Vanilla WoW - What Class Should You Pick?

[@UghieYucky]

0:50 Warrior 6:20 Hunter 9:54 Rogue 13:19 Priest 15:55 Mage 19:51 Warlock 22:54 Druid 25:19 Shaman 27:26 Paladin

[@haydenpoyfair8401]

Arraya thank you

[@UghieYucky]

:)

[@Karou812]

Best comment hands down

[@sandrothegreat7171]

Where is Death Knight or Demon Hunter ?????????????

[@PuReAFROz]

Sandro The Great is this ironic

[@jedim1ndfux619]

I remember this invincible Pally that would show up with 4 Alliance friends at low level questing zones and kill all the low levels until a large enough Horde party would show up to battle them out of the zone. I was a level 60 Tauren druid with decent gear, I had been heavily focused on PvP and knew what I was doing. It seemed like months that this clan would terrorize our horde lands and my friends and our small Guild would show up to push them out. We knew each one of them by their in game name and I'm sure they knew of us, as we would always be there to challenge them when they had their way with our lands. Most of our battles we would have them out numbered 2:1(with the help of the low level locals who were high enough level not to get "one shot") and we rarely ever had the satisfaction of killing this invincible pally and his pocket healer priest. My point is that you should go into Vanilla Wow with a fresh mind; uncertain of which spec/class is best. I don't want to go into a brand new classic WoW and see 10 copy paste's of the "Meta Warrior Build." I was a "Oomkin", its kind of funny how I was never aware of this nickname as a "Bomkin". This OP paladin was Protection. Don't let other players define what spec/role you need to play based on your class. Better to be an "Oomkin" than a "Meta Slave" in my opinion. What made vanilla wow great was all the experimentation because NO ONE knew what was the best spec/class because game balance was always shifting. Who would suspect that a prot pally and a boomkin would meet nearly every night in glorious PvP across Azeroth. It seems that every video I watch about "Which class should you pick" seems to be a copy and paste from the last video I watched. Seriously these classic WoW content creators are just feeding off each other. Don't fall into the meta slave mentality, be the best staff wielding warrior in WoW. I look forward to hearing your tales of heroism. Stay unique, think for yourself!

[@kriddius]

Well said! I levelled 1-60 as a holy priest twice as fast as my friend's rogue simply by being more efficient with my levelling route and grabbing so much more dungeon groups than he could find. Skill trumps meta or those videos of naked rogues beating everyone 1V1 in pvp wouldn't exist.

[@lanvalalba2230]

Brilliant post.

[@Elenrai]

This is why I intend to go hunter, I will be that cross eyed asshole that insists on doing E V E R Y T H I N G. When people ask "can you tank?" the answer will be; Yes.. xD

[@laner.845]

This is an epic story and a perfect example of why Classic is everything that I need in a video game. I don't plan to PvP, but I dang sure plan to eat popcorn and watch while others do. ^_^ And who knows, maybe I'll fall into an unplanned PvP session in STV on my PvE server anyway. If I do, you can bet your bottom dollar that I'll be specced how *I* like and not how the internet tells me to. If that means no raiding, then it means no raiding. I'm in it to have fun my way, not the min/max way.

[@metouw]

I do agree that one of the brilliant things about vanilla WoW were the culture surrounding the casual players. They did whatever they found fun and meaningful and somehow had to make it work, because they didn't know any better. But in my opinion there's also a downsite to this behavior/approach. On one hand it's cool to see variety and on the other hand it's frustrating to count on others that doesn't manage to deliver the full potential of a raidspot or even just their class. To me vanilla WoW was extremely fun, but also very much reliant on the results you could create. I didn't really have fun while farming, leveling or most of the time I was raiding (it was more like a job/chores you needed to do), but it was all worth it because it enabled me to get an advantage in PvP which were the core motivation for me to play WoW back then. The better your gear were, the more fun you had in PvP. So if I possessed the knowledge that the main reason I couldn't get my gear was because we had 10-15 goof specs in the raid which made it impossible to kill a boss... it would p*** me off. As long as the odd ones doesn't drag me down, I love having them around in the game because it makes the experience that much more... "full circle". So yeah.. I don't know. I guess I agree but also I guess the casuals and the "hardcore" should't raid together (breaking news *cough*) :p Btw even though I didn't really enjoy farming it was still, by far, one of the very things that made vanilla WoW so good. If you wanted to be among the best, you had to work your god damn butt off to become just that. The pain of forming a group for UBRS back in the day... it could take hours just to find a full group and get them all into the dungeon and what would your reward be? If you're lucky you walk away with a rare item, lol. Damn that's brutal, but so much more rewarding when you finally reach your goal. Back in the days where a single epic item would make people in the capitals turn their heads. The good ol' days ;-D I'm gonna try out WoW classic for sure but I'm very sceptical as to how the experience will be for me. As you mention the players were much more innocent in that no one really knew what the best spec etc. were. We all had our opinions, but most where not based too much on facts. We have learned and evolved a lot as players and as a community since then, hence the game will not be as explorative as it was. The meta slave route will most likely be much more present in wow classic compared to vanilla. I'm very curious as to how big of a factor it will turn out to be for my experience. Hopefully I will enjoy Classic WoW as much as I did back in the days with vanilla. To me it's still the best game I've ever played.

[@brandonboss6868]

I'm leveling warrior again. Because I hate myself.

[@claytonreed3745]

I leveled a few toons to 60 on alli side when I started playing (mostly solo since the guild was focused on endgame gearing and I unfortunately overlapped their grind times with my online time for leveling). Warrior was painful to level on alli side. Undead warrior was one of the fastest grinds to about 52ish if I remember correctly. It was stupid how useful cannibalize was when leveling and eating your defeated pvp opponent was ver nice.

[@khmergodhobbies]

myfirst 60 was warrior. this time...i'll roll warrior again because arms.

[@khmergodhobbies]

@@Armin-ez4fl the level 30 whirlwind weapon quest line is the epitome of rite of passages

[@TheOptionist]

amen@@khmergodhobbies

[@SimonRobeyns]

i got to 36 on nostalrius, took me a loooot of effort, pain and dying to get the whirlwind axe from the quest with some help and actually start doing some damage. It's a huge pain in the ass for sure don't think i'll level one again haha

[@j.m.v.c2899]

Server first .. Druid tank -- Ony --- ZG --- Bwl --- AQ -- Nax … So you can be a tank .. but you have to pull your guilds leg and sell your soul for the gear you need

[@CvntyRegirock]

Remember guys it's also very important to choose which class to pick FIRST. Getting to 60 with an easy class like warlock or hunter can be very helpful as you can choose to funnel greens to your alt warrior in all his gear-dependent glory for a much easier leveling process.

[@simonmartel8]

Yeah, and since you don't care about this character so much, you can give him double gathering, keeps your mats, and use them to power level the professions of the characters you actually care about. That was pretty much my plan.

[@benjaminghazi787]

I think you just solved all my dilemmas. Warlock it is to funnel to rogue.

[@Aelendris]

The sword on the back of the ret paladin at the end is Calamity's Edge from Mount Hyjal raid in Burning Crusade. His cloak from what I can tell is also from the Sunwell raid in The Burning Crusade. :)

[@Inane5533]

It's Cataclysm's Edge from Archimonde, TBC, Caverns of Time is the raid location. Calamity's Edge is the HFC version, from WoD

[@Tenobaal88]

@@Inane5533 Wrong, it's wow.gamepedia.com/The_Untamed_Blade because he's talking about classic.

[@alexcept1onal560]

Stephan Schmitt Its very obviously Cataclysms Edge from tbc not sure how you are unable to see that.

[@Tenobaal88]

@@alexcept1onal560 Okay, you're right. I thought it's Untamed Blade because he's wearing BWL stuff.

[@impatus]

I leveled as a dwarf priest in vanilla. i had never any problems getting dungeons when leveling up. from lvl 50+ i usualy got whispered all day long everyday for dungeons. at 60 i got asked for raids all the time as well.

[@evang7954]

Can confirm. Undead priest. They wouldn't leave me alone. Even offering gold. Which I gladly took.

[@CaffeineDoughnuts]

I wanna play a priest, have always been interested by it. Only class I’ve never played. I’m worried I won’t enjoy it as much as warlock though

[@veng3r663]

So in other words play a Balance Druid to avoid Raid invites ?? Got it..! ;)

[@luniers4629]

I play priest and mage on retail on horde side, druid/hunter on Alliance. Would be cool to see what they were like in the past. I'll prob go priest for healing and mage.

[@neromax4424]

If you enjoy being a healbot ok

[@Hyxtrem]

you can add to your video this : Alliance side, cause of Blessing of Salvation, you can be ShadowPriest when AQ40 is open cause of T2.5 stuff and others things. The reason is with a roster with at least 4 lock (mine is 6 lock), the debuff you bring on boss which is +15% shadow damage taken is too huge to pass off.

[@TheProphet49]

Combat Rogue 100%. I played hunter, mage, pally and combat rogue in vanilla and BC. Combat sword rogue with a Hand of Justice trinket (and windfury if horde), you would sometimes see a hit trigger a hit, trigger a hit, trigger a hit and your dps would spike to insane levels. My white damage was higher than our fury warrior raid dps.

[@interwebjedi]

TheProphet49 same. T2 + windfury i was doing 25% of raid dps back in the day. Didnt see that again til icecrown on a ret.

[@Grumahr]

25% raid dmg? ok bro ...

[@interwebjedi]

Designated arms warrior. Allowed to roll deep wounds. T2 5set + non normalized rage + windfury + WW. Yeah, I could aoe.

[@WeallAreAdults]

all you guys are dreaming probably never raided in Vanilla

[@Aenygma_]

I'm gonna be a Night Elf Mohawk.

[@casualwowfarmer9897]

imma ret pvp like a boss, also wanna say this is one of the best if not best vanilla guides i have seens , your talking calmly so ppl can understand what your saying and detailed about every class, very good 10/10 good sir

[@Boatesy]

blue cats who shit in your cheerios?

[@sweetcheex]

@blue catslol wtf

[@Mmmm_tea]

is it accurate though ? like I see people over on the official classic forums claim that every hybrid spec is dps viable due to people having played the game on pservers for years and figured it out?

[@dyinhope6840]

ret pvp like a boss in vanilla...thats fuckin laughable.

[@RubixNinja]

Warriors are fine for raids... you can find a guild who needs a tank Or you can be dps... they are viable for either. You are in a much better spot than some classes.

[@chipmanman1]

Warriors go from top dps in the first raid to second dps in the last raid, automatically making them as viable as dps. How could you not want several of the class that has the arguably best dps in the first two major raids. Also there are several raid fights where you need like multiple warriors iirc aside from 4 horsemen. It's true that a position such as main tank often fell to the GL or high ranking officer, but that still leaves a couple tanking positions as well as great dpsers. As far as warriors go in pvp, sure you can lose several matchups 1v1, but in group pvp nothing really ever seemed as broken to me than a t3 warrior holding the flag with a flock of fury and arms warriors getting healed by 3 to 6 healers. Like how on earth do you kill the flag carrier with that sustained healing, damaged, and mitigation.

[@beckykarenson6001]

he's gonna role a warrior and just doesn't want others too

[@BlvckDivmondYT]

with a druid alt

[@lincolnosiris3665]

Awful grind, hard to succeed, little to no chance of getting an endgame raiding slot? Warrior it is!

[@nickreffner4574]

Lincoln Osiris yeah getting in as dps will be easy. Tank is another story..

[@Kyle-ys8ot]

Yuh undead mage

[@rossdavis428]

@0:50-6:19 I started playing a Warrior just before Burning Crusade came out and found it to be exhilarating. It was the thrill of riding the Risk-Versus-Reward spectrum; summarized as dealing DMG and receiving DMG in order to obtain the Rage resource necessary for using Active Skills. As I became more accustomed to the Warrior class, I soon learned that the key to being an effective Warrior was properly managing the Rage resource during battle. I found it was best to train myself to not spam Active Skills unnecessarily; otherwise I would end up wasting Rage. Timing was important too; knowing when to use Active Skills like Thunder Clap, Rend, Overpower, etc. is invaluable in the journey to becoming a top tier Warrior. In conclusion, Warrior is a great class to play if you can react well to ever-changing situations~ On that note, a word of warning: Beware of getting _kited_ by spell-casters who can use movement impairing spell effects. Scenarios like that can ruin your day rather quickly~ I speaking from personally experience of dealing with those darn Frost Mages and Affliction Warlocks... They are quite dangerous when outside of a Warrior's combat range~

[@Pumpkinhead2400]

The paladin is holding Cataclysm's Edge btw. Not Ashkandi

[@Achille12345]

Playing on a private server is a waste of time to be honest, I wasted almost a whole year of my life leveling and gearing up 4 level 60 on Nostalrius back when it was still up and I lost everything, since then I just cannot enjoy playing private server anymore I always have this though. (I might lose this character tomorrow) that haunt me. I just hope blizzard will release their classic servers soon so I can play without worrying seeing my characters wipe out.

[@martinpejic8140]

I got good news for you bud

[@Bongoslam]

On all the servers that I have run Census on, level 60 warriors average out at 15% of all classes, same with rogues. It's not as bad as people keep saying. Mages on the other hand are often above 25% of the total level 60 population, while Warlocks are usually 7-8%.

[@DeusExDraconian]

Just don't make undead mages. Too many undead mages.

[@L4kken]

And only other Mage option is Troll, which is ugly as all hell!

[@ionracas8743]

You don't need Will of the Forsaken if you're good enough :^^^)

[@grumpyraytv7778]

Handsome Orc this is for the simple fact of RP mages always die

[@poopjeans1135]

Not when WoW first launched. The were changed from Undead to the Forsaken. When the game classified them as Undead, All of the Paladin's abilities affected them, including the big hitters Exorcism and Holy Wrath. Also, since Turn Undead specifically feared "Undead" Will of the Forsaken couldn't override it.

[@IkaikaArnado]

Haha, if vanilla has the of 30 second wotf then people would be dumb not to roll an undead mage.

[@guy8528]

It brings back good memories to hear someone talk about the good old days of WoW. I may have to check it out.

[@TheL1ch_]

Ferals are pretty good and fun endgame you get that Wolfshead Helm and you can do decent dps , also you can tank most dungeons at 60 as a druid

[@jamesclayton4378]

the rotation is just obnoxious and clunky.... druid was pretty stiff back then. its like he said "shoehorned to healing" which they are exceptional at but they perhaps didnt put alot of development time or didnt have the game design experience yet to really flesh the classes other specs out. Still fun to see and experience the origins of a great class.

[@TheL1ch_]

James Clayton druid is grat in vanilla as i had a 4 piece t2 3 piece t1 druid on emerald dream at the time for me they have the most specs they can play , people think that cause something aint as good as something else its shit , ive done everything but tank a raid as a druid becaise the gear doesnt allow me to but you can tank dungeons you can heal you can be a competitive dpa in raids woth the wolfshead helm , the only downside is you wont be innervating a healer , balance druids are also good if you put in the time to farm alot of consumables.and dont mind spamming starfire also you can heal in some situations that need you to so its ok to have 1-2 in the raid , resto is the strongest spec indeed but you dont have to go resto . No one is going for world firsts so jus need to find a nice guils or form your own

[@FoRs1GhT]

Ferals also immune to polymorph *cough* zul'gurub *cough*

[@Sanbas87]

Just watched this vid because of the blizzard classic servers and getting nostalgia flowing. I liked it and brought back memories. I rally love the modern day pala. I rerolled to hunter in vanilla because of the show leveling. I will play ons in vanilla for sure,different mindset over the jaars. Amyways, again, i liked the vind!

[@GamecockRock90]

Warrior was the first character I created.... got it to lvl 46 in Vanilla and I think 48 during BC.

[@Kenzikins]

This video is so great! I didn't get to play vanilla, I started in BC, and I am beyond excited to go back and experience it and see old Azeroth. This is super helpful because I know that between vanilla and BC there were so many changes to classes and races so I wasn't sure where to start until now! Thanks dude :)

[@DVSPress]

BC is when most specs finally became good, rather than things like boomkin (oomkin) being always a weird "off-spec."

[@Metalhammer1993]

Paladin is just fun. you can do nothing in any category, but in early game a paladin is a great tank due to it´s heals and it does acceptable damage. sure it´s useless in the highlevel areas, but for me that´s okay. i know i deserve death for this blasphemy but i want to have fun pre 60. I know that everything below 60 is seen/meant as just the necessary grind. but if i have to grind 400h before i´m officially allowed to have fun. f that. SO i´ll just play my low level paladin up to 60 and if he get´s boring/frustrating okay. Warlock however is just funny. i don´t know what it was, but it just was a blast especially in early levels.

[@ohdannyboy6801]

one of the best parts about vanilla was that 1-59 was actually fun. After TBC all the leveling from 1-max area got ridiculously boring.

[@Inarius19]

they are the best healers in MC and Naxx, better than warriors tanks in 5 mans (even at 60) and they rek face in pvp... yes they really do.

[@MatthewTheUntitled]

Pally is basic attacker..

[@ronniehollingsworth6289]

Clothidan flash 1 spammer as a MT healer...

[@Laureasairon]

Cool description and video. Just want to add that even though some specs "weren't viable" doesn't mean that there is no possible way you can pvp or raid with one. There are guilds willing to accept those specs and their progression isn't utter shyte (of course there's gonna be 1 or 2 of each "deviations" per raid, not all of them). Have fun, see what works and what doesn't. Play whatever you want, otherwise we'll all be warriors, priests, hunters and rogues. Cheers!

[@shathriel]

Warlocks had great class quests, you do a lot of travelling, not just to collect your demons but also some nice gear and the lvl 60 mount, though farming stuff in WS could be maddening and of course in pvp rogues were a b*****

[@Havak37]

Kinda ran outta words by the time you got to paladin and talking about painful leveling, like waiting for auto attack to slowly kill things, but having heal in case you pulled too many mobs and you could slowly grind through them self healing. Really good video, I was a newb in vanilla and I don't remember that much/didn't know it at the time.

[@zycane]

Played warrior(Tauren) as main and MT/OT/DPS in vanilla, I can certainly agree with how gear dependent Warrior was, it was one of the classes that required you to initially see it as a second job, for farming for arcanite reaver, and other initial tanking/pvp/pve gear, running certain instances 24/7 in hope of getting that special gear part, while prepping for MC raid, which our guild was one of the few able to defeat before it was nerfed and put on auto farm mode, same with BWL, best times ever, AQ40 was hell though. I also played Druid(feral OP in TBC!), which became my main in TBC, and MT there as well, our group in the guild we were in, were the karazhan raid keys enablers(for raid access quest to the other 25 raids), as we killed off both the dragon and Malchezaar(extreme fast and heavy hitting at final stage, only well built feral druids could survive this, other strats were trying to kiting him) before they were nerfed and they were needed for raid keys, for Eye (Tempest keep) raid. Am I looking forward to classic WoW? Both yes and no, my inner child and gamer, is screaming "yes!", the concerned for getting addicted and who has other stuff I need do, is screaming, "oh god, no, pls!"

[@MrConstiii]

Loved the video, exactly what i came for! Soothing way of bringing across your information aswell so thanks a lot!

[@ryanmchugh3585]

Cataclysms edge outta hyjal 70

[@DVSPress]

Thanks

[@xgetxsickx]

Roll nightelf warrior ---> hit level 10 --> jump/stance dance --> fall in love with warrior --> find out about stealthed charges --> have more fun

[@CIkler]

I miss the days when Paladins got crit mana return. I was sadface when they nerfed that.

[@captainthrall]

hey man, great video... It's nice to hear the low-down from someone who knows wtf they're talking about. When you described how miserable it is leveling up as a warrior in vanilla it almost brought a tear to my eye. There were so many times that I died just because I accidentally pulled 2 mobs - exactly like you described.

[@HearItHereFirstTV]

Your voice is classic wow asmr , i aspire to get to your level as a speaker and audio production, that aside great info man thank you so much

[@Xyzyshi]

I raided as a rogue in vanilla and the best build for a long time, until Naxx dropped and it became combat maces, was Coldblooded Preparation daggers for damage and combat for more control. The hardest part about rogue though as a CBP dagger rogue is managing agro though, I can't count the number of times that I either came close to or accidentally pulled ago blowing up on bosses with tanks who were less geared or skilled than our main tanks. This being said my guild leader was pretty chill as far as our MC group and I was told a number of times that I could go ham once we'd moved beyond MC as a guild for the most part and it was also a big reason that myself and other rogues in our raid guild were asked to push our newer warriors to see if they could manage holding agro against high damage. Rogue was also amazingly fun in PvP simply because of their ability to fight almost anyone even their counter classes which is warrior mostly.

[@DVSPress]

Someone who gets it! People think I'm crazy when I say Rogue can beat any matchup. Best part about Rogue if you can avoid any matchup you don't want.

[@Xyzyshi]

@@DVSPress I don't know that I'd say they were the strongest 1v1 as much as that rogue players were exceptionally dedicated to perfecting their gameplay. A majority of the rogue players I knew during vanilla never played alts and their only character was rogue after they started playing it. A big part of this was because rogue also had many different specs that were viable in PvP and PvE (Until you were in AQ40/Naxx then it was kinda important you were the highest DPS possible for the class). This may have been one of the reasons rogues appear to be stronger than many of the other classes since it allowed them to counter a wide variety of other classes with different builds.

[@DVSPress]

I actually think the effect is opposite - most people think rogues aren't as good as they are because there are so many bad players in the class (or were, back in the old days).

[@Xyzyshi]

David Stewart I can't argue with that statement because it is definitely true and was a huge part of why many of us were so devoted to becoming the best of the best among the community. But that did make a lot of people think the class was bad yes. Prior to 1.9 (I think it was 1.9) I would agree rogues were incredibly good, if not broken, if someone know what they were doing with macros, hello even after 1.9 they were still amazing and atleast on par with the other greats for damage and survivability in PvP for sure. 1.9 was when weapon damage got normalized and the era or 1 shot ambush builds ended. While I can say I miss the comedic value of literally killing mages and priests from full health with a single ambush; I can definitely understand the issue and am glad it was recognized and fixed.

[@chipmanman1]

Rogue players weren't higher skill on average than any other class. They had more control than anything while their cooldowns were up, and maybe slightly less than a mage or warlock when they weren't. The difference between watching a rogue pvp video back in the day and, say a paladin video, is that it looked like the rogue is doing so much more because the rogue gets to control the fight (unless caught out of stealth with a dot from 25 yards away....), whereas other players were just reacting to what the rogue was doing. Even in the fabled rogue craft videos, hombre often looks pretty bad by today's standards and only wins by spamming cooldowns vs terrible players whilst using evisceration which deal damage regardless of gear. I'd say the warrior maydie showed much better character movement, for instance. The reason that mages, warlocks and rogues had a monopoly on pvp videos, aside from warriors and their healer vids or shadow priests killing 3 under geared and rage starved warriors trying to auto attack through PWS, is that they had the ability to control not only their opponent, but another player as well. It was unique to their classes. Like how do you make a pvp video as an elemental shaman? Zoom in and focus on how you chose earthbind totem so that you could flame shock the rogue (leaving the dot) instead of frost shock? 95 percent of players wouldn't even understand the value of doing things like that back then unless you specifically explained it to them with editing. It's not hard to understand, "oh man, this dude is taking on 4 people at a time!" ...when in reality they are 4 terrible scrubs too indecisive and terrible or under geared to win. No.. you'd probably make a 2shot video as an elesham if you wanted views back then.

[@Fancypants117]

Druid is honestly the best lvling class, ya sure rogues get stealth, but so do druids and druids can also tank in that same spec and pop some heals if need be, or pop a few spells to pull better Most servers usually have a druid the first class to hit max level on almost every server, with vanilla wow and newer versions of wow Druids are amazing for leveling, and just respec to a healer once you max out But then again everyone hates healing for some reason and I don't get why it's such a hated role, instead of getting enjoyment for big damage numbers you're getting those massive healing numbers, like a reverse DPS

[@SemyProCargo]

Ardail Coffey how so? All servers I played a hunter hit 60 first...

[@towermonkey5563]

tbh the servers I was on that had druid cap first had a bugged script that allowed druid to backstab (shred) the mob in the face. When spec'd properly that produces insane dps with zero effort and zero downtime. Otherwise, yah usually a hunter is first up. Regardless druid is an easy leveling experience once you get past 20. I don't heal on druid because I suck as a healer. I have tried it on literally every class and I suck at the whack a mole game of healing. And ... it's always the healers fault, even when that idiot mage tab targetted a mob in the next group and pulled half the room to wipe that party. I do enjoy tanking on druid. I think it was probably at its best in BC but it works better than most think in vanilla as well.

[@nickrichards4773]

people hate healing because its the hardest role to play, dps just follow rotaion kill adds dodge this hit boss repeat, tanks just stand there and in current content like uldir just stand there and literally do nothing for 20-30 secs at a time then taunt. healing however there is no set rotation you need to be able to judge what spell to cast on who and when, who, what and when to dispell, who is the priority target and conserve mana. not only do this but also follow mechanics all while watching the raids health bars.

[@nickrichards4773]

and druids were only taken to raid to give inervate to the priests, priest were the only true healers everything else was a support class eg druids and pallys.

[@Melodeath00]

Wat. Druid lvling from Classic to Cata was one of the very worst in the game. Down there with Warriors and Priests. All three suffering from not really having any good spells before aroujnd lvl 40.

[@calzman]

Do you guys remember having a pally stand outside of boss fights, run in, rez someone, then run back out of aggro range? I played a priest and we had an addon that would stop you from overhealing. Man classic wow was so fun. So many little quirks made it unique.

[@Mixwell1983]

I disagree with priest.. I leveled one in vanilla and my rotation was either mind blast, sw:p and wand.. Sometimes i would just sw:p and wand with shield up. Once i was 5/5 spirit tap and +spirit stacked i wouldnt even shield. I would blast,sw:p,mindflay,wand and then toss renew depending on HP.. I rarely had to drink and i would grind for a few hours. This was before I got shadowform at 40.. Priest seemed way more of a breeze than my rogue was back then. I was suprised how much more resiliant I was. Another thing is you can easily heal 5 mans leveling up as shadow. You can carry some heal gear and swap out for 5 mans and be mindful of the mp5 rule and every now and then try to get killing blow to trigger spirit tap..

[@TheCellestiall]

Rip my ambitions of being a Thunderfury wielding MT war. Great info nontheless, now more relevant than ever, with classic on the horizon.

[@Zhurak]

I will be rolling paladin 100% in classic! It was the first class i ever played and i main one till this day. It was Diablo 2 that made me want to play one when WoW launched.

[@DVSPress]

Playing a paladin in recent xpacs really made me want to do one in vanilla again. It was a slow-burning style, especially when leveling, but you had tons of tools at max level. And judging seals was a very cool mechanic I really miss.

[@Nyarlathotep_Flagg]

Few things you should have mentioned: 1. Priest are hellish to lvl untill you get a wand, and not great after that either. You kill things half as fast as the nearby mage, and so waste much more mana. You basically kill 1-2 mobs, then you sit down to drink, because you're completely out of mana. 2. I leveled a warrior first in Vanilla, and I think the difficulties are exaggerated. Yes it is slow, but not as slow as advertised. If you do it right, if you tank when you have to get gear in instances, if you spec right, if you play right, they're considerably faster than priests overall. And significantly faster than Paladins(early), who barely have any abilities to use untill about level 20. 3. Mages can be absurd and devastating in pvp(take a gander at Vurtne for examples). And their portals are amazing, you can earn gold on making them, and you don't have to waste half an hr traveling somewhere, sometimes more(perhaps the only class that doesn't require a profession to chill out in cities and make tons of gold). Mages are also theoretically the fastest levelers, if you run a blizzard build and just farm camps. You can reach 60 in about 58-70hrs. If played right, and you aren't so unlucky about your farming spots(other players farming there) they outpace hunter. 4. Rogue's are absurd in pvp 1v1, outright devastating. You can with a little luck, insta-kill(really lock down and kill) a lvl 60 warrior, with a lvl 1 grey dagger, before they can even respond. This depends a tad on what patch we are talking, but it remains semi-true at all times either way. Your best bet facing a rogue, is the right kind of geared arms warrior, or ironically mage. Paladins can do okay, but I really would never bet on one vs a decent Rogue. 5. Shamans have the highest roof for burst damage. As proven by a particular one back in Vanilla, who proved you could chain kill, with chain lightning. Bascially every player the chain lightning hit, it killed. You could kill 5 players with it at once(it was later nerfed though, but was still pretty powerful). 6. Warlocks are fast to level, much like hunter. And you don't have to fuzz as much about your pet, and get cheap mounts for your class, just like Paladins. BUT(and this really is a giant gaping hole in the deal), Warlock's have a hellish time at 60. They have stock up on Soul Shards all time. And then you are forced to use these soul shards for the raid/group all the time. To summon people, to make soulstone's, to summon their perts, to enslave demons, to shadowburn(damage spell), to make spellstones, to make healthstones(I might be wrong about this one, but I think they required soulstones back in the day). And these soul shards fill up your bag more than hunters ammo, and quicker/pouch take up bag space for them. 7. While Priestly Dwarf's have a great ability for countering fear in raids, Humans have 10% increase to spirit. Rather significant, since Spirit works rather differently than other attributes, with an exponential increase. Makes for a hell of a lot of mana regen, which was rather significant in Vanilla. I'd say it's a toss up, as to what you should pick. They're both good for different situations. But I'd pick human, just to get that regen earlier for running dungeons(and that 10% increase to reputation, you can feel that. Perception is not that bad either, even in vanilla, assuming you're alert enough). What Dwarfs are great for though, is counter the poison of Rogue's. That is invaluable. Arms Dwarf warrior is quite possibly the best Rogue counter. On the overall, I consider this to be the ranking for race bonuses in vanilla: 1. Undead(the hands down strongest activate of all the races. Works against fear, charm and sleep, with a 2min cd) 2. Humans(the greatest amount of, and the overall most usefull racial bonuses in the game. But with a relatively weak activate. And with the majority being more focused on ease of progress. You might call the humans the "easiest" race, the one that smoothes over progress the most. But with a sligtly mediocre endgame value. On the other hand, the absolute vast majority of the game will be about that progress so... Well... Hurray for shortened reputation farming!). 3. Dwarves(slight str bonus, and 2nd best activate. 10% more armor, immune to bleed, disease and poison effects for 10 seconds). 4. Orcs(mainly for dealing damage, especially for warriors. 1-3rd strongest activate, depending upon ones perspective. Strongest burst class for Warriors. The activation is devastating for the players themselves in pvp, since it reduces the healing you recieve by 50%. Something that also makes it a tad impractical for leveling, reducing healing from such as bloodthirst, potions, first aid etc. It just for those moments when you need to hulk out, to take something down fast, or for burst damage in instances). 5. Gnome(mainly for mages, significant increase to intelligence). 6. Night Elfs(Shadowmeld is not completely useless, boosts stealth aswell. Great for running a Rogue or Druid in pvp. I'd rank this ability on par with, or slightly below perception). 7. Tauren(1-5 strongest activate, a 2sec stun. Although it is not mentioned, it takes short moment to channel this ability. Great for pvp, and certainly not useless in pve either). Tauren have the highest Stamina, and a 5% health boost. So they're the tankiest race in the game. Great for running a tanking warrior. Naxx raiders will love you adorable little horned bisons to death. 8. Trolls(3-6th strongest activation racial in the game, giving you 10-25% attack speed increase, depending on how low your health is. Good dps as hunters, with a bonus towards bows/throwing weapons).

[@liam3104]

As priest u just apply dots and wand u don't need to drink alot.

[@ryantwomey3463]

yes warrior can be gear dependant while but since you are the only viable tank getting into lvling dungeons and getting gear to make your lvling easier is super easy because you are a tank so once you get to lvl 16-17 where you can start doing deadmines or wc or even Ragefire chasm even earlier you can gear pretty easily for your lvl bracket its what i did as a warrior lvling in vanilla and i had no problems with mobs since i was decked out in blues

[@Payowow]

rogues not good in raids?!?!?!!? OFCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

[@difidifos9900]

ofc

[@brosephjames]

Weren't rogues topping the dps charts for most of vanilla. I guess it depends on the patch era.

[@mr1337viking]

Ofc 👌

[@youngkingdom8131]

I think he meant that they just aren’t really in demand for raids. For every raid, there’s 50 rogues willing to go. Leaders get to pick and choose. Warriors and rogues, though necessary for raids, are very much overpopulated. A good warlock, on the other hand, will be able to choose a raiding guild from a long list of guilds desperately seeking more warlocks.

[@maximusowo]

it all changes in the naxx patch where everyone and thier mother will want to stack rogues and warriors so even tho there will be many rogues and warriors to choose from there will be more ppl getting into raids

[@SonOfTamriel]

I was always a full-on Affliction warlock, but i haven't played since a few months in to Burning Crusade. I'm really looking forward to WoW classic though!

[@ipwnyoudiehaha]

Ahh nice, we have a lock *123 123 123 123 SUM PLOX 123123 SUM ME 123 123 SUMMON ME!!!!!*

[@robsdeviceunknown]

hahahah that had me laughing. Few will understand this.

[@AdriftForWeeks]

Oh dear, now I'm not sure if I want to play lock in vanilla again :')

[@Rohrae]

Oh gods.. flashbacks to all the time farming soulshards before every raid...

[@ItsMeTrist]

@@robsdeviceunknown Pretty much anyone who has played wow before summoning stones and even with summoning stones, and went to a single dungeon/raid will get this. It's the same with mages and conjuring food/water for half the raid since they were too cheap to bring some themselves.

[@kelteel]

I never played wow. I might now on classic as a hunter. Looking forward to it.

[@gregolson3285]

Your information on most classes left a lot to be desired.

[@NateDynamite]

The sword is Cataclysm's Edge. It drops from Archimonde in Hyjal Summit

[@jasperius1995]

I think the paladin sword is called Ashkandi :^)))))))))))))))))

[@bamboo-3125]

Can't warriors use it too?

[@DVSPress]

Hunters only

[@naquan59]

That is not a Ashkandi that picture is not even from a vanilla that is some weapon from bc or cata.

[@jasperius1995]

Totally don't get the meme xd

[@KnownAsChamp]

It's Cataclysm's Edge dropping from Archimonde in the Hyjal raid in TBC.

[@ilyska1977]

hehe yeah, I remember almost giving up on my warrior at lvl 34 in Desolace.. it was SO depressing.

[@tiCajfy]

I've played since vanilla and still play today. I'm interested in trying out Classic when they come out. But since the Classic servers were announced I've seen "everybody" making videos like this. This class is shit in this aspect.. this class can't do this.. this class has no use in raids.. if you play this class you have to play this race.. this class has to use this talent cookie cutter set.. this class this that class that..... all this is honestly almost enough to make me not want to play vanilla at all. You guys managed to take the awesome game with tons of options and specs and races and classes and just shit all over it and say "if you really wanna play vanilla you have these 3 ways to do it"...jesus just play what ever you want.. was vanilla truly so difficult that everything needs to be min maxed to the point that if you're priest on alliance for example you HAVE TO BE dwarf?????

[@nolderine]

Yes

[@DVSPress]

Would you rather I told you that a raiding guild will take your elemental shaman at 60? There's probably room for any spec if you're good enough, but it's best to have the right expectations ahead of time. The classes are waaay more unique than they are today. And fear ward is OP as hell. You always want a dwarf priest if you can have one.

[@brosephjames]

I can tell you my vanilla server first #1 guild would have insta recruited any dwarf priest for the first year of vanilla or so. Rogues on a big wait list.

[@namhoh1370]

Vanilla wow is very hard compared to retail wow now.. which made anything you do more rewarding and fun (at least for me ) but if u wanted the edge over other people u did things like choose dwarf over human or picking undead if your focus was pvp .. it wasn’t required but deff helped if you were being looked at over someone who didn’t take the time to learn which race was better for what u wanted

[@tiCajfy]

Do you still play WoW in retail now? I'd say it's not so simple as just outright saying "Vanilla is harder than retail".

[@pardingo]

I never thought I would see a video about WoW VANILLA classes and Kronos 3 and private servers by David Stewart. What is life? Pretty awesome!

[@marquestainter4131]

Rule #1 when leveling a warrior, have a pocket healer. I never had an issue leveling my warrior in Vanilla, i tanked, wife healed still slow as hell leveling in Prot tho

[@LionMartell]

Yea but with that loadout and your wife pocket healing, you’re gonna find 3 dps to grind elite dungeons with you for dayssaaa

[@neromax4424]

You level'd as Prot With your wife as a healbot L O L

[@LionMartell]

Keef Actual in vanilla it was hard to level so it’s not unusual

[@Geckomayhem]

I enjoyed the commentary. Brought back a lot of memories. The funny thing is, because you are often locked into one spec for raiding, you end up enjoying that spec - at least, I loved raiding as both a marks hunter and a frost mage. What was best about vanilla was the mmo aspect of the game. There was a sense of togetherness and being social and communal to achieve things. But who has the freedom these days to put in the time it took to actually enjoy playing? I'd love to level and do dungeons and raid - but it was a different life...

[@thenerdbeast7375]

God just thinking about only eight debuff slots AGAIN when the official Vanilla servers is going to be hell.

[@neromax4424]

Its going to be 16

[@jamesclayton4378]

nice video man! your commentary is on point and easy to follow.

[@Skyshadow1]

I remember in tbc main tanking paladin in raids was rare but an offtank paladin was always welcome..And tbh while there were the class preferences, good players could always be part of a raid no matter the spec..I was a pretty known heroic dungeon group maker in lightnings blade alliance as a warrior tank (heroics were not something to laugh about like later) and i always prefered a dps that wont die and a healer that knew how to heal over the which class was better at what. The thing that you have to keep in mind is that if you want to join content with a not-so-welcome spec, you have to be good at it. Later on at wotlk, i mained encancement shammy and was part of top raiding guilds as dps and always kept my self at 3rd-4th best dps in single target and if you learned to work on your magma totem without overaggroing, good luck to anyone trying to outdps you in aoe fights.

[@benjaminghazi787]

Skyshadow1 tbc pally is wayyyyyyy different

[@DontPaniku]

Both the new expansion and Classic are making me want to come back.

[@Zoivod]

God I miss the golden age of wow.. I may have to join u on this new server.

[@ionracas8743]

Zoivod You can't call Vanilla the golden age when it has as many quirks as it does. Vanilla was to be the testing grounds, and frankly I would call Wotlk or BC more of a golden age.

[@mjb91]

Late vanilla + BC = golden age, IMO

[@andresvaldevit3692]

Very good comprehensive guide on Vanilla classes. I was undecided between playing Mage or Warrior, I know think I'll main Mage in classic and maybe a Rogue for fun.

[@porcu12345]

Your information on Druids is just plain wrong. Ferals are actually quite good for Raiding now that players know how to powershift with the wolf helmet. They won't be top DPS but i've seen them fall anywhere from top 5 to middle of the pack depending on the Ferals gear compared to the rest of the raid. You can see it for yourself on youtube if you type in Feral BWL raid. One of them is usually brought along for their Leader of the Pack buff and put with the fury warriors/rogues. Balance druids did see play towards the end of Vanilla, one per raid like the Ferals. Once the mages spec'd into fire and started rolling ignites from AQ40 to Naxx, a Balance Druid is usually brought along to provide the 3% crit to the fire mages while also providing middle of the pack DPS (roughly 600dps depending on consumables and gear) and the utility of battle res, again, you can see that if you type in Moonkin Naxxramas Raid on youtube. Even during Vanilla, one of the top guilds was bringing along a Moonkin to their progress runs purely because of the DPS increase the aura provided to the fire mages.

[@Drummer424]

i raided feral as a tank/dps for everything in vanilla. its 100% viable but not the best like you said

[@Ipurgepeople]

Boomkins were also devestating in PVP. There's a LOT of videos around of Boomkins absolutely melting EVERYTHING in pvp aside from maybe paladins. The only thing that hit harder than Starfire was Pyroblast. Myself, I was a Warrior, and I had a pocket Boomkin healer. She would moonfire rogues and ferals, and slap rejuv on me and I would shred everything in WSG. It was glorious fun. Until that one shadow priest came along and could solo the entire alliance team.

[@joelwarren7457]

A few notes- PVE favors ally PVP favors horde, as Class/race combos are unbalanced as hell in classic. Everything is viable in world PVP, bgs, or raiding unless you are maxing out your PVP / PVE spirit. It's devastating to your opponent when you win the fight by a war stomp or a stone form. First of all, Alliance has 20 possible race/class combos, but only 13/20 of them are useful for PVP. 1 Warrior -Human 1 Paladin -Human 2 Rogue -Human/Dwarf 2 Hunter -Nightelf/Dwarf 2 Priest -Human/Dwarf 2 Warlock -Gnome/Human 2 Mage -Gnome/Human 1 Druid -Nightelf Horde However has more PVP influenced racial abilities, and there are 18/20 Viable race/class options for PVP. In saying that, they are diverse as hell. 4 Warrior -Tauren/Orc/Undead/Troll 2 Shaman -Troll(Heal/Ranged)/Orc(melee) 3 Rogue -Orc/Troll/Undead 2 Hunter -Troll/Orc 2 Priest -Troll/Undead 2 Warlock -Orc(Command)/Undead 2 Mage -Troll/Undead 1 Druid -Tauren So these are the Combos where everything seems to work well and make sense PVP wise, from a troll with bow spec to a gnome with intellect boost, each race has a comfortable set of classes it likes over others ((like Gnome - Warrior with +15 intellect)). Anyway, I'll put a list below of the comfortable classes each race loves to align with. ALLIANCE (14) Human 6 - Warrior, Paladin, Warlock, Preist, Rogue, Mage Dwarf 4 - Warrior, Priest, Hunter, Rogue Gnome 2 - Warlock and Mage Nightelf 2 - Druid and Hunter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HORDE (18) Orc 5 - Warrior, Shaman, Warlock, Hunter, Rogue Troll 6 - Warrior, Shaman, Priest, Hunter, Rogue, Mage Undead 5 - Warrior, Warlock, Priest, Rogue, Mage Tauren 2 - Warrior and Druid

[@bradc8017]

appreciate the info

[@geraldtoaster8541]

"please dont roll a female cow" ???????????

[@22louki]

I started back to 2005 playing Hunter, 13 years later with many breaks from the game i still play the same character as main. I like also Paladin,rogue and warrior

[@izidor]

S Tier: Hunter, Warlock - Hunter and Warlock can solo all even elites. No downtime. A Tier: Priest, Rogue, Mage - Priest is easy, Dot + Wand and Shield and never runs out of mana. Combat Rogue is by far the most powerful leveler ive played. Tons of ability to play with. Evasion should be used on cooldown same as Flurry etc. and you can handle 3-4 mobs without a problem. Also get maces they have extra % hit and learn Frist aid then Rogues will be Massacre monsters with no downtime at all. Mages are solid leveler but sit and drink a lot. The best thing is you pay nothing. B Tier: Druide, Shaman - Both have decent damage output and can heal themselfs but are just not as fast as the others. I even think that Shamans outperform Druides. C Tier: Paladin - Is one of the slowest leveler. His toolkit is just too low the dmg is not very good but has quiet good sustain. D Tier: Warrior - The slowest of all no doubt. If you are solo dont even bother playing it. Has bad defense, bad offens and you are in trouble if more than 2 mobs hit you. Drinking after every kill is normal. This is my own list and i played them all.

[@zihenghe7462]

I think Druid definitely much faster than Paly and Shaman as they can run faster and kill faster while leveling. they are very not gear(weapon) dependent and have very good escape. From my experience Druid is at worst A tier.

[@trebah662]

izidor IMO druid is second fastest, behind hunter.

[@towermonkey5563]

Oh I dunno, hunter definately fastest leveler But I would say druid and lock are a toss up for 2nd place. Stack stamina on lock, sac your VW and its zero downtime grinding. Bout the same for druid though. Almost depends on which has the better gear. Definitely less micro management on druid though. It tends to be rather quick once you have a bit of gear on druid, round up 3-5 mobs and swipe the hell outta them, toss a couple heals, rinse repeat.

[@Ipurgepeople]

Snarky response: If you're DRINKING on a warrior, you're doing it very, VERY, wrong. Actual response: All these vids I see on Warriors always seem to forget two VERY important things: 1. First. Aid. Literally, the SAME thing that you mentioned for Rogues applies doubly to Warriors. Fight -> Bandage -> Fight -> Bandage -> Fight -> Eat was the method I used. The third fight may need a cooldown or two depending on how many crits you receive. 2. Once you get Intercept at ~Lv33 (Because there's no damn way you can get that entire chain done at Lv30 without a group) you can PROPERLY stance dance. And let me tell you, Charge -> Rend, Hamstring -> Zerker -> Intercept Critter was EXTREMELY viable especially in high critter zones like the Plaguelands or Feralas. I used to have a macro to target nearest critter. You could kite a mob around and take out a third of its health and only take a single hit in return. IMPROVED. REND. WAS. FANTASTIC. ...For leveling. And if you managed to get a crit on your opening hit, Deep Wounds meant you could bring the mob to HALF. Of course the second point is extremely high skill play that probably only a handful of warriors were capable (and clever enough) to pull off. I myself learned from watching another player do it in Burning Steppes, seeing him solo one of those elite dragons, on a Warrior... was awe-inspiring. Even if it did take him five minutes.

[@WeAreLeviticus]

Hey man, I thumbed up this video. I did so because you gave great info and how wow was for each respective class IN DEPTH. I appreciate the knowledge and efforts dropped on this vid.

[@scottcavill4807]

"You don't get to play Feral at endgame" . ...but I had fun tanking MC,BWL(minus Nef), AQ as Feral. Ohhh I get it, you must be talking about Naxx.

[@ChimpScape]

Feral Tanking haha, reminds me of when i used to heal crazy PvP battles on my Mage

[@scottcavill4807]

Troll hard!

[@ChimpScape]

Hey, you can't tell me what to do!

[@scottcavill4807]

Troll more!

[@ChimpScape]

Errm.. Sorry friend, I'm afraid I do not know the way to the Imperial City

[@arkainjalex12]

Great video. I was a hardcore player from Vanilla to early Cata, then took a hiatus for Mists and most of WoD. I really liked Legion but it's clearly so easy and user-friendly compared to what we had to deal with in the old days. I used to play every class in Vanilla/BC/Wrath and had lots of fun experiences with each, including pvp, raiding and doing those very difficult but rewarding class quests like paladin/warlock mounts etc. I enjoy the fact that you highlight a lot of very specific and important points for each class like Warriors being super gear dependent and the way old Hunter kiting used to work (jumping 360 concussive shots ftw!) I actually watched a friend of mine conquer each of the demons for that Hunter quest and I think the game needs more stuff like that. Class-specific content, not to mention strengths and weaknesses, are really appealing to me and I'm sure a number of other players. I'm just wondering if they're going to include any "conveniences" in Classic which would make the experience a bit less authentic but probably far less frustrating as well.

[@Acesahn]

My first char from Vanilla WoW was a Night Elf resto Druid. It was nice. Tree form and all.

[@Johan.Greens]

Acesahn no treeform.

[@Acesahn]

:(

[@azur7362]

Tree form in vanilla lmao

[@jdicks4576]

Treeform was in one of the last patches that came out in preparation for TBC

[@airmanfair]

@28:00 That's actually Cataclysm's Edge from Burning Crusade. Ashkandi is red/purple and has two dragon heads for a hilt with an eyeball in the center of it.

[@youngkingdom8131]

This is probably the best vanilla class guide for endgame insight that I’ve seen in 10 years.

[@joshuajr7887]

is this the first video you've watched?

[@RopeDrink]

Lieutenant-General RopeDrink here. My first character back in vanilla was a Troll Rogue (not very common on Horde - EVERYONE was playing Undead Rogue, give or take a few Orc Rogues). I have fond memories of ZG, MC, AQ, and especially of helping a friend achieve High Warlord in BG's on his Enh-Shaman. Nothing quite like a Tauren landing 2-Handed windfury crits while decked out entirely in High Warlord gear, though PvE gear was still better overall. Many a weekend spent battling for days and days on end in Alterac Valley, or having butt-clenching WSG matches going on for an hour where both sides just want that one cap. No more of this 'resources' drivel or 'over in 5minutes' BG nonsense of today. I really can't see myself ever playing classic again despite the fact that I recognize my vanilla WoW years as some of (if not the) best time I had as a gamer when I was a whipper-snapper. I just don't see much reason to do it all over again in the present day as it just won't be quite the same when it is no longer a first-time experience and everything was so breathtaking.

[@curtisdinman]

Side note, Powershifting Feral Druids can put out good melee raid DPS.

[@lutezify]

Beast of a video. Thank you so much man!

[@Kira2457]

You should review Shrek. I like your reviews.

[@williamritson1413]

Strange

[@CavaleiroDasTrevas-0615]

“Now, watch them attack me. Pitiful! Do they think to take vengeance for their fallen? Do they come to challenge ME? I, who have won a hundred wars? I, who stood alone against thousands and still shouted for my enemies to come? No, these saurok will crumple before me like paper before the flame!” - Skeer the Bloodseeker, a Warrior from WoW

[@Payowow]

The little ashkandi ofc..

[@Payowow]

Kiss me on the lips

[@Payowow]

ofc.

[@Heironeous77]

As a former Vanilla Enhancement raider... I'll say this: Enhancement is blah until 30. Then you get wind fury. And you need a pretty good stock of water, but you can smash things super fast. In raids you have 0 threat control and usually have to heal for the first 15% before you can even start DPSing. But once you see wind fury procs off of windfury procs its gorgeous.

[@DVSPress]

Its pretty cool in pvp to see that miracle one shot of a warrior too. I remember shamans with hand of rag in AV... damn.

[@Heironeous77]

Yeah. Alliance use to part like the red sea when I'd come running in AV. All they saw was an Orc in mail with Rag and they went scattering. Honestly it could get boring (but I didnt PvP a ton in Vanilla so...)

[@scottsmith6235]

How could you not mention the 2H enhance shaman for PvP they were god mode

[@raadic5260]

Actually they were not as good as you think or remember. Yes, if you proc Windfury, and if you crit with all of those hits, you could potentially one-shot cloth wearers if you were very geared and they were not. But you basically had to have the stars aligned for that to happen. Most of the time you will get kited, run oom or and just auto attack with the occasional shock here and there. Still fun as fuck though :)

[@justindavis2024]

Elemental shamans are far better than enhance which was garbage 99% of the time

[@忘れ雪-o7h]

Enhancement shamans were one of the worst pvp classes in the game tbh. WF procs on people not paying attention, or total noobs, were a fun single trick. But when it comes to both 1v1 or group pvp against even remotely competent players, they are meme level weak.

[@uni4rm]

In 1.12, which is what most privates I've seen, and what Classic official will run, Druids are fine tanks and physical dps and Paladins can spec Ret and tank as well, although they lack tiered set gear for tanking. 1.12 patch is post-hybrid talent tree buffs. The old "drood heelz" and "only waryior tenk" is dead, as this is the last major patch before 2.0 (burning crusade).

[@guillaumep7660]

Ugh, I still remember the warrior grind in desolation... gotta be a social person and party up, cause warrior is booooring. Also, why I quit until Burning Crusade; blood elf pally FTW. No vanilla nostalgia at all.

[@funkytux2820]

Belf Pally is gey

[@guillaumep7660]

heh. I knew this was coming.

[@TAVROSH]

you did learn to tank while leveling tho because doing dungeons was the faster way to level :P if you had decent grps....

[@blakewalsh9489]

Yah, I remember when I was playing a Warrior (got it to 60) I spent a lot of time teamed up with a priest. It was easy to do dungeons because we just had to get 3 warm bodies to join us.

[@TheRenekruse]

Talking out your ass you never played wow before Burning Crusade. I quit the game because it was boring but I could just not wait to get in and play the burning crusade LOL give me a break.

[@BrunoDGames]

awesome vid man! im actually gonna play kronos 3 with some friends, coming from ascension LS, itll be weird to go back to normal wow again

[@neodemus]

He said Mages were struggling in PVP ... I just had to laugh my ass off --- NO ... Mages were excellent they just had the highest skill requirement in order to shine --- --- --- --- --- oh and shine they did. looking forward to it :-) still nice overview ty David

[@skral123]

I main mage in classic rank 1 frost bolt perm root kill all melee and ya 20 mins befor raid make water for 40 man so fun...

[@ddot196]

CAn confirm, buddy back in vanilla reached GM as a gnome mage. He was stupid good, I could never kill him in duels.

[@WeallAreAdults]

mages were pro if you had engi, if you dident good luck even with good skills, sure you'd do fine but never dominate vs certain classes. Engineering is where the key to succes is ;) coming from a general vanilla mage

[@187Ares]

Ehhh I would say shadow priests had the highest skill cap

[@jeffturner2975]

He said frost mages were good in PVP, but not as good as rogues and warriors if they couldn't keep away from them

[@tc7584]

I raided on the server Muradin as a main tank and we would clear MC, Ony and ZG weekly and my off tank was a druid. It's definitely doable and it was a great time in my life when I look back.

[@mcdonjes7817]

"There are so many options!" Most of the classes have just one viable specc, with some just spamming one spell or even auto attacks. this really sounds incredible boring

[@highmarshalhelbrecht4715]

MC Tönjes you are miss informed servearly

[@mcdonjes7817]

the comment is based on this video

[@highmarshalhelbrecht4715]

I have watched it you are takeing tiny segments of the video and thats enough of me trying to persuade you other wise, don't play classic enjoy current GL HF.

[@highmarshalhelbrecht4715]

JOHN CENA play current Gl HF.

[@thomasdifferent5298]

lol rhys the vanilla fanboy is butthurt

[@btuhey]

Played Resto Druid at 60, cleared everything but Naxx. Had a single Feral Druid in our guild we geared out he was always near the top of DPS. Loved my class and Level 60, 40 man raids. Tanked Everything at level 70 though. Was a prime time for Feral Druids, doing 34k damage in one hit in PVP too.

[@elunzz7326]

"The good thing about vanilla is that there is so many options"...meanwhile every class has 1 viable spec if they are lucky.

[@DrathamusGaming]

There's 40 spots in a raid, and raids back then weren't balanced for today's gamer's knowledge. So even if something isn't "meta" it sure can be made to work as there's just so much wiggle room in raids.

[@elunzz7326]

Nobody wants to be an utterly shit dps that can barely make it work... everyone wants to be the best dps not the worst.

[@InvadersDie]

the fact that people have such knowledge means that they will not allow specs like enhance or balance at all in their raids @@DrathamusGaming

[@naes124]

Not true, your PvP specs are entirely different from your PvE specs. It's idiots like you that always think they know what they're talking about that ruin shit.

[@jonnnney]

1 viable talent tree =/= one viable spec. It is more accurate to say that most classes had one viable role in the raid. The raids needed around 4-5 tanks 14-15 heals and the rest dps that generally meant that the warriors needed to tank and all the classes capable of healing needed to heal. The off tanks would dps on simpler fight. The main exception to this was shamans who could take a melee or ranged dps slot because their better totems would buff the a melee or caster group.

[@battleangel9393]

I remember how hard it was to get my paladin to level 60 , I loved that journey .

[@InternetHydra]

I remember absolutely despising Warriors in the vanilla late game, because they all had a colossal chip on their shoulder due to knowing how vital they are being THE tank class and them being the lead dev’s pet class. Anytime any other class got decent tanking ability they would throw a huge tantrum until it was nerfed. Not sad to see a lot of them piss off in the expansions.

[@saturnargentavis1901]

I remember being a Rogue Paper Tank, My friend was a Shaman Tank. over 10 years ago now....getting old

[@chrishall1923]

The hard truth no one ever wants to swallow is that 99.999% of people that try classic will never, EVER see 60. And if they do? They won't have the gumption to get the gold and gear and mats to raid. So play whatever you want. You'll have a blast while you do and then you'll roll another. That's the beauty of classic.

[@simonmartel8]

That's what I'm scared about. I'm PvP focused and I'm seriously scared that there simply won't be enough people to make queue times relatively ''ok''.

[@williamblom3948]

@@simonmartel8 fuck i didnt think about it like that...

[@NotBruceWayne_]

Ferals may actually have a place in raids as there is an overpowered chestpiece that gives insane amounts of energy that wasn't known about for a very long time.

[@Reign123]

"30-50% of all character are warriors" like cmon. Checking statistics to actually provice meaningful data isn't hard. This is so misguiding for new players.

[@TheSirtempest]

this was true on nost

[@Reign123]

I never said or suggested such a thing. But as you can see this is completely different discussion whenever actual server statistics are mentioned. Making a decision based on a vague guess is a terrible idea and since David Stewart put effort to make 30 min video I don't understand such simple mistake. On other note: tanking in vanilla is arguable the most difficult role and hence even tho there are a lot of warrior if you put effort in understanding the class you can quiet easily find a place in a guild. Escially since some fights require multiple tanks a OT is a good aim for newbie players.

[@DVSPress]

www.kronos-wow.com/server-statistics-kronos-3/ 34% of all characters are warriors. I've seen it higher.

[@danb596]

>play private server >/who >everyone a warrior, warlock, mage, rogue or hunter

[@johnscribb6731]

9 classes and warrior makes up 34%? So that leaves 66% / 8 = the other 8 classes only make up 8.25% each? That doesnt sound right, especially when you can never find a tank for a dungeon.

[@BrokenRealms]

The sword the paladin in your screenshot is wearing is a burning crusade weapon, the cataclysm's edge from archimonde in the mount hyjal raid.

[@L4kken]

So funny how many of these "this is how classic was" vids are directly contradictory to each other.

[@terraint3697]

Pretty spot on. There are places for feral druids though. One feral druid is good to have to buff the raid with LOTP and powershifting can do great dps! Two is fine if they know what they are doing. (Have them prove to you that they can dps.) Having a few skilled druids as feral who can cat dps and offtank when needed is nice in some raid fights.

[@SordMasta]

You wanna PvP? pick Horde as they had far superior racials, and Shamans. If you must PvP as Alliance pick Gnome. If you wanna be a PvP Healer, Druid by far. And never Priest. If you wanna be a PvP Tank, Druid again. Also, pick Engineering. Or if you play a Rogue, consider Herbalism. For a PvE Tank, mostly Warrior, Tauren/Nightelf. If you're an Alliance Priest, make sure to be a Dwarf, very important.

[@chipmanman1]

I played paladin in vanilla and they really didn't lag that far behind shamans in pvp. I think overall that druids just outshined paladins so hard in bgs though. The speed, the tankiness, the burst healing... the only thing left that paladin did better was give someone -else- blessing of freedom. The OPOP preventative spells like BOP aand bubble made people drop the flag and stopped physical damage of allies completely. With that said, I don't know how shamans compared to druids.

[@Markosmirel32]

When I was a fresh noob in wow, i leveled as a boomkin in vanilla. I didn't know any better, but I do remember having to stop and drink all the time. Still so much fun for me overall though.

[@TheLukkystrike]

If it's true vanilla. Mage or Paladin. Nuf sed.

[@tolks9575]

I have to agree I mained a warrior in vanilla but I main a paladin now cant see playing anything else lol