VALORANT has a Map Pool Problem

[@ARClegend]

We are not stupid, Riot. Just put all the maps in rotation. Some people dislike certain maps, but having more maps in helps dilute how often you get those you dislike. At the very least give us back all maps for swiftplay.

[@Statvar]

What happens when they have so many maps like r6... hell nah. cant learn a single map in that million map simulator game

[@Thug3699]

@@Statvar thats what comp is for and why you cant play until level 20

[@muhammadawan967]

They are stupid. They nerf agents and do not do anything the community wants but the exact opposite.

[@rafdyprayudaakbar4055]

@@muhammadawan967 they focus too much to proscene bro thats why i fckn hate it,it reakky opposite than how riot treat LoL FCKKKKK

[@uocgimaythgconguoiyeuchethet]

@@Statvar just get good bro

[@Henry-oz8iv]

I just hate how if the map isn't in the pool you can't play it in ANY gamemode other than custom. Thats the thing I don't get with the current system.

[@lukenerdy]

God, that changed annoyed me so much. They just randomly did it. No warning or anything like those modes are CASUAL, so why can't out of rotation maps just exist there.

[@silv447]

EXACTLY, if those maps aren’t considered competitive for whatever reason that’s a problem for ranked, why would it matter in casual game modes ??? At least make it an option, I just want to play those maps in any game mode :((

[@lukenerdy]

@silv447 Facts, I had fun randomly getting fracture being like "oh funny cypher setup time" but nope because riot is like "fun? What's that?"

[@auro8236]

I think the devs seriously misjudge how long it takes people to learn maps. It can get old. Fast. Especially in a map pool of seven where two are hated and one is new and still being learned. That's around a third of your games on a bad map. Please... I beg you riot. Update the map pool more often. I don't want to wait 4-6 months just for the maps available to change slightly. Once per act... Please. It wasn't as big an issue when the maps could still be played in modes outside of the standard ones, but now the tedium is really starting to set in. It also doesn't help that they haven't recognised and embraced proper map reworks. There is no way you can call what they did to breeze and icebox "reworks". The maps feel the same. And that "feeling" is frustration on breeze and boredom on icebox. They never fixed the main issues with either map. Fundamentally, people have made it clear that they don't enjoy a map filled to the brim with long sightlines that invalidates a quarter of the roster and many of the guns. If you do, great - power to you, but from everyone I've spoke to about it its the slight lines and extreme ease of flanking on breeze that's the issue. B site Icebox is boring. There is little room for creativity with plant spots. These maps need MAJOR fixes and completely overhauled objectives, at least in my opinion. Not just adding a box here or a window there... no. Complete redesigns of the problematic parts of the maps. Breeze is especially difficult to fix because the map's entire design and point was "long sight lines". The central design point is its core issue with the community. I don't know if this is a hot take but I think the devs should consider going the full r6 university route and just permanently remove it from the pool - at least until it gets fixed. I'm just saying what I'm thinking. I love game design. But I'm not a riot dev. I don't know what's best for the game. But I can feel the problems. So talking about them can help. Players are good at identifying issues but are generally bad at solving them. Its just how it goes. But something needs to be fixed here. I love this game. I want the best for it. Thank you for reading.

[@lukenerdy]

Them putting halls back on breeze was just annoying. I loved that change and it made the map way better for me. Icebox is just boring as f and I would LOVE TO understand why they decide to add that dumb window. One of the worst changes they could have made. THEM REMOVING the out of rotation maps out of swift and etc was also annoying. LIKE they are casual modes. that's why I enjoyed playing swift because at least there was a chance I got pearl and fracture but nope not anymore.

[@mijkphlt]

I feel that at the start it was a thought out decision but as time went on it’s to pressure people to buy skins in order to get any fun from the game

[@akashgiri6629]

Riot needs to hear this

[@EmiWi]

Long read, but overall spot on. It's a shame that Breeze's whole point was long sightlines, but I was able to bear with it and appreciate the idea when they fixed the halls problem. Siege and Valorant are always similar to me, it seems that Valorant seems to be suffering from the same problems as Siege and happens to make the wrong choices on what to do as if they didn't learn from the downfall of Siege. Though I agree that there's one good choice they can do which is take the route of completely removing a map from the pool until it is completely fixed, or never bring it back if it's unfixable. It's like Riot can't admit their mistakes and just remove a bad map, even when they make small "changes" and force the map down people's throats. They've removed certain characters in one of their other games iirc, so I don't get why they can't just own up their screw-up and just delete icebox and breeze (or revert the change that ruined the map).

[@lukenerdy]

@EmiWi riot just seems to like to be stubborn, I mean, idk if this is in comparison, but I mean, there was the chamber meta for what? A year before, they finally nerfed him to the ground. Some good points, though. Idk what it is with riot wanting to treat val like garbage tbh. Since idk how their other games are doing but like you would think val would be a bigger priority for them

[@eexploreon7408]

Ideal map pool = No breeze. PLEASE.

[@EwsefGames]

And sunset

[@prashantsinghal446]

@@EwsefGames sunset >>>>>> breeeze they wont remove 2 just remove breeze

[@Kiqedd]

Or Just Close The Halls Tbh For Me

[@EwsefGames]

@@prashantsinghal446 i do agree sunset is better but still both suck, atleast in my opinion

[@prashantsinghal446]

@@EwsefGames yeah agreed but i feel if sunset gets some map changes it may become good but breeze has been changed so many times still TRASH

[@TheCookieCook]

Okay so here’s a few ideas that weren’t mentioned in the video that I have: 1. Remove Breeze PERMANENTLY. I know some people like Breeze, but that map is a genuine lost cause because the large size just doesn’t leave any room for variety, which goes against Valorants game design philosophy. It should still be playable in certain game modes, and I think it actually works way better as a deathmatch map, so removing isn’t really going to hurt anything 2. Since we’re getting 11 maps, Riot can expand the map pool size to 11. Why? Well it’s actually fairly simple. When choosing to ban maps in pro, just allow each team to ban 3 maps instead of just 1. That way, pros get a better experience and so do we! 3. Switch up the ques faster. Even the pros gotta agree, 7 maps is boring to watch. There’s no reason for riot to gatekeep their maps for the sake of marketing. It’s killing their game. And everyone can at least agree that Ascent has been in too long and Haven should’ve never left.

[@niketton9219]

i agree with 1 and 2 but lmao they can't just remove a map permanently like that

[@Ana-zm3te]

yea it doesnt allow agents like omen, brim, astra or anything like phoenix breach deadlock. if you dont pick viper, they will report you. no variety at all

[@x3m9x]

New players will get fucked if 2 is implemented getting into the game with 11 maps to learn feels like R6 all over again (i know its not as worse but you get my point). It would marginally increase the skill floor of the game. In the long run however, i kinda like it. We need some sort of struggle before tasting success.

[@TheCookieCook]

@@x3m9x are you joking? Do you know how many games have to be played before you even reach lvl 20? After 100 matches, you’re telling me that a new player wouldn’t get at least a handful of maps down? That doesn’t really make any sense as an argument. Maybe if there were 25 maps, but 11? Na. Besides, if the map pool stay 11 then it doesn’t affect the community as much if 3 maps are out or 6 maps are out because there’s still variety

[@x3m9x]

@@TheCookieCook and those 100 matches does not mean 10 games on each map. Most likely its between 4 to 14 games on each maps depending on the mix. You highly overestimate the ability of the average player to understand maps as well. Theres a reason some diamonds think they know how to play the game but in the end are still shit cuz they are carried by their above average aim. Even if the two points I said before is invalid, my point still stands either way. It will increase the skill floor since new players need to learn 11 maps instead of 7

[@shiel1]

i hate this, i want every map at the same time

[@Dennis-ns1yx]

Nah, im good with no breeze, thanks

[@tommyvercetti3736]

​@@Dennis-ns1yx Lol

[@emosti9652]

I didn't even realize until now that when I most enjoyed Valorant it was when the pool was literally every map except breeze and icebox I mean I knew I disliked the maps but I didn't realize they were the only maps not in the pool.

[@mythlessrwf]

My personal solution would be to add back all maps but in small groups players can choose from. Basically, separate all maps into almost evenly-distributed groups both popularity-wise and feature-wise. ARBITRARILY, let’s say Group 1 has Ascent, Bind, Breeze, Haven, Sunset / Group 2 has Split, Fracture, Lotus, Icebox, Pearl. Players can queue up between these two groups-there’s still a randomness to the maps you pick but at least you can control it to an extent. By implementing this system, it’ll also justify adding back all maps to the unrated queue. Periodically 1 or 2 maps in these groups can be switched/swapped to make things feel a little more fresh. Of course people will still have preferences and probably spam just one map group, but it’ll still be hard to consistently abuse ranked by playing your best map. Perhaps some specific maps could become permanent to a group-like Group 1 always having Ascent and Group 2 having Split for example. Or one map could be in both groups (especially in the case of when Valorant’s total map count is an odd number). Alternatively: these groups could switch availabilities between each other daily or something. To combat the players who would actively avoid a group, give them an incentive to play that group if they haven’t queued up in it for enough games. Bonus RR for the first game that day maybe? As Valorant introduces more maps, they could eventually create new groups. Perhaps when we reach 7 maps each group, they could break them up into 3 Groups of smaller pools, etc etc.

[@HanzhiZhang-mf6oc]

I agree with this idea. But I guess Riot is too lazy to do this.

[@redrazor7903]

Ideal map pool: Haven Ascent Split Bind Fracture Lotus Pearl (but it needs changes) Icebox and Breeze are just terrible, they fixed breeze feeling impossible to defend, then reverted that change and icebox has problems on its bombsites, something they didn't even touch in the changes. Sunset is like alright but the map feels pretty bad to try and clear and explore some of the areas (A main, Mid, B site). Also want to mention pearl is my favourite map, I find everything about it Mid and A site fun as hell, but something needs to change with B long.

[@diogoferreira7427]

Just trade Ascent for Icebox, how can people still play that map? It's never been out of rotation and it's just boring

[@Ploxxery]

this was the exact map pool back in april 2023-september 2023. It truly was great and fun to play with

[@devlxd]

@@diogoferreira7427 nah man i would take ascent over icebox any day. icebox is honestly the worst map imo. even worse than breeze

[@redrazor7903]

@@Ploxxery You know what, I didn't even realise that but you are so right lol. Truly was an amazing map pool and I miss it so much, I accidentally made it.

[@redrazor7903]

@@diogoferreira7427 Icebox is just a horribly designed map. Attack boils down to "Lets just 5 man an area and call it a day." and its super effective because the defenders have barely any positions to play. Then you just play retake post plant molly simulator and it is so boring. Ascent has strategic depth, even if its old and needs some minor updates, its leagues better then Icebox.

[@heinzmonster]

Having a map ban feature like pro play would be an interesting idea. You can pick 1/2 maps you don't want to see and your queue would deprioritise those maps. Then if it's clear that one map is getting disproportionately banned then Riot have a very good idea on which maps are a problem for the playerbase

[@dinglesseful]

why do i lowkey miss fracture 🥺

[@KWCHope]

I've always been made fun of for it, but fracture is literally my favorite map...

[@Limicky]

@@KWCHope no

[@nibras69]

because the current map pool is so ass that we miss fracture

[@gooselover69420]

i dont even play the game no more but i also miss fracture

[@wt5123]

on god.

[@COCONUT-DRAKE]

I completely agree considering how often they release agents they should just not have a map pool and any map is on the table like currently when I que I feel like 90% of the time I’m either on Breeze or Icebox and I’m so over it

[@gxalcremieshiny4229]

It's literally becoming like Splatoon, and that game's fanbase is also raging over map pool rotations atleast those change every couple hours I wanna play on Fracture, Haven and Pearl again, damnit!

[@snazzydaddy1]

why not just not have a map pool? Add an option where you can filter out / in maps that you queue into so that if you love icebox, you can play it - meanwhile if you hate icebox, you can blacklist it. There doesnt really need to be a map pool at all.

[@teoriskai]

I could see few possibilities to solve this issue and to please player base. 1. Make it 9 map pool and increase every 2 years. It can get out of hand fast with huge map pool, but it will be filled with same old maps and most of player base will know them. For new players there can be additional map tutorials to learn it, if necessary. 2. Separate VCT+Premier from casual gaming in which there would be two pools of 5 maps that get randomised every day (with an option to play all 10 maps). There might be days where one side of map pool would be all bad, which might increase times to queue, but it's the same thing like with ping - if you want only specific servers, your wait time is increased. You can decrease it by marking all servers though. And this system even better for new players - they can chose pool that includes more familiar maps and let them learn new maps slowly. 3. Similar to second option, but with a Rioty twist of putting most communities favorite maps into different pools (to make people play both pools) and changing pools only once per act.

[@AnmolSingh-2911]

Riot devs are deaf, I agree word to word

[@paniagua._d]

dude i havent played valorant in months as a break and came back recently thinking i was gonna queue haven or sum and it never came up i didnt even know there was a new rotation and i was pissed

[@Wabinator]

Heres the breeze strat: Bring harbor. Start of round E and C on to site, drop Q and plant in there. You either win fast or lose fast so you can get out of there fast.

[@hyato64]

TBH, I think that Riot has a map design problem and not a map rotation problem. I really think that most maps are bellow average comparing with cs maps or community maps, that is why we start "hating it" so fast and we can't stand playing them after 6 months - specially if you are a controller on breeze... is so boring, every time I must do the same smokes. Anyway, I do remember one guy making a video YEARS ago talking about these problems at alpha. It's amazing how the points that he criticized it's still relevant to this day. The channel name was exaltedjoss27

[@krish4043]

even i though i hated fracture, i kinda miss it. but i miss pearl the most it was a good map afterall

[@gxalcremieshiny4229]

Perhaps we've treated them too harshly...

[@professorcube7631]

I really like this type of long form content. Do more Kanga!

[@juanchi6374]

riot: "we know how important it is to play with your friends, so we have decided to remove the recent rank restriction, so you as a plat can play and get boosted by your ascendant friends, cause it´s just a game, you should have fun" also riot: "we want players to play the 7 shittiest maps in the pool for a year, cause we want them to learn and master them"

[@Abobrin-nk2bc]

I think a map ban system like R6( 3 random maps to vote per game), would be a better option.

[@m.s.karthik8169]

queue times will increase alot, its the same problem r6 faced

[@mrl1980]

@@m.s.karthik8169 How exactly does making a map ban system increase queue time

[@ProsamGaming]

​@@mrl1980you have to lime give 1-2 minutes for voting

[@ProsamGaming]

I always had the best solution but no one heard the solution is that make all maps available and introduce map selection as for no if we have 10 maps then we will at least have to select 7-8 maps for starting the queue to max in this way you can easily un-select the maps you hate

[@mrl1980]

@@ProsamGaming lmao if you think the extra 1-2 minutes of a game are gonna kill queue times, you're cooked

[@pelleban]

I hated Breeze and icebox so I learned viper with lineups cause its her strongest maps this rotation. Not only are these 2 maps still in rotation, Riot decided to par this with killing vipers abilities too.

[@thegreatwal1224]

So true. I have some new friends that are just getting into Valorant and they never say “bro idk this map” it’s always “bro idk what these abilities are doing to me”. Learning maps is not that hard for new players and it is definitely easier than learning abilities.

[@joossof1]

Riot could make a system where you have to pick 7 maps but you can pick anyone of them Like you can pick ascent,haven,lotus,sunset,fracture,pearl,icebox Which won't affect queue time that much So you cant master one map and climb your way up only on that map But also to make it easier for newer player to learn the map kinda as they could lock those map for like a week and learn them then they could learn the other map after Want to hear what you guys think but that was just my opinion

[@Li_Quid8]

I say they should just create another regular ranking system where all maps are available w banning system just. It kills the whole vibe when u keep getting the same map u hate.

[@Apthealer]

Well we are the ones supporting a game whose devs don't give a shit about us

[@Tigersoulification]

My friend. The problem are not the devs, surely are the people in suits.

[@Actoos]

We should all stage a coup, like no one plays valorant for a week or smthn

[@akashgiri6629]

we are their only source of earning and they don't give a shit about us

[@uSkizzik]

@@Actoos Player counts don't matter if people are still paying for skins

[@Mugetsu786]

@@Actoos STOP BUYING SKINS

[@louay_t605]

Imagine a gamemod where the map changes to another map randomly every few rounds or something

[@itsAshey]

there will be so many issues with it, because the low rank players don't have good PC, so loading map takes the most time, and doing that every few rounds would be horrible! tho good idea, would be really fun to play

[@m.u.fgaming8825]

Why do people forget that more than 50 percent gamers have below average PC And some of them have lowest PC possible that can barely run valorant

[@curlyhole8861]

my laptop gonna bust. good idea tho

[@uSkizzik]

​@@itsAshey Preload the next map a round or two before switching

[@branBRippin]

@@uSkizzik preloading a map means lagging during the round

[@Isoru48]

Make a system that allow you to select any 7 maps that you want to play

[@Kukkizu]

Ideal map pool: Haven Split Bind Ascent Pearl Fracture Lotus (Yes i played since beta and love the old maps😂)

[@boomybeats7947]

I agree but I would replace Lotus with Pearl

[@Kukkizu]

@@boomybeats7947 pearl already on there ;-;

[@wasdwastaken]

bro took a sponsorship from a boosting website💀

[@renzviloria6954]

True😂 i thought it was casual randoms

[@akashgiri6629]

Atleast he earned money from that unlike you

[@wasdwastaken]

@@akashgiri6629 wdym unlike me

[@Exploxs]

@@akashgiri6629 your comment doesnt make sense mf, tf u on about

[@Exploxs]

@@akashgiri6629 Bro is on the youtubers side 💀

[@SJJ_TheShadow]

We want Pearl to be back

[@xotrilogy]

we?

[@joejoe5081]

@@xotrilogyI was about to say the same and then realized icebox and breeze are worse

[@EmiWi]

@@joejoe5081 Definitely, you don't know bad maps until you look at Icebox and Breeze, only then did you realise that the other maps were simply mediocre, but still playable.

[@nagato8455]

Who we?

[@heinzmonster]

Love a 1 site map

[@KabalidawwGaming]

Bruh the question is why did they remove HAVEN PEARL FRACTURE from casual game mods ffs

[@gabinjaa]

I hate how they know that we don’t like the new maps yet we are forced to play them.

[@h4rsh905]

Ideal map pool will be voting system for maps or put all the maps

[@Qubold]

I started playing at season 6, I gernerally like the game... but if the map pool isn't changing at all next season, Im going to skip this one.

[@ItsMe-rl7dt]

They should really make a map pick like CS, just put all the map together and let the player decide which map they want to play. But maybe only allowed to ban 3 maps

[@babusseus1105]

I gpartially understand why Riot wants to only have seven maps in rotation, as it gets difficult to have prep for all of them. However I do not understand why they want to keep the same rotation for 6 months straight! If they rotate out one map at a time at that rate, either Fracture, Pearl or Haven will be gone for more than year (!!!) Please increase the total number of maps in rotation OR increase the rate at which they get rotated! A MINIMUM of once per act! Edit: The voting and ban system is a really great idea. I simply don't see the current system having longetivity.

[@schino]

"we don't want to increase queue times" = "we want players to dodge and stop playing our game when they roll a bad map to ruin their experience and hope our playerbase doesn't drop drastically"

[@DisSabot]

Separating the pro/Premier map pool and the ranked map pool is definitely one way to go. Almost no one cares about highly synchronised strategies in ranked. Even if Riot insists that the ranked map pool stays the same as the pro/Premier map pool, making all other gamemodes the same map pool is just plain stupid. Also, since the teaser card for the next map is in this act, I do believe that the new map will be released next act, i.e. Episode 8 Act 3. Shanghai finals is on June 10, and there is enough time for the new map to be released the following week with the final patch of E8A3 before Episode 9 starts in late June or early July

[@JWStreeter]

Lotus is seriously one of the worst maps I've ever played in any FPS. Sunset is pretty bad too. I actually loved Icebox, Fracture and Breeze when they came out, but I'm admitedly a bit sick of Breeze by now. The map design in Split, Ascent, Bind, and Haven are infinitely better than the newer maps. And worse, now I really miss Fracture and Haven too.

[@binling538]

Ideal Map Pool: Ascent Haven Icebox Fracture Bind Pearl Split

[@lukenerdy]

Riot needs to make it so pro and casual/comp maps are different. If they like their system, which I do agree works well, then just make it so all map pools exist within the main game. At this point, them only having 7 at a time is just not it. If a game like overwatch can have every map available (yes, I know it's different modes) but them having over like 25 maps AT ONCE, and no one seems to complain about it affecting new players. Map pool just needs some change rn please

[@firework8140]

Its a completely different game than OW. You can get away with having all maps because OW are more fastpaced so positioning has less importance. Val is angle holding simulator, so having all maps at once gives you less chance to master a map

[@lukenerdy]

@@firework8140 That's fair, but my main point is that how overwatch player never seem to complain about learning the maps. Yes the game is different but overwatch has so much more and people don't complain.

[@TheReal_FishFins]

There are still lineups in OW .

[@florianfuchs3016]

They are so much focused on the competitive side and that’s understandable and then they say not too many maps to learn for new players at this point they just contradict their own words. In my opinion the main issue is that they want to keep things and don’t change much at all and that’s why people are mad, like after 3 months just 2 small agent changes that’s just not enough

[@feather595]

My Mappooldream: Lotus, Fracture, Pearl, Icebox, Haven Also okay : When adding Ascent NOT OKAY: BREEZE, Bind, Sunset

[@sanalsinyal2697]

there should be a new game mode that has all the maps. with that they can put the maps that are liked to the 7 map pool and change the others to make it better. or maybe 9 map pool when there is more maps but it also has problems

[@lucyp6991]

i am so tired of this map pool, i dont even play competitive and i hate this limited map pool, i love playing swifts and spike rushes with my friends after work, but lately its such a slog. ive played less than half the hours i normally do since this map pool started, and this pretty much confirms to me that id rather just not play until they change the map pool.

[@jujudeer]

Changes I'd make to the current map pool: Icebox, Breeze and Ascent out, Pearl, Haven and Fracture back in. I don't hate Ascent but it's quite stale and while Fracture isn't necessarily my favourite map, I don't mind seeing it return for the sake of variety. And changes to the system: Have the map pool for casual players rotate faster, maybe change it like every 2 months so that you can still get some decent time with one map pool, but also don't make it feel too stale.

[@bowser2lux]

How about a 7 map pick system, you MUST pick 7 maps that you want to play, instead of you only being able to choose a single map for example. I think that would keep the queue time short, and you could still play on maps that you like or just find okay.

[@lunar4614]

ideal map pool: Ascent Bind Fracture Haven Split (The rest idk) Icebox Pearl I dont like sunset and breeze, lotus is alright, could of been swapped for pearl or icebox in my 7 map pool but yk

[@trsiam7779]

7:00 THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP OH MY GOD

[@IOSARBX]

Kanga - VALORANT, You're the best! I just had to subscribe!

[@ZZZ-Wyvern]

The ideal solution would be to rotate out a few maps every month or so, keep the game fresh and also, like many I would assume, will start apreciating some more hated maps when they are in and out of rotation. I never really liked Breeze, but when it came back with a rework after like 4 or so months, it felt refreshing to play on it again. Also if I remember correctly all the maps are still playable in spike rush, unless they changed that while I wasn't around.

[@malayshikharsoni2826]

💡Solution: Let the players choose one of the 2 presets of map just before matchmaking 1st preset includes 7 maps as per the rotations 2nd has all the exisiting maps in the game

[@akashgiri6629]

Why change the map pool when you can easily add all maps?

[@TheReal_FishFins]

Counter-Strike has more maps than you can count too. They allow you to choose what you want to que for competitively, or effectively play any map you want with COMMUNITY servers.

[@alexleonmridul]

I don't think Valorant can ever compete with CS2 as CS2 has map selection and community servers. Heck even if you don't want to play 5v5, you can go to surfing. It's like there are so many games in CS. And in Val we don't even have a replay system.

[@Agenthmm_1]

Permanently remove Breeze and icebox Temporary remove Bind Bring back Haven, Pearl, and Fracutre In 5 stacks let each team vote to remove one map before every game

[@Agenthmm_1]

Also Rotate maps every act and keep on adding maps into the pool until they reach 10 in the rotation

[@_Iceey]

I don’t think a map voting system should be a thing for gamemodes like comp and maybe unrated but for spike rush or even just its own gamemode it would be nice to just be able to choose what map to play on. Maybe make a gamemode that is basically first to 9 points and a slightly altered economy and let us choose the maps so that way if there is a map we want to practice we can do it against real players

[@miroslavpralica251]

I want to come back to this game so hard because all other games suck, but having HAVEN, PEARL, FRACTURE out and having Breeze and Icebox in rotation in a video game that can get frustrating with many more factors(toxic teammates, long games, etc), being forced to play a map pool that is so bad makes this game so so so less enjoyable.

[@ciuuin4098]

I get them wanting to streamline ranked with pro play, so I'm fine with keeping only the maps in rotation for pro play in competitive valorant.... IF they would make all the maps available in the casual modes (unrated, swiftplay, etc). that way people who play for fun and want more variety in map selection at least have the option to play with that variety. honestly it totally escapes me why unrated and swiftplay also have to follow the pro map rotation...

[@NX_TEK.2]

I dont know why nobody talks about the obvious answer for casual players... just make two queues that can be enabled and disabled depending on choice, not even a vote system for individual maps. if riot's so adamant about keeping the 7 maps in comp queue, add a checkbox in every casual gamemode that isnt comp and deathmatch so that you can enable whether you want competiive and uncompettive maps in your queue. literally just lump all of those "uncompetitive" maps into one queue and let players tick the box so it doesnt clog queue times, just giving players the option to play and try the other out of rotation maps AT ALL in unrated would satiate people for the most part.

[@thecrispyacorn]

exactly, not only will more people be on there allowing queue times to still be fast, but it wont be like you're selecting individual maps like in CS

[@ExplodingMarathons]

Riot should do like Rainbox Six Siege where each match, each team vote to ban 1 of 3 random maps, if they ban the same map it randomizes between the 2 remaining. If the teams ban 2 of the maps the remaining map is chosen. This counters the answer Riot gave on why they don't want players to only select maps they want to play. It is perfect and I don't understand why Riot hasn't implemented this yet.

[@youssef_esmaala]

It's crazy to think that riot says we give players random maps to play with even tho there are some new players who never played in Fracture and Pearl smh

[@Inferdesu]

No breeze, no fracture, no icebox preferably no pearl and sunset (optional) and life would be a dream

[@SayHiRoyal]

"half off your first teammate" nahhh my man is supporting boosting services now but sure keep talking about people being frustrated with ranked. create a problem sell the solution right?

[@random1237]

yep he's a hypocrite

[@Madcheese22]

They need to let the other maps back into casual game modes like swiftplay. The staleness is compounded when you don't ever see the other maps at all anymore

[@AquaficMC]

i think they should just put all the maps in and let you queue whatever you want,this would create an issue with 5 stacks who just only queue one map and get insanely good at it so that people with more variety in their picks, something that could avoid this though (and also fix the issue of long queue times of less popular maps) is to put a limit on how many times you can queue each map within a specific amount of time/games, for example you can only queue 1 ascent game before having to play at least 2 games on other maps before you are allowed to queue ascent again.

[@DerpyCow56]

Keeping the same map pool for THREE ACTS IN A ROW is such an obviously bad decision, I'm really not sure what made Rito think that was a good idea 😭 I was already tired of the map pool by halfway through the current act, and was looking forward to seeing some of my favorite maps returning to the game in the coming act Guess not... D:

[@dynamo0098]

My ideal change is to add 2 more maps into the pool and allow a map ban for each party. It's probably unlikely that queue times will be too negatively affected as parties will only get one map ban and matchmaking just needs to match players together so that there is at least 1 map that isn't banned. Although the issue of having a set number of maps not scaling with the growing map roster, it's still much better than what we have right now. Also please add all maps back to non-comp gamemodes.

[@perezthereza33]

Either they do map selection like CS2 and then breeze will never be played or do what R6 does and make a choice of 5 maps, pick 1 for each team to ban, then randomize which map is picked from those last 3

[@ipressdatofu]

They should just copy CS's Premier and ranked system. Let us pick the maps we queue in standard ranked, and then have map pick + ban with the Pro rotation maps in a more serious competitive mode. This would also address the issue of people trolling in competitive.

[@foxy4111]

Okay imagine that there are 10 maps in the pool. There is a chance that you will only play on like 7 out of 10 constantly and suddenly you have to play comp on a map that you havent played for long time and you have no idea what's going on. So adding all maps to the pool isnt the best option. However CS system is the best and I already wait 2 minutes or even more so the match can be found, so adding CS system wouldnt change much in waiting time. And I think everyone can easily wait a bit more and nothing would happen 😅

[@Kedas-is2gi]

i don't even know why there is a map pool in the first place, I think Riot should make it like Overwatch 2, there is no map pool, u can get maps u don't like but there's more chance that you'll get something u like

[@HoaxBanana]

The map rotation is fine and necessary. It is unlucky that we have a mappool where a lot of unliked maps are live at the same time. I think the real mistake from Riot is to move away map and agent changes from act changes. Act changes are relatable to every player while not everyone follows VCT. Go back to the old system where with the beginning of an act comes a new agent or map. If there is no agent or map ready just rotate the mappool. Players get used to candy quick, now that they took it away the kids complain. That was to be expected. Regarding the maps there is just not much that has changed in Breeze and Icebox. As others have said they didn't change the core problems on these maps and adding some boxes here and there won't change that. Both maps are designed to favor exactly two strats. Viperwall, go A or B. It is just really boring to play them. Icebox B site has so much wasted potential.

[@Vanessinha91Pucca]

I wish either Swift Play, Spike Rush and Unrated had all maps or we could pick and choose the ones we wish to discard in these modes

[@thetrueoddball]

my ideal map pool would be -Ascent -Haven -Bind -Fracture -Lotus -Sunset (with updated B-site) -tossup between Pearl and the new map if it's good

[@TeRaBiteh]

I think we shoud keep the 7 maps rotation for premier and pro but after every masters take 1 or 2 out and put 1 or 2 back in to keep fresh but not change to much and then for normal play (comp, unrat, swift) get all the maps in rotation but at the beginning of the match (before agent select) let everyone (so 5 from your team and the enemy 5) vote on 1 map they like then the map gets picked with the most votes or random map with most votes get selected (if there are 2 maps with 3 votes and the rest have les 1 of those 2 gets pickt)

[@TeRaBiteh]

This wont increase que time couse everyone still ques together and itll make it so everyone had a say in witch map they like to play

[@bowser2lux]

As long as the pro scene is happy as it is, Rito is happy too

[@helina1556]

Map selection que is the best idea imo. The least popular map should just get reworked or something, since it speaks volumes on what maps people actually dislike the most. AND YOU CAN STILL QUE MORE THAN 1 MAP AT THE TIME IF THE QUE TAKES TOO LONG.

[@UrScottishBrother]

I think what me and a lot of other people are feeling right now is the game feeling stale. Even thought I'm not a fan of some of the maps I still like to play them so I'm not constantly stuck playing the same ones over and over. So far this whole episode has felt very empty with the first Act only having the outlaw being added, then Clove releasing halfway through the second act and now nothing with the third act of this episode. I have always felt that the map pool has been lacking since the actual quantity of maps in the game is very low, especially compared to other games like R6 and Overwatch (of course those games have been running much longer) but it never made sense to me that Riot would keep maps out of the map pool when they were not going to change them. People have also been feeling this more since they made the map pool also apply to swiftplay and spike rush too, it gets boring playing the same maps especially when you go 2 or 3 games on the exact same one in a row. I'm not sure why they haven't been listening to the community, it seems weird.

[@dianarocha8537]

im genuinely going crazy, I NEED NEW MAPS PLEASE IM BEGGING

[@travissutta]

I dont care about which maps goes or comes. Its just that valorant makes me play the same map i play 2 matches before which makes it boring. I try to dodge those games but i dont want a penalty. Riot should just add Pearl and Fracture just to increase the number of maps in the map pool. 7 months for map rework i think they'll add another site in those maps😂

[@CR0WYT]

I think part of the issue comes from the gamers themselves. I’ve noticed that a lot of people in games like Valorant tend to play their comfort agent over what the team actually needs, which makes certain maps unplayable for those specific people. If more people would just take the time to figure out what works and experiment with agents and compositions out of their comfort zone, the game would be much more enjoyable.

[@JackoBanon1]

As a Viper main I actually like playing Icebox and Breeze but those maps still have a lot of problems even though some of the changes improved them a lot. The only map I really despise and want to be gone forever is Split. But with Haven and Pearl as my most favorite maps gone this act feels as if something is really missing. I also liked Fracture even though it wasn't my most favorite map. All in all I don't really like the current map pool.

[@XueHuePiaoPiao]

3/3 of my favorite maps out of pool, literally went to cs and i aint comin back

[@alexleonmridul]

SAME

[@leukermusic]

Pearl and fracture are my 2 favourite maps, AND THEY WONT COME BACK😢 They are gone for sooo long... Solution: remove breeze from the existing maps, not even out of rotation, just completely Solution2.0: make the players vote each month which maps they want to rotate (minimum of 2 maps each rotation)

[@IDK-zl2se]

They should do a map voting system like how it was with agents in replication- Every player picks either the same map or a different one then it is randomly chosen out of that pool

[@EastStormDragon]

ngl i miss pearl fracture and haven :') they could at least have the maps available in casual modes lol..if they want to keep the restricted map pool for ranked

[@corniun1115]

Before I watch the video: I am still waiting for Pearl to come back. The map made me have so much FUN in Valorant and I can't believe it's still gone. That's literally the reason why I clicked on the video and yes. I am beyond terrified that they might not bring it back next episode either. Its gone for what now? A year?

[@circclegd6710]

I'm obligated to like Icebox because winter scenery just hits the spot for me, but goddamn if it doesn't get boring after almost a year

[@rdx2446]

I think they should separate the comp map pool from the pros scene and make the map pool in Premiere same as the pro scene and we need a replay system cuz its going to be pretty similar to the observer system which means that they have the base for everything

[@august.7654]

one of the reason why i like valorant because of the map! just bring it back all like wheres the fun??????? why its limited? Just put all the maps in rotation. riot really messed this up

[@jrmyg1621]

Looking at the map pool from recent episodes and acts, i think they will remove two maps either Lotus, Bind, or Split and replace them with the new map, and either Pearl or Fracture.

[@willowtr3e]

They should have every map and have a map pick system like csgo... however you have to choose 7 maps. Basically, you're deciding what 3 or more maps you don't want to play. And to prevent queue time problems they could make it, so you still get the maps that you deselected after like a 5-minute queue.

[@R4mididit]

why not make big map rotations, so 2-3 maps changed. So take breeze icebox and ascent out, first two are boring af and ascent has been for the game so long so why not. And bring back Haven Pearl Fracture. It will be so better.

[@bins1]

I think the map pool should be changed every act to avoid stagnation. I feel like players are being annoyed and pressed by Sunset and Lotus because players have been playing the map for almost half a year now and it can get really frustrating to play the same thing over and over again. Another suggestion would be a community vote. Although worst case scenario, a hated map would be dead for months. Of course, take these suggestions with a grain of salt because its just my opinion how Riot can fix this horrible system.

[@rone4ever519]

basically the best option is to have all the maps in competitive but in tournament have a 7 maps rotation only there like the rotation change after each split of tournament

[@thomascarson4677]

If anything Accent is going to get removed while haven will come back. So i could see them taking out lotus breeze and icebox for pearl fracture and the new map. It would be really weird for riot to take out split once again ngl. Split is in a good spot along with a lot of the OG maps. I'm still wondering why riot doesn't have a map pick ban system or doesn't do a map selection. Pick ban should be implanted for Primer playoffs

[@funnylesgo]

I hate this map pool, I've started to dodge and use different accounts for the first time since you also get pretty toxic teammates, I would say it's the first time that i feel matchmaking is unplayable

[@spookey3114]

ditch fracture, icebox, and breeze. in ranked, the minigame everytime ends up being “who can die less in X main and who has the better lurking duelist?”, while the other maps feel like they have individual impact imo

[@JM2205s]

I think, instead of selecting specific maps to play They should make map groups Groups of 3 or 4 maps And rotate the maps in the group according to the player count on those Like put 1 more played map with 2 other less played map and rotate the most played map to other group in each version Doing this will maintain the queue times in each group