Vampire: the Masquerade - Clan Tzimisce Culture (Lore)

[@acerba]

Tzimisce are hands down my favorite clan. I feel like they get a bad rep because people (including in setting shovelheads) don't appreciate the hidden lesson of metamorphosis: to become a butterfly, one must earnestly be a caterpillar.

[@jamesisaacson6379]

@acerba so how would you play them likewise give examples like examples of whole callplera and butterfly thing how you go about it?

[@BloodDragon-rp4xc]

​@@jamesisaacson6379i think you are being too literal about what they said

[@harrisonwyckoff9083]

I was waiting for this video, so I could learn how to pronounce Tzimisce

[@ThePrimogen]

Haha, don't be too sure I'm saying it right though, I've heard it pronounced a lot more ways.

[@Colorcrayons]

In the sabbat sourcebook circa 2nd ed, they phonetically pronounce it as "Zhim-ee-see or say". From my own hungarian background, the wordwould be pronounced by magyar speakers as "Zhim-uh-say". The pronunciation spoken in the video seems to be from someone whose native tongue is latin based, like italian or spanish, so that filter causes it to become abberant. For precision, say the word "jim", but replace the hard 'j' with an "sh" sound, while pressing a 'z' sound right before that. "Zhim". The next syllable is easy. Just a soft "uh". The ended with a slightly inflected "say". Pronouncing the last syllable "see" isnt unforgivable, but "say" is closer to correct native tonality.

[@Sarcastic_Sophist]

Just want to thank you for mentioning whom the tzimisce like to embrace. I've been looking for awhile but never got a concrete answer (which makes building character concepts tough).

[@ThePrimogen]

No worries! It's kind of buried in the clan book and it's so full of other stuff it's easy to miss. I really recommend the Revised Edition Clan Book (and the Guide to the Sabbat) if you're looking for more inspo! :D

[@Sarcastic_Sophist]

@@ThePrimogen It's more for fun as finding a v20 game seems like a Herculean task in itself. My concept was for more of spiritual tzimisce who was a shovel head and his first victim was another unfortunate soul who he unwittingly diablerized.

[@ThePrimogen]

Yeah finding games can be a hassle. I like the character though, have you checked out the LFG subreddit? Easier to find group as a Storyteller though...

[@Sarcastic_Sophist]

@@ThePrimogen looked around a bit, but I'm in no rush. I still enjoy the exercise of making characters.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

@@ThePrimogen dark elder meet these guys what happens

[@Duskwalker68]

This was very interesting! I think Tzimisce have the most unique culture and place in the world, they really emphasize that some kindred are truly monsters. Are you planning on doing these for every clan eventually?

[@ThePrimogen]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it, Tzimisce was a joy to write about, if a bit hard due to their depth. And absolutely; I do two clan-videos per clan with two "normal" episodes in-between. Next up is Nosferatu and after that will be voted on over by my Patreon.

[@Duskwalker68]

@@ThePrimogen I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of them! If I'm able to find work in the next while I'll be sure to sign up for your Patreon, would love to support your work!

[@ThePrimogen]

@@Duskwalker68 Don't feel like you have to, my content'll remain free regardless of patreon or not, but any help is thoroughly appreciated none the less.

[@Nyrufa]

My version of an Azi Dahaka would be achieving a Hivemind status. Transcending the limits of the corporeal form by existing across multiple bodies simultaneously! The Blood Brothers are just an experimental prototype to such an achievement.

[@ThePrimogen]

That's hella cool! I love how open-ended the Azhi Dahaka is too!

[@Huddyvonschland]

So informative! I always learn something new when you publish a video. And hell yes, Werewolf lore incoming??

[@ThePrimogen]

Thanks, I’m so happy you’re enjoying it! :D this was a hard clan to write about but I’m pretty happy with the results! And yeeeeup! Intro video coming the 19th!

[@lonekirin905]

I recently came across the World of Darkness, mostly through Alfabusa's Hunter The Parenting, and this vampire clan is the one that has greatly picked my interest

[@cadefoster6626]

Good old Lambacj Ruthven, probably the unluckiest Vampire of any clan. He knows the truth and nobody listens, he puts himself in danger and the Eldest saves his life. I mean, that poor man cannot win for losing.

[@ThePrimogen]

The very definition of irony; the only one who knows, yet no one believes him.

[@DividedStates]

Awesome. I love the structure. I will be thrilled to see the new direction of the clan in times of V5. They have a rich history, but unfortuneately, the capathian landlord body horror Sabbat thing is rather one-dimensional and restrictive, especially when many notable members of the clan, like Lambach the drunk, are dipicted seemingly without any modifications. It feels like the picture of Tzimisce is either stuck in the dark ages or dominated by the picture of the splatter horror pinhead of the Sabbat. No exceptions. Unfortuneatly, every homebrew for V5 I have seen so far also seems to celebrate this one-dimensional murderous image of the fiends. Personally, I find it has the taste of a stale, once of twice rebrewed filter coffee - or just another sequel to Saw, Paranormal Activity or The Purge.

[@ThePrimogen]

Sooner or later I'll be heading into V5 with my videos and I'm also looking forward to learning more about what's been going on with the Voivodes since we saw them last. I think there's a lot to be learned from studying the paths of the Sabbat to truly try to get into their alien mindset.

[@deathclawow]

It's actually much more nuanced than you put it but Azhi Dahaka can be many things Tzimisce philosophy is just as developed as other philosophies perhaps more so than some, so there is actually lots of opportunity for creativity with it. To this end I think marrying the Tzimisce concept with some of the concepts of ascension from Mage really improves the ability to create more ideologies for characters. The clan is really only limited by the creativity at the table.

[@autumntaylor2533]

I just love the illustrations in the palybook, they're so cool

[@koolaidserpent]

Great video.

[@1fnklown]

I needed this

[@ThePrimogen]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! :D

[@1fnklown]

holly shit i love this I read almost every novel I never hear about mosta this except the sabbat & camerila

[@ThePrimogen]

:D! I try to do my research

[@NodDisciple1]

09:15 The Shapeshifters of Gaia would flip if they found out how much of the world this being assimilated, let alone that they could not detect its Wyrm Taint or were able to stop it. Indeed, I wonder how he managed to not "win" the End Times before it was retconned into not happening again (yet). Also, can you explain how they undid the events of the original End Times novels when they decided to bring back the old setting into the present in a future video? Indeed, I was disappointed in the original endings as each setting had a different ending that did not fit together and the survivors of the original Gehenna ending were Cain and a certain Gangrel Archaeologist. Everyone else was axed...because body count. :-/

[@The.beef.fo.power420]

Can you do a video on Mage The Awakening I never see anyone do a video on it

[@ThePrimogen]

Hi! Down the line I can guarantee there will be Mage content coming. Sorry we're not quite there yet though, but most likely Mage will be the next game to be covered once I've also done Werewolf for a while.

[@DividedStates]

or The Ascencion.

[@autumntaylor2533]

TheBurgerkrieg did a video on it

[@thiagom8478]

7:30 Hum, ego. So, if some clan would have embraced the Greek hero Aquiles that would likely be Tzimisce!? I had not considered this possibility, but it sure makes an interesting start for an NPC. If fellow was invulnerable in life, except for that small vulnerability, and kept the divine armour to his vampiric existence. We are talking about an absolutely invulnerable vampire with no heels. And the face of an Greek demigod. Perhaps he has the body of a giant serpent bellow his waist. He is certainly still the commander of his army of elite warriors. Possibly some of them are even from the original myrmidons. This is a vampire invulnerable to sunlight, invulnerable to fire, invulnerable to claws and fangs of supernatural beings, who cannot be penetrated by a wooden stake. He is only vulnerable when he takes a human form with heels, and only the heels are vulnerable (not very likely for anyone to kill a vampire attacking that part of the body). Perhaps he chooses to move around in a wheelchair instead of grow legs, when social circumstances demand him to pretend to be human? In any case, the PCs probably need to go around him, or negotiate with his agents. Since that's a situation no one is likely to solve by trowing heavy force at it.

[@BlueCysStudios]

I'm sorry there's a WHAT under new York?!

[@Demolitiondude]

Oh. I found it. Shadow lords tribebook WW3058, PG. 26. "Without the support of the Shadow lords, what would have been the dynasty of Vladimir Draculea fell before the onslaught of the ottoman Turks." Dracula is Missing presumed dead, any shadow Lord support is dead, and the tzimisce was kicked out by ventrue crusades in mid 15th century, with Shadow Lord help.

[@ThePrimogen]

According to the wiki they claimed he was destroyed in 1475, but a LOT of the VtM lore says he's still around late into the 90s, possibly even the 00s, plus he plays a major role in the lore as well, so it's quite possibly they either a) Lied, to save face from their previous support of the count, or b) Killed a body double, or assumed they had killed him when he wasn't dead.

[@Demolitiondude]

Did I hear the stinger right? The Garou are getting a episode?

[@ThePrimogen]

>:3 perhaps

[@ThePrimogen]

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[@Demolitiondude]

Had to pause and backtrack. The glyph went by that quick.

[@Rikhalify]

Voevoda is russian word (Воевода) meaning warlord. It's a primary male position since it was mostly occupied by male warriors and the word itself is male in russian language

[@lolbots686]

Kindred in transylvania:*usual jyhad shenanigans* Dracula:Hey! Your rules suck! years later Kindred kind in general:....HOW! HOW!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA No joke btw,draculas antics got so insane kindred kind in general hopes to god that draculas sleeping because if hes still kicking around,well,to partialy quote a certain brujah? If your looking for dracula,god help you. If Dracula finds You? God can not help you.

[@Noxims47314]

So is it a bad idea to ask these guys for physical upgrades as payment? they seem like the kind to get lost in their "work" like children with clay putty.

[@gideonmele1556]

Generally yeah. Appealing to their pride is probably the best bet

[@blacksun6245]

Tzmice

[@justicar5]

and now all of this is gone, washed away to dust by the players guide, no mysticism, no transhumanism, only being a racist stereotype left.

[@blacksun6245]

There tzimice in africa

[@ThePrimogen]

There are! Lore by Night has touched upon the African blood-drinkers quite a bit!

[@dddddddddddddddf]

Hahah

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

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