Vanilla OS: New, highly secure, immutable Linux distro

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ExplainingComputers

ExplainingComputers

Күн бұрын

Vanilla OS installation and demo, including an explanation of what is meant by an immutable operating system, and how this is implemented in Vanilla OS to improve stability and security.
Vanilla OS can be freely downloaded from: vanillaos.org/
You can find a detailed explanation of abroot here:
documentation.vanillaos.org/d...
In the video, I mention Windows CE, which I made a video about here:
• Windows CE Retro Mobiles
I also mentioned some other immutable Linux distros, which were:
Bottlerocket: aws.amazon.com/bottlerocket/
Talos Linux: www.talos.dev/ and
Fedora Siverblue: silverblue.fedoraproject.org/
Finally, my recent Blender tutorials are here:
• Blender Modeling Intro...
• Blender Materials & Re...
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:51 Secure & Stable (what is an immutable OS?)
04:32 Bare Metal Test (installation)
07:59 Vanilla GNOME
13:13 Installing Apps
17:46 A Daily Driver?
#VanillaOS #ImmutableOS #Linux #explainingcomputers

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@beetlebopter888
@beetlebopter888 2 ай бұрын
finally, someone that talks to the common person, without all the technicalities of the terminal.
@NewHampshireJack
@NewHampshireJack Жыл бұрын
Superior presentation. In a concise and understandable format, this channel keeps an "old dog" up to date on what is new. Thank you Chris for the wonderful continuing education.
@dallesamllhals9161
@dallesamllhals9161 Жыл бұрын
Heh! ROM is not a BAD thing ;-)
@dang48
@dang48 Жыл бұрын
Hear hear! Seconded!
@foxx9555
@foxx9555 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I like this classy old shool, intellectual type of presentation.
@hershfam
@hershfam Жыл бұрын
im not an "old dog" but i still prefer this style of video! Love it!
@nou712
@nou712 5 ай бұрын
Sorry but no, VanillaOS takes telemetry to the next level compared to plain Ubuntu which it is based on. Look at their privacy policy. They harvest your personal information from your documents as well as user profile on the OS. The distro maintainers also can at will access your filesystem if you are connected to the internet.
@srvuk
@srvuk Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I do hope that people will not automatically believe that malware can't affect them because although the core is secure, the rest isn't. It was impressive that a basic user could be up and running with apps and not encounter anything technical.
@anonymunsichtbar3715
@anonymunsichtbar3715 Жыл бұрын
I mean it's running everything in a sandbox. So it's pretty secure like a phone
@gblargg
@gblargg Жыл бұрын
@@anonymunsichtbar3715 But it's not immutable.
@bigpickles
@bigpickles Жыл бұрын
​@@anonymunsichtbar3715 yep, you got it
@anonymunsichtbar3715
@anonymunsichtbar3715 Жыл бұрын
@@elfrjz obviously, but that's just like on a phone. But still phones are used for authentication, online banking etc. because they are pretty safe, at least compared to a desktop. Big part of it is that everything is run in a sandbox. So everything gets it's own permission. SELinux is the most used one. That is pretty safe, in fact it's so safe that most servers use it.
@RealAmericanhero
@RealAmericanhero Жыл бұрын
Late to the party. Increased security never means invulnerability. Not sure the English language is capable of transferring specific meaning.
@dang48
@dang48 Жыл бұрын
As always, very well presented and definitely a big help in refreshing and keeping up to date on what's going on. Thank you Chris.
@RoyNeeraye
@RoyNeeraye Жыл бұрын
Sunday evenings wouldn't be the same without an EC video. Excellent review, as always, Chris. Cheers!
@sylviam6535
@sylviam6535 Жыл бұрын
A small correction regarding apx ‘running in user mode’. That should have been ‘running under regular user privileges’. Both regular user and root applications run in user mode, as opposed to certain system processes that run in kernel mode. Of course Chris knows all that - this is just to help users new to Linux. Great job once again, Chris.
@disky01
@disky01 Жыл бұрын
I'm so grateful for this channel. Thank you for turning me on to so many cool things over the years, Chris.
@Juergen_K
@Juergen_K Жыл бұрын
This was another great video! I will not use this as my daily driver (yet), but with the state the world is now in, this could change at any time and it is good to know that this distro exists.
@michaelmoceri1118
@michaelmoceri1118 Жыл бұрын
My experience with immutable distros comes from the Steam Deck. SteamOS is an Arch based immutable OS that switches between a dedicated gaming interface and a KDE desktop mode. One important aspect this has highlighted for me is that you've got to manage the permissions of Flatpaks. They're containerized, but by default you don't get to define their containers in an accessible way. So you need an application like Flatseal to check and modify their permissions. This allows knowledgeable users to increase security by removing unnecessary or questionable permissions, but it also helps fix issues that can arise. For instance, if an application needs to move a file to a different directory, but it doesn't have access to enough of the file system. You can add that permission and repair the issue.
@deadjule
@deadjule Жыл бұрын
rm KDE have this settings
@terrydaktyllus1320
@terrydaktyllus1320 Жыл бұрын
A knowledgeable user can increase the security on any Linux system using its native package management without introducing the additional security risk of a third-party "one size fits all" package management system. It's the same reason why no longer hosting your own "bare metal" servers introduces additional security risk when hosting on a Cloud provider that has not been involved in the solution before. The "war of universal package management" is still being fought anyway between snaps, flatpaks, appimages and nix, and the only people who care about the winner are those trying to turn Linux into Windows and who don't want to put in proper time and effort to learning Linux properly. I've been working with Linux since 1996 (a bit longer with UNIX) and not found to use any of those packaging formats - Gentoo Linux and its package manager Portage are all that I need. A knowledgeable user has knowledge because of taking the time to learn Linux properly, not constantly trying to take "shortcuts" that just add more complexity to the main OS and therefore introduce more software layers containing software bugs and security issues.
@terrydaktyllus1320
@terrydaktyllus1320 Жыл бұрын
PS. For the record, the reason why Linux on Steam Deck is immutable is because the same is true of the OSes on the Playstations and X-Boxes in this world - gamers generally just want to play games and don't care about the underlying OS on their systems (and that's not a criticism, by the way). How many PS5 owners, for example, know what OS their console runs, or even care about it?
@richards7909
@richards7909 Жыл бұрын
@@terrydaktyllus1320 While a console owner doesn’t care about the underlying OS, the choices made by the console manufacturer isn’t for the good of the console owner though but for their own interests. The console owner ultimately gets little choice in what they can do outside of that consoles own ecosystem.
@terrydaktyllus1320
@terrydaktyllus1320 Жыл бұрын
@@richards7909 Yes, but both statements (mine and yours) can exist in the same universe - namely that most gamers don't care about the OS on their consoles and the manufacturers can lock them down to their "heart's content" - in fact, one could argue that each statement drives the other one. So I am not sure what point of mine you have answered here?
@fram1111
@fram1111 Жыл бұрын
I always love your OS updates, I look forward to them. I also agree with your opinion on the user interface. What that's it, thank you for another great video.
@S-I-T
@S-I-T Жыл бұрын
Happiest of Sundays to everyone. Great video Christopher as per usual. 👏
@horusfalcon
@horusfalcon Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the push! I'll have to check out Vanilla and other Immutable OSs mentioned here. Good stuff, man!
@ThomasBrisco
@ThomasBrisco Жыл бұрын
I think any operating system that impresses you so much is worth checking (and my download just finished). I like the idea of an immutable system (particularly for my firewall/router facing the internet) -- but how it places out in practice (updated, etc) is going to be the final decision maker. Lovely presentation of complex topics -- always appreciate your videos!
@framegrace1
@framegrace1 Жыл бұрын
If you want it for a router, etc... search somewhere else, vanilla OS is GUI oriented and would make things more difficult than needed
@Rivenworld
@Rivenworld Жыл бұрын
Informative and very interesting video as always Chris, always enjoy your channel. Great work 🙂
@enkiimuto1041
@enkiimuto1041 Жыл бұрын
This video was so, so helpful, i begun to take notes lol. All other videos that I've seen on vanilla OS don't mention even the APX thing. Your first 4 min beat all of them.
@v1Broadcaster
@v1Broadcaster Жыл бұрын
always loved your videos impressed and improved so much over the years! hope youre doing well!
@tech29X
@tech29X Жыл бұрын
The video is superb, I was impressed how those apps installed so fast.
@martinsmith5028
@martinsmith5028 Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris. Very interesting and promising. I am impressed by the amount and quality of documentation, and I like the immutable concept and how it's been applied. However, making errors, sometimes serious ones, is how we learn life's difficult lessons. The way you installed those packages one after the othet made me think it shouldn't be too hard to create a batch installer for such a task. You could select your wish list and set it running and go talk to the ducks or set it to overnight install after you go to bed. I look forward to other updates on this. Have fun
@rexsceleratorum1632
@rexsceleratorum1632 Жыл бұрын
Not hard at all, just make a bash script with a bunch of apx install -y [appname]
@Manian488
@Manian488 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I am very interested in the concept behind this distro, lets give them more time and hopefully soon we will be able to use it as a daily driver.
@ronaldmarshall5845
@ronaldmarshall5845 Жыл бұрын
Great VIdeo Chris!!! As always, you do a great job explaining things ib very understandable detail. Thanks again for all that you do!!!
@LeftoverBeefcake
@LeftoverBeefcake Жыл бұрын
I'm liking this distro just for the fact that it asks what software you want to install from the start, which is a lot more convenient than installing all the stuff you don't want/use and having to remove it all later.
@chriholt
@chriholt Жыл бұрын
I almost always learn something new from you Chris - an "immutable" OS was a new one for me!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
Greetings Chris.
@LuciferGloria
@LuciferGloria Жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir for the fantastic video. It was very informative and easy. I felt like I tested the distro myself without wasting much time. Please keep doing this.
@Xingqiwu387
@Xingqiwu387 Жыл бұрын
Another fabulous presentation and explanation from Chris! Barnatt is the best! Thank you :)
@Ollital
@Ollital Жыл бұрын
Great job Chris. Now I want to have some Vanilla ice cream. :-)
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
:)
@Praxibetel-Ix
@Praxibetel-Ix Жыл бұрын
Let me join you!
@dezmondwhitney1208
@dezmondwhitney1208 Жыл бұрын
This distro has me interested for sure, even though I know little about managing Flatpaks. A most interesting video that made me think a little more about Linux.
@juampibehler
@juampibehler Жыл бұрын
Thanks Christopher, I have to say you have a keen eye for really useful technology. I may add some other to the list: CarbonOS, Fedora Kinoite
@mikefinn2101
@mikefinn2101 Жыл бұрын
Wow Peter Nice exciting new distro looks like a future daily driver very tempting I like it. Thanks for the time in sharing and intro into learning new stuff. Great channel Peter sure helps a lot for beginners like me.
@alanthornton3530
@alanthornton3530 Жыл бұрын
Sunday afternoon with another excellent video from Chris @ E.C. Vanilla OS does seem quire interesting, I like the idea that the core is isolated from the user & software in containers a plus point for security. There was plenty of software choices that you installed for your workflow (Solitaire anyone)!! Hopefully future updates will add the tweaks that you feel were missing from the distro :)
@joelviolinpiano
@joelviolinpiano Жыл бұрын
I Really enjoyed this video. Thanks Chris! I'm gonna try out Vanilla too, it looks great!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your support. Good luck testing out Vanilla OS.
@rickster2317
@rickster2317 Жыл бұрын
Hey Chris. Another great video. I have one Dell I5 laptop that is dedicated to Linux, and is currently running an older version of Mint. However, lately I have been contemplating doing a fresh install of Mint, I think I will try the Vanilla OS, as I really like the idea of the Immutable OS to provide extra security. Thanks Chris for another well presented and informative video.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
Good luck with your install. :)
@rickster2317
@rickster2317 Жыл бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers Hey Chris. A few days and much frustration later, I am leaning towards reinstalling Mint. Somehow, I missed the initial LibreOffice option, and now can't figure out how to install it, or Firefox. I seem to be going in circles trying to navigate this very different operating system. Walking away for now.......
@DavidHamby-ORF-48
@DavidHamby-ORF-48 Жыл бұрын
Ahoy, Chris. Good title! As you were explaining immutable, FreeBSD boot environments came to mind. Boot environments rest on ZFS snapshots. I’ve encountered in a FreeNAS/TrueNAS context. Once I had to revert an update gone wrong. Easy from the physical console menses. Snapshots also allow recovery from ransomware and other exploits. Good topic for your show writing skills. Excellent presenter!
@ericwikman
@ericwikman Жыл бұрын
Super interesting. Vanilla is very new, so expect major changes in the tech it is based on (they are moving from Ubuntu-based to Debian Sid (unstable) based in the next release, and it is possible they move from abroot to libostree in the future). Immutability is what seems to be getting the most attention, but I actually think APX is the most interesting part of Vanilla OS. APX's core team includes Luca di Maio of Distrobox and is distro-agnostic. I use Debian Testing as my daily-driver, and am going to install APX on my system to gain some of the benefits of Vanilla while Vanilla matures.
@MrGFYne1337357
@MrGFYne1337357 Жыл бұрын
This seems like a perfect distro for getting family members or the children in your life started in linux. With the low chance of user error and the very low chance of installing malware really does seem ideal. Thank you very much for showcasing this Linux distro. Have a wonderful Sunday. I look forward to you next video. :)
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 Жыл бұрын
Maybe, but I find the DE to be combersum and confusing.
@dingdong2103
@dingdong2103 Жыл бұрын
The Gnome desktop is ennoying as hell though.
@insanemainstream3633
@insanemainstream3633 Жыл бұрын
Great video Chris!!
@sovereignlivingsoul
@sovereignlivingsoul Жыл бұрын
suits my needs i think, i may have to try it, funny, your post install program list is very similar to mine, i would include Thunderbird, love the videos
@jeffdingle9677
@jeffdingle9677 Жыл бұрын
A very informative video about an interesting concept. I wonder whether the team behind Vanilla OS are looking to extend their new idea into ARM and in particularly to the Raspberry Pi 400 and others. Could be interesting in the future should they ever pursue it.
@abageigy
@abageigy Жыл бұрын
Never failed to entertain me, thank you Chris 😊
@giovanni.tirloni
@giovanni.tirloni Жыл бұрын
Thanks for these great videos, much appreciated
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, most appreciated.
@marie-noellebaechler1433
@marie-noellebaechler1433 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. A new, more secure, distribution is something very interesting. Maybe, it may make sense to run a few tests with it in order to see how much more secure it really is.
@AMDRADEONRUBY
@AMDRADEONRUBY Жыл бұрын
Ah finally my favorite day is there Explaining Computers day! Every Sunday Is my favorite day
@oliverhale85
@oliverhale85 Жыл бұрын
Ditto!
@humilulo
@humilulo Жыл бұрын
thank you. very interesting! i've never heard of an immutable OS before.
@perrymcclusky4695
@perrymcclusky4695 Жыл бұрын
I don’t believe that I’ve heard of “immutable” distros before. I wonder how effective they are. I wouldn’t mind you covering this distro again if its next release is impressive. Looking forward to your next video!
@rexsceleratorum1632
@rexsceleratorum1632 Жыл бұрын
Technically Android is a Linux distro and it is immutable. Complete with an (optional) A/B partition scheme since Android 7.
@perrymcclusky4695
@perrymcclusky4695 Жыл бұрын
@@rexsceleratorum1632 It will be interesting to see if immutable distributions continue to become more popular.
@GeordiLaForgery
@GeordiLaForgery Жыл бұрын
This is fascinating thanks for sharing. Will be giving it a try someday soon.
@m8harry
@m8harry Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! More fantastic content. Thankyou very much. Chris would you consider for future Linux videos or a special stand alone video looking at using the steam gaming platform and the steam proton for running Windows only steam games on Linux. Many thanks for your amazing channels
@Davysguru
@Davysguru Жыл бұрын
I have been watching you for a looooong time, why are you not getting old??
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
Oh, I am getting old! :) Thanks for watching.
@jonathanleach3914
@jonathanleach3914 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Certainly interested in an immutable OS. Thanks v much
@srtcsb
@srtcsb Жыл бұрын
Very nice Chris. Thanks for another great video.🙂👍
@doctorsocrates4413
@doctorsocrates4413 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely superb video,thank you chris..I am so tempted to give this a whirl on my real drive..
@arthurhackman3229
@arthurhackman3229 Жыл бұрын
Great video Chris my try Vanilla os on some new incoming hardware namely a Pinetab2 when it shows up!
@5argetech56
@5argetech56 Жыл бұрын
Nice OS! 😊 I could see myself using it as a daily driver. I really like the Bullet proof concept of it as well.
@zwqcv3jc
@zwqcv3jc 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for a great explanation of Vanilla. It reminds me how many nice advances have been made in Linux since my first introduction many years ago. At that time, Linux was a challenge to use. No longer!
@tonystorcke
@tonystorcke Жыл бұрын
A nice video. I would have wanted to see installation of appimages and Arch packages just to see how well that would function.
@MrBobWareham
@MrBobWareham Жыл бұрын
VERY NICE REVIEW AS ALWAYS LOVELY JUBBLY!!
@MichelMorinMontreal
@MichelMorinMontreal Жыл бұрын
Greetings! This is a very relevant concept both in terms of digital security and in terms of support for Linux beginners; one can learn by tinkering without being afraid of making the system crash... Definitely brilliant! An approach that should be democratized on all distros? And why not! Thank you for this excellent presentation. 👍
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
I did not consider beginners being protected from causing problems -- a very good point. :)
@MichelMorinMontreal
@MichelMorinMontreal Жыл бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers I certainly can't generalize and apply the label "crash risk" to all new Linux users, obviously... But as far as I'm concerned, I have a very envious score of having to reinstall Linux distros!
@Reziac
@Reziac Жыл бұрын
Useful information as always! I find it useful to always check dark mode... often it doesn't work right, and for me that's a no-go.
@AhmadAliff
@AhmadAliff Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video as always!
@ratinatrap7815
@ratinatrap7815 Жыл бұрын
Aaaah now I understand what an immutable system is. Perfectly explained, thank you. If they do get around to having a dock function think I'd definitely install as my daily driver.
@iWisp360
@iWisp360 7 ай бұрын
you have to install dash to dock gnome extension and you are done
@brianwood5220
@brianwood5220 Жыл бұрын
Looks very interesting, I just might give that a go myself. Thanks for sharing.
@johnsnyder4379
@johnsnyder4379 Жыл бұрын
Over a year ago, I began using an immutable distro - NixOS. It has performed flawlessly.
@GP-MB-Baden-WurttembergDeutsch
@GP-MB-Baden-WurttembergDeutsch Жыл бұрын
I used to run long time Fedora 20 and I can see it is straight forward easy to install Vanilla OS. We are in a world nothing is 100% secure. Thank you for awesome video I really appreciate 😊 😉
@jayrowe6473
@jayrowe6473 Жыл бұрын
Looks great! I'll have to give it a try.
@ardithconley2628
@ardithconley2628 Жыл бұрын
Great video thanks for sharing the cool stuff.
@samyabdel112
@samyabdel112 Жыл бұрын
very interesting indeed, would be great as a daily driver but i think chris is right still need a few improvements so i guess we'll see how it goes... great video. loved it.
@pavan13
@pavan13 Жыл бұрын
Vanilla OS looks beautiful and great video btw
@IEnjoyCreatingVideos
@IEnjoyCreatingVideos Жыл бұрын
Great video Chris! Thank you for sharing it with us!😎💖👍JP
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
No problem 👍
@IEnjoyCreatingVideos
@IEnjoyCreatingVideos Жыл бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers 😎
@retropuffer2986
@retropuffer2986 Жыл бұрын
Yes on the immutable question you posed at the end.
@SandroSashz
@SandroSashz Жыл бұрын
In this video you were more fun than usual. :)
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
I did enjoy making this video! :)
@MichaelSmith-us9ch
@MichaelSmith-us9ch Жыл бұрын
Thank you Chris.This looks like being my next distro to try. I began a few years ago with SUSE before it became 'open' but a windows update screwed up the dual boot and I lost everything. An OS that resists corruption is right up my street.
@markconger8049
@markconger8049 Жыл бұрын
Might want to wait a bit. They just announced they are switching to a Debian base instead of Ubuntu. Of course, you can try it out in the current Ubuntu version but I wouldn't get cozy with it since they are switching. I'm excited about their switch to Debian.
@tytrvd
@tytrvd Жыл бұрын
This is a great one ! Chris
@chuckmuckamuck8001
@chuckmuckamuck8001 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic presentation, thank you.
@jyoung-dj1zr
@jyoung-dj1zr Жыл бұрын
I will say I am curious about the possibilities of an immutable operating system. I was not sure how it would work for me personally, but after this presentation, it has really demonstrated that I had a few ideas about immutable distros that were either out of date or just incorrect. I don't know that I would recommend using it on something like a cheap laptop with a 64 GB eMMC because of that need for a second 20 GB root partition, but it has clearly demonstrated what ever negative impression I had about an immutable distro is just plain wrong. Thank you for the great video!
@John.0z
@John.0z Жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of an immutable OS. Especially with the method of verifying the updates the way Vanilla does. What I did not appreciate was that my old Windows CE PDA was "immutable". Of course so were the ROM BIOS elements of the DOS for all the old 8088 PCs. But that was not done in the interests of providing greater security.
@bobwong8268
@bobwong8268 Жыл бұрын
Dear John, 👍👍👍 Greetings. Wow... that brings back some fond childhood memories with my first PC - XT8088 compatible. Was recommended to "upgrade" to "IBM" ROMBIOS to get a special version of BASIC in the ROM. So that it can run certain extra programs. I was very new to computing then and not too sure what the upgrade did for me... perhaps allow me to run IBM PC DOS. I still missed those days... 4.77mhz, 256k ram, 2x5.25" floppy, no harddisk, CGA monitor. Was it 9pin 80col dot-matrix printer? No rodent needed 😊. Thanks again & best wishes to you & Chris!
@joeg3950
@joeg3950 Жыл бұрын
I may try it as a VM at first. My attachment to Linus Mint and Fedora is strong. We’ll see. Thank you for the video. Cheers!
@Colin_Ames
@Colin_Ames Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, as always.
@ryanmiller6887
@ryanmiller6887 Жыл бұрын
Great Video, Subbed!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@zbigniewkrajewski7536
@zbigniewkrajewski7536 Жыл бұрын
Still using Pop OS and Solus, but may give this one a try. Thanks Chris! :)
@kencreten7308
@kencreten7308 Жыл бұрын
I'm feeling very immutable after this great vid! :)
@mirkob1
@mirkob1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for talking about Vanilla OS!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
It is a cool distro.
@m3uec
@m3uec Жыл бұрын
Good video, I really enjoyed watching.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
Great to her!
@c0mput3
@c0mput3 Жыл бұрын
another great video Chirs! very interested in these immutable operating system not necessary as a desktop replacment but use as a server/network appliance. I would be very interested in ARM builds of this, could be a very useful seeing an Android immutable version to help protect consumers phones.
@rexsceleratorum1632
@rexsceleratorum1632 Жыл бұрын
Android is already immutable. More so than this, with locked bootloaders.
@sarahdaviscc
@sarahdaviscc Жыл бұрын
V interesting - first I've heard of immutable operating systems.
@poppabearskitchen1769
@poppabearskitchen1769 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this information.
@PrinceAlberts
@PrinceAlberts Жыл бұрын
This is a very interesting operating system. I’m going to have to look into whether it will run on arm.
@danielpicassomunoz2752
@danielpicassomunoz2752 Жыл бұрын
One of the clearest reviews!
@chrismorgan441
@chrismorgan441 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thank you for the video.
@g-r-a-e-m-e-
@g-r-a-e-m-e- Жыл бұрын
Thanks! It reminded me of Z88s which I still use occasionally. With those the operating system, and indeed basic applications too, are in ROM. Makes it very fast.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
Wow! I remember those machines. :)
@tonykeltsflorida
@tonykeltsflorida Жыл бұрын
no tiny stone goblins. I have been so locked into Linux Mint 21.1 that I wouldn't want to change to any other distro. Good video .
@sbc_tinkerer
@sbc_tinkerer Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a wonderful introduction to immutable OSes in Vanilla OS. I do agree with you about G(uh)NOME. In an effort to keep things "clean" options are either hidden or not there. Needing to install another program, Tweaks and now also Extensions to get the OS setup for what the general user is used to is a bit annoying. This is why I prefer a different DE (desktop environment) such as KDE or Cinnamon. Luckily, Linux distros offer the options. Be well my friend!
@jlinkels
@jlinkels Жыл бұрын
The developers try to imitate Microsoft Windows too well. If users are used to certain features, those should be removed or at least made invisible in the next update.
@sbc_tinkerer
@sbc_tinkerer Жыл бұрын
@@jlinkels why?
@jlinkels
@jlinkels Жыл бұрын
@@sbc_tinkerer That is what I ask myself. I agreed with you "options are either hidden or not there" That is what Microsoft does with each Windows update.
@mechamania
@mechamania Жыл бұрын
To be fair, GNOME has _something_ to do with tiny, stone goblins, because, as George Carlin reminds us, acronyms are only abbreviations that spell words - not just any set of letters, such as “NASA,” because that wasn’t already a word. So, ”GNOME” is only an “acronym” because it’s an abbreviation that spells a word, and that word describes tiny, stone goblins. Otherwise-if not for those goblins-it would just be an abbreviation, not an acronym... lol That said, yet another incredible, informative, and well-produced video from a seemingly endless font of amazing work, Chris! It seems you’ve made elegant, inspired, educational content about every relevant, modern, computer-related question there is...
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
:)
@anielrivera7977
@anielrivera7977 Жыл бұрын
my 2nd Os i ever tried after Zorin :),also gamer friendly/heavy distro aswell
@LunaticEdit
@LunaticEdit Жыл бұрын
You are somehow both the least and most coolest nerd on the internet. Hats off to you, good sir.
@AllensTrains
@AllensTrains Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, Another breathless review of a new distro in your inimitable style. There are a few things that come to mind. First, it would be helpful if you show what hardware you used for this demonstration, and secondly it would be useful if you said what the minimum hardware requirements were, as the advantage of LInux is that it can be installed on older hardware! The third thing, is I would like you to do a practical test of creating a document and obtain a printout. If a printout can be taken on an old dot matrix printer, inkjet or laser printer, then so much the better. If there are no options for taking a printout, then it's not so clever! Thanks for uploading.
@praveenkakkuzhiyil1693
@praveenkakkuzhiyil1693 Жыл бұрын
Great video sir really informative thank you very much love from India
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
Greetings from the UK. :)
@McTroyd
@McTroyd Жыл бұрын
I've actually used immutable OSes for over a decade without realizing what they are. Lots of commercial appliances use the same approach. Off the top of my head, managed Ethernet switches work in a similar fashion for updates. (There isn't often any check the update applied successfully, but if you have console access, it's easy enough to go back to the previous version.) I've worked with some video processing equipment that does this as well. Barring major hardware failure, it seems like this is the best way to maintain overall uptime, even if it does increase the necessity for reboots. I would love to see a microkernel architecture become popular, so we can have all of the continuous uptime, but still keep our platform up to date. Coupled with something like Intel's canceled Optane memory in place of DRAM, one could have a computer keep its uptime _through a power outage._ Good luck using it though. 😅👍
@litebkt
@litebkt Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. It has some interesting features. I’m well known for tinkering and breaking things.
@robertfletcher3421
@robertfletcher3421 Жыл бұрын
This looks very interesting. I would like Chris to run this for a while and report back. My experience of installing a new OS has had problems. Let's see how it goes.
@paataseturidze8723
@paataseturidze8723 Жыл бұрын
Realy interesting video about interesting linux os, wating for more about this distro for as every day use as specific usage. sorry for my english :):):)
@SaneGhoul
@SaneGhoul Жыл бұрын
First time I heard of immutable distros was when the Steam Deck was about to come out. I have been very interested in a good, well supported immutable Linux distro since then, and am still hoping for SteamOS to become officially available. I have not used Linux that long, but at least a few times I made some sort of mistake that broke everything and I had to spend the rest of the day trying to figure out a fix without losing all my data. I dislike Windows enough to deal with Linux's quirks, but that is not true for most people. I wish more distros made it the default to be immutable, and if you really want full control you can toggle it off. Design your distro for the average Joe, but leave some toggles in advanced settings or something for the folks that get all sweaty for total OS control.
@billywallace1360
@billywallace1360 Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris. I think your best videos are the ones that make me wander off down internet rabbit holes reading up the topic, or installing software to have a play with things. This video does both. The reading part has led me to think about installing an immutable OS on a RasPi using Kairos. I'm wondering if immutability leads to fewer writes to SD cards implying more reliability, of if rewriting 20GB root partitions and updating entire containers means more writes. Don't know yet. Got to go play!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Жыл бұрын
Now I have to checkout Kairos! :)
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