The Basics of Tractors: Understanding 3-Point Hitch System

[@felixmarwei1230]

Great video with loud and clear explanations. I'm a new tractor owner and was trying to figure out how does the 3 point hitch drops down. The info has helped a lot

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Glad it helped. We try to help teach everyone about the products we sell and tractor basics. Thanks for watching and thanks for taking the time to comment.

[@lenwalker7393]

Thank you for the helpful explanation of three point hitch hydraulics. For someone just starting out as a compact tractor owner basic videos like this one save a lot of time trying to figure out how things work on my own.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Thanks for the comments. We are going to add more and More Basics. Even advanced users tell me they benefit from learning. Glad it helped. Keep watching

[@douavang5172]

My parents just bought a farm and a tractor with PTO/3point. This helps a lot and answered my questions my old man couldn’t. Haha. This helps the both of us. Hope all is well. Thanks

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Glad it could help. We have several Basics of Tractors videos to help learn how to use tractors and use them correctly. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comments. Makes it worthwhile to help others!

[@wade5941]

I didn't grow up around this stuff and this was a very helpful primer on the topic. Thank you.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Glad it helped we are working on more ideas for teaching Tractor Basics to help others learn how tractors works so they can use them to fulfill their needs and tasks. Thanks for watching & commenting

[@Shambala_G]

This is the clearest explanation I've seen on this - thanks from the UK 👍

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Glad we could help! Thanks for commenting and watching our videos!

[@dirtmoves5894]

Can’t agree. I’ve been grading for 30 years and have tractors with down pressure and without. If your finish grading with a MF without down pressure you’ll love it. But if you need to rip some hard ground, you’ll love the down pressure as with the New Holland. If you’re using a single shank ripper to rip deeper to loosen compacted soil for a pasture or garden that holds water too long, takes days to soak in, you’ll want the down pressure. I have never had a problem with loosing traction as you can ease up on the down pressure. On the flip side, if you’re finish grading or spinning out an area the MF without down pressure will float across the ground and not leave gouges and wind rows. Try them both before you buy. There is always something you will discover that you won’t like or that you wish for. Good luck

[@bigsmiler5101]

I'm glad you told me about Why it's Gravity Fall. I was about to make a mistake.

[@npalen]

I had an Allis 750 with hydraulic down pressure and found it to be very helpful when using a box blade. I could get the blade to cut in hard ground by applying a LITTLE down pressure to get it to bite with still enough traction to do the job.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

What is an Allis 750? That wasn't a model of Farm Tractor from Allis Chalmers. They had 7050 but it did not have hydraulic down pressure. Just like you mentioned if too much down pressure you loose traction. That is why they don't put down pressure on farm tractors.

[@npalen]

My bad. It was an Allis 720 which was a rebadged Simplicity Powermax (4020?) They had a 20HP Onan gas engine with hydrostat.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

That is Lawn & Garden Equipment not Farm Tractors.

[@DotyBirdBuilds]

Great video. I have a newer Bobcat 45 hp tractor that had a box scraper- I converted it to a pull behind grader(can be seen on my channel DotyBirdBuilds). You cleared up some questions I had and never mentioned a float position on the 3pt. which I do not think exists on these compact tractors-hence why I converted the scraper into a grader.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Since 3 Point Hitch Systems do not have down pressure the implements like box blades follow the ground contours and can float up if riding over a ridge. That is why Weight is very important in selecting the right 3 Point Implements...too light and they will just bounce and do no work. You have to match the implements to the tractor to get the best performance of both items.

[@LouisianaTractorworks]

Thanks for the info. Now I know what to look for in a disc set up which I started looking for today! LOL Perfect Timing!

[@d.a.ballou9740]

Thanks for doing these videos, they are very informative. I recently purchased a 2018 1742 Hydro and I just subscribed to your channel. Unfortunately I don't live close enough to MO to purchase from you. At least now I have a place to watch "brand specific" videos. Thanks again,

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Glad we can help. Support your local Massey Ferguson Dealer that's all we ask. And if you can share some video footage using your tractor we love to see Massey Ferguson in-action and we share videos with our customers & prospects. We can all help and share with each other. Thanks for watching and thanks for being a Massey Ferguson Owner!

[@EcclesiaOikos-HouseChurch]

My 1976 Power King mini tractor has down pressure. I can lift the rear wheels with it. Comes in handy for getting unstuck (it is 2WD).

[@VahrenbergImplement]

That's the exact reason why modern 3 point systems do not use down pressure as you lose traction when applying too much and the tires comes off the ground.

[@rickrodriguez7118]

Thanks for the video. Maybe this city boy can impress his very critical father in law.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Glad it helped.

[@sjrobson9]

Nice video. Do you by chance have any videos on draft control on say a 4700?

[@VahrenbergImplement]

We have not done a Draft Control Video but is an idea to add to out Future Video To-DO List

[@tcmits3699]

Belarus has down pressure on concrete or asphalt yes it will raise rear wheels in field while tractor is moving down pressure can be very helpful depends on the operator

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Is Belarus even still in business? I haven't seen a Belarus dealer in North America or Our Area for 30+ Years. But lifting the rear off the ground loses all traction and not very good to get work done if the tractor has no traction.

[@gingie5246]

On reason I want hydraulic down pressure is because i use a hitch mounted to the 3 point. Some trailers have little tongue weigh so they get squirrelly when backing down hills.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Trailers should be connected to the Drawbar not 3 point hitch.

[@mattshansen9814]

I'm sorry I was looking for information . Not a commercial. There was some good info

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Sorry you didn't get what you looking for we just presented the Facts of 3 Point Systems. Plus why implement weight is critical in selecting 3 point Implements. What were you looking for? We only have a little over 70 years experience in selling tractors and helping customers learn about how to use their tractors. We might be able to help answer your question.

[@williampockoski5029]

Thank you for the information

[@VahrenbergImplement]

You bet! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@Tom-hp3kw]

Nice video, not to make you wrong but my 1957 Case model 400 has down pressure. It has an external double acting hydraulic cylinder. I agree very few tractors do.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Some older models tried Dual Action Hydraulics on 3-point and it created issues with down pressure and loss of traction due to raising or taking load off the drive wheels...reducing traction and was abandoned by manufacturers. Todays modern tractors do not use down pressure on 3-point. Single Action Hydraulics to raise the implement and gravity fall to lower the implements.

[@chauvinemmons]

I guess what I'm more interested in is any ratios or length of various components in relation to each other if that's even possible due to the differences between the makes of tractor. the only thing I can think that is similar is the A-arms on the race car to maintain the wheel at the same angle in relation to the road.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

The Tractor Industry has standardize some of the dimensions of 3 point Hitches. Length from end of PTO Shaft to hitch balls (Not all but most are using same dimension), width between arms for implements (Cat 1, Cat 2, etc) Top Pin Height to Lower Lift are is getting common but has not been defined but this is more adjustable do to the top link is adjusted to match implement operation. Now it's close enough to mix match brands to work.

[@jimk14]

Thanks for the video, I have a MF1085 and the 3 point hitch arms always stay up I push the lever down and it goes right back up I have to hold the lever down for the arms to stay down if I let go of the lever the arms always go up HELP!!! I at a loss Thank you

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Is the Lever coming back up too? If so then you have friction adjustment that needs do be done to maintain the position control position of the lever. Make sure you have the Draft Lever in Position Control area of that Draft Control Segment. Draft Control is for use with Ground Engaging Implements like when plowing with a plow or chisel plow, etc. Most use Position Control for up/down control of implements. That is the easiest area to control 3 Point for raising and lowering.

[@chass53]

Down pressure on the Belarus is very handy when you are digging post holes.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Many Diggers offer hydraulic down pressure kits too. Very few tractors have Down Pressure in North America. I don't know of a Belarus Dealer not sure if they even have any left in North America.

[@ChapelHillElectric]

Hi I'm tiring to put a snow / grade blade on my three point on the MF 1739E. I have the backhoe removed. The brackets of course stay. I can't find a place to hook my stabilizers. Do you think they sacrificed my connection points for the backhoe brackets ? Where should I hook them?

[@VahrenbergImplement]

The Stabilizers go on the inside when you install the backhoe. You can see them in this video of the CB75 Backhoe when mounted on 1700E Series: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWW6n3hom6-mgcU Look at the set-up instructions for the backhoe there is instructions on how to attach the stabilizers for the t3 Point

[@efrawley55]

Doug Knew I recognized that voice - FISHING VIDEOS - mwatch a ton of yours. Always wondered what you did for a living.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Yup that was me. Been a Tractor Junkie and 3rd Generation Owner of our Families Dealership.

[@aruntikore339]

Nice sir .. but sir i want to understand front 3 point hitch,does it works in mini tractor like Solis 26hp for ploughing.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Don't know what a Solis is? We haven't sold a front 3 point hitch at our dealership.

[@briangc1972]

Great explanation. I have added weight to my box blade to improve the performance in our rocky ground. Too many people shop by price alone, but they should look at the shipping weight of what they are buying. A 170lb box blade can not work as well as a 650lb box blade. Same with ploughs, discs, rakes, planers, etc

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Glad it helped and thanks for the comments

[@user-wl6ge9gu9v]

Can't believe it - been wondering that about down pressure for years. Now I know! Thanks. Hard to figure out what Gramps didn't pass on.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Glad we could help. Got other ideas for out Basics Series to help others learn please share. Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@CountryCraziness]

Unrelated to 3 point. Does bucket curl add to a loaders lift capacity? Also, is there any change in lift capacity on new 1700M series?

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Loader Lift Capacity is based on the Boom Raise/Lower Cylinders. Bucket Dump/Curl Circuit is not included in Loader Lift Capacity Ratings. 1700M has the same Loader and Hydraulics so it will be the same as the previous 1700 Premium Series

[@ArrowItArchery]

My 3 point won't immediately go down, even with the gravity knob wide open. It goes down over time, but not fast enough to even see it dropping. Besides me about to check that the knob is not disconnected somehow, what else should I look for? thanks. 😁

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Especially on new machines it requires some weight or pushing on the three point arms will lower them. Things are new, tight and paint created friction that reduce the ability to fall. For Pre-Delivery Inspection they recommend us to us a 400# weight to test 3 point system.

[@ArrowItArchery]

Thanks for the reply. I got it working right after I made the comment. I weight 170lbs and was only standing on it. It would barely go down. I decided, while standing on it, to jump on it when it was all the way up, with the lever in the down position. When I did it, it made a pop sound and immediately went straight to the floor. I then raised the 3 point and lowered it again. Its working now. Guess if I would have hooked the brush hog to it in the first place, the weight would have solved that problem. Thanks 😁

[@brandonmaddy]

I don't know your name but dang! You sold me on a Massey and I love the Videos, I would of bought it from you but your quite a few states away!

[@VahrenbergImplement]

My name is Doug. Glad we could help and you did the right thing is buy from your Local Massey Ferguson Dealer! That way you get the level of service you deserve with Owning a Massey Ferguson! Thanks for Watching and the Comments!

[@Tifford1]

I just want to know what I need to do to get my back blade off the ground more. I'm at the highest setting hydrolic wise and the blade is maybe a 1/2" off the ground

[@VahrenbergImplement]

To get more kick or raising the implement lowest setting on tractor to the highest setting on implement will raise the implement the highest off the ground.

[@Tifford1]

@@VahrenbergImplement If I shorten the top link will the implement go higher off the ground?

[@VahrenbergImplement]

This video we did on Connecting a Rotary Cutter we show how to use the Top Link Connection and the placement of the Top Link Position on the Tractor to change how the implement come up when raising and lowering. Changing the length of the Top Length is going to Change how the Implement sits when in working position. At the 9 Minute Time Mark in this Video we discuss TopLink Adjustments: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnTch4KObbl6gKM

[@eddytune5754]

@@VahrenbergImplement You didn't answer his question...he is at the highest setting but blade is on the ground.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

He never answered if he had a Multiple Position Top Link on the Tractor or which model of tractor he is working with. The Video I shared in my response shows exactly how to change the kickup or level lift with 3 point Hitch. You adjust toplink length for operation but which mounting position for toplink determines kick-up.

[@houndsmanone4563]

Doug, Happy Independence Day. Is there an easy bolt-on electrical system you can put on MF1760M Cabbed unit to raise/lower 3 pt hitch from rear of tractor? Thanks

[@VahrenbergImplement]

I have not heard or seen any system to be able to do that on the 1700M Series Tractors. Hope you had a Great Independence Day!

[@rubbersole79]

hydraulic down pressure might be good for post hole digging.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Some Post Hole Diggers offer Hydraulic Cylinder Option for Down Pressure.

[@rylee6979]

You never heard of Top and Tilt? (which is fairly common) doesn't that allow for downward hydraulic pressure? If you have a heavy tractor, no need to buy super heavy implements if you have top and tilt.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Top & Tilt Hydraulic Cylinders do not add Down Pressure the Hydraulic Cylinders change the angle of the implement. Top Lift Cylinder Changes Front to Rear Angle of the Implement and the Tilt Cylinder Change the side to side angle (Like when trying to create slope or crown in the road want one side lower so water drain.) Does not add pressure to 3 Point System. Most important thing when buying three point implements is weight to match the tractor so it can do the task needed. If too light that just bounce around the surface and do no work.

[@rylee6979]

@@VahrenbergImplement The top cylinder is a 2 way cylinder, when I change the angle (dig-in ) of my scraper, I can certainly lift the back of my tractor off the ground.. You wouldn't call this down pressure??? An adequately heavy tractor with top and tilt doesn't need an extra heavy scraper or box.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Top Link Cylinder Changes the Angle of Cutting Edge and the Cutting Edge, Scarifiers etc dig in more creating suction. Adjusting Top Link should not raise the back of the tractor.

[@harleyguy932]

So is it normal, say when you have the blade on the ground and you try to move it up to 1 or 2 it won’t raise until you raise it almost all the way up THEN let it back down

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Depends on Tractor and Implement your trying to raise/lower.

[@harleyguy932]

@@VahrenbergImplement I noticed without any hooked up it will drop incrementally, i guess I just never paid attention to the brush hog hooks up high and like at 6 or 7 it’s bottomed out. Where if I had something different I might get lower without bottoming out. Also noticed with no weight it lifts up incrementally. So maybe it’s just a weight thing. This is my first implement so might just be me

[@VahrenbergImplement]

What model of tractor?

[@harleyguy932]

@@VahrenbergImplement 2023 Kioti Ck2620

[@VahrenbergImplement]

We sell Massey Ferguson so not sure how Kioti system works. Best thing I can recommend is to talk to your Kioti Dealer they the best resource for help. It doesn't sound right if it has position control 3-Point Hitch.

[@ameenabdullah3844]

Very helpful thank you very much

[@UncommonNews777]

Great video. Thankyou Sir.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Glad you liked it and thanks for watching!

[@frankwrogg2515]

It's still very helpful, thanks.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Glad it helped!

[@DoubleKMustangs]

Thank you for the video. I have a 1970 MF 150. I can’t see any hydraulic cylinders on the 3 point. Do you know how it lifts? Gears? Any idea how heavy they can lift like a 1 ton hay bale? Hopefully someday I can purchase a new one. Thanks again.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Internal Piston System is how it raises and lowers the 3 Point. That tractor should be able to handle a 2000# Bale.

[@DoubleKMustangs]

thank you very much

[@michaelcostello6991]

Nice explanation. thanks

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Thanks for taking the time to comment and appreciate the comments. Hope it helps!

[@doov124]

How many times does it takes for lifting 3 point hitch???

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Can you explain your question more? Not sure we understand what you are asking. "How Many Times?" Three Point goes up and down with the controls.

[@brandonmcarthur7929]

How about tilt and blade curl ?

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Hydraulic Top & Tilt Cylinders? That is a 3rd Party Option that can be added to 3 Point Lift Systems.

[@whirledpeaz1]

thanks nice video!

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Thank you too! And Thanks for Watching!

[@chauvinemmons]

Yeah I have a down pressure cylinder I got no problem with traction I'm on solid Rock with about a 30deg grade. My problem is demolishing stuff pulling rocks out battering the ground till it gives up. Occasionally I see a large flat or light spot that's shiny and you know that's solid Rock so then you let mr jackhammer batter that a while before you bend scarifier teeth tear up linkage next thing you know you actually have a decent spot with a Little help from mr jackhammer.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Standard Tractor 3 Point Design is no down pressure. Some tractor manufacturers are selling optional cylinder but it creates problem like you are doing and tearing up the implements because they can not ride up and over obstructions or in severe application force weight off the rear wheels and you loose traction. Tractors are for Farm Equipment not Construction Equipment. If your trying to tear out rock you need Construction Equipment.

[@ransAfricapublication]

More. Understanding

[@christianlacasse2937]

Hey said I watch the video I want to know if you can help me with my tractor I got a Massey Ferguson 7615 Dyna video for my three point hitch calibration and nobody wants to help me I want to know you can make a video how to do on my tractor is a 2012 Massey Ferguson

[@VahrenbergImplement]

We do not have any 7 Series Tractors in stock, just about sold out of everything we have. Calibrations are performed by a Service Department and may require EDT Electronic Diagnostic Tool to perform - many calibration require connecting to the EDT to perform. Do you have Service Manual that information would be in the Work Shop Manual you can purchase to do your own service or your local Dealer can do the calibrations for you.

[@reneejones640]

I thought that the old international tractor had down pressure

[@VahrenbergImplement]

International 400 did and one of the problems when blading it would push the rear wheels off the ground and not move the tractor any more. Some tried it but down pressure defeated the purpose as you lost traction so modern tractors rarely have down pressure.

[@davetaylor2449]

Well then why not have a locking system

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Locking System? Not sure your question. Can you explain better

[@johnguilfoyle3073]

That's great unless you want to use your hydraulics to raise the rear of the tractor.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

And what would you use Hydraulics to Raise the Tractor off the Ground?

[@joebailey4106]

My PTO isn't turning

[@VahrenbergImplement]

What Tractor Model?

[@joebailey4106]

@@VahrenbergImplement Hinomoto N329 with a electric switch for the PTO light comes on PTO will not turn

[@VahrenbergImplement]

You need to talk to a Hinomoto Dealer. Every tractor is designed differently and you need to find out how they control the PTO to operate.

[@mortsolomon4603]

Wow! Gravity down hydronic up. Got it. Now how about talking about that 3 point and how to connect it to an implement, adjust the sway and tension. A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME!

[@VahrenbergImplement]

We have done that in another video on connecting Rotary Cutter to Tractor: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnTch4KObbl6gKM

[@stuartrobertson4714]

Should be using your draft control but not explained

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Draft Control Best use is for Ground Engaging Implements. Position Control is best for implements when your wanting to control height.

[@michaelgasperik4319]

That actually did not help at all. I was looking for a video about adjusting the 3 point hitch. But thanks for explaining that gravity works.

[@VahrenbergImplement]

We did another video on Hooking a Rotary Cutter to a Compact Tractor and it has some tips on adjustments that might help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnTch4KObbl6gKM

[@jamescotton1347]

itching trailer

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Did you have a Question?

[@hoshiburra]

Can't watch it with that fisheye view. And rapid movement. Terrible! Thanks for trying

[@VahrenbergImplement]

Sorry about that. I never proclaim to be a professional movie producer but know a few things about tractors and farm equipment. Just sharing to help others. We did invest in new GoPro and I think it's eliminated the prior model fisheye.