5616]

You don't have to fear someone to give them respect for their azz-kick'in capability. Meng was/is a tough guy, but he never played that "fear me" role like some other wrestlers.

[@Rev201287]

Meng was like 6 feet 270 lbs.

[@alnosaints]

MMAfan rick rude would

[@Luispbringstheheat]

Even at the age he is Vader is still one intimidating looking son of a bitch

[@zackvanhalen]

I definitely believe Vader. Everything he said sounded sincere and made 100% sense.

[@glennralph7007]

Everyone else who witnessed this fight says what Paul says. I’ve never heard anyone say what Vader is saying lol. Paul kicked his ass lol

[@fcoba85]

@@glennralph7007 Sounds like Vader was selling the beating well so he'd get in less trouble.

[@fmthebaron]

@@glennralph7007 Drunk Buff Bagwell said he was there and just recently said Vader got up from Paul's assault and got Paul into the corner and was in control and that's when they broke it up.

[@jumbothompson]

Foley who actually liked Vader said Leon was never the same after this. I think Paul did get the better of him and it sort of tarnished his rep.

[@zackvanhalen]

@@jumbothompson According to Buff Bagwell, Orndorff took Vader down, but Vader got back up and was clearly dominating him. The fight was then quickly broken up when it became clear Vader was going to seriously hurt Paul if the fight continued. It's true Vader was never the same after this because he went to the WWF and was buried by Shawn Michaels, then treated like a joke.

[@davidstufflebean3285]

Yeah, I am going with Leon on this flip-flops at a TV show, Paul was already having medical issues and no strength in his arm that he slapped him with, love Mr.Wonderful but not buying his story.

[@joebarracuda6038]

I absolutely believe him, same thing with Shawn, when he stomped Vader's Head for being stiff. Vader could have destroyed that Fruitcake afterwards but didn't do anything because he feared being fired.

[@kv9104]

you can tell vaders telling the truth

[@robertjones6295]

Vader was one of my favorite

[@SovereignStatesman]

I believe him, but you never know with pro wrestlers; they're PAID to lie.

[@SovereignStatesman]

@Morpheus Fishburn But he wanted to KEEP his job, so he would let Orndorff have a free shot. I don't believe Orndorff was in any shape to hurt Vader; on Wrestlemania XXX, he needed a cane to walk, and Gene Okerlund had to identify him because he was not recognizable to the audience, even though Roddy Piper and Mr. T were.

[@stevesmith9459]

Every other recount says otherwise!

[@ronniemacdonald2768]

@@SovereignStatesman What the fuck does a Wrestlemania 20 years later have to do with it? Is Vader in much better shape considering he's dead?

[@REPVILE]

I believe this version over the others. Orndorffs story never did sit right.

[@axelfoley20]

Orndorffs' side of the story, along with the "witnesses" has changed. Orndorff says he had sandals on. Tony Schivone says he had regular shoes on. The story changes means, the story is bullshit. I think at this point, Vader's side is closer to truth than Orndorffs.

[@Tony-fq5bn]

Same thing with Bruce Prichard, saying there was no way he was making $750,000 a year. Although Bruce is also a lying workin bastard so I know atleast half the shit he says is straight lies....good podcast tho

[@johnfrye1034]

Ming was no joke, I heard he once had a staring contest with the sun, and won!

[@shawnreedy418]

I love Big Van , and I love Mr. Wonderful. But at the point of each of their careers at this point, Vader was bigger and stronger. Yes he performed stiff, and did a lot of bully shoots, and Van has admitted to that. But Orndorff was lucky to still be breathing. Just my opinion. Orndorff’s health was shot.

[@ninowaves4061]

Orndorff knocked the shyt out of him…everyone confirmed that. Rip to both legends

[@MrIZZYDAM]

I believe Vader . He was better than everyone . So when the orndoff thing happened the boys blew it out of proportion n orndorff being a egomaniac when along w it .

[@thefakedeal]

freddy fa everyone was lying except Vader. The only guy who had to save face.

[@tarheelspeighty9645]

Vader was known to be a great guy, and not a liar. So it doesn't fit for him to be a liar about this one thing. Liars lie,lie,lie, and he's known to be a stand up guy.

[@suoppsdn9751]

Paul has always been a hot head. I can totally see it happening like Vader said it happened

[@satan3959]

Yet SEVERAL witnesses who were actually in the locker room at the time actually CONFIRM Paul's side

[@tomtanaka841]

Vader let him live, he could have killed him if he wanted, stupid fuck!

[@mvpsmb2000]

@@satan3959 and each and every one of those guys clearly disliked Vader. They all viewed him as a jerk and/or bully. So by jumping on the bandwagon together with the laughable story of Paul getting the upper hand, they get rid of a back stage jerk, a stiff worker, and headline spot holder… or they perpetuate his tough guy rep over a sickly back stage manager. Come on, I think we can all see what happened here.

[@theteddy1487]

Seems believable, especially since he said he wouldn't mess with Meng so you know the guy isn't claiming he can't be beaten.

[@MeekMillisbendingoverrn]

That’s what people who got there ass kicked say when they don’t wanna come off as lying about what actually happened...it’s a tactic that gets people to believe your story more

[@russradoncicx7117]

Bro I slapped the shit out meng fohhh

[@Spooky_515]

@@MeekMillisbendingoverrnno matter what happened he didn’t get his ass kicked. He had a black eye at best and didn’t get to finish the fight.

[@ARTWV]

I seriously doubt Paul beat up Vader. This guy was a beast and so agile for a big man that we all know. God Bless Vader

[@LAVAROCK100]

even vader said you don't mess with Meng that would be a mistake

[@nanefresh]

unbeknownst to him a short while later Shawn Michaels would kill his career in WWF

[@ToonandBBfan]

Vader would have killed Michaels in a real fight

[@MGSBigBoss77]

Most people Shawn got booked to win over would've killed him in a real shoot fight!

[@ToonandBBfan]

MGSBigBoss77 I think Paul Bearer could nearly have chinned Shawn Michaels

[@box5bastard277]

but that's wrestling! yeah the older days they would book someone who could really handle themselves as champion in most cases, but that don't mean that they would be the best draw for the company. I mean I always wanted to see meng/haku as world champion, but it never happened but I'm not mad about it yell

[@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros4419]

Like someone said about pro wrestling: had anyone stepped into a real fight with Meng, they could have ended up murdered

[@oveidasinclair982]

Vader could have made Paul Orndorff his bitch, he could have squashed him like a bug.

[@markmullins5822]

"Wrestlers are horrible people" -Road Dogg

[@kyleday5026]

where did he say that

[@mcdonseggfart7070]

In 2020 it is all a bunch of vape smoking, 190lbs, half of them virgin, twitter addicts who do gymnastics in their underwear

[@ScrewTime]

@@mcdonseggfart7070 Haha what are you on about

[@lostways27]

Vader vs the nWo would have been classic, Vader vs 3 guys, 4 guys, 5 guys...!!

[@dglesterhardunkichud4017]

YOU WANT VAAAADER?

[@bigL.98]

"If thats not good enough for you,you can go f*** yourself" vader is real as it get's💯🤣

[@luish777]

I think Orndorff had loyalties with some of the guys they didn't want to burn him.I believe Vader's story yea he took some boots but totally beat down don't think so plus like he said Paul was hurt.Many were jealous of Vader he was stiff and he was getting paid$$.Vader was not one of the boys.

[@cribertot9649]

Vader's story sounds more legit than Nash and show off orndorrf

[@tomtanaka841]

Nash is a liar and he is dumb as a rock. He was in the WWF at that time, he's lying about being backstage when that happened.

[@BURN1NGx1NS1D3]

"It was like my 12 year old son punching me in the face." LOL

[@georgesalgado8642]

Of all the badass wrestlers who have confirmed Meng's toughness, I hold Vader's admission the highest. I can't even convey in words what that says about the mighty King Tonga.

[@georgesalgado8642]

Agreed. I have seen Perry Saturn speaking of Meng but not Bad News Brown yet.

[@pause1644]

👍

[@d-mo733]

Cage fightn wasnt really even popular then and he wouldnt get paid anywhere near the same dumbass! Thats why..He was a bad man! I met Him

[@bodybuilder748]

@@georgesalgado8642 the video of Bad News Brown speaking on Haku's toughness is there on KZbin. Look for it

[@georgejackson4426]

Don the Predator Frye said Haku is a badass. When a UFC Hall of Famer says that I believe him.

[@deandreparker5820]

anybody who doesn't remember Paul orndorff's arm was all the way jacked up in 95 when The Horseman power drove him on the floor on Nitro if anybody believes that Paul Orndorff beat up Vader is not in their right mind if you're real wrestling fan and you have the network go back and look at that and you will see exactly what Vader is talking about

[@jimh.412]

Really? Stone Cold was there and said Orndorff was kicking the shit out of Vader in flip flops and would've almost killed him if someone wouldn't have broken it up. Orndorff was a tough mofo.

[@r0ckstar666]

I believe Orndorff. Other people confirm Orndorff's version also is why I believe

[@daniel022209]

@@jimh.412 how in the hell was Austin there when Bischoff fired him from the company earlier that year? Austin was wrestling in ECW by this time before he went to the WWF.

[@tomtanaka841]

People still believe that old decrepit piece of trash could beat the shit out of Vader. hahaha Vader could have killed him if he really tried!

[@danielburger1775]

@@jimh.412 Austin was gone from WCW by that point. So...he lied. Just like Orndorff.

[@soulofanerd9364]

Wow this is some powerful insightful stuff from Vader...he keeps making note of his mistakes, gotta respect that. And based on the horrible run in WWE, it absolutely was a big mistake as he said, to leave WCW at that point. Wish he would've never left.

[@mikeperry7335]

man I don't think I've heard anybody say they can take Haku which is crazy in the wrestling world were everyone bullshits just because we'll new jack said he'd hide in a bush and hit him with a cinder block but he was probably cracked out of his mind so he don't count would've loved to see Haku in his prime fight 3 random guys in a bar

[@bigj6143]

Who cares about a back stage bitch slapping incident. Vader was more popular and made more money and put more butts in seats than Orndorff.

[@stevehalli1538]

I 100% believe Vaders story. I never liked Paul Ondorff to begin with. Rest easy Leon.

[@danos1011]

I was surprised to hear that orndorff could take on vader and beat him... glad Vader Cleared that up!!

[@nickdehart5702]

RIP Vader. We will all miss you terribly.

[@sh4branze]

He's lying. Several people that were there told the story differently. He got his ass kicked by a guy on flip flops.😂

[@GrimeBot-io7ho]

Yeah he is. Plus he says he kicked the shit out of Regal. No, no he didn't.

[@OZZ___]

4:26 HE HIT THE GROUND HARD, I SLAPPED THE SHIT OUT OF HIM LMAO

[@StrongStyleNinja]

Vader’s story is more believable than Orndorff’s side.

[@rklein40]

1 major problem, not one witness backs Vader's story. There are at least 6 witnesses on youtube that where there that backs Paul's story.

[@box5bastard277]

@@rklein40 because they didn't like Vader! And in Paul's rf shoot he says they went again and "he hit me with a few shots" folk leave that part out all the time yell

[@rklein40]

@@box5bastard277 I was wrong, there are about 8-10 guys that back Paul's story. Not all wrestlers either. They all say Vader got beat. They don't all hate Vader. 1 issue though, some say sandals, some say boots.

[@satan3959]

rklien40 WERE there not WHERE there, you moron WHERE is a location like WHERE are you going? Fucking morons today

[@maxililianadamalexdyhr9700]

20 % is lying. to many is saying what happened u were an ashole to others to

[@mbowlen34]

Even Vader is afraid of Meng (Haku)

[@randybarnett2308]

Meng vs Brock Lesnar ?

[@jk56f2]

man it would be great if someone could turn these old grudges amongst wrestlers into a ppv shoot fight special

[@SatanicNecrolust]

Fights that would suck because they'd gas in seconds and itd look sloppy....you really want to see that?

[@tommyhallum4207]

Yeah a bunch of 60,70 year old men fighting it out. I have a feeling it wouldn't be as entertaining as you would like it to be.

[@jaybird1229]

@@tommyhallum4207 Agreed!! Plus this ' match ' would be between a dead man ( Vader ) and someone dying of cancer ( Orndoff ).

[@michaelterrell5061]

@@jaybird1229 And now Mr Wonderful has passed.

[@jaybird1229]

@@michaelterrell5061 Unfortunately, yes. IMO, the best heel ever. At least he's no longer suffering.

[@ericbutton222]

I believe Vader 100 % Vader was 350 pounds, orndorff 200 with a bad, thin arm.

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

Means nothing.

[@john5mac]

Big van vaders name backwards is Redav Nav Gib

[@excelsciors]

May your soul live on forever Mr. Leon White Van Vader! Thank you for entertaining us on TV!

[@mvpsmb2000]

Ok, so the majority of “flip flop” story teller wrestlers clearly disliked Vader. They all viewed him as a jerk and/or bully. So by jumping on the bandwagon together with the laughable story of Paul getting the upper hand, they get rid of a back stage jerk, a stiff worker, and headline spot holder… or they could be honest and perpetuate his tough guy rep over a sickly back stage manager. Come on, I think we can all see what happened here.

[@zepole87]

Stories like this will not exist with todays shitty wrestlers.

[@chadgray5872]

It seems to me it's Vader against the world, if everyone is talking shit on you, it's probably true. Leon was a lying sociopath, he could not be trusted. He loved to hurt people, and he loved to lie.

[@jonathanwarren5605]

No doubt Vader would have hurt Paul, if he would have wanted to

[@nantahalarat]

I believe Kevin Sullivan's version!

[@jeffreyross71]

Orndorff kicked vaders ass wearing flip flops

[@thedestroyer693]

A 300 lb man that can do a moonsault, is a bad mofo

[@QuickFlipEric]

Brock lesnar lol

[@tysn74]

BS, don't believe him. Bullies always get scared when their 1st action fails. He started it but was too scared to end it. vader was 6'4/ 450 lbs, paul was 6'/ 200 lbs.

[@Picasso_305]

Pauls arm at that time was in terrible shape from continual nerve danage. Could not train much and was no longer 265 pounds.

[@jonwarren4245]

For the ones who think Paul beat the shit out of Leon is absolutely crazy. Not many men could whip Leon in his prime.

[@ninowaves4061]

Joey styles knocked out Bradshaw..anything’s possible

[@michaelmclaren1333]

Vader did have a good point. Who's boss is wearing shower shoes aka flip flops. What kind of "boss" would be wearing flip flops?

[@AceGoodheart]

Vader is more believable than Orndorff. Plus you can't always go by what Orndorff says.

[@manutdtv2533]

lol it's obvious Orndorff started the shit but the fat prick deserved it. He treated anyone he could like shit and karma bit him on the ass.

[@barrybolder7810]

mrbadguysan I've heard about 20 shoot interviews where guys bury Vader. He was a prick to whoever he could get away with it and was very disliked. That's why when this fight happened there was a collective cheer and Vader was painted as the shit disturber who got his ass handed to him when that wasn't what happened.

[@RyTrapp0]

barry bolder You mean you've watched a bunch of KZbin videos where guys are telling stories about the past 2, 3, 4, 5+ decades in a niche entertainment industry and you've ASSumed where everyone stands on this guy and that guy and that group, probably with a little influence from your own feelings as well. No, just because someone tells a story from x amount of time ago about an incident that they may have not even been involved with doesn't mean that this person has feelings one way or another about the person in the story. Really, why the hell does this have to be explained? "Someone told a negative story about someone else - guess they really must hate them", No shit you know that human interaction is more complex than that.

[@bcgoldengamer]

Good to see Leon. Thank's Devon.

[@krlm2280]

Golden Gamer rip vader

[@jpayne3616]

Wtf?? Those that really loved wrestling in the 90's KNEW Vader EARNED that money. Jealous ass Flair. Vader was so fucking believable man. He damn well deserved what he was making

[@flynt01]

I've heard this story several times from other wrestlers and never thought it made any sense. Old as Orndorff beating up a prime Vader? Fuck outta here!

[@barrybolder7810]

Everybody hated Vader backstage and everyone respected Orndorff that's why the consensus is Paul kicked his ass.

[@The_Drifter_13]

I believe Leon’s account of the incident. It seems much more plausible.

[@fireinthehole72]

There’s nothing like wrestling back in the day. I remember watching AWA, NWA, WWF, UWF and WCCW…. Vader moved around in that ring like he was a cruiserweight….Wrestling today is garbage…..

[@alaooooy7]

Yeah everyone else is lying but your story where you're the poor victim that's also somehow tough is the truth I guess!

[@b_side8669]

Vader might’ve felt it was a big mistake to jump ship at the time but honestly would Eric have kept his word ?

[@chriswillis1585]

Thank you for kicking regal's butt.

[@pd9971]

His recollection of the Orndorff incident is way different than all the other wrestlers that actually witnessed the fight!

[@SovereignStatesman]

Yeah wrestlers who wanna keep their JOBS because Orndorff was a head manager. Meanwhile Meng never said any different

[@etherdetroit1977]

@@SovereignStatesman weird how their stories are still the same decades later.

[@FuuuckOffff]

He's making excuses. He let him hit him, he wasnt wearing boots. He's lying.

[@SovereignStatesman]

@@etherdetroit1977 So are urban legends.

[@SovereignStatesman]

@@FuuuckOffff Sure, because no wrestler EVER let someone hit them on purpose. You really think Bret Hart punched Vince across a room full of wrestlers? Vince SOLD it to Bret, to settle his feewings. Same here.

[@84slaughter]

VADER TIME!!!

[@_uncle_rj_4786]

On stone colds podcast he said Paul caught Vader with a left and dropped him and then stomped him out with flip flops on

[@JustinTNAWWEGuy]

I never believed Paul's story about this fight. Vader would have killed him if he wanted to

[@8kigana]

he was a very mobile athletic 100 lbs heavier than him.

[@frankcabanski9409]

Paul spread a lie, and others took it up. Pure evil. Terrible.

[@jonnybcool2000]

I believe Vader , he didnt want to hurt Paul ... Paul use this story for years to build his ego .. RIP to both of them though , good memories

[@johnkolko5199]

think he was more concerned about losing his job than not hurting him

[@mikeperry7335]

that arm thing must've sucked for Paul guy was jacked then that shit happend and he still wrestled for a bit with it u can see him on the early nitros and it's like he has to diffrent arms

[@Azomorat]

I buy Leons version.

[@robertgoss7355]

This could be true. Orndorff did have a bad arm.

[@kriegpaolo]

Yeah I dont know whats up with all these ol timers...Piper (RIP) was bullshitting about throwing out Kevin Nash out of a room, a small n somewhat disabled Orndorff was bullshitting about beating the crap out of Vader...smh

[@farquadshmoogle9120]

so you saying the story told to Steve Austin was BS???

[@NYKgjl10]

Vader is the man!!

[@Halbared]

I'd love you to get Haku's commentary on this incident. He's the one I'd believe above all. Vader's sounds a lot more plausible than the rest of he ones, ore than half who weren't even there.

[@farleysmoke5130]

Bullshit everone else says Vader got his head caved in.

[@markdp1983]

Well Schiavone and others say that Vader got his ass whipped by Orndorff.

[@maxililianadamalexdyhr9700]

trying to save his face

[@heavyhitta6839]

Lmao Funny how Vader is the only one with this story? 🤔 Everyone else says Paul kick his AZZ! 🤣

[@TheHannibalTV]

Haku would be the most honest about the story he broke it up. A lot of people hated Vader. Penzer did say Vader wanted to continue before Haku came in.

[@jonathanhensley6141]

Yes the old wrestlers up to 1989 were jealous of Vader because he was way more talented than most of them. Jim Ross said they brought Vader into WCW because they needed physicality and toughness. WCW and WWE really had no idea of what to do with Vader especially after they brought Hogan into wcw.

[@SUPERTROOPER89]

Its time...its time...its respect for Vader time. Rest in peace big man

[@r0ckstar666]

i believe orndorff

[@Michael-fc4ch]

When vader says you don't wanna mess with someone it's the truth.

[@0ldFrittenfett]

I believe Vaders side. Even with both arms and without flip flops he would have stood no chance. And I've never fought anyone in my life. I'm a peaceful man. But Vader knew how to fight for real. He played football.

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

Football isn't fighting.

[@davidrichards6059]

I'm hoping that last line was sarcasm....

[@GrimeBot-io7ho]

Orndorff played football, too.

[@michaelmarette4423]

Tony Shivone, a wwf commentator well known in the 1980s and of course in wcw was an eye witness and saw the entire incident between Paul and Leon. Vader is completely 100 percent full of shit. Leon pushed Paul, and Paul clocked Leon in the face. Leon went down hard on the ground and Paul was stomping the shit out of Leon. Meng was not there so he didn't break up any fight let alone the asskicking that Paul gave to Leon that day. And it was Leon that pushed Paul. Leon, not Paul started the fight.

[@johndoiron9615]

It's so weird seeing him without the mask.

[@Criticalthinker0515]

Rip. Vader and Rip. Paul. O.

[@davidreeves4556]

kind of all seems like high school!

[@BossChronicles]

R.I.P. Vader

[@wagsoman]

Many wrestlers have said that Paul Orndorff was a legit badass. Vader was no doubt tough as he showed in some of his matches over his career. you never hear about any backstage fights or outside the arena involving Vader. The stories of Paul Orndorff fighting have been confirmed by many wrestlers and he noted as one of the strongest from his era. I believe Paul Orndorff s story before he passed. Yes he had injuries that severely changed his body but a true fighter never gives up or back down from anyone. Vader was retired and he should be humble and admit he got his as s handed to him.