Vader on Paul Orndorff Fight

[@TheHannibalTV]

Paul Orndorff on Vader fight video link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2W5oKanZcSch9k

[@Halbared]

Hannibal, what do you think is the truth here?

[@SovereignStatesman]

@@Halbared With wrestling stories, the LEAST LIKELY story is bound to be the truth, because wrestlers are PAID to lie. Knowing Vader, he could be dangerous if angry, but always quickly realized "oh shit" afterward since he was fearful for his career-- with good reason.

[@derkdillon5210]

Well his story is different from everyone else's 🤷 he may have forgotten because he was beaten so badly.

[@KATBIRD68]

About Paul orndorff it's always the short guy that has to prove himself!!!

[@Ditka-89]

Hannibal, the Iron Sheik’s recollection was more in line with Orndorff’s story. Would do you believe?

[@Jabulani926]

They were so jealous and threatened by Leon's ability that they sabotaged his career. Even now they won't induct him into the Hall of Fame. 400+ lbs doing moonsaults off the top, only to have hbk call him stiff. RIP Leon! You will always be the man!

[@jpayne3616]

Yes he will

[@jrb9191]

Everyone called his stiff

[@t16205]

Vader was the best

[@oAPXo]

Now he's going into the hof. Its gonna be interesting.

[@famousmortimer7933]

I can’t wait to hear what he’ll say.

[@locutus442]

R.I.P. Leon White a.k.a. Big Van Vader

[@shawngreene1225]

I didn't know he died RIP

[@epicpika11]

Also RIP Mr Wonderful

[@desklamp1175]

How about getting the information from the witnesses.

[@abc456f]

Another wrestler confirming the legend of Meng.

[@ChicoSmood]

That man was hitting back flips and I use to be terrified as a child of that. RIP to a legend !

[@danos1011]

such a nice genuine sweet guy outside of the ring.. smart and articulate as well.. legend right here!!

[@overundersidewaysdown7010]

Vader Brecker I've known Leon since jr. high. We played in the same defensive line in high school. A total ass kicker, who worked harder than anyone else, to make himself into something great. Not an easy guy to know, he could run hot and cold, but ultimately, a good dude who you HAVE to respect...he won't have it any other way.

[@ThePaudiaz]

over under sideways down what do you mean by not an easy guy to know?

[@zackvanhalen]

I definitely believe Vader. Everything he said sounded sincere and made 100% sense.

[@glennralph7007]

Everyone else who witnessed this fight says what Paul says. I’ve never heard anyone say what Vader is saying lol. Paul kicked his ass lol

[@fcoba85]

@@glennralph7007 Sounds like Vader was selling the beating well so he'd get in less trouble.

[@fmthebaron]

@@glennralph7007 Drunk Buff Bagwell said he was there and just recently said Vader got up from Paul's assault and got Paul into the corner and was in control and that's when they broke it up.

[@jumbothompson]

Foley who actually liked Vader said Leon was never the same after this. I think Paul did get the better of him and it sort of tarnished his rep.

[@zackvanhalen]

@@jumbothompson According to Buff Bagwell, Orndorff took Vader down, but Vader got back up and was clearly dominating him. The fight was then quickly broken up when it became clear Vader was going to seriously hurt Paul if the fight continued. It's true Vader was never the same after this because he went to the WWF and was buried by Shawn Michaels, then treated like a joke.

[@mwlaw1974vid]

Even Vader publicly acknowledges that you didn't want to mess with Meng

[@SovereignStatesman]

EVERYBODY knew you didn't mess with Meng. Samoans wobble but they don't fall down!

[@nukiepie]

Dude every single person in history of pro wrestling has saif u don't fuck with meng

[@nothing5283]

lol john cena would beat that stupid meng in half

[@jaybird1229]

@@nothing5283 WTF?? John Cena?? Why not the Brooklyn Brawler?? Or, Iron Mike Sharpe?? LMFAO

[@monbreau7306]

@@nothing5283 Fuck that Communist.

[@RestorationgroupOrgRIFT]

LOL, Meng says that's enough, everyone goes still as a statue

[@SovereignStatesman]

@Allen Wilson The fact that it's fake, means that there are NO RULES and it's REAL out of the ring, since you're on your own.

[@fshn4x4]

His vision is based on movement...he can't see us if we don't move 🦖

[@jaybird1229]

Andre the Giant was scared 😨😳😬of Meng !! Enough said.

[@thatoks6498]

Meng was no joke, The man can kill you with his bear hands.

[@shanobi1kanobi]

who'd have won between Meng and Haku

[@MrIZZYDAM]

I believe Vader . He was better than everyone . So when the orndoff thing happened the boys blew it out of proportion n orndorff being a egomaniac when along w it .

[@thefakedeal]

freddy fa everyone was lying except Vader. The only guy who had to save face.

[@tarheelspeighty9645]

Vader was known to be a great guy, and not a liar. So it doesn't fit for him to be a liar about this one thing. Liars lie,lie,lie, and he's known to be a stand up guy.

[@axelfoley20]

Orndorffs' side of the story, along with the "witnesses" has changed. Orndorff says he had sandals on. Tony Schivone says he had regular shoes on. The story changes means, the story is bullshit. I think at this point, Vader's side is closer to truth than Orndorffs.

[@Tony-fq5bn]

Same thing with Bruce Prichard, saying there was no way he was making $750,000 a year. Although Bruce is also a lying workin bastard so I know atleast half the shit he says is straight lies....good podcast tho

[@ARTWV]

I seriously doubt Paul beat up Vader. This guy was a beast and so agile for a big man that we all know. God Bless Vader

[@theteddy1487]

Seems believable, especially since he said he wouldn't mess with Meng so you know the guy isn't claiming he can't be beaten.

[@CornellBillingsWorth]

That’s what people who got there ass kicked say when they don’t wanna come off as lying about what actually happened...it’s a tactic that gets people to believe your story more

[@russradoncicx7117]

Bro I slapped the shit out meng fohhh

[@Spooky_515]

@@CornellBillingsWorthno matter what happened he didn’t get his ass kicked. He had a black eye at best and didn’t get to finish the fight.

[@mmafan8407]

6:52 "you don't want to mess with Meng". Even Vader was scared of Haku/Meng

[@sirmelancholia]

MMAfan That's really saying something

[@douglaspatrick868]

I met Tonga once, he is the sweetest guy, all about his family and generally being kind and easy, but even now as an old guy the air of potential danger there is very palpable still. Not a guy to disrespect or mistreat people around.

[@steelcastle5616]

You don't have to fear someone to give them respect for their azz-kick'in capability. Meng was/is a tough guy, but he never played that "fear me" role like some other wrestlers.

[@Rev201287]

Meng was like 6 feet 270 lbs.

[@alnosaints]

MMAfan rick rude would

[@georgesalgado8642]

Of all the badass wrestlers who have confirmed Meng's toughness, I hold Vader's admission the highest. I can't even convey in words what that says about the mighty King Tonga.

[@georgesalgado8642]

Agreed. I have seen Perry Saturn speaking of Meng but not Bad News Brown yet.

[@pause1644]

👍

[@d-mo733]

Cage fightn wasnt really even popular then and he wouldnt get paid anywhere near the same dumbass! Thats why..He was a bad man! I met Him

[@bodybuilder748]

@@georgesalgado8642 the video of Bad News Brown speaking on Haku's toughness is there on KZbin. Look for it

[@georgejackson4426]

Don the Predator Frye said Haku is a badass. When a UFC Hall of Famer says that I believe him.

[@joebarracuda6038]

I absolutely believe him, same thing with Shawn, when he stomped Vader's Head for being stiff. Vader could have destroyed that Fruitcake afterwards but didn't do anything because he feared being fired.

[@kv9104]

you can tell vaders telling the truth

[@robertjones6295]

Vader was one of my favorite

[@SovereignStatesman]

I believe him, but you never know with pro wrestlers; they're PAID to lie.

[@SovereignStatesman]

@Morpheus Fishburn But he wanted to KEEP his job, so he would let Orndorff have a free shot. I don't believe Orndorff was in any shape to hurt Vader; on Wrestlemania XXX, he needed a cane to walk, and Gene Okerlund had to identify him because he was not recognizable to the audience, even though Roddy Piper and Mr. T were.

[@stevesmith9459]

Every other recount says otherwise!

[@ronniemacdonald2768]

@@SovereignStatesman What the fuck does a Wrestlemania 20 years later have to do with it? Is Vader in much better shape considering he's dead?

[@Luispbringstheheat]

Even at the age he is Vader is still one intimidating looking son of a bitch

[@nickdehart5702]

RIP Vader. We will all miss you terribly.

[@soulofanerd9364]

Wow this is some powerful insightful stuff from Vader...he keeps making note of his mistakes, gotta respect that. And based on the horrible run in WWE, it absolutely was a big mistake as he said, to leave WCW at that point. Wish he would've never left.

[@bigL.98]

"If thats not good enough for you,you can go f*** yourself" vader is real as it get's💯🤣

[@BURN1NGx1NS1D3]

"It was like my 12 year old son punching me in the face." LOL

[@REPVILE]

I believe this version over the others. Orndorffs story never did sit right.

[@johnny5805]

I always thought Orndorff's story was suspicious. I'm sorry that Vader's reputation is still sullied to this day by this story. I'm glad he at least got a chance to put across his side of the story.

[@suoppsdn9751]

Paul has always been a hot head. I can totally see it happening like Vader said it happened

[@satan3959]

Yet SEVERAL witnesses who were actually in the locker room at the time actually CONFIRM Paul's side

[@tomtanaka841]

Vader let him live, he could have killed him if he wanted, stupid fuck!

[@mvpsmb2000]

@@satan3959 and each and every one of those guys clearly disliked Vader. They all viewed him as a jerk and/or bully. So by jumping on the bandwagon together with the laughable story of Paul getting the upper hand, they get rid of a back stage jerk, a stiff worker, and headline spot holder… or they perpetuate his tough guy rep over a sickly back stage manager. Come on, I think we can all see what happened here.

[@lostways27]

Vader vs the nWo would have been classic, Vader vs 3 guys, 4 guys, 5 guys...!!

[@dglesterhardunkichud4017]

YOU WANT VAAAADER?

[@brainynbrawny9562]

I remember seeing Orndorff and that nerve damage issue he had with that arm - it was quite visibly smaller. I find it hard to believe that Orndorff could hurt Vader - Vader's just so damn big...

[@SignOfTheTimes008]

In his prime he may have, but not then. I believe Vader is right how this really happened.

[@Hallo_215]

@@SignOfTheTimes008 Tony Shiavone was right there and confirmed that Orndorff beat the piss out of Vader, and that Vader initiated the fight. Orndorff put him down on the ground and stomped a mudhole into his head while Vader was screaming for someone to get him Orndorff off of him. He spoke about it on a WHW podcast with Conrad Thompson.

[@SignOfTheTimes008]

@@Hallo_215 Well recent interviews I watched showed Vader as a reckless worker, so maybe he had it coming.

[@joelpocalips]

@@SignOfTheTimes008 yeah look up the match where he "breaks" a jobbers back in wcw. He was unnecessarily rough to some dudes. And he was slapping that guy around. It's one thing if the two guys agree to go hard on each other. I'm a huge vader fan, but you can't avoid reality.

[@SignOfTheTimes008]

@@joelpocalips I hate seeing jobbers get hurt, its reckless and unnecessary and shows unprofessionalism.

[@excelsciors]

May your soul live on forever Mr. Leon White Van Vader! Thank you for entertaining us on TV!

[@LAVAROCK100]

even vader said you don't mess with Meng that would be a mistake

[@danos1011]

I was surprised to hear that orndorff could take on vader and beat him... glad Vader Cleared that up!!

[@deandreparker5820]

anybody who doesn't remember Paul orndorff's arm was all the way jacked up in 95 when The Horseman power drove him on the floor on Nitro if anybody believes that Paul Orndorff beat up Vader is not in their right mind if you're real wrestling fan and you have the network go back and look at that and you will see exactly what Vader is talking about

[@jimh.412]

Really? Stone Cold was there and said Orndorff was kicking the shit out of Vader in flip flops and would've almost killed him if someone wouldn't have broken it up. Orndorff was a tough mofo.

[@r0ckstar666]

I believe Orndorff. Other people confirm Orndorff's version also is why I believe

[@daniel022209]

@@jimh.412 how in the hell was Austin there when Bischoff fired him from the company earlier that year? Austin was wrestling in ECW by this time before he went to the WWF.

[@tomtanaka841]

People still believe that old decrepit piece of trash could beat the shit out of Vader. hahaha Vader could have killed him if he really tried!

[@danielburger1775]

@@jimh.412 Austin was gone from WCW by that point. So...he lied. Just like Orndorff.

[@markmullins5822]

"Wrestlers are horrible people" -Road Dogg

[@kyleday5026]

where did he say that

[@mcdonseggfart7070]

In 2020 it is all a bunch of vape smoking, 190lbs, half of them virgin, twitter addicts who do gymnastics in their underwear

[@ScrewTime]

@@mcdonseggfart7070 Haha what are you on about

[@davidstufflebean3285]

Yeah, I am going with Leon on this flip-flops at a TV show, Paul was already having medical issues and no strength in his arm that he slapped him with, love Mr.Wonderful but not buying his story.

[@nanefresh]

unbeknownst to him a short while later Shawn Michaels would kill his career in WWF

[@ToonandBBfan]

Vader would have killed Michaels in a real fight

[@MGSBigBoss77]

Most people Shawn got booked to win over would've killed him in a real shoot fight!

[@ToonandBBfan]

MGSBigBoss77 I think Paul Bearer could nearly have chinned Shawn Michaels

[@box5bastard277]

but that's wrestling! yeah the older days they would book someone who could really handle themselves as champion in most cases, but that don't mean that they would be the best draw for the company. I mean I always wanted to see meng/haku as world champion, but it never happened but I'm not mad about it yell

[@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros4419]

Like someone said about pro wrestling: had anyone stepped into a real fight with Meng, they could have ended up murdered

[@jk56f2]

man it would be great if someone could turn these old grudges amongst wrestlers into a ppv shoot fight special

[@SatanicNecrolust]

Fights that would suck because they'd gas in seconds and itd look sloppy....you really want to see that?

[@tommyhallum4207]

Yeah a bunch of 60,70 year old men fighting it out. I have a feeling it wouldn't be as entertaining as you would like it to be.

[@jaybird1229]

@@tommyhallum4207 Agreed!! Plus this ' match ' would be between a dead man ( Vader ) and someone dying of cancer ( Orndoff ).

[@michaelterrell5061]

@@jaybird1229 And now Mr Wonderful has passed.

[@jaybird1229]

@@michaelterrell5061 Unfortunately, yes. IMO, the best heel ever. At least he's no longer suffering.

[@OZZ___]

4:26 HE HIT THE GROUND HARD, I SLAPPED THE SHIT OUT OF HIM LMAO

[@SUPERTROOPER89]

Its time...its time...its respect for Vader time. Rest in peace big man

[@mbowlen34]

Even Vader is afraid of Meng (Haku)

[@randybarnett2308]

Meng vs Brock Lesnar ?

[@shawnreedy418]

I love Big Van , and I love Mr. Wonderful. But at the point of each of their careers at this point, Vader was bigger and stronger. Yes he performed stiff, and did a lot of bully shoots, and Van has admitted to that. But Orndorff was lucky to still be breathing. Just my opinion. Orndorff’s health was shot.

[@ninowaves4061]

Orndorff knocked the shyt out of him…everyone confirmed that. Rip to both legends

[@johnfrye1034]

Ming was no joke, I heard he once had a staring contest with the sun, and won!

[@bcgoldengamer]

Good to see Leon. Thank's Devon.

[@krlm2280]

Golden Gamer rip vader

[@wagsoman]

Many wrestlers have said that Paul Orndorff was a legit badass. Vader was no doubt tough as he showed in some of his matches over his career. you never hear about any backstage fights or outside the arena involving Vader. The stories of Paul Orndorff fighting have been confirmed by many wrestlers and he noted as one of the strongest from his era. I believe Paul Orndorff s story before he passed. Yes he had injuries that severely changed his body but a true fighter never gives up or back down from anyone. Vader was retired and he should be humble and admit he got his as s handed to him.

[@Azomorat]

I buy Leons version.

[@AndrewNewZealand]

Regardless of how honest he is, I love listening to Leon.

[@cribertot9649]

Vader's story sounds more legit than Nash and show off orndorrf

[@tomtanaka841]

Nash is a liar and he is dumb as a rock. He was in the WWF at that time, he's lying about being backstage when that happened.

[@heavyhitta6839]

Lmao Funny how Vader is the only one with this story? 🤔 Everyone else says Paul kick his AZZ! 🤣

[@TheHannibalTV]

Haku would be the most honest about the story he broke it up. A lot of people hated Vader. Penzer did say Vader wanted to continue before Haku came in.

[@runningsuperska]

Stories always get blown out of proportion.

[@jonathanhensley6141]

Yes the old wrestlers up to 1989 were jealous of Vader because he was way more talented than most of them. Jim Ross said they brought Vader into WCW because they needed physicality and toughness. WCW and WWE really had no idea of what to do with Vader especially after they brought Hogan into wcw.

[@Halbared]

I'd love you to get Haku's commentary on this incident. He's the one I'd believe above all. Vader's sounds a lot more plausible than the rest of he ones, ore than half who weren't even there.

[@mikeperry7335]

man I don't think I've heard anybody say they can take Haku which is crazy in the wrestling world were everyone bullshits just because we'll new jack said he'd hide in a bush and hit him with a cinder block but he was probably cracked out of his mind so he don't count would've loved to see Haku in his prime fight 3 random guys in a bar

[@TirthBArya]

Vader is so great... Wish I'd seen more of his matches back then.

[@Criticalthinker0515]

Rip. Vader and Rip. Paul. O.

[@Heavyweight-kh8ss]

Paul Orndorff was my grandfather's cousin (Kenneth Orndorff). I never met Paul unfortunately. By the time I was born 1983, Paul was a star and busy with wrestling. My grandfather too died from throat cancer.

[@pd9971]

His recollection of the Orndorff incident is way different than all the other wrestlers that actually witnessed the fight!

[@SovereignStatesman]

Yeah wrestlers who wanna keep their JOBS because Orndorff was a head manager. Meanwhile Meng never said any different

[@etherdetroit1977]

@@SovereignStatesman weird how their stories are still the same decades later.

[@FuuuckOffff]

He's making excuses. He let him hit him, he wasnt wearing boots. He's lying.

[@SovereignStatesman]

@@etherdetroit1977 So are urban legends.

[@SovereignStatesman]

@@FuuuckOffff Sure, because no wrestler EVER let someone hit them on purpose. You really think Bret Hart punched Vince across a room full of wrestlers? Vince SOLD it to Bret, to settle his feewings. Same here.

[@Michael-fc4ch]

When vader says you don't wanna mess with someone it's the truth.

[@cappy2282]

....what a badass. Love Vader dude should be in hall of fame...like yesterday

[@The_Drifter_13]

I believe Leon’s account of the incident. It seems much more plausible.

[@michaelmclaren1333]

Vader did have a good point. Who's boss is wearing shower shoes aka flip flops. What kind of "boss" would be wearing flip flops?

[@TrenchcoatNinja3]

R.I.P. Vader. Wrestling will not be the same without you.

[@BossChronicles]

R.I.P. Vader

[@WEHRWULF8814]

Two years gone today RIP

[@luish777]

I think Orndorff had loyalties with some of the guys they didn't want to burn him.I believe Vader's story yea he took some boots but totally beat down don't think so plus like he said Paul was hurt.Many were jealous of Vader he was stiff and he was getting paid$$.Vader was not one of the boys.

[@nantahalarat]

I believe Kevin Sullivan's version!

[@stevehalli1538]

I 100% believe Vaders story. I never liked Paul Ondorff to begin with. Rest easy Leon.

[@NYKgjl10]

Vader is the man!!

[@WartTheChipmunk]

On stone colds podcast he said Paul caught Vader with a left and dropped him and then stomped him out with flip flops on

[@robertgoss7355]

This could be true. Orndorff did have a bad arm.

[@musclemark2710]

Vader is one of my favorites!

[@lokilukman5981]

oohh.. poor leon white a.k.a big bear van vader I really miss him..😢😭 have a very sweet memories in video recording on youtube😊☺️...

[@StrongStyleNinja]

Vader’s story is more believable than Orndorff’s side.

[@rklein40]

1 major problem, not one witness backs Vader's story. There are at least 6 witnesses on youtube that where there that backs Paul's story.

[@box5bastard277]

@@rklein40 because they didn't like Vader! And in Paul's rf shoot he says they went again and "he hit me with a few shots" folk leave that part out all the time yell

[@rklein40]

@@box5bastard277 I was wrong, there are about 8-10 guys that back Paul's story. Not all wrestlers either. They all say Vader got beat. They don't all hate Vader. 1 issue though, some say sandals, some say boots.

[@satan3959]

rklien40 WERE there not WHERE there, you moron WHERE is a location like WHERE are you going? Fucking morons today

[@maxililianadamalexdyhr9700]

20 % is lying. to many is saying what happened u were an ashole to others to

[@oveidasinclair982]

Vader could have made Paul Orndorff his bitch, he could have squashed him like a bug.

[@jeffreyross71]

Orndorff kicked vaders ass wearing flip flops

[@s.mas.w]

I believe Robert Fullers version, he didn’t have a dog in the fight and was a unbiased witness

[@Picasso_305]

Pauls arm at that time was in terrible shape from continual nerve danage. Could not train much and was no longer 265 pounds.

[@tuckamojo7660]

Vader comes off very honest and genuine. I believe his side of the story

[@84slaughter]

VADER TIME!!!

[@thejoker2846]

RIP Vader 😢

[@JustinTNAWWEGuy]

I never believed Paul's story about this fight. Vader would have killed him if he wanted to

[@8kigana]

he was a very mobile athletic 100 lbs heavier than him.

[@jonnybcool2000]

I believe Vader , he didnt want to hurt Paul ... Paul use this story for years to build his ego .. RIP to both of them though , good memories

[@Chuc_9600]

"He hit the ground hard! I slapped the shit out of him"! 😂

[@scaryanima9268]

He was saying it as I scrolled past your comment.

[@johncourt6895]

I’ve always noticed that the bigger a guy is the bigger heart he has. Vader was a class act. I don’t think he really wanted to hurt anyone.

[@chad3452]

that said im not sure paul could have put the flops to vader at that point in his life

[@johndoiron9615]

It's so weird seeing him without the mask.

[@0ldFrittenfett]

I believe Vaders side. Even with both arms and without flip flops he would have stood no chance. And I've never fought anyone in my life. I'm a peaceful man. But Vader knew how to fight for real. He played football.

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

Football isn't fighting.

[@davidrichards6059]

I'm hoping that last line was sarcasm....

[@GrimeBot-io7ho]

Orndorff played football, too.

[@TutorialKing]

Interesting watching this after listening to Bischoff on the 83 weeks podcast. Mainly about Vader's release and how much guys were making at the time.

[@markmullins5822]

Rest Easy Big Man

[@1983jblack]

Oh, how Vader was misused at the end of his WCW run and his entire WWF run. He was extremely talented and had a great character and persona. I think both he and Sid Vicious (He'll always be Vicious and not Sycho Sid or Sid Justice to me) were dealt bad hands. Both of them featured prominently in the WWF Attitiude era would have been nuts. Vader v Foley, Sid v Taker, and various combos between those four would have been fantastic. Vader in HIAC would have been brutal. I could see him going up top but falling off would be another thing

[@robertcornelius3514]

Vader would be such a cool uncle to have.

[@TheHannibalTV]

Yes.

[@bigburgerstudios]

He would get on the kitchen counter and Vader bomb you through the dinner table on thanksgiving.

[@markdp1983]

Well Schiavone and others say that Vader got his ass whipped by Orndorff.

[@jonathanwarren5605]

No doubt Vader would have hurt Paul, if he would have wanted to

[@nickg2954]

R.I.P..Leon

[@jnulpi]

r.i.p leon.he was one of the agilest heavy wrestlers like yokozuna or umaga.

[@bigworm4475]

Big Van wasnt lying

[@BigPoppa23]

Good video! ✌

[@b_side8669]

Vader might’ve felt it was a big mistake to jump ship at the time but honestly would Eric have kept his word ?

[@jpayne3616]

Wtf?? Those that really loved wrestling in the 90's KNEW Vader EARNED that money. Jealous ass Flair. Vader was so fucking believable man. He damn well deserved what he was making

[@rmathew2]

Holy shit he had 6 years guaranteed left? That is hard to believe.

[@RyTrapp0]

Not when you hear about other Turner contracts - Nash & Hall famously got 'Favored Nation' clauses in their contracts, so no one that came into the organization after them could make more than them, they would receive a salary increase. INSANE

[@ericbutton222]

I believe Vader 100 % Vader was 350 pounds, orndorff 200 with a bad, thin arm.

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

Means nothing.

[@Mr05Chuck]

RIP to both of them.

[@mikeperry7335]

that arm thing must've sucked for Paul guy was jacked then that shit happend and he still wrestled for a bit with it u can see him on the early nitros and it's like he has to diffrent arms