Aer Lingus A330 | SMOKE & BURNING SMELL IN COCKPIT | Emergency Divert to Daytona

08/NOV/2022
Aer Lingus A330 performing flight from Orlando to Manchester was climbing to enroute level when the pilots declared MAYDAY reporting having smoke and burning smell in the cockpit.
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[@VASAviation]

That was a fantastic coordination!

[@joolesuk4997]

My family and I were on that flight and could smell burning throughout the main cabin. We were initially told we were turning back to Orlando and then advised Daytona and would be taken to a stand on sand. A number of fire trucks met the plane, and firefighters boarded to check the situation. Was a while before we disembarked and was so glad we all got back safely. Crew were trying to keep a lid on the panic but we knew something was very wrong.

[@VASAviation]

Thanks for sharing

[@flowerpower1400]

yep we where on that flight and complained of the smell of burning when sat down by the front of the plane only to be told by the male air steward that it was a normal smell. so glad we got down ok . Aer Lingus have been terrible over this incident, there was no information given and when we got to miami it was chaos. No one came to meet us or sort things out !!!!

[@TheHoaxer37]

I was on that flight with 8 family members sat over the wing and the smell and smoke was very strong, what was a coincidence the pilot befor we finished fuelling said coming into ORLANDO THE ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM HAD STOPPED WORKING and I thought having it looked at was a BAD move because it would have added a 3 to 4 hours delay. Makes me wonder if it was linked because the smell was a melting wire smell

[@smartycummins2500]

Delta 757 yesterday had to do an emergency decent and divert to BHM (DL1056) while en-route to Santa Ana from ATL. Pilots said they lost pressurization at 32,000ft

[@johnclamshellsp1969]

Good evening VASA, always great videos. Really amazing how all these ATC's remain absolutely calm in any emergency.

[@celticlofts]

Green Flight is a subsidiary of Aer Lingus and operates three aircraft from Manchester airport UK for transatlantic operations. Called Aer Lingus UK it operates flight between Manchester UK to Boston, Orlando and Barbados. Currently it operates two Airbus A330-300 aircraft and 1 Airbus A321LR.

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you very much for picking this incident up!

[@christianforero.]

American Airlines flight "AA2424" yesterday November 10th aborted takeoff in KMIA runway 26L due to passengers standing up (you can hear the captain informing ATC of the motive) it was approximately from 9:28 to 9:33pm Eastern Time for the live ATC recordings .

[@djenei2564]

2:40 mcdonalds cashier when I try to order something while completely wasted

[@marcelomezz]

LOL

[@tashdobsonthedobsons2311]

Extremely scary experience being on that flight. Looks like it’s had to divert again this morning on its return to the UK.

[@Silo-Ren]

All mayday's are bad but when they are smoke in the cockpit that one is about as worst as it get's. Makes me think of the horrible Swiss Air disaster over Nova Scotia.

[@paolocalvo4804]

Note that this was also right before Hurricane Nicole just after Embry-Riddle had canceled their evacuations so DAB was working major overtime

[@bannon1994]

I only heard about this because I have a small diecast model of this plane and wanted to see what it was up to and saw that the plane had diverted to Daytona Beach.

[@NoProblem-_-]

I plane spotted that plane a couple times before the incident. What a scary occasion to happen right above me! I would have never expected it to happen from the ground, but it did!

[@patricknovoa7699]

It was the most tracked plane on fr24 at one point and the moment I looked up, everyone at riddle had their phone out tracking it so that explains that 😂

[@gjferg]

So weird...I was sitting at the light at Bellevue and Clyde Morris on the 11th and saw this plane taxiing for takeoff. Got out my FR24 and thought DAB to MAN? Thats odd. Even went as far to see if it was a scheduled flight. Thing left straight into a torrential downpour...lol. Riddle class of 98

[@patricknovoa7699]

@@gjferg I’m so sad I didn’t see the departure but I heard it from the residence halls and it sounded amazing

[@patricknovoa7699]

And it’s still here

[@jayson8372]

With all due respect to the ground crew, someone really needs to provide them training about listening and proper radio usage.

[@e.alexander1869]

And it stayed here for the hurricane too lol

[@phbuss]

As usual we don't get to hear the first mayday call which is the most interesting part 😑

[@marcelomezz]

3:41 "When you enunciate, you spit"

[@markor2476]

"Tee Ay Gee Ey Ee" What the hell was that?? 🤣 This can't be seriously how they do RTF over there? It cost them 4 transmissions instead of one "tango india golf alpha echo" 🤦As our Comms teacher would say "Amazing!/s"

[@VASAviation]

Definitely not standard to spell that way :(

[@spelldaddy5386]

Certainly not standard, but perhaps the controller thought they had the approach plate in front of them, so he didn't need to be as precise. Similar reason why he was confused about the requests for frequency and inbound course

[@markor2476]

@@spelldaddy5386 And what was the reason he had no clue what downgrading to PANPAN meant? I swear the stuff you hear on American comms you wouldn't hear anywhere else in the world.

[@cml1864]

"Heading seventy" aswel 😆

[@BillySugger1965]

Seriously unimpressed with a lot from ATC on this one. These are _not_ the people I want to accommodate if I ever have an in-flight emergency. Not only the non-phonetic spelling, but not knowing what an ILS course is? Was that a qualified radar controller?

[@TheTiktok4321]

Daytona being home home to Embry Riddle, surprised to hear such a lackadaisical controller.

[@KC-RallyPlanes]

For anyone asking. This is a Aer Lingus UK flight so using Greenflight callsign instead of usual Shamrock callsign. Interesting they went around. I know they downgraded to a PAN but you would like to get on the ground ASAP??

[@cleveriv5349]

Saw this one fly right over me. Impending storm rolled in the next morning. Likely a strong gust as we were on its windiest side of rotation in the Daytona area around the time of this video.

[@JimWhitaker]

Thank you, I was wondering about that.

[@liam3284]

wind at 19 gusting 30, assuming knots.

[@leeaf7]

"Stand" for EU/Oceania pilots means "Gate" to Americans. FAA controllers and ground ops guys clearly got confused and gave the crew hard stand option, thinking they meant hard (or remote) stand. Interesting differences among the people who speak the same language but not so same. However, there is also possibility that DAB's jetbridge is not tall enough for heavies like A330.

[@stevemayrs6038]

How dare that person say did the crew get their licenses from a cornflakes packet. All pilots are highly trained. Remember they were coming into an unfamiliar airport with smoke in the cockpit. A high stress situation and besides setting up the aircraft for a landing they would have been doing an emergency checklist also. The controller may have turned them on to the ILS a bit early so they did the right thing by going around if the approach was unstable. All trained for in the simulator.

[@MannySilva]

When did the call sign change from shamrock to green flight?

[@josephspinner4231]

This is Aer Lingus UK, not Aer Lingus Ireland. Aer Lingus (EIN) is still identified as Shamrock, Aer Lingus UK (EUK) is identified as Greenflight. :)

[@RATINDEXA320]

this whole PAN vs MAYDAY in the US is kind of useless... great video

[@jmcmillen19]

I thought they were shamrock? Edit: of course I look at older comments and find the answer

[@stephenconnolly2582]

Aerlingus codename is shamrock not green?

[@JohnDoe-sg1pd]

Who is Green Flight? No more Shamrock?

[@daveschmidt1601]

When did Aer Lingus change their callsign from Shamrock to Green Flight

[@nancyoffenhiser4916]

Agreed

[@adyx]

It's Aer Lingus UK, hence the English accents the pilots have

[@danielforrester5265]

I think it is the callsign of Aer Lingus UK based in Manchester.

[@musman9853]

Wasn't aer lingus' call sign shamrock

[@brandonaviationhd]

This is Aer Lingus UK so it’s a different callsign

[@Rev1Kev]

I was surprised as well…..

[@KC-RallyPlanes]

Aer Lingus UK

[@hewhohasnoidentity4377]

@@brandonaviationhd I wasn't aware of the airline or the call sign. Thx.

[@maltreatedpony]

A good example of how sloppy and non-standard RT wastes time and causes confusion when it is least needed.

[@spelldaddy5386]

Interesting decision to go around. Usually a go around is safer than trying to force the aircraft down and crashing, but in a situation where there is fire/smoke onboard, it is probably best to spend as little time in that sealed tube as possible. Granted, they said the smoke was dissipating, but who knows if you climb away from the airport it might immediately come back or get worse. Going around on an engine failure is one thing, where the aircraft is in relatively stable condition, but fire/smoke seems much more risky to go around unless the approach is REALLY bad

[@afh7689]

Plus downgrading to a pan. Smoke might be dissipating, but there's still smoke.

[@VASAviation]

It's a go around because of an unstable approach.

[@jarrettberl6166]

@@VASAviation what does that mean?

[@EdOeuna]

Pretty poor piloting if you have an emergency, divert for a “land at nearest suitable” and then cock it up and go around.

[@flyaround5953]

@@EdOeuna you also gotta take in account they were dealing with winds from incoming Hurricane Nicole so that didn’t help either

[@RonPiggott]

Better to divert than be stuck at 30,000 feet on fire. I think of Swiss Air 111 when I hear these things.

[@cml1864]

Some weird terminology used by the controller

[@Bluerazor52]

@@flapppytappybird7923 Yes, incorrect terminology.

[@nickemer3080]

Completely disagree. I instruct out of this airport and these controllers are some of the best I've dealt with. I think it was a great job

[@dmmtrck6310]

Hi Vasa. As an Irish citizen can you please answer this question for me...as an avid flight enthusiast Aer Lingus always went under the Call Sign "SHAMROCK". When did the CS change to "GREEN FLIGHT" I'd appreciate your input....cheers

[@Tellemore]

Just asked the same thing … BA is taking over more and more.

[@brook2309]

I am no expert, but I believe Shamrock is Aer Lingus and Green Flight is Aer Lingus UK, which is a separate subsidiary

[@dmmtrck6310]

Brook2309 thank you for your clarification on the diff between Green Flight and Shamrock origins. But if there is another reason for the name change would love to hear.

[@ethanrayhorn]

It didn’t change. Aer Lingus operated flights still use Shamrock as the callsign. This flight was operated by Aer Lingus UK which is a different airline with a separate AOC# (air operator’s certificate). Aer Lingus, as you know, operates flights to Ireland. Aer Lingus UK was created as a UK registered airline to allow service directly from a foreign country to the UK. Currently Manchester, UK is the only Aer Lingus UK base. The aircraft operated by the UK company were transferred from Aer Lingus but were re-registered with UK (G) registrations instead of Irish (EI) registrations. Every airline with a unique AOC must have a different callsign, which is where the Greenflight callsign comes in. Orlando actually has both Shamrock AND Greenflight callsigns. MCO-DUB is operated by an Irish aircraft and uses Shamrock callsign, whereas MCO-MAN is operated by UK aircraft and uses Greenflight. Both aircraft carry the same paint scheme on the outside so an uninformed passenger wouldn’t know the difference except for the Irish or UK flag on the tail.

[@dmmtrck6310]

Ethanrayhorn4336 thank you for a very informative explanation. It clarifies everything. Also a previous viewer stated the same thing. Thank you to you both.

[@tobysong7323]

Was it“ hard stand”the ops said?😮

[@josephspinner4231]

Yes, hard stand.

[@martintrodden2743]

Has aer lingus changed their call sign

[@VASAviation]

Negative, this is Aer Lingus UK

[@theEagleBeagle]

Orlando wouldn't have been that far to go back to. so really must've been urgent.

[@josephspinner4231]

At the time there was heavier precipitation in the Orlando area, so that could also have been a factor as well as urgency.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

Down grading to a PAN shows that they weren’t that urgent

[@flowerpower1400]

@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 we could smell smoke in the cockpit

[@liam3284]

Nobody wants another Swissair 111

[@haydenfox16]

Daytona controllers are typically excellent but it seemed like they were a little unprepared for this situation.

[@josephspinner4231]

Definitely. I’m sure this will be used as a training example in the future.

[@fuzion7905]

to be fair that day they also evacuated like over 60 riddle planes because of the hurricane

[@rccosplay3249]

Orlando to Manchester? Should be Orlando to Ireland somewhere??

[@VASAviation]

To Manchester, yes

[@corkstudentpilot]

No it's Aer Lingus UK, which is a subsidiary of the main airline. So they have British registered aircraft and are based in Manchester.

[@NicolaW72]

@@corkstudentpilot Aer Lingus, their subsidiary Aer Lingus UK and also British Airways are members of the International Airlines Group IAG - next to the Lufthansa Group and Air France KLM one of the three major Legacy Carrier Groups in Europe.

[@SPTSuperSprinter156]

@@corkstudentpilot Do they land the A330s at Manchester though? I thought anyone flying from/to Manchester had to connect through Dublin.

[@KevinAndrew350]

@@SPTSuperSprinter156 It's a wholly owned subsidiary based at Manchester operating New York, Orlando and Barbados with a based A321LR and A333.

[@JimWhitaker]

Interesting that they are not on oxygen masks.

[@Tellemore]

If this is an Aer Lingus flight why are they using “Green Flight” instead of “Shamrock”? An English crew and GB registration makes it clear the Aer Lingus brand is no longer Irish- pity.

[@kiranclarke869]

wow aer lingus UK only owns 2 aircraft, if something happened to this one it would literally be half of their fleet gone. (ik it's just a subsidary but still...)

[@patricknovoa7699]

It’s still down I’m Daytona too so they only have half their fleet operational lol

[@cdtaylor7732]

Seemed a bit of a crap show there. Lots of hands an no clear voice. I’m shocked Ops didn’t just request the field and priority to be the lead voice

[@N1120A]

Seems like the crew wasn't all that experienced flying in the US.

[@VASAviation]

Why?

[@N1120A]

@@VASAviation emergencies don't get downgraded in the US - PAN and mayday are treated the same. They also weren't assertive in asking for what they wanted, which is what you generally want to do - let them know from the start you want the ILS, let them know you prefer radar vectors - especially if you're unfamiliar with the chart because you are busy and didn't have time to properly brief. Use "heavy" with approach, especially if you have a call sign that ends in Hotel.

[@N1120A]

@@craig7350 well, not exactly. Remember that can vary up to 5 degrees. That is not insignificant. I-DAB, however, is a 070 course.

[@EdOeuna]

@@craig7350 - I expect the tower to know what the magnetic direction of the runway is. In my experience you need this to manually tune the ILS.

[@VASAviation]

Tower needs to know the exact course of their instrument approaches

[@reconnectgaming9996]

Bloody shame aerlingus isn't Irish anymore. Greenflight. Should be shamrock EI instead of EUK.

[@VASAviation]

Incorrect

[@reconnectgaming9996]

Nope it's not it's ownd by AIG that own BA and ibera. Not irish anymore!

[@josephspinner4231]

This is Aer Lingus UK, so it’s not technically Irish Aer Lingus

[@dmorgandub]

Aer Lingus is still EI and Shamrock, but they set up a UK Subsidiary (Aer Lingus UK) after Brexit which is EUK and Green

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

@@reconnectgaming9996 aerlingus is still Irish, just the same as Iberia is Spanish and BA is British

[@k1mgy]

ATC standards have obviously slipped. No phoetics. Numbers expressed in non-standard manner. Lack of familiarity with PAN. Awful!

[@jayschafer1760]

I'm not terribly impressed with ATC either, but no one can be on their absolute A game and perfect all the time, and the controllers could have been MUCH worse or they could have panicked. I'm sure that the supervisors have already reviewed the tapes multiple times and coached not just the controllers in question but also the rest of their staff how to do things differently/better next time.

[@RATINDEXA320]

lol. in the US they spell it like that a lot... it works just fine, it's a lot faster... i can see your point where english is second language to everyone involved.

[@RATINDEXA320]

@@jayschafer1760 you probably never flown in DAB. these are one of the best controllers in the nation. the amount of traffic these guys work is insane. i visited the tracon 3 times when I instructed out of there. top notch controllers. 715,336 operations in a year that's almost 2000 a day.

[@EdOeuna]

Imagine diverting with a fire/smoke on board then stuffing up the approach and having to fly a go around. Did they get their licences in a corn flakes packet?

[@VASAviation]

Why that lack of respect to the crew?

[@AMN12345]

@@VASAviation I'd have a lot less respect for the crew, if they'd landed from an unstable approach. Every approach is a go around with an option to land - that's a good rule to remember.

[@NicolaW72]

@@AMN12345 Indeed.

[@dalydegagne1839]

Ed your disrespect for the pilots is uncalled for. You are a one trick pony whose first response is get on the ground right away. Everything's not always as clear cut as you might like.

[@PetrolHeadBrasil]

Ed, go ahead an do better, a$$hole.....

[@mikek5298]

Another blow to the Airbus fanboys. First Korean Air grounds their A330s and now more problems popping up. Looks like Airbus puts profits before safety.

[@VASAviation]

That's a nonsense

[@NicolaW72]

@@VASAviation 👍

[@herrpausr7008]

American based Boeing fanboy? 😂