Delta Plane Forces SpaceX to SCRUB FALCON 9 ROCKET LAUNCH!! at Vandenberg!

**IMPORTANT EDIT**: After a THOROUGH investigation by my guys over on Discord, we conclude that DAL480 was INDEED violating Vandenberg R-2516 area. However SWA1131 and HAL35 (not displayed) also entered the rocket flight path zone that extends to the southeast of Vandenberg (areas W-292E and W-292W) that were at the time activated by NOTAM.
Your support is really important and appreciated to keep these videos coming! =)
-- / vasaviation
-- paypal.me/VASA...
Become a VIP member of VASAviation! -- / @vasaviation
Flying Eyes 10% OFF: flyingeyesopti...
Join VASAviation's Discord -- / discord
Twitter/Facebook/Instagram -- @VASAviation
Audio source: www.liveatc.net/
Please, give a big LIKE to support and for more videos like this!! :)

[@VASAviation]

**IMPORTANT EDIT**: After a THOROUGH investigation by my guys over on Discord, we conclude that DAL480 was INDEED violating Vandenberg R-2516 area. However SWA1131 and HAL35 (not displayed) also entered the rocket flight path zone that extends to the southeast of Vandenberg (areas W-292E and W-292W) that were at the time activated by NOTAM.

[@ale131296]

Because that plane needed to go around Vandenberg to avoid the launch area but it was never in the range. There were two airplanes downrange of the launch site in the Pacific who were a lot closer to the NOTAMs issued for this launch

[@Molon_Labe1776]

Weird vector, Victor indeed.

[@Monk018_CS]

Definitely for sightseeing! LA Center says, "Good morning! Climb and maintain FL320, and you can expect a little something here in a minute" (i.e. the rocket launch).

[@Rob2]

Well, they launch towards the south so I can understand why they would cross the site on the north side...

[@Siam-I-Am]

@@Rob2 That is why it doesn't make sense that Delta was cause to scrub the launch ... Delta was north of the launch area from what I could tell.

[@balcsi32]

Looks like the planes got their revenge back on Spacex after the Starship anomaly lol

[@RicCrouch]

Was thinking the same thing!

[@canadianigel]

Exactly my first thought!

[@klausvonshnytke]

Swift payback

[@Flies2FLL]

They need to close the launch site in south Texas. Starship needs to move to Cape Canaveral, that way when it explodes in the future it won't rain debris all over south Florida, Cuba, and Turks & Caicos.

[@avflyguy]

@@Flies2FLL OK... so how long have the US, and numerours other countries been dabbling with rockets to space. Can't think of anywhere, someone was hurt, killed or injured by falling space debris. I realize a that a small piece of debris hitting an airliner could be catasprophic. Perhaps the closest was when Comumbia burnt up scattering parts and pieces over a very large area of East Texas and Louisiana, but even at that, nobody injured that I recall. I watched it happen streaking across just south of Dallas and into east Texas.

[@DPodDolphin]

The Delta was not the cause for the hold, it was one of 2 aircraft downrange. The Delta did not cross Falcon 9's flight path at any time during its flight.

[@maxmustermann5932]

Sad that the video is lacking without that info. Really liked the overlay with the SpaceX stream!

[@SawyerRosenstein]

Agree completely

[@Kalikus808]

It was within the TFR zone, doesn't need to be downrange.

[@beenaplumber8379]

So nobody entered the restricted area? I'm all confused. Delta was well clear of that airspace, and no one else is shown close to it in this video. After all the havoc they caused to aviation on Thursday, are they saying aviation caused them to scrub today? Did that even happen?

[@MeppyMan]

@@krg038if there is a mistake it will be genuine. Victor does an awesome job but he can only work with the information he has.

[@SteveWillSpendIt]

That’s the chillest ATC ever

[@LordFloofen]

ATC: routes aircraft thru the TFR SpaceX: HOLD HOLD HOLD ATC: wait why did they hold 👁👄👁

[@ugowar]

Pretty much sums it up.

[@MichaelKing4023]

Yes anything come close for safety reasons Launch control will call out HOLD HOLD HOLD but with a Falcon 9 rocket they can not reset the must be drain of all propellants and reschedule another day. A Falcon 9 Rocket is a load and go rocket in hold means a scrub.

[@tomfelker]

Nah - even though they use sub-cooled propellants, they can hold for an hour or two before the propellant warms up. The real limit comes from the orbit. If it's targeting geosynchronous transfer orbit, the plane doesn't matter too much. But if it's targeting a specific LEO plane, particularly with a high inclination like Vandenberg launches have, then there's only one moment per day that the launch site is under the correct side of the target orbit. Even then, if it's not at max payload, it can handle a few minutes to either side (it just has to do a dogleg, which is less efficient). But this one was launching as many Starlinks as they can jam in there to a polar LEO, so, instantaneous window.

[@delroyl427]

So there is not a way for ATC to communicate with launch sites?

[@BabyMakR]

@@delroyl427 They're called NOTAMS.

[@johnniemayhem]

ATC says a last minute launch... rocket launches are NOT done last minute.

[@VideoViewer33512]

Some kinds of rockets are, the exploding type.

[@NovemberYankee4Life]

He means last minute bc they probably didn’t brief any of the controllers till last minute. (Most likely management failed to brief the controllers in a timely manner)

[@brokenwrench404]

The launch was delayed from the day before so definitely not last minute

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

He probably simply meant that liftoff was soon approaching.

[@Cultural_Supremacist]

"Hey guys, I just got a great idea! Whaddaya say we launch our rocket in a couple of minutes?"

[@mapolinski]

1:20 "Due to a rocket launch last minute..." Yeah, like that was a surprise to everyone. It's not like they plan these things months in advance or anything ATC.

[@sharky98]

To be honest, at Vandenberg, it is well into the possibility to have a last minute launch (military stuff). Although probably rare.

[@igorluiz9551]

It didn't receive your email, could you send it again? vibes

[@beenaplumber8379]

Yeah, I'd like to know the truth about that. Also, was this the originally scheduled launch time, or was it a reschedule? When was ATC notified? Apparently the airlines weren't notified because their routing was already done. And was there an actual TFR in place? Was ATC routing around the TFR, or just the restricted area? And if there was a TFR in place, why didn't the companies or ATC change their routing before departure?

[@ugowar]

@@andret4403 This wasn't a classified launch. The TFRs were up well before launch.

[@soccerguy2433]

the plan months ago doesn't necessarily give you the exact timing. furthermore, until the NOTAM is issued or the FAA is told its just a plan to launch. I'm pretty sure someone at vandenberg didn't notify the correct people on time.

[@Mark-f9q6f]

It almost sounded like ATC was vectoring the Delta flight for a good view of the launch.

[@rickharris323]

Someone, either SpaceX or ATC, is confused about airspace limitations during launches.

[@persistentwind]

Bingo! There is a disconnect here. I'd love to see a launch from the air but also wouldn't want to be downrange!

[@VASAviation]

Is the airspace R2517?

[@twopixelaerospace]

@@VASAviation No, its a TFR to the south

[@SDGreg]

It wouldn't be SpaceX, it would be the range officers which would be part of Vandenberg Space Force Base. They tell SpaceX employees if the range is green or not.

[@CumulusGranitis]

The Delta 480 was 12 miles north of the Pad and outside of Vandy R-2517 restricted air space, so it was not the cause. However... SWN1131 was vectored to the SW along an outbound Airway off of the VOR on that island, and that Airway does transit through the NW end of the DRA-2 TFR. FltRadar24 track shows that SWN1131 was probably still inside the DRA-2 TFR box at the time the hold was called.

[@VASAviation]

When I plot SWA1131 ADSB and TFR coordinates, he stays out of the TFR. Apparently they were vectored just in time.

[@CumulusGranitis]

@@VASAviation Thank you for clarifying. May I humbly suggest a title "Delta IS Innocent, Some else caused the Scrub...have a listen".... Thank again for the good work you do. Cheers, from former SAR Navigator.

[@MrGeneralScar]

​@@VASAviation Cool video, might have been outside the TFR, but the range will go red if there is even a chance of someone being in the range around the launch and recovery time. ATC would have known about the rocket launch many hours ahead, and the TFRs would have been published for the pilots to know of before they took off. ATC probably should not have been vectoring aircraft that close to the TFR boundary as all the small deviations in track could have caused the range safety officer to have doubts. Any doubts, they just call the range red and the launch is on hold. As the launch director said when they called the hold, "possible aircraft in the range", which could be inferred as too close for comfort but not actually inside the TFR.

[@wickedpawn5437]

Delta 480 flew 3.3 miles north of the pad. It was turning left for heading 242. Dangerous situation.

[@Mlgraham22]

Maybe the Range Safety Officer was a bit twitchy after the Starship mishap. I understand because of how they fuel the Falcons once they hold with full tanks it’s a scrub. Rough week for SpaceX.

[@highfrequencyhertz]

It's not good to have a passenger plane anywhere near a rocket launching, it's not Starship, but Falcon is very large and full of over a million pounds of propellant. I'm not sure they had a choice with this one.

[@highfrequencyhertz]

It wasn't Delta though, but rather an aircraft downrange.

[@ano_nymouse]

falcons can hold for a bit but i think starlink launch windows are usually instantaneous (no dog-leg manoeuvrer) for maximum fuel efficiency.

[@highfrequencyhertz]

@@ano_nymouse Falcon can't hold at all because the oxidizer is superchilled for maximum performance, any scrub past fuel load means a recycle.

[@frotoe9289]

Pilots have gotten violations for entering restricted airspace because ATC radar says "they cut inside the corner by 100 feet" while GPS says "300 feet outside". Could be one of those situations came up here.

[@n1vg]

I have vague memories of visiting the room in building 7000 where the range safety guys watched this stuff on radar, 20+ years ago. I remember that their consoles had the largest CRT monitors I've ever seen built in, with Sun workstations driving them. I got to look over someone's shoulder for a minute but I was mostly occupied with crawling through the sub-floor chasing down a bad cable.

[@jackielinde7568]

Yeah, around 2005 was when the military was modernizing their radar equipment. Dad had left the USAF at that point but was a civilian contractor still working on the radar back then. Remembered when he went back to school for the new system.

[@bigdaddie40]

The reason I like to fly IFR is that all those restricted areas basically go away. It is ATCs job to keep you clear or clear you through tem.

[@chrismercadante8684]

Launches from Vandenberg go south, then south/south east and southeast after they get down closer to Baja. So North/East would be outside the TFR and launch track.

[@beenaplumber8379]

Was there a TFR that was not shown in the video?

[@maurice_walker]

​@@beenaplumber8379Yes indeed.

[@MattH-wg7ou]

Wait, they [have to?] do a "dogleg" burn when launching from Vandenberg? AKA changing direction/inclination post launch? Thats very costly in terms of Delta-V. I didnt know that was done.

[@iTzNexXuS]

@@MattH-wg7ou It's not done for every launch, but sometimes. Just depends on the final orbital inclination they're trying to achieve

[@chrismercadante8684]

@@MattH-wg7ou My understanding is it's not quite that extreme, it skirts the line along the coast without a pronounced dogleg. At some point they start a gentle turn from like a heading of like 135 to 130, something like that, gradually. You can see the slight change between the booster trajectory and the upper stage deviating somewhat after separation on trajectory sites like FlightClub.

[@joey7551]

Incredible work on this one, thank you!

[@steveb855]

Sounded like ATC was trying to get people a view of a launch by cutting things close instead of vectoring flights well clear.

[@Chewy1394A]

Sounded like it, but was most definitely not the case.

[@craig7350]

Its only the best seat in the house unless they scrub the launch because you're too close.

[@twopixelaerospace]

SWA1131 was in the TFR at the time of launch with HAL35 crossing shortly after Edit: Appears the source I saw was actually a marine notice, they were just outside the TFR but still downrange. Could be more conservative limits from the range safety officer At Vandenburg

[@VASAviation]

SWA1131 was vectored just in time to go around the launch path

[@twopixelaerospace]

@ not according to ADS-B data. They were directly in the TFR/NOTAM when the srub was called

[@CapStar362]

@@VASAviation 1131 did cross the southern edge of the TFR Zone, but only briefly. Space X monitors this in real time as well so it was a good call by the Range Safety director. HAL35 also did cross as well. I Was watching this launch and watching ADSB at the same time.

[@VASAviation]

For some reason I'm seeing both outside. Can you tell me the south edge coordinates?

[@twopixelaerospace]

@ the post I saw was actually the marine area, looks like they were outside the TFR

[@akiko009]

I assume the Vandenberg shots are south, so the Delta flight was clear of the action. So I'd conclude that someone else was responsible, or there were additional restrictions for the launch.

[@CapStar362]

SWA1131 is the offending aircraft and HAL35 about 10 miles behind.

[@jwpilot1997]

@VASAviation Your videos are top notch, but this is a little disingenuous to report DAL480 violated anything. They were on an IFR flight plan following ATC instructions. Am I missing something?

[@Ndub1036]

No. This video should be removed and edited for clarity. Did DAL fly over the restricted area? Unclear. Some reports they flew directly over Vandenberg. Did the two aircraft south violate the TFR? Seems they did. Remove, edit, report is due

[@VASAviation]

Read the description

[@jwpilot1997]

​@@VASAviationDescription is fair but the important edit makes it seem like the pilots of DL480 caused this. It would have been ATC that caused this.

[@jimslimm6090]

@@VASAviation I don't get your point. Most viewers don't care that someone proved that that airplane was in restricted airspace. What we care about is whether the pilot did what he was told to do by ATC and whether that was a wrong thing to do. I, personally, understand that this channel is not able to determine that and viewers are not understanding that no judgement is being made when you say the aircraft was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hopefully some other channel can determine why.

[@skycaptain3344]

@@VASAviationI’ve read the description. It still sounds like you’re saying the Delta crew purposely violated the area. The correct description is ATC allows Delta to fly into rocket launch area.

[@Rosarium2007]

Maybe the ground-to-space traffic control and the air traffic control should be connected by radio, so they can talk to each other.

[@volvodadfast]

Downrange restriction is critical as the booster was to land on the barge there.

[@CATDRL2]

This video should be revised to incorporate SW inclusion in order to effectively address the issues that led to today's launch scrub.

[@maoiljitschguevara]

Here, I'll get you closer to the rocket launch so you can get a good look. ..... Huh, for some reason they are not launching. No idea why.

[@rusteddoorknob4237]

Bet the captain was feeling real satisfied about giving the passengers a close view of the launch lmao

[@ashleyholguin9607]

We have had launches explode in the past, debris goes everywhere. You don’t want to be remotely close to the launch pads in the event of that happening, let alone the sky.. we scrubbed the launch with T-Minus 10 seconds..

[@showspotter]

yup. seemed like the controller got them juuuust close enough to cause concern to them. no lives were in danger though.

[@brightymcbrightface]

saying "you had the best view" suggests there was an expectation of being close to the launch trajectory it's a daily thing to see how NOTAMs don't work and should be updated to electronic technology with real time tools for pilots

[@nickwinn]

NOTAMS have been purposely left in the stone age, the FAA doesn't want to blame anybody other than the pilot.

[@Cpr1234]

I'm not sure if the person on ZLA25 knows how a rocket launch works. At 1:18 they say it happened at the last minute but that is never the case with SpaceX, or NASA or any such company who do rocket launches as they usually have what's called a "window". It might be an "instantaneous window" meaning they can only launch then. Or if it isn't instantaneous, they could hold it till a later time of the day. If they can't launch in their instantaneous window, they will usually find a time on another day for it to happen. Goes to show, rocket launches are never easy, they can't just happen when they can, a lot of logistics go into them.

[@alexmaclean1]

"last minute rocket launch" yes, they played some COD, then said hey, let's go send a rocket to space for shits and giggles "

[@colinm6714]

Delta asking about the rides right off the bat is so Delta

[@agentkerbal9840]

Funny coincidence following what happened on thursday Sometimes space people mess up Sometimes plane people mess up It's almost as if we were all humans

[@TheIndyspace]

Were..? So now you're a Kerbal..? 😂

[@agentkerbal9840]

@@TheIndyspace mybad lol

[@marlinweekley51]

@@agentkerbal9840 humans are dangerous and unpredictable mammals . My favorite Far Side: the teacher dinosaur tells the class of little dinosaurs, “I have bad news and really bad news. We are going extinct and we have brains the size of walnuts.”

[@GriffySpeed]

The Delta jet is on an IFR flight plan and being vectored around the airspace by ATC. The Delta jet followed ATC instructions. If any airspace was intruded upon, it would be the fault of ATC. You need to change the title of this video.

[@Beau_Regard]

Images telling your passengers about the launch about to happen and ATC caused you to have the launch scrubbed.

[@avflyguy]

Not sure if it was ATC or pilot error on NOTAM's, but that was a *Very Expensive* hold and turn around for SpaceX... try for another day. Or, maybe even an outside change it was RSO at SpaceX that caused it.

[@effurfeelings]

One day, Tesla and Twitter users will be on the hook for paying the lawsuits for a Spacex incident.

[@flyintampa]

a little pilot payback for all the havoc SpaceX caused with the Starship breakup and debris trail

[@yakbreeder]

1:18 "rocket launch last minute" What am I missing? I thought these launches were known in advance?

[@ghostchips7204]

The rocket company knows about the launch months in advance, ATC just knows when the Notam/TFR is activated. Probably a breakdown there. Believe it or not, but controllers have better things to do with their off time that scroll through launch manifests for upcoming months....

[@brokenwrench404]

It wasn’t last minute. Had been scheduled for months but was delayed from Friday to Saturday morning but still 24 hours

[@MichaelKing4023]

TRF and NOTAMS go out a week before a launch.

[@Tesserae]

@@MichaelKing4023do they cover the entire launch window, meaning if a launch is scrubbed and rescheduled for the following day, would the NOTAM have included the following day?

[@gpslightlock1422]

Maybe they're a bit nervous at SpaceX due to recent Starship event. If they couldn't be 100% sure all aircraft were going to remain clear of TFR they called the abort.

[@ugowar]

This was a Falcon 9 launch, arguably one of the most reliable launch vehicles in the world right now, if not *the* most reliable. This isn't about that, it's about SpaceX engineers taking no chances with safety, and rightly so. This is a policy that was in place long before Starship. Whether it's a wayward boat in the exclusion area or an aircraft intruding the TFR area, you scrub. All launch providers worth their salt do the same. Well, at least they do in the west.

[@brokenwrench404]

@@ugowar it’s amazing how regular these launches have become in such a short time. We watch everyone from our backyard in southern Santa Barbara county. It’s a blast

[@MichaelKing4023]

On the side of safety the watch out for anything that might violate a restricted space and what plane did it there was 11 second before engine start. So the scrub the launch and not take a chance.

[@S30Uploads]

i saw the jet in the same area i would see the rockets, i was like wtf is that jet doing there, left a contrail, then another jet... waited an hour extra staring into the morning sky as passerbys thought i was nuts.

[@timduggan1461]

ATC usually NEVER asks us to make a 5 degree turn!!!

[@ugowar]

That's a "hold on to your seats" moment!

[@MisterChips]

Delta asking about the ride, well I never! 🤣

[@davidzachmeyer1957]

Title should read "Vectoring From ZLA25 Forces SpaceX To Scrub...".

[@VASAviation]

Why? He vectored DAL way away from the area.

[@CumulusGranitis]

@@VASAviation He vectored SWN 1131 to the south west across the top of DRA-2.

[@Impractical_Engineering]

It’s planes revenge for the starship breakup changing their flight plans.

[@JStock-id1qi]

Just imagine the downdraft created from a launch, especially if a 33 engine starship.

[@paulholland315]

That Controller doesn’t even know his right from his left. Good grief.

[@brad1785]

It sounded like ATC was watching the public stream. Do they seriously not have some more direct communication method with SpaceX? Launches from Vandenberg are pretty frequent…

[@LeftyLabs]

How is this not the fault of SoCal Departure or LA Center for clearing them through a hazard zone on departure?

[@redacted5052]

Fair turnabout 😂

[@CS-fp1ik]

so what were the winds in the area... atc asking planes to fly headings only means the plane points in that direction?

[@cw5865]

Looks like everyone was being extremely cautious and thus...

[@ForOurGood]

Airlines seeking payback for Starship incursion ;-)

[@etaoinwu]

just curious, where do you get the filed flight plans?

[@tomriley5790]

This is revenge for all the diverts the other day 🙂!

[@TheBoomtown4]

Damnit, I love delta

[@frankmueller7660]

What exactly means a “last minute launch “ Somewhere was a big communication break down . If the launch window was approved why ATC was not informed of the TFR ?

[@Atlessa]

It means it wasn't planned for that day but had already been scrubbed the day before.

[@frankmueller7660]

@ you don’t get my point . It does not mater what their plan or reason was, FAA needs to give heads up to flight operations around that area . I am sure that happened but was not communicated to the controllers

[@vasquezmi]

DAL480 intentionally wanted to provide sight to the launch this is confirmed by the constant updates from ATC on launch website.

[@Yadro767]

The title should be "ATC Vectored Aircraft Forces SpaceX to ..."

[@biffhenderson1144]

For passenger safety, aircraft should stay the hell away. Even beyond the boundary. Makes sense if you care about life.

[@triviszla1536]

A little payback for that debris field the other day

[@LuckyBravo1-1]

The idiots blaming the pilots are absolutely clueless

[@javbw]

My dad used to fly Sacramento-San Diego (on PSA?) all the time in the 1970s when was working with state senator Bob Wilson. The cabin crew found out it was his birthday and, as he tells it, the Captian asked if there was any landmark he wanted to see - He said Mt Whitney, so they shifted a bit east over the sierras to give him a better view of the peak. The Delta pilot similarly really wanted to see that rocket launch! (Not so) Fun Fact, the flight he would always take to-from San Diego was the same route as PSA182, which crashed - He was on the next flight down as a rep for the senator to help with the crash.

[@maris8488]

@javbw I was on a PSA flight right behind the aircraft that crashed (Sept 1978). I flew out of San Jose to SD on business. When I arrived at the office on the 10th floor I could see the smoke from the crash. Very sad day for so many people.

[@presidentpoopypants1448]

Interesting, Did I just see a comment from you on the video about the San Diego airport? :)

[@Glofilter]

Moral of the story: ATC f-d up.

[@Michigan_Adventures]

Delta's getting revenge!!!!

[@CapStar362]

Delta didn't do shit though, SWA did, they are the ones who violated the TFR, down at the southern portion of the TFR which was also the recovery zone for the return of the booster.

[@skyvenrazgriz8226]

Lol looks like they took revenge for the debris devertion last time XD

[@AakashKalaria]

I had t remind myself that "delta 4## heavy" is not operational rocket anymore.

[@royrunyon1286]

No TFR or was it missed by the Delta aircrew?

[@nicklase0000]

When was the actual time for the scrub? The launch was scheduled for 15:35 UTC.

[@VASAviation]

Clock on screen

[@nicklase0000]

@@VASAviation If the clock is correct, the DAL480 must be outside of the launch area. The launch would be at Space launch complex 4 east. That site is south of the marked area in the video and close to the coast. The trajectory for the rocket is initially south bound and then turning towards south-east. The problematic airtraffic would rather be south of the launch site where the booster rocket would come back down for landing?

[@jgrazzi]

That Elon is such a menace 😁

[@benjaminv.5662]

A win for the aircraft a loss for the big spenders, burn money burn or rockets red glare another rocket explodes mid air.

[@SethBeck]

Didn’t know they run the rocket profiles from Vandenburg to the SE. Also, what’s the minimum clearance from the facility during launch operations? When I was at Riddle, we were restricted to no further south than Ponce Inlet during operations.

[@brad1785]

Yeah, Vandenberg is specifically so they can launch south for polar orbits, which they can't do from the Cape.

[@3rdPartyIntervener]

Sounds like ATC is going to be copying down a phone number.

[@w9awx1]

This is all on ATC failing to take into account the launch which is not planned last minute like the controller said.

[@infernosgaming8942]

Damn dude just directed them right through the launch area lmao. They gotta get a briefing before every shift with launch times and windows, right?

[@Mark-pp7jy]

The controller's info was clear regarding the launch, but crap giving instructions to the airlines. He needs to enunciate, or be vectored out of the tower.

[@falcon618111]

The fact you think he is in a tower shows how stupid you are.

[@MikeMc-512]

You would think these MULTI-BILLIONS dollar corporations, that are governed by the United States government would be able to communicate and plan things.

[@clutchnthrottle955]

Why is atc watching the public stream to get his info? How hard would it be to be to have 1 guy in launch control on the phone with 1 atc rep from t-10 till launch to immediately resolve any potential conflicts? 🤔🤷‍♂️

[@garytravis9347]

Bet Juan Brown won't cover this.

[@mikemicksun6469]

Juan is ok but he is only interested in getting people to his patreon. Makes 400,000.00 flying. Makes over 400,000.00 from you tube. Then has the patreon.

[@chax0208]

LOL the article you showed is bad this would have been the 400+th launch not the 27th, it was supposed to launch 27 satellites

[@LadyLithias]

I saw that too, very funny. I was thinking, "no way this is the 27th launch. bit high for a 2025 total, but it seemed pretty obviously wrong. Then I saw the whole 27 satellites, and realized.... Ohhhhhh..... doh!'

[@maurice_walker]

This news article seems very dubious and not a good source. Not only did they misread "27 satellites" as "launch number 27". They also don't cite any sources for the claimed involvement of a Delta Air Lines aircraft. Which seems highly unlikely, as others have explained here in the comment. I'm not sure the author understands how TFRs for rocket launches work.

[@josephpadula2283]

I like this . Launches into space are now so routine, people are making little mistakes !

[@cherrybacon9790]

Later ir will read: "SpaceX shooting down jet and landing autonomously...."

[@Boodieman72]

Sounds like an ATC issue for sending aircraft that close to a TFR or even through it.

[@r.b.4009]

Close isn't a problem as long as they remain outside. If for SpaceX it's too close, the TFR should be widened. But it seems there is a lot of misinformation regarding all those rocket launch areas.

[@-108-]

So who's responsible and gets sanctioned - the controller?

[@michaelshore2300]

This happened to me at Aberporth Wales the Irish flew a Hot air balloon into the range

[@penguin44ca]

Why would the controller vector them there

[@ConstantlyDamaged]

_puts on devil's advocat hat_ Just like flying a plane, there are many wrong ways to launch a rocket. Glad they decided to hold rather than risk anything.

[@junovzla]

how the turntables

[@need4speed17n]

That controller should be fired

[@Dane3804]

He was out of the TFR but within the possible debris range😂

[@chenwong1036]

Will they provide a refund for the ride when there is no rocket show? haha

[@tryste_mx]

Good.

[@sirjasonakana]

I saw another discussion about this earlier today, there were people saying the pilots were at fault and people saying the ATC was at fault… can you state which is correct?

[@gawebm]

Can't be the pilots. They were under direct control by ATC and being vectored to supposedly stay clear of the launch. There is no way this could be interpreted as a fault of the pilots, except by people who know nothing about aviation.

[@JariJuslin]

You can hear on the video the ATC micromanaging the plane positions, so it definitely falls on ATC. Or safety people of the launch being a bit too careful. But frankly, if you are a bit too careful you lose only money. Being a bit too careless can lose lives.

[@katrine-pearls]

There's a lack of communications between rockets and airAviation. Schedules of 👩‍🚀🚀👨‍🚀 vs ✈️ shd be plan and communicated ahead of time. Plus, civilian aircraft shd not be passing thru the radar of Vandenberg Space Force. Jst a thought. Thank U

[@jeric_synergy8581]

Off the RIGHT wing??? Surely that was the left wing.

[@bigfranksworld]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

[@DanielWhite-ob2yq]

Soooo, where is the investigation and fines, anyone get fired? Hmmm. . .

[@ThroneOfBhaal]

Awww how will I get rained on by debris on the opposite side of the world now?

[@swedepilot]

Somebody never got the memo.

[@acepilot22]

Well can’t blame delta pilots, they did what they were told.

[@NAV-tv7xf]

There was no aircraft in the airspace. Spacex error.

[@Journeyman1642]

1:03 east and north of what???

[@aarongee2401]

The “it” they are referring to is the restricted airspace of Vandenberg Space Force Base.