How do you install doors and trim on steel studs when it has almost no holding power? Watch to find out.
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@soundman66459 ай бұрын
Here in AU, we have whole houses built on steel studs, frames and trusses. The big advantage here is if it is a steel frame they don't have to poison under the slab, to prevent termite dammage. Termites are a big problem here. If the Architect or builder is fussy, there is no timber used anywhere in the main structure of the house. Often the only obvious timber you will see is the front door. Often metal or plastic skirting system, or no skirting at all, there are all steel prehung door frames, all Aluminium prehung windows and other specific product for a virtually no wood construction. Here pretty much all, plasterboard is fixed with big blobs of stud adhesive and screws. The other thing I notice, we almost always have cornice (usually plain, but sometimes fancy) between the wall and ceiling, it is very unusual to see square set ceiling to wall joints.
@Mindcore7779 ай бұрын
Its been a long time since I worked with steel studs, but if I recall, 2X3's fit inside perfectly and then you have a decent frame to fasten onto.
@vancouvercarpenter9 ай бұрын
They do
@trxtech30109 ай бұрын
I was just gonna say I've done the same thing lol
@PhillyFixed9 ай бұрын
Two carpenter-y Vancouver Carpenter videos in a row? I'm gonna need to go snort some quickset to get my drywall fix... Also, CA glue and accelerator changed my life when I discovered it!
@chrisv46409 ай бұрын
We generally run into steel studs on commercial job sites that dont allow you to use wood unless the wood is fire treated wood which is a bit pricey.
@JulianMAguilarАй бұрын
The price is different but not too different
@user-tv1kw4wx8yАй бұрын
Brother I was just awarded a project here in Dallas to install 112 residential pre hung doors in a 3 story building framed in metal studs. Just the studs no wood inside the cavity of the stud at rough opening. I agreed on price before walking the site. Once I arrived on site to install I noticed that there was no wood at all in any of the openings. That was a 60k contract that I could have finished in 10 days with my guys. But once seeing the job I had to respectfully decline the job. Of course the GC wants it done cheap so they will not agree to pay us to cut away sheet rock from one side, install 2x4’s , fix Sheetrock, tape/bed, then install the pre-hung crappy doors. The GC will spend a fortune on BS and refuse any change order to get the job done
@chrisv4640Ай бұрын
@@user-tv1kw4wx8y sounds like a job for liquid nails with a tail light warranty
@Wolfburns9 ай бұрын
I had no idea there were such a thing as steel studs. That seems like they would be nice to use in some applications. Thanks for the informative video!
@jaireidca9 ай бұрын
They are almost universally used in commercial units in NA I think. Non-flammable, and won’t rot or get moldy if exposed to water. Also, can be overlapped and joined together vertically to go as high as you want. As he shows though, they don’t provide as much holding power for screws.
@cdipierro9 ай бұрын
Almost all office and commercial buildings are steel studs.
@vancouvercarpenter9 ай бұрын
The thicker ones do but they aren’t fun to work with. Can’t nail into them though that’s for sure.
@markh.66879 ай бұрын
Saw steel studs when working on a college Physical Plant staff as a student worker years ago. They are easier to work with as far as being lighter to handle, having uniform dimensions and straightness and having pre-made cutouts to run wiring through the studs. The college used them for all kinds of partition wall work, since the building load-bearing structure was concrete. But I never did get to see doors being hung.
@chrisburns56919 ай бұрын
@@jaireidca they actually do rot (rust) when exposed to water. I've had to rebuild a few walls in commercial spaces where the bottom plate and bottom portion of studs were rusted away to nothing.
@peep399 ай бұрын
I use PL Premium for sistering and for any high strength needs. But I have found that PVA is pretty strong too for general purposes
@dbeaulieu97309 ай бұрын
To make it simple, you use the steel for the king stud and wood for the jack studs. When you do the header you would account for the difference.
@handytbutler73808 ай бұрын
ive seen several of your drywall videos and i see you use a light to shine on the walls and was wondering which light it was, ive been using a portable halogen light but not to happy with it so was wondering which light you use. Keep up the videos ive picked up alot of tricks to add to my bag.....
@thomasnn9 ай бұрын
Love the sound of the milwaukee nailer
@jillicentTheMagnificentАй бұрын
Wish I would have watched this before I installed my pocket door. I need you on retainer
@childofgod511525 күн бұрын
That’s Howe I’ve always done it, we called it bucking out the opening
@billm.82209 ай бұрын
Great info. as always Ben. I saw this discussion on another channel. You made it nice, simple & easy. Just the way I like it. Getting too damn old to deal with complicated !! lol
@markthorpe3636Ай бұрын
Hey- thank you! You made it look so easy ! God Bless You!
@evictioncarpentry26288 ай бұрын
Most commercial guys frame their R/O wider and screw a piece of 3/4 plywood from the front, cover with drywall for fire code, from what ive ran into here (fixing their door install issues lol)
@RapTalesRewind9 ай бұрын
Thanks as always! You are making me better at my job very quickly. Was about to ask you how you like that Milwaukee nail gun as Im in the market for one but then you said it was blowing out the trim ... haha Im gonna need a review on a ridgid, dewalt and makita ...also on Miter saws...Santa is coming
@mickaayyyz9 ай бұрын
Milwaukee nail gun 18g , i really love Them , i recommend it
@okkrom9 ай бұрын
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@okkrom9 ай бұрын
I wish there was a top tools I recommend or something. But thanks for the heads up. I ended up adding a bunch of books to my wish list and a 48inch skimmer; here mom!@Tekagi
@vancouvercarpenter9 ай бұрын
😂
@vancouvercarpenter9 ай бұрын
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@markh.66879 ай бұрын
Hello VC. Nice work as always. The extra touchup by the painter might be caused by holding that nail gun at the angle, so it's not flush to the work and bouncing very slightly. I thought they made those steel studs in two grades: one for partition walls, and one for exterior. If yes, could the heavy-grade ones be used to frame the doorways, since they would hold the hinge screws?
@vancouvercarpenter9 ай бұрын
You could use the heavy ones but they suck to fasten to. Still easiest to just add the 1x3
@markh.66879 ай бұрын
@@vancouvercarpenter I see; thanks VC.
@jorgenorman87155 ай бұрын
You’re the only person I found on KZbin that talks about attaching wood to metal studs. WHAT SCREWS ARE YOU USING COURSE OR FINE THREAD? Could I use this same concept to mount say a tankless water heater? Thanks
@jasonb9939 ай бұрын
I wanna see you skate again.
@gtcam7234 ай бұрын
Considering using steel studs, sideways, in one of my shop walls so that I can install a pocket door without too much thickness but also retaining some rigidity in the wall. Like the pocket door concept for some applications just don’t like the flimsy walls.
@konstantinusstoyanov97499 ай бұрын
Thank you, you are so passionate / pro
@semperfi58619 ай бұрын
Hey Ben, how do you like that Milwaukee trim nailer? Thinking about getting one.
@mikev.10349 ай бұрын
That’s the way they do it in the states typically. The second method you showed
@Hawk2phreak8 ай бұрын
I realize Ive watched hours of your videos as I learn how to drywall and Ive never actually seen any carpentry being done 😂
@hmtrimworks71483 ай бұрын
Always called it a butterfly nail.
@justanotherguy87918 ай бұрын
Some electrician in the future is gonna try to pull off base boards to run romex and the adhesive is gonna be a struggle.
@trbjrnjnssn9 ай бұрын
Instead of adding the wood to the steel stud - replace it. Do the steel studs on your 45s (or what ever stud gap you got), but at the door openings, frame the studs with 2x4s? Then you dont need to do any extra calculations. I am probably missing smt, but thats how I would do it.
@vancouvercarpenter9 ай бұрын
They don’t measure 3.5. They measure 3.625.
@JasonPeliwo9 ай бұрын
I second the other 2 comments and in addition trying to fasten a 2x anything as a door opening without the steel studs to assist, would be a total PIA.
@jthomos219 ай бұрын
The love of CA glue - the performance or the smell or do I dare say both?
@vancouvercarpenter9 ай бұрын
I don’t like the smell at all. I like how easy it is.
@donstoy83485 ай бұрын
Could this hold a solid wood door?
@pianomanpj9 ай бұрын
I would definitely use some PL if I were to screw the wood to the outside of the steel stud. Otherwise you're relying purely on the sheer strength of the screws. Just a little more insurance for your door!
@nailbanger28 ай бұрын
@Tekagi all he really has to do is demo a wall that's put together with screws. And God help you if you run across any baseboard that is installed with finish screws attached to the studs. Better have a Sawzall hand y.
@MooseDoesStuff9 ай бұрын
those modern jambs are kinda hot
@skipsaunders59742 ай бұрын
why not use biscuits in the mitre joints of the trim? glue is't good enough over time in an environment where the humidity and temps vary.... by the end of two years every one of your mitre joints will open.....
@zephyr14088 ай бұрын
PL 375 does not expand and push your jam board off whereas 400 does or premium !
@flyingrichie9 ай бұрын
Glue!
@grzegorzszwedo23249 ай бұрын
Why don't you use reinforced steel studs (2mm thick)?
@vancouvercarpenter9 ай бұрын
Not necessary for your basic interior wall.
@patrickcowan87019 ай бұрын
There are doors with flanges specifically for steel stud construction.
@chrisburns56919 ай бұрын
not everyone wants knock down commercial doors in their apartments though.
@davidemmons38679 ай бұрын
It looks like your nailer lost the nose piece, which is why it was blowing monster holes in the trim.
@vancouvercarpenter9 ай бұрын
It was just the angle. My other gun can handle nailing at an angle without the blowouts.
@peltona9 ай бұрын
no mud? (just kidding, great tips)
@TapelessDrywallFinishing8 ай бұрын
👍👍
@theobserver66398 ай бұрын
Vancouver carpenter what does a person get paid to.start out in the drywall bussines green guy
@CaptNaufragio8 ай бұрын
Ryobi nailer is far superior homie
@gillgetter30049 ай бұрын
Metal jambs fastened to floor with webbed corners and push screws on top, for metal studs. You slipped wallboard behind jambs. No wood allowed for fire codes, exceptions for mechanical blocking and must be fire treated ( pink ). Cove molding ( vinyl glued ) was typical base. If other items was glued and minimal finish head screws to studs or track.
@AlainStar9 ай бұрын
🙏👏👍💪
@SeventeenSeventySix9 ай бұрын
This is easy, use metal studs only for partition walls, and then you won't need to put a door on them.
@BumzyFritz8 ай бұрын
Wait a minute... don't you skate?
@weekendwarrior34209 ай бұрын
The nail gun is for wood, not cardboard. Or maybe there is a special nail...
@milesharlan19 ай бұрын
I noticed that, too. The client, I suspected, that real wood cost more & wanted pressed board / cardboard for trim.. I know Ben would use real wood if he had the choice.
@vonsimms91162 ай бұрын
Wow so this is what Robin Thicke is doing since his music career went to 💩
@jltaco859 ай бұрын
You're getting old Ben, them videos are getting sloppier.
@vancouvercarpenter9 ай бұрын
This was the second full length video I filmed that day. The first was the door hanging video and it totally drained me. In spite of the imperfections in the video there is still useful info that will help people get their jobs done so it will stay up.