Vanessa and Mitch: Unrealistic Ex-pectations | Family or Fiance S2 E4 | Full Episode | OWN

A bride, raised to be a trophy wife, falls deeply in love with a downtown type of guy whose history with women is questionable, at best. Chaos ensues when her mother tries to convince her to ditch her fiancé and go back to her wealthy ex-husband. (Original Air Date: August 7, 2021)
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Vanessa and Mitch: Unrealistic Ex-pectations | Family or Fiance S2 E4 | Full Episode | OWN
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[@Ginaaaa555]

Vanessa and her mom needs to go on the show called SMOTHERED

[@MickieMama23]

Lol facts

[@jivonniasmith9770]

Swearing said the same thing

[@netas.2620]

Excalty

[@tiffaniemusgrove9753]

Its the mom wig for me, and she got the nerve to act like she better than people. 😂

[@BoujieKCTrucker]

😂

[@nanapanaaa]

right talking about who did your hair who did yoursss?!!😂😂

[@Beauty777_]

@@nanapanaaaI’m cryinggg😂😂😂

[@deniset6367]

@@nanapanaaaright? I was thinking the same thing

[@deereegray]

I was thinking the same thing. She was talking high class with a low budget wig

[@silatikalaluka8346]

“I don’t sit high enough to look down on anybody” wow!!

[@LuckyJudaz]

That was so proud of her ..wow 😅😅

[@toschajeffries8833]

Deep

[@tiaait1]

Is there a level here on earth that is high enough to look down on others? 🤔

[@mariereid3717]

😢 .

[@user-gu6vf3je1d]

His justification for sleeping with whores …😂

[@thelonetravelr]

Referring to your daughter as a “science project” is wild 😮 I can’t with the mom 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@helena3631]

The mother wants the best for her daugther her daughter educated , would be considered a Preference in the black community as she is not dark skinned lots of blk males colorist he mother wants her to do to the best catch so to speak she just doesn’t have any tact

[@dianeatkins6980]

She is a piece of work and not in a good way

[@angellafacey1491]

That mother is a manipulator and a pest. Her daughter need to run from her.

[@margarette10ify]

Lol

[@chamrithomas1422]

That had me blown like… the fact the daughter didn’t have an aversion to that just shows the level insanity she was living in with her mom

[@maurreese]

The mother is literally a Tyler Perry character and it is not cute!

[@raayynicole]

I was thinking the same, it’s giving crazy Lifetime mother

[@smaldonado1309]

The Mother is giving the energy of the Mother on Madea's Family Reunion

[@yemedemure414]

😂😂😂😂

[@BkzBrownie99]

Definitely auditioning

[@monajean-baptiste890]

Those wigs were giving Tyler Perry as well.

[@keshawnfinn5689]

The mother want financial stability for herself not the daughter. The mother want to be taken care of

[@shes_carrybeyond6161]

THIS

[@troylemieux202]

No bullshyt

[@mepisces5196]

Madea’s family reunion in reality the toxic mom living through her daughter and pimping her out to the richest man.. her ex is married and he’s willing to divorce his current wife to get her back how is there security in that mood change divorce again

[@sandraisom134]

This the 2nd or 3rd show she been on. Let's see where she pop up next🤣🤣

[@mz.scoobyscooby9081]

🎯

[@Unapologeticallyshaniece]

Momma tryna live life through her daughter not realizing that by doing that it will ultimately be her daughters downfall by keeping her single. Why be so stuck up and rude it’s unnecessary

[@reshawonderbrown2255]

Right!! So sad!!👏👏👏👏

[@ellacobb762]

At least her mom admitted it though

[@gcchair7634]

Isn’t it funny the mom is ok with her former SIL willing to divorcing who he’s with now, to remarry her daughter but has a problem w Mitch sleeping w others when he and Vanessa are broken up.

[@Koko31968]

The mom talking about someone’s hair all of them have bad wigs on 😂

[@1980tiffani]

The fact that the mom is mad at him for still keeping a relationship with his step daughter 😩… smh, that’s a mess. Mitch needs to RUN!

[@LatoyaBriscoe]

The truest statement spoken "I don't sit HIGH enough to look DOWN on anybody" and that is wisdom for all to know!

[@MzTwEeT1989]

The picture of the ex husband on the coffee table is diabolical

[@LudmilaS85]

Vanessa's mom Wig is wigging. 😂😮😅😂

[@Iamwunderwuman99]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@briharvey7993]

That wig line is everything 😂😂😂😂

[@1980tiffani]

Lisssssssstttttteeeeennnnnn 😂😂😂

[@deborahsimmons3370]

No , it’s wiggy! Means that u can tell it’s a wig, w/o question!

[@puggysnuggy]

😂😂😂😂

[@toochicboutique3354]

If her previous marriage was great, why did they divorce??

[@moniquedemery2028]

I wondered the same thing?!?

[@melissagivens3037]

Me too 😢did here he has children

[@vaneekabarksdale8761]

My thoughts exactly

[@ShawntaGrant-u3k]

Her mama more than likely

[@clashon4life843]

@@ShawntaGrant-u3k💯💯💯

[@arthinwabrown]

When Vanessa stated... designer bags, red bottoms, marry a ball player or movie star, all this means is I want the life-style, not love! Too Materialistic!

[@adnamaxamed8264]

No that can be love too

[@elaineclark344]

And those type of high value men. Cheat. So i guess she will take that too

[@Mzlillybaby]

The mom came for camera time baby. You can’t tell me she wasn’t thinking lights camera 🎥 action!!!!!

[@tinishawatkins-peggins7178]

The mom is living vicariously through her daughter. She need to focus on her own life. It’s one thing to want better for you children, but another to be obsessive and treating your child like you’re emotional husband/wife.

[@diddral]

I can tell in the first few minutes, this woman is not looking for a true husband

[@Lightreign888]

🎯

[@aaliyah154]

She was on that tv show temptation island

[@ImanaGreen]

Same

[@glendachappell4895]

Looking for a million dollar lottery ticket

[@ree305]

Okay...So in 3 days all the problems get solved and people change and understand each other!!! 🥴We all need a stint there!!!😂

[@helena3631]

They will be divorced they’re unequally yikes she can do better

[@quichequiche4274]

No. Hopefully, in three days, a light can be shone on the root of their issues. And they can be given the tools to assist in them moving forward in a more healthy way.

[@IMOBcarti74]

It's a production, enjoy the show

[@Sarafina-h6v]

😂😂😂

[@Aliecia-i3h]

No ots a better foundation to start there process of making things better and skills to deal with the problem they may walk out better but don't mean it stops there still have to put in the work as issues come about

[@Brwnbeaut]

The mother said the grooms sisters hair looked crazy when she had a helmet on her head for a wig.

[@elaineclark344]

😂😂😂😂😂 for real

[@sunkissed6413]

An oven mitt you hear me 😂

[@shenikamayes]

I’m weak!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂

[@LTCurry-wg4kw]

Wait...so she was already married at least once, may or may not have married this guy, then went on Temptation Island with another guy 10 yrs her junior & that relationship didn't work out!😒She & her Mom are definitely coming off as Actors🤷🏽‍♀️

[@BrandiFischer-og3vz]

Literally was just on temptation island but her and Mitch been together since 2019? Lmao bye ! This man lives in my city & has a 3 year old son! He’s never been engaged and was just with his sons mother ! This is such bs.

[@lilpaulettenthegang7869]

I saw a lot of these couples on several shows like Karamo, Maury, Jerry. 😂

[@nahhhbruhhh]

Right!!!!!! All so fraudulent lol I’m still here watching though lmao

[@nahoga]

The mom is GOOOOFY

[@deeshortstuff2281]

🫎

[@carolinagirl2428]

Asf‼️🙄

[@brittneyreigns]

VERRYYYY

[@masbagley]

I can’t take her wig at all!

[@devonyajarvis3904]

Mother talking about his sister her with that synthetic wig on

[@rocheeb676]

You took the words 😅, ok she acting like she a walking hollywood Barbie.

[@sattasana7753]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@toochicboutique3354]

Exactly, she got some nerve!

[@charlesgonzales9777]

😂 Right wig don’t even look natural, ma’am take off that make up let’s see how good u really look

[@jessikabulli2027]

Her wig is horrible

[@kaileik7595]

Her mom probably benefited from her ex.

[@MichelleBurks-sc2rp]

Still is getting cash apps

[@Necic2024]

This chick really just wants to be on tv

[@saramcdonalds427]

BE ON TV AS A RUN THROUGH

[@lisbeth6911]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🎯💯

[@lisbeth6911]

Yep…. I see probable show of lip & butt injections.🧐

[@K_Allday]

Now that you pointed this out, I can definitely see the fakeness and horrible acting skills here. Lol, he is in on it too lol... I think.

[@blancacenteno2186]

I knew I'd seen her on another show.

[@chinequiaancrum8123]

Mom was TOTALLY out of line, when she said she wants her back with her EX

[@bertha8893]

I would not entertain any relationship with a toxic bougie mother like that, I would leave the entire situation. Mom is determined to give this man hell.

[@CocoaDivineTV]

An ex who is currently married at that! Lol the mum is very unserious. Lol

[@paralegalkc]

I kinda think mom wants the ex husband for herself.

[@toyaamos]

@@paralegalkc Seems that way

[@mickeyallen92]

My BIGGEST & ONLY problem with this show is that the episodes are not longer and the healing process is not longer

[@RoziRoz25]

Because they are acting

[@Nigeriantravels]

He needs to RUN!

[@jazzmeonshields912]

Fast

[@kaygieann33]

In a hurry. He's fine too. Plenty of women would happily take him in.

[@mskyle4564]

And fast !!! He deserves better.

[@glendachappell4895]

Quick fast and in hurry

[@bonitaweekes4366]

So if her 1st marriage was so good why did she divorce?

[@helena3631]

So women don’t like peace they want chaos and confusion

[@bridgetteruth4333]

She wants the struggle life it seems 😂😂

[@deborahadams3745]

I was thinking the same thing. 🤔🤔🤔

[@patricesmith265]

Yeah didn't make sense unless she is hiding something or not telling the whole story

[@nicnic3230]

The bride's mother is fowl... 😒

[@dupreyalana]

She heard 3 properties, businesses owner and made a whole turn 😂😂

[@nichellenunya]

Her family is rude.

[@deeshortstuff2281]

Mom is awful along with her wig

[@helena3631]

They Just tell the truth it’s harsh I do not believe in sugar coating

[@arthinwabrown]

Her family is FAKE

[@romellep6572]

Mom' s a "gold digger" and sometimes men get so fascinated that a woman that looks like a diva, that they miss the red flags. A man loves a kid he grew close to, that's special.

[@ashleyh.4832]

If she divorced her ex it was definitely a reason "Mother" 😂. I don't think this relationship will work.

[@angeleyes3386]

Couple million a year?? Those wigs giving $25k a year. J/s

[@dismissdetractors3350]

Don't forget her really bad surgery too!

[@ventingwithvonda7097]

😂😂😂😂

[@lilpaulettenthegang7869]

😂😂😂

[@chelee8804]

Correct!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@Xjxhhsjzjchjshs]

😂

[@BleuReign13]

The mother walked in tap dancing on my nerves. Rude, disrespectful, talking about being equally yoked and she needs to be the baby in the family..that is a grown woman! Then she is trying to undermine their relationship to get her back with her ex husband 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@arthinwabrown]

Does the mom have a man???

[@phoenixastral9046]

I have a hard time believing this episode is actually real, the mother give me paid actress idk

[@BoujieKCTrucker]

I thought the same. They are acting. 😂

[@BrandiFischer-og3vz]

This man lives in my city & I know him very well , lol he has a 3 year old son , he’s definitely not “engaged” he was just with the mother of his son! & she was just on another show with a man that “she was with for 2 years” that was younger then her ! This is such bs 💀😂

[@nycgirltee]

@@BrandiFischer-og3vzI kept saying he looks familiar and gay but I didn't want to put that on him without facts .. knew I wasn't bugging I know a gay man when I see one 😂

[@elizabethroy5420]

So all this is fake, shame on OWN for this BS 🤬​@@BrandiFischer-og3vz

[@reesejordan8953]

"I will not abandon you.." like 5 mins after she said she's waiting to put her in a nursing home 😂😂

[@AliciaPinnock]

😂😂😂😂

[@baileyplayhouse1530]

I was like omg her mom is going to see this

[@MidVicious44]

This was the line in the show where my jaw dropped.... Let's hope this lady is acting and playing a character.

[@godsleep6129]

Moms gonna keep her daughter single 😂😂😂😂

[@adnamaxamed8264]

No cuz hee ex husband want hee back

[@Tiffany-un3hw]

Only if she lets her. They both need to establish some boundaries.

[@GoddessoftheDivine80]

She's definitely acting😂😂😂

[@boniswamchunu]

Yall won't last because you putting a price tag on love and your family talks a lot. Also why does your mom have so much to say about these people. She also has the audacity to tell you to go back to your ex. Wow

[@Hotwingzlover84]

She said he claims a Child that's not even his. When did that become a bad trait? It's not as if he was tricked, I agree the Mom Is a lot.

[@helena3631]

You need money struggle love is considered the norm in the black community.. we are in a capitalist society we need money why blk women are quick to say money doesn’t matter when most folks divorce because of that not even cheating lol get your head out the sand

[@helena3631]

@@Hotwingzlover84claiming a child that’s not yours is commendable but where is that 20 yr olds dad legally he is not responsible for said child .. what about if they have their own kids that will create a financial issue she can do better her mother is correct

[@Hotwingzlover84]

@@helena3631 I never said that he was a prize. I gave my opinion of how odd that comment from the Mother was but 👍

[@GoddessoftheDivine80]

I wouldn't want my daughter marrying a man that claims another womans child, that can definitely put a couple of strains on the relationship ​@@helena3631

[@sandraisom134]

If I can't trust him with my heart, I am not saying yes😮

[@gailsmith836]

Why did she say yes in the first place?

[@Teenie-mg8xn]

Mama wig is tied! And she's coming for the sis hair 😂

[@dondrial]

Her & her mama crazy. That girl said she only have a few more years until she die or put her in a nursing home. Girl what???

[@MichelleBurks-sc2rp]

The statement floored me

[@cynfulnails9046]

She said “it’s only a few more years then she’ll die or put her in a nursing home “ 😮😅😂whattttttttttt 😂 I’m dead

[@yolandalcheek462]

Toxic, divorce #2 😂

[@nahoga]

I COMPLETELY understand what Vanessa is going through. 100000000%%%%%. Some parents are just like this. PERIOD.

[@BoujieKCTrucker]

My mom was similar until my now husband stood up for himself. Respectfully.

[@CambieSweets]

People have to learn to go no contact with these types of people. They don’t have boundaries or respect.

[@angelinahunt916]

I love Tracy’s pretty and modest dress. ❤

[@ninabrown8951]

Mitch, RUN. Especially when it comes to your child. Alot of women commend you for that. Vanessa is too much.

[@luvekesha7889]

Her mother and that wig 😂😂 lil miss boogie 😂😂😂

[@lealovestechbooo]

the mother and daughter came on this show to ger famous clearly lol

[@B.Something]

I don’t think so.. the mother, yes but the daughter is scared of her. She’s literally awaiting the death of her mom to be herself (or her aging out to a nursing home). You can’t fake that 😂🤦🏽‍♀️

[@onediakey6117]

her mom don't want to be by herself

[@deeshortstuff2281]

To Nubian

[@jas8471]

Vanessa doesn't desire to be a step mom to a xhild that is not biologically her man. Also keith lacks sexual discipline. They need to move on from this relationship.

[@nicoleprice354]

That's what was necessary...standing up to her mother and letting her know that she is not who she wants her to be....she is who she is and is becoming.

[@MP-qb6lv]

is that her real mom....something seems off

[@Monroe76]

I was thinking the same!! Something not right!! 😂😂😂 I’ve watched other episodes and they seem real but this one seems so staged to me.

[@fierceflava]

This whole relationship is a joke.

[@yolandalcheek462]

Huge joke, 😂 I guess they like divorce

[@sheenasimon1399]

“Just a few more yrs.. Once she’s dead or I can put her a nursing..I be able to live my life’ .. wtf.. She is terrified of her mother.. that is scary..🥲

[@unknown.poet55]

If the ex was so great, why is he the ex?

[@keirastevenson9047]

Engaged already? She just on another show with a whole different man. WTF!!

[@JadelleSharese]

This was in 2019

[@dimepiecetia]

What was the other show?

[@unpopular2]

@@dimepiecetiaTemptation Island This Was After

[@ohanaohana8844]

​@@JadelleShareseIt aired just last yea??

[@kaygieann33]

Run Mitch, run...😂

[@zingimazongs274]

Mommy saw her as a "Kardarshian"😂😂 do your own judgment

[@glendachappell4895]

Agree 100%

[@sunonymous1]

She reminds me of Kimbella and that ain’t good.

[@Ubhntu3789]

The mother is overprotective but this guy is red flags over and over.

[@Sweet_Tooth_Artistry]

Her Mom reminds me of New Yorks Mom 😩🥴🤣

[@kreneegpro14]

Key words" when we're together " when yall aren't? HE IS SINGLE

[@tiffanythurmond9600]

Why isn’t she with her ex if it was so carefree 🤔

[@nigelrodriguez210]

Mitch mentally strong asf

[@sunkissed6413]

Mentally strong people don’t go sleeping around when there’s trouble in their relationship

[@nataliedawson8801]

@@sunkissed6413facts

[@Ms_D11]

Your mother referred to you as a science project... ouch mom 🤦‍♀️

[@Rrashestone]

yes the mother is overbearing but she is right about mitch not being right man. he is a walking red flag

[@justsayin3195]

I don’t sit high enough to look down on people… I love that

[@Ubhntu3789]

It’s clear his standards are in hell. Infidelity is bottom barrel behavior.

[@Kmoney-u2t]

@@Ubhntu3789 YASSS!!!! The way he answered that question about sleeping with a stripper was hilarious. That lip service he giving is not fooling anybody

[@thailea5958]

‘Once i put her in a nursing home’ is crazy!!!!

[@raya74]

Her mom looks so young nowhere near ready for a nursing home in a few years

[@separateifyoucantrelate.]

😂😂😂😂

[@nahhhbruhhh]

Besides the wig the mom look younger than her lol quiet as it’s kept

[@shantejones4836]

Man she was on temptation island last year 🙄She just wanna be on tv

[@aratang2948]

Hang on, wasn’t she just causing drama on Temptation Island? I’m already expecting over the top behaviour…lemme go see.

[@charbrim100]

Yes tf she was! I was just saying the same thing

[@jazzy5975]

So I assume this is fake or they didn't make it

[@natalieglover9082]

I literally said the same thing, like here this chic goes again 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤣🤣

[@shesamotherthatlives]

So are we going to ignore the fact she said she can't and doesn't want to be a stepmother? Oh, I was the only one? Ok, carry on. Run man while you can.

[@arthinwabrown]

@@shesamotherthatlives ...Exactly, even if she is a step daughter to him, the fact that he remained in her life is admiral enough!

[@adnamaxamed8264]

I love the mom she just wants the best for her daughter why do people get so pressed about women wanting financial

[@user-gu6vf3je1d]

Exactly Makes no sense…

[@mskyle4564]

Wow 😮her mother has some deep seeded issues.

[@destaneehoward]

They brushed over the daughter situation too fast for me . Idk how yall make it work when she really doesn’t care for any kind of relationship with your kids.

[@lesley5380]

My mum would never refer to me as a 'Science project ' 😮

[@dyoni99]

Her waiting til her momma dies is crazy 😭💀

[@nicoleprice354]

I love this outcome. Sometimes, a conversation with vulnerability is absolutely beautiful. I wish them the very best❤

[@Sharon-e8p]

Her mum is a bully

[@tamikabennett3023]

So the Mom bring in a picture of her daughter and ex husband? wow

[@johnaalfordjr2504]

I am 65 year old Man and I was so proud of everyone involved in the show both families.But I was really proud of Groom.I learned so much from him thank you young man for the growth you showed.

[@teekay6967]

Vanessa was on Temptation Island S5 with younger man who was 10 yrs her junior. She was something else on that show.

[@Monroe76]

Watching now and I have no words 😳

[@tonishamuhammad14]

Wowzers!

[@gab19guerin72]

I am 7 minutes in and know this is FAKE. Now Tracy and producers you can’t put these fake people on the show and keep the audience. This lady just wants to be on TV and this man doesn’t want to be a husband. 🗣️Why are they here?

[@rochellewinding8136]

Right!! im like she was on another show with another man

[@gab19guerin72]

@@rochellewinding8136 exactly! Just ugh!!

[@iammarshe3062]

That's my uncle lol. They definitely were together. Stop assuming what you don't know.

[@gab19guerin72]

@@iammarshe3062 the title says it all unrealistic. Don’t care who he is to you sir anyone else. This was fake.

[@MrsSkittles916]

@@gab19guerin72🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

[@diddral]

Run Son!!!!

[@B.Something]

Her playing with her synthetic wig like it’s real hair is wild 😂

[@maskhysteria4056]

Mom is riding in the wrong lane 😂😂😂😊

[@Onechance_ngl]

Her mom better be trolling us.

[@thina5918]

She was on The Temptation!! 😂😂

[@tatipalooza]

Lmao I was like WAIT A MINUTE 😭

[@mznaturallyfit]

Still crazy? Haven't watched yet 😂

[@nikkiathomas1918]

YES INDEED SHE WAS!! SHE JUST WANTS TO BE ON TV😂😂

[@saramcdonalds427]

@@nikkiathomas1918 SHE WANTS TO BE IN A COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP SIKE ME OUT

[@sattasana7753]

Vanessa?

[@bridgetteperkins6361]

Yeah once he told the mom I have properties and my own business..she was sold..smh

[@Zesty-nm2le]

I think he is a red flag 🚩 if he cheats when they mad 🤷🏽‍♀️ He is not the one

[@Lightreign888]

Agreed 👍🏾

[@justsayin3195]

Didn’t they say when they broke up??? And she said she was the one to end it

[@Roseeeee11]

💯💯💯💯💯

[@jocelynthurman6099]

They are both red flags. The mama a red flag herself.

[@kinshasaharris4758]

It was 6 weeks..... No contact are you serious why was he supposed to just sit in purgatory until she feels like talking to him.

[@choolwehakamangwe8833]

Guessing the divorce was over kids. She doesn't look like she would want to a child to steal her shine.

[@nedrianj]

Say what you mean and mean what you say. You don’t tell someone you’re done and then get mad when they try to move on. Stop trying to play mind games. It’s manipulative, but she has it honest

[@nicklebaby]

The mother has valid concerns they just don't like the mum's package lol. That man is a walking red flag.

[@tkeyah331]

Yea I mean I think it’s just the way she presents it and also the way she acts like her daughter isn’t willfully ignorant 😂 that is what I think makes it exhausting and can overshadow him being pretty darn sketchy!

[@helena3631]

This plus he cheats and with strippers she’s going to get high bo dealing with him and stds she can do better but her self esteem lol she’s pretty but wants a thug she’s tired of being safe she likes the wild side but it’s detrimental to her life

[@mochafit42]

Mother & daughter are materialistic

[@djsaveaves]

She’s trying to position herself above them

[@aaronhoward7320]

She's not the one especially if she will leave a happy relationship to go somewhere else.

[@knotthetyme]

Her reading the question how it was written 😂

[@meandmy2cents309]

Her mom is nuts and she’s afraid of her. Sooo many issues here. This would be a no-go.

[@vivianwilson603]

When you make a decision to marry , you take on each other's children & everything else point blank period! It's a package deal bc once you say I do, you instantly become one ! That's why it's so important to KNOW for sure that person is the one!!

[@TheMilanW]

Lmfaoooo did she say in a few more years her mom will be dead or in a nursing home 😅😅😅

[@taajsingle]

I don’t think Vanessa knows who she really is….

[@rishawnbarnes6289]

I’m almost cried when the mom said yes ❤