Vaush SPILLS THE TEA On Destiny, TYT, TJ Kirk & His Feuds

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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZbin. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZbin, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode.
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[@afterhourscinema782]

Kyle's ability to assume the best of people truly astounds me. *Just a reminder,* Destiny once said Kyle's father deserved to die from cancer because he went to the chiropractor instead of the doctor. And yet, Kyle rises above those kinds of attacks. Truly admirable.

[@catholicconvert2119]

Why would Destiny say that that’s so bizarre and random hateful comment

[@TheOldSchoolGamer93]

Vaush also called Kyle's wife a fascist. I'm pretty surprised to see Kyle willing to clear the air with him this soon.

[@joe94c]

​@catholicconvert2119 destiny is very spiteful. He's also laughed at rape victims

[@thierry1026]

@@catholicconvert2119 Destiny has some weird super liberal takes from time to time.

[@johnsykes3970]

Honestly, nah, that’s the thing that I dislike the MOST about Kyle. He’s TOO nice, where it kinda borders on being a p-ssy. Why would you EVER be even remotely cool with someone who vehemently attacked you multiple times? (In the case of Destiny). To me, that just makes it look like you have no backbone.

[@Chill_Im_Probably_Trolling]

Kyle wasn’t horsing around in this interview. Vaush on the other hand …

[@boomzy9532]

Kyle continuing to be the most based youtuber ever. Such a genuinely good person.

[@waltergrace565]

Hilarious. Grifting with one of the most unhinged and despicable grifters out there..... This audience is beyond delusional.

[@marc-andredeslauriers7687]

@@waltergrace565this. But i am not surprised most peeps here are as far leftist as you can get. Don’t expect common sense to thrive here

[@Syncopiia]

Walter, you spend your entire life on this channel shitting on Kyle. We know you're just trying to sew division between these two communities.

[@talyahr3302]

Thats why he's my favorite. I've been subscribed to Kyle for like a decade or so and I'm really proud of him. Cherry on top he bangs Krystal on behalf of all of us.

[@lilben4184]

@@Syncopiia *sow division, not sew. common lib literacy L

[@GamerKru1996]

Glad that they both just talked it out, instead of being petty and burning a bridge like what Jimmy Dore did in 2021.

[@Munthasir123]

Well to be fair Jimmy wanted to talk it out but Kyle sided with TYT. It was massively disappointing.

[@mgerdes0331]

Does it matter what Jimmy Dore's opinion on anything is? He's an unhinged grifter.

[@fishingsouthwestflorida1586]

for real, also vaush started it

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

Splitting from Jimmy Dore is a badge of honor.

[@Munthasir123]

@@mgerdes0331 well if you are an OG of the channel you would remember while Kyle and Jimmy had difference of opinion they both admired one another and Kyle would go to watch Jimmy’s shows. Jimmy like Kyle isn’t a bootlicker and stands up for his principles.

[@phaerlax]

I hate how relieved I am that these two people I don't know are still friends lmao

[@Starghost1999]

Lmao too

[@FishSticker]

Need the last sane big leftist figures to not start a feud 🤞

[@Dex2R7]

What was the drama that happened?

[@cjojay]

Me too! Lolll

[@NinjaThatLongboards]

​@@Dex2R7 they disagreed about the Houthis attacking ships

[@rustyshackleford7923]

I really appreciate Kyle and Vaush actually talking out their differences instead of sniping videos at each other. It a class act for two people I respect.

[@ax_ai]

"class act" Vaush is a snake. These people are such p-ssies when confronted.

[@bladerunner3314]

Vaush has done way more than Kyle in this regard. And I think he's an ass and way too full of himself.

[@platypusjonesy2757]

Until Vaush inevitably goes back on it and starts talking sh*t again. Guy's a clown.

[@idontknow5249]

Vaush never talked crap though. He said he disagreed with Kyle and explained why he though his takes were simplistic and misguided.@@platypusjonesy2757

[@Bug-sg1li]

Vaush is toxic drama farmer. No drama no content for him. Wait, he will start talking shit again.

[@MsScarletwings]

As a 12+ year fan of secular talk and few years fan of vaush, super appreciate that y’all took the time to have this discussion!!! Need less spiteful shit-flinging and more good faith convos like this within the community 👍

[@SadBoiKoi]

Vaush is objective garbage tho

[@agentandersonwick8796]

Good faith? Vaush is the biggest grifter there is. He called Kyle anti Semitic just last week

[@hughquigley5337]

YES!! Same here, and my thoughts exactly.

[@ghostpiratelechuck2259]

Vaush literally can’t have a conversation in good faith, and he’s been open about that. He’ll lie to “win” a debate and stands by that.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

@@ghostpiratelechuck2259 what? when you debate Nazis and other conservative psychos they're faking acting in good faith and only by acting in bad faith you(which means not taking their word for it and their positions, its like how when Trump said mexicans are r***s and thieves and some of them are probably good, everybody knew what he meant but Conservatives went on to pretend that wasn't racist in any shape or form) can defeat their arguments because they'll never admit to their real positions which is why you can't be good faith with them, Fascists don't admit they're Fascist and they're racist and that's why they'll never admit that's why they hate immigration, and if you take their word for it you've already lost, and you don't know this because you don't watch debates with Conservatives and how it goes.

[@citizen_cicero]

Kyle loves to horse around with his pal Vaush

[@dcworld4349]

Be curious to see what Kyle would say now.

[@dcworld4349]

@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf Who is maga in this context? Vaush or Kyle aren't they both very left leaning? Vaush possibly a bit more than Kyle, but unless something has changed since I last listened to him Kyle hasn't gone the center left route like others have.

[@xxg6573]

​@@dcworld4349 Yeah the libertarian CP lover is more left. That creep attacked almost all the leftists. Spewing slurs and made up words to appeal intellectual. Took me a while to realise he's just another grifter, libertarian should be the first red flag.

[@dcworld4349]

@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf I googled what you said and still I have no earthly idea what you are on about and what that has to do with this.

[@sanityshorror]

Was looking to find the first horse comment 💀💀💀💀😭

[@christraeger5090]

I 100% agree with Vaush when he says the appetite for debates isn't there anymore. I'm sick of the debate bro culture. I don't learn anything. I much prefer good faith conversations like these.

[@gordons-alive4940]

Not Lex Friedman, though. But the people he talks to have opinions Vaush thinks are really bad. Of course. THOSE PEOPLE should be shouted down.

[@christraeger5090]

@@gordons-alive4940 I mean I kind of agree with Vaush about Lex. He tried to play kumbaya with people who are straight up lying or racist. There is no middle ground to be had with liars and grifters.

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

​@@christraeger5090Yeah I can't stand this spineless attitude towards grifters. He just gives them a large platform to spew their shit without any adequate push-back.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

Vaush always compliments Kyle and his integrity, he only shits on Breaking Point because its mostly a conservative show, it would have been stupid to burn bridges over a political disagreement, its nothing personal, the Vanguard dudes are kinda gross for trying to farm drama by putting Kyle against Vaush

[@Sid00077]

Breaking points is a conservative show? Lmao.

[@merciless972]

Vaush just loves to talk shit, and wants to believe he's always right. He did the same thing with Robert Evans from behind the bastards. Even though they would actually get along.

[@WitchDoctor87]

Breaking points isn't mostly conservative... where did you hear that?? Lmao

[@jimbob9407]

What makes it a conservative show?

[@oklol7799]

@@Sid00077its got a mostly conservative audience because they think he’s anti establishment. The show itself is decent though and isn’t conservative

[@zicob2536]

If only people like Jimmy Dore, Dave Rubin and Tim Pool had an once of integrity of Kyle.

[@polyticks8453]

If only they had just one *ONCE* of integrity things would be different. So true. ❤

[@Ar1AnX1x]

Kyle would be worth +20 million by now if he sold products like David Pakman does, the video ends and he always has something new to sell, bro sells literally everything its honestly impressive

[@julesdalli9716]

Integrity doesn't bring in the Benjamins.

[@maquacr7014]

​@@Ar1AnX1x Pakman is a shill for Israel.

[@maquacr7014]

​@@julesdalli9716 Oy vey. Shalom rabbi. Kicked out of 109 clubs but it was never once my fault.

[@seanbinkley7363]

I thought this was going to be a reaction video from Kyle about Vaush's videos but I'm pleasantly surprised that they are talking directly to one another. This should be how these discussions happen.

[@DillonWaffles]

Seriously. I like a bunch of different leftists videos, but they all seem to hate each other because they tend to call each other out instead of trying to just have an honest conversation about it. It’s dumb because they usually are arguing for the same point, but are just mad over small misunderstandings. Content like this is 100x more effective in strengthening common positions.

[@seanbinkley7363]

@@DillonWaffles 100% agreement.

[@komlat253]

he already did that on the vanguard haha

[@cezarcatalin1406]

@@DillonWaffles Vaush intentionally farms drama from other smaller leftist channels and sucks up to larger channels like Kyle and David Pakman… if you can even call the second one a “leftist”. I know a sophist little grifter creep when I see one. Oh and if a leftist channel doesn’t want to be nice to him or even has substantive disagreements that he can’t just handwave away, he will 100% call them tankies.

[@jingbot1071]

@@DillonWaffles It's because all of them have insufferable communities they need to cater to. Without this, these casters would be in lockstep.

[@sebastiancuadros5257]

Talk about the obvious I personally leaned with Vaush on your take on the Houthis, but neither of you are afraid to hide behind a curtain and are upfront about your opinions and I would love to see the record set straight

[@mikelee388]

I’m sure they address in the full length podcast that should be up on Apple Podcasts tomorrow

[@donovan4222]

It’s so easy to trick Americans into believing they should attack another country. Liberals always oppose every war except the current one.

[@tylerhackner9731]

I like both Vaush and Kyle, I hate seeing people who are (or should theoretically be) on the same side of things fight. But also I find it entertaining because I just get sucked in anyway.

[@cegesh1459]

Vaush is simply wrong latly on a lot of things like Yemen, drugs etc.

[@YouAreStillNotablaze]

​@@cegesh1459 Explain how he's wrong on Yemen. Explain how he's wrong about 'weed smokers get way too defensive about their habit' which is what started that drama.

[@kennybachman35]

@@cegesh1459he’s pretentious AF.

[@kennybachman35]

⁠@@YouAreStillNotablazeit’s a strawman argument. It’s hyperbolic at best, and a ridiculous generalization.

[@kodyk.7649]

@@YouAreStillNotablazeprobably because a lot of weed have every right to be defensive towards a bunch of people not minding their business lol.

[@jamesharns672]

Happy to see you guys chatting and working it out. Hate for two of my favorite KZbinrs to be fighting.

[@Charles-Darwin]

Vaush can talk, but I can't stand his know-it-all takes and how inconsistent his values really are

[@zorastin]

Vaush keeps on throwing sensationalist vids and drama out, you might want to stop following Vaush if you want to stay clear of that childish shit. Vaush is so full of himself and a bit of a sycophant.... you really like him? At least Kyle has a little humility, Vaush ewww.

[@ghriszlybare2547]

​@Charles-Darwin half of the time he's just joking but he is certainly confident in his own beliefs. Maybe too confident. I'm not sure why you say his values aren't consistent though

[@Charles-Darwin]

@@ghriszlybare2547 he a centrist that masquerades as progressive imo. He was expressing Bernie as too far left and criticizing with the context that he's a socialist, then here he's invoking Bernie within the entirely opposite context. The other day he wouldn't stop vocalizing Biden as the be-all end-all, today he's tipped the other way, actually pointing out what makes Biden suck ass. The weed topic, the other day he was just unreasonable...it really makes no sense in his case, but since he gets his fix from the pharmacy, his drugs are superior and non addictive (although classically actually addictive). It's the flippy floppy, rubber spine, while acting like he's got this impenetrable set of principles and values that make me cautious. These are just the things I could pick out in this vid...most of it is swiss cheese. Watch it if you want, doesn't matter to me. Just ask yourself: does he really offer a true opinion he believes in, or is he just serving up piping hot bullshit for farming view counts and controversy in the comment section?

[@contentovercommaz4754]

​@@Charles-DarwinI genuinely believe is a fairly left of center personally, Iv seen alot of his content, interesting take though as your not the only one saying this.

[@kyle1235]

Kyle's distinction on the two different types of addiction is probably the best take I've heard him make.

[@nathanmiller3891]

Yeah kyle is on the money in regards to addiction.

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

If I'm not mistaken, dysfunctionality is baked into the definition of addiction.

[@ZoeySaysTransRights]

While drama is certainly amusing I hope that they touch on the ICJ ruling and what may happen going forward.

[@fanofanimation4293]

This convo was likely filmed before the ruling.

[@ZoeySaysTransRights]

@@fanofanimation4293 Thanks for the info!

[@joethemig1522]

The ICJ has no real actionable power.

[@MrNiceVoice]

​@@ZoeySaysTransRights there's a video discussing the ICJ ruling up already

[@masterchief9291]

Absolutely nothing will come out of it. It's basically a strongly worded suggestion.

[@Colleywoodstudios]

Kudos to Kyle and vaush. Even though they've disagreed recently they're not shit slinging like most internet tards. They're still talking and being polite.

[@TheMattMercy]

I'm not surprised that you're a Vaush fan because you insist on using slurs.

[@SundayTopper]

@@TheMattMercy reported.

[@vandalrabbit2338]

​@@TheMattMercyit truly is their calling card.

[@Magicwillnz]

It's because they're adults whereas the rest of the online "left" can't get past naughty language.

[@LEP021085]

Hmm kinda like the Shapiro x Destiny debate? You know the one vanish is critical of

[@TurtleTimeVoiceOvers]

14:23 You can be habitually addicted to smoking pot. But like being habitually addicted to chewing your nails etc., there won’t be chemical dependence or physical withdrawal symptoms after quitting. But I’ve definitely seen mental withdrawals.

[@eddiehauser6661]

No debate with Alex Jones can ever be productive, it's like arguing with a 6 year old

[@co-bruh1423]

It’s like arguing with a grenade; the time since the pin was pulled being unknown.

[@henocksherlock3340]

if you're as bad faith as piers is, then everything you do is meaningless, including that

[@snapgab]

Depends on what you think the goal of debate is. If the goal is to change the other person 's mind then yeah, you're not going to be able to do that. But if the goal is to humiliate your opponent and make their views look dumb and make their audience rethink if they want to subscribe to their ideology, then I think it's plausible to have a productive debate with Alex Jones. (Productive in that case being defined by how much you managed to embarrass him without embarrassing yourself.) You'd have to be funny, willing to be rude and shout over him, etc, but it seems plausible.

[@khamronboothe3632]

You guys are some of the best political channels on KZbin and happy that you guys were able to talk and hash it out!

[@hughquigley5337]

Feraligatr fans stay winning

[@danivy99]

Is it weird that I really just want them to be friends because I really enjoy both of their content?😂

[@Ar1AnX1x]

there was zero reason to have any beef, really it was those Vanguard dudes putting Kyle against Vaush to farm drama saying stuff like "Vaush called you an anti-semite" while Vaush never called Kyle anything and always just compliments Kyle constantly, criticizing a political position is different from a personal attack

[@AngryShooter]

It's weird and parasocial, but also a totally normal instinct. Unless you're antisocial we're wired towards socialization and it's difficult for our brains to distinguish people we know irl from online figures we watch regularly, we get the illusion that we know them, but we really don't. Irl you'd probably also prefer for your friends to get along, so that's sort of where that instinct comes from.

[@Armeddragon12]

@@Ar1AnX1x To be fair, Vaush's insistence to call the actions people do as Fascistic, Nazi, or anti-semetic is his biggest issue. People do connect people's actions with what they are. Humans are unfortunatly built to make these shortcuts. And Vaush would save so many relationships with online creators if he only stopped that. Regular humans don't have his autistic build to seperate actions being Fascist and a Person being a Fascist.

[@danivy99]

@@AngryShooter wow that was very articulate and very true. 😂

[@TejanoTigre]

@@Ar1AnX1x He's called Krystal all sorts of names in his videos. I wouldn't want to be buddy buddies who has publicly called my wife a bitch but that's just me

[@poisonduckee]

Vaush just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean theyre getting defensive.

[@HKy0uma]

Until they start calling you a child and to "manage your finances better" pro elite never worked a real god damn day in his life.

[@Flugmorph]

the live chat here was so embarassing, they didnt even try to follow the talk, simply just shit flinging at vaush, how shameful.

[@lucascarroll4859]

I was Vaish regularly but I think there is plenty of shit that could be flung at him, the important question is what kind of shit was being flung?

[@Flugmorph]

@@lucascarroll4859 horse shit

[@Zelorp]

Probably something to do with his weed takes. The stoners really hate it when you speak ill of their constant, all consuming obsession.

[@Flugmorph]

@@Zelorp truuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[@southend26]

Between Kyle's hair and Vaush's fashion, we are approaching end game.

[@petre1758]

The real Kyaush style

[@joshallen4848]

The idea of "work, work, work" rather than just enjoying what you enjoy has built this grand civilization that's crumbling all around us. So maybe working ad nauseum isn't the best idea.

[@TheMasterOfPeanuts]

Here here. Vaush's arguments against daily weed use sound eerily like grindset / hustle culture. Kind of toxic.

[@austaneousc5802]

​@@TheMasterOfPeanutsThese takes are silly. You hear Vaush's position and you infer a toxic grindset mentality. The dude's literally a socialist who hammers against gig economy/ grindset culture all the time. He's highlighting that its in human nature to be productive and that many people who use drugs habitually arent achieving full self actualisation and are probably unhappy. If you cant get through the day sober, even if you're high functioning, there's probably something missing in your life. I dont like the way he's spoken about it previously, but it's pretty clear in this convo that he's coming from a good place.

[@Zelorp]

Or maybe getting high everyday isn’t good for you, physically or mentally?

[@beyond_the_tequila_rift3194]

Kyle Kulinski should be running and holding a political position in government. He in my opinion has the charisma, the knowledge and ability to grasp a situation and remain calm and be a voice of reason. Any MFer could disagree, but he has a very rational and logical thought process.

[@ravenswood118]

lmao

[@catholicconvert2119]

No he’s honestly fine where he is at

[@babymonalisa]

He has all the qualities I admire in a leader and it would be my heart's desire.

[@timber-lodge7765]

I'm so glad to see you two talking. Some of my favorite people on KZbin. Would love to see more chats like this

[@eetdarichmarx7423]

Vaush, a person who is in favor of pedophilia and takes regular aim at actual leftists, is one of your favorite people on KZbin? I think expanding your horizons is in order.

[@cpnd]

I am here for the tea.

[@SupermanChampionOfTheOppressed]

I think TJ Kirk should be in this conversation.

[@dragoninthewest1]

I agree.

[@robinvik1]

I think TJ has basically been lobotomized at this point and don't have anything worthwhile to contribute anymore

[@theamazingatheist]

Agreed.

[@aJoats]

@@theamazingatheist The man, the myth, the legend 👍

[@uptildawnltd3253]

@@theamazingatheistspotted a wild TJ

[@oklol7799]

Glad they talked it out instead of having their bridge burn. We need more unity on the left! I do wish Kyle had a bridge with Destiny though. I remember Destiny had said he wanted to reach out to Kyle to apologize for the harsh commentary and be on good terms

[@BryanBurkhart]

Destiny is an alt right grifter.

[@hughquigley5337]

Really?! That is news to me. It’s heartwarming to know that, honestly. I totally agree, and if the online left could be slightly more unified or at least tolerate each other’s existences and differences of opinion (within reason) a little more then we could get some truly wonderful stuff done.

[@jakebonnett1675]

Vaush and Kyle are the only two I watch anymore, and it just so happens they're both really good at taking criticism, and they may address it, and then just move on and let it slide off their backs.

[@nolongerblocked6210]

Destiny seems like a horrible person. Feels like he's waiting for that big offer from some right-wing millionaire to pull a Dave Rubin

[@cezarcatalin1406]

@@jakebonnett1675 Please watch more Kyle and less Vaush. At least with Kyle you get sincere thoughts, with Vaush you get sophistry disguised as optics.

[@jayray1714]

"Did you watch the Destiny/Shapiro debate?" "No." "Okay, well let's talk about it like you did."

[@christopher6754]

As a totally disabled vet who regularly uses green substances, I find myself in a strange spot. It undoubtedly helps sooooo much with the mental health issues, but I am infinitely more lazy now. I find myself far less likely to "take charge and just do it" with things that are semi important but not really time sensitive.

[@nolongerblocked6210]

This is a very true statement that most weed users would/could understand. Personally I've got about 6-8 different alarms set-up on my phone that I update the times to go off on daily that remind me to get going on certain things. It definitely can be a challenge, but I'd rather struggle with motivation from a natural substance than a big pharma prescribed addictive substance

[@nathanmiller3891]

You may need to have help finding the right dose that allows you to feel good but still get things done. I would work with a dispensery and or your dr. On that.

[@j85grim4]

Okay I signed up on Substack but the Vaush episode is not there. Is that coming later today?

[@arjansahota4911]

You get on Friday if you are a paid member on KK&F at 9 EST. You get on Saturday at the same time if you aren’t.

[@j85grim4]

​@@arjansahota4911I just signed up as a paid member... it's not listed on the page.

[@SixStringHarmonies]

Addicts whose addiction is harming their life know their addiction is harming their life. It just adds to the cycle of self-loathing and fuels continued addiction. For most functional addicts there is a reward system built into the usage calculus. The point is to let people make their own mistakes and have help available when they're ready. The core of addiction (any co-dependence) is HOPELESSNESS. Unfortunately, hopelessness is in large supply in the US.

[@xxxxxx7469]

I could never understand how Kyle got Krystal Ball, but now seing how fucking HUGE confidence he has and ability to rise above petty shit like Vaush and these other youtubers get into, i completley get it now.

[@fighterck6241]

This makes me so happy👏👏👏. Hopefully, this can be an example and even set a precedent for the rest of the progressive online creators out there!!!

[@S3ven4]

As someone who used to like Destiny, Destiny lost me with the Zionist stuff. He is in 90% agreement with Ben Shapiro on Israel and Palestine. Unacceptable and horrific. Haven't watched Destiny since.

[@nickh3935]

same. i don't know how anyone can sit through 4 months of dishonest rhetoric and apologist behavior. also his community has been a hasan-tier echo chamber since then, which is extremely ironic.

[@S3ven4]

@@nickh3935 Yeah exactly why I jumped ship hell no

[@SarastistheSerpent]

For me it was his anti-trans rhetoric. The Zionist stuff is just icing on the cake and completely expected given his other opinions

[@hichaelhighers]

This is a thing lots of people do not really seem to understand: the fact that cannabis, as Vaush puts it, makes you "happy doing less", yes, it can of course be a detrimental thing, but it is more nuanced, it can also be a POSITIVE. We are so conditioned to always be on the grind, always plan, work, lookout, think, etc., that sometimes we forget to simply LIVE. Being grateful and content in the moment is an essential skill for your mental health and we collectively un-learned it. Mindfulness, cherishing the moment, being satisfied with what you are is a toolkit that is very important and lots of people struggle with it, especially when it comes to ADHD and depression. So it's this thing you have to balance, it's not as simple as "not doing something is bad', it is a matter of how you use this tool.

[@diggerman00007]

Nice to see these two together, two of my favourite commentators

[@jimbob9407]

Why are they your favorite???

[@waltergrace565]

Please do not engage in any form of intellectual discussion anymore.

[@marc-andredeslauriers7687]

Sad to hear. There’s no cure for your condition, unfortunately

[@Cryo_Gen]

same. watch the chuds seethe

[@jefftonsman]

​@@waltergrace565cope

[@DaveTadros]

Click baited HARD. I can't believe you cut out the literal part of the video I wanted to hear and watched the whole premier for. You got me!

[@Jay24K77]

The hero we didn't deserve, but needed

[@sjp2649]

What part got cut?

[@jetkirby]

Which part did they not talk enough about? Or did Kyle change his video title? I heard them talk about destiny, tyt, and tj Kirk and the feuds vaush has with all 3, is there other feuds I'm unfamiliar with?

[@taylorw3019]

It's not posted on substack yet rip

[@Matt_of_the_mountains]

​@@sjp2649the part where they discuss Kyle's take saying the Houthis are right and Vaush's response

[@theflaggeddragon9472]

The pot was tilted but the spill is behind a paywall D:

[@samu_eln1nja]

dw, paywall is removed saturday trust the plan

[@tiberseptim8434]

Vaush is like the one buddy who is stubborn as hell, and says some insensitive😅 shit, but you generally get his brutally honest opinion on whatever you ask. It‘s that trait I value in both him & Kyle.

[@ashleyen3]

Nah. I don't give him a pass for his bs. He's smug and so up his own azz.

[@WitchDoctor87]

My view of Vaush and Kyle is this. Vaush straw man's his opponents and Kyle strong man's them. As well Vaush takes all of what he THINKS as true. Even when he makes staments like in this video. Example in this video being he says a statement about denial with those that smoke weed.... Denial of addiction isn't limited just to weed. It's to every form of addiction.

[@PandemoniumVice]

A lot of that insensitive shit and brutal honesty comes from the autism.

[@KenShackler]

@@WitchDoctor87 But he didn't say that denial of addiction would be limited to just weed smokers. He literally joked about alcoholics who are in denial and act like they're only having a good time.

[@gordons-alive4940]

​@@WitchDoctor87 Yeah. I haven't heard much of Vaush, to be honest, but here he shits on Lex Friedman for having civil conversations with people who have ideas that Vaush thinks are very bad. I assume he was exaggerating or straw manning Friedman because I haven't known LF to have on someone who favors massacring trans people or any other similar group and treating that like it's a valid opinion Then again, there are people on the left who think if you don't believe that trans people are men/women full stop, no difference between them and someone born with male/female biology, you MUST BE in favor of killing them because you have denied their existence, so who knows. He also shits on people with a more argumentative, louder style, but I noticed all of those people had views Vaush strongly disagreed with. Which seems actually to be Vaush's approach to dealing with people he thinks have harmful views on a subject. Those people should be shouted down, I take it? Or not talked to at all, other than to shout them down? He certainly has a problem with Friedman having a civlil back and forth with those people.

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

Great conversation, guys. Glad to see it.

[@Alexa-Raine]

I find it hilarious and awesome that after finding Kyle in my recommended a week ago, my man Vaush is here. I influenced this talk. Else I too was influenced along with Vaush and Kyle, so threeso-😂

[@goinsaneonthedailydemonsinside]

Am I dreaming? This is the kind of content I live for

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

Yes. Needless petty drama rather than actual political debate. This isn’t too far from celebrity drama.

[@goinsaneonthedailydemonsinside]

@@dylanbuchanan6511 you know we ain’t squashing no beef. My dog got dumped in the middle of the road we leaving this shit in the streets

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

I don’t speak mumbled rap@@goinsaneonthedailydemonsinside

[@goinsaneonthedailydemonsinside]

@@dylanbuchanan6511 what makes you think im rapping? I’m threatening you

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

Pffft. Oh yes mister man on the other end of the internet. Come threaten me a million miles away. I bet you’re an ex navy seal with a trained gunman on my head right now. Lol@@goinsaneonthedailydemonsinside

[@mangafan88]

So glad you both the time to sitdown and talk things over. You both are my favorite political comentators.

[@KufLMAO]

Oh thank god they talked, I’m actually so relieved rn

[@Ar1AnX1x]

if you wanna watch Charlie Kirk get destroyed and embarrassed in a debate go watch that Tim Pool video with Kirk vs Vaush

[@Spencerwalker21]

Mlk is a mixed bag 😂 man that lines rent free in my head.

[@forestgames03]

where is this clip from? I feel like this isn't the whole convo and I'd like to be able to find it

[@NightGlock]

That's quite the cliffhanger🗿

[@kazz970]

There is a difference: Dependence is using a drug but able to function in society. Addiction is drug use that inhibits normal social function.

[@jackfollansbee168]

Kyle involved in drama always seems weird cause he never is. Feels like when my dad gets into drama

[@spicymemes7458]

He is doing this shit for views. It's degrading.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

@@spicymemes7458 why shouldn't he though? if you think you have good political positions that's good for the world you're gonna gonna reach people unless you get views and drama is where its at, I mean look at Destiny, bro got 500k views constantly attacking Leftists and Hasan when the Gaza war started, I mean imagine getting that many views and clout when you're focused on dunking on your previous friend/enemy while saying stuff like "I think Israel will just throw palestinians out and it is what it is, there's no easy solutions" can you imagine how cold you have to be to use a war to start drama when people are being bombed to death? and that gets views, not Kyle's clean and humanitarian segments, that's the sad part

[@lokensicarius9347]

I get that, I think Its because Kyle is aiming for tangible change, where as peeps like TJ and Vaush are just entertainers. The Vibes be off.

[@Kalepsis]

What we need is a Democrat like Shawn Fain to kick the Biden-types out of the party and bring in young Bernies.

[@supa1954]

I can't find the full length on substack do I need to pay for a subscription?

[@habl844]

It releases later this week.

[@supa1954]

@@habl844 thank you for info much appreciated

[@AH-vm8yo]

Hey isn't that guy you're talking too a Captain on the front lines of Loli-hill?

[@gobi3751]

There are functioning addicts. It's not always bad. But if it gets to the point that you're not able to function, then that is a problem.

[@thesuperostrich]

It’s a problem either way

[@philippwachter8748]

Thank you both! Im glad this could be resolved

[@TheDannyStylez]

Great discussion! Appreciate both of your voices in the online left so this is awesome Vaush got on KKF

[@ericgordon1290]

Dat Horse Loli stuff doe. Huge Vaush L. Never gonna recover from that ya freak.

[@gorkmusic]

Vaush is both smugly elitist and also pedantic and petty.

[@iron666221666221]

cool

[@Khalkara]

How?

[@BeingBadAtMaths]

VDS is craaazzyy.

[@garrettrains3916]

I agree 100%

[@charleswomack2166]

I too have Vaush's love for arguing for argument's sakes. And as a recovering addict/alcoholic, I think that he was spot on regarding how addicted people cannot see all the harm they have caused.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

did the video cut off suddenly before it actually ended?

[@galwhite7011]

I’m happy you and vaush are still chill

[@rockofshame]

I would like more Kyle/Vaush discussions

[@TheGreatGario]

Awesome of Kyle to bring Vaush on to discuss a few items he recently disagreed with him on, it's pretty cool of him to do that.

[@victornavarro113]

Such a great conversation. Y'all are great. Keep up the great work. Love you guys 💪👐😁

[@oklol7799]

Where’s the sub stack of this convo? I’m subscribed and can’t find it

[@KenShackler]

Yeah, I subscribed to sub stack just for this. Where is it?

[@oklol7799]

@@KenShackler I think it’ll be uploaded tomorrow

[@masonsaunders]

Everybody's sick of people yelling at each other. People love having civilized conversation again. Everybody yells at each other all the time on social media. We need civilized debate conversation. Lex delivers that

[@juanamador440]

Awwwwww. Damn. Cut the interview short?! I was really into this one being a huge fan of both these guys. Ok. Guess I’m gonna have to pay 💰 Great interview friends!

[@ColinJoseph5154]

I signed up for substack but the rest of this video isn’t there… 😢

[@iceyroo]

Vaush x Kyle: the ultimate combo

[@wackykidz12]

6 days until our bday, Kyle

[@adamsoued8389]

Anyone know where the full convo on substack is? Looked all over this darn website and cant find it anywhere.

[@helene420]

Krystal, Kyle and Friends is name of the show on substack. The audio version is free starting tomorrow or Sunday I think. Otherwise if you want video you have to pay $5 per month.

[@SpikeTFA]

I was hoping to listen to this whole thing on Spotify.. do I really have to sign up to hear the whole thing?

[@joetheagent]

Kyle's attitude toward other streamers is both highly generous and very admirable. I actually wish more leftist creators took this stance... or were able to resist the temptation to drama farm... Its not to say that you never have a conversation about a "hot take" that someone had about you... but avoiding the drama farming that goes on with "hot takes" being swapped back and forth where very little actual meaningful or useful discourse is created but lots of drama (clicks) is... its admirable on Kyle's part and IMO is a healthier "big picture" view on lefty creator relations to rise above that stuff. Infighting is still on of the main reasons why the left is so politically ineffective.

[@jrock71]

I really hope Vaush looks inward and stops doing it

[@joetheagent]

@@jrock71 Voosh and Destiny and TYT and Shoe and TJ and on and on and on... but I agree... Voosh should clean up his act and be more like Kyle.

[@concepts6460]

It's what KZbin incentives. TJ kirk and his cast have talked about it multiple times. It's one of the reasons they ended the drunken peasant podcast because it became about drama. Now they're engaging in it again, but I think more responsibly. It's just the game of KZbin sadly.

[@jrock71]

@@concepts6460 there are a lot of left channels who do not engage in this...Vaush has been doing it for years....I don't watch TJ, so idk, but Vaush and his circle do this all the time

[@joetheagent]

@@jrock71 I"m not sure what "circle" you are talking about... I agree that Voosh is contentious and uncareful about his language... but as far as I know... nobody else on the left likes him very much so I'm not sure what "circle" he belongs to...

[@Alexandervaldes017]

VAUSH BAD

[@TruFrag]

Vaushs view on weed, isn't great. I'm happy to say Im high 99% of the time. My life doesn't happen otherwise. Im disabled legally and weed allows me to own and operate a fine woodworking shop. I know so many people who are just like me. I know more drunks that can't admit they have a problem. Can't drive, work, handle family, ex. Everything he claimed about weed plus so much more.

[@angelantayhua3096]

Damn the first time actually want to see the rest of the interview on this. Excellent communication and excellent introduction of background information Kyle.

[@Juhz0r]

Vaushit here. What's Kyle's stance on horses? As Kyle said, we might agree on 97% of things, but there are non-negotiable things like one's stance on the equine question.

[@EdwardPike]

Im glad yall are talking. You are my 2 favs. Plus krystal.

[@jacobtaylor3598]

"I can't stand Lex Friedman." Lmao, I understand people thinking Lex is corny, but he's a cool dude at least.

[@info_dash313]

Out of one side of their mouths everyone's like, "Wow, a decent conversation between Vaush and Kyle where no one is shouting! We need more of this!" And then the other side is, "Lex Friedman tries to be nice and have civil conversations with NAZIS!!! What a fucking grifter!"

[@jamiebanks4939]

Is there a way you can turn the volume up your end? I can hear other channels easily, but even when I attach a speaker when listening to your channel I still struggle to hear. Is it only me?

[@SSJDuBois]

Do we think they'll kiss?

[@arturo0727]

Yes. 😚😚

[@grahamjones5400]

Vaush:"So you're unironically a Nazi?" Kyle: " Fuck off , Bro!" Vaush:"So you're an ironic Nazi?"

[@waltergrace565]

There's grifting to be done!

[@debunkingdebunkers]

Shoutout to Kyle too, awesome channel and thank you for all you do.

[@Mike93527]

As a functioning addict I can tell you that my experience it’s not so much the drugs effect it’s the cost of the drug and the need to have it to function that is the biggest problem. Vaush is correct when he said it stalls peoples progress financially. It’s another bill that must be paid, and it comes before any other. And that is the problem I experience. Wish I was different

[@Syncopiia]

Hey man, don't beat yourself up about it, addiction just happens to people. Just do your best to keep it in check. If it gets really bad definitely go see someone about it.

[@Galilelo_Telescope]

I was a functioning weed addict for years. I still graduated college, got employed in stem, but my emotional well being wasn't there until I stopped using. Vaush is right about sad stoners. Someone wouldn't be high all the time if they weren't having emotional problems. Most people I know who are addicted to weed have anger issues; I definitely had anger issues when I was smoking regularly and didn't know how to deal with my anger. You wouldn't feel the need to constantly alter reality if you were happy in reality.

[@exi8550]

reality is boring. i and many other people do it for fun

[@thehaymaker3660]

100% with Kyle on the weed front. Most the stoners I personally know are actually doing a lot in life than I am, tarring them with the "addict" brush is just a way of belittling someone who uses a substance you don't approve of.

[@Charlemagnetheman]

I have friends that sit around and get stoned all day. I was one of those people 😂

[@Syncopiia]

One of my friends runs his own dispensary business, dude gets high as shit all the time outside of work, and paints miniatures in the back when customers aren't in the store. But he takes his job very seriously and stays up to date on every law regarding weed and the like and tries to inform every customer that comes in as much as he can. But I've also known plenty of the opposite case, so I'm half and half on it.

[@thehaymaker3660]

@@Charlemagnetheman It all depends on your own personality + the strain.

[@ademafc]

he is purposely saying these irrational things about weed for attention that he gets from it. childish, don't fall for the trap.

[@Cryo_Gen]

yeh but its also an anecdotal thing. most of the stoners i know dont get a whole lot done and cant function without it.

[@Greenham6603]

Five minutes in and this guy has simultaneously said the debates are no longer good because they are too civil Then says you can’t debate here conservatives because they are too crazy. Which is a little buddy?

[@zacharythomas8617]

Its simple. I make money, not comments.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

Vaush sucks, huge ego, radical chic icon, but I'm still glad to see these two get along.

[@hughquigley5337]

I am so, so happy that this conversation happened. Kyle and Vaush are great together!!! Kyle is an incredibly mature and good-hearted person. I like Vaush a LOT, but sometimes there are some annoying things about him like being kinda arrogant (although he usually keeps it in check and he is always getting better at it). It’s hard not to like Kyle though and my qualms with him are usually being too good natured or something and like how can you get mad at someone for that? Obviously within reason.

[@sleepykhajiit1875]

I'm curious why it is you like Vaush so much? I was a big fan of his for about 2 years but eventually he and his community made me want to leave, so I'd be curious to hear another perspective on it.

[@jacksonmagas9698]

@@sleepykhajiit1875 I'm not OP, but for me I keep watching Vaush because once you cut through the hyperbole he tends to be right about things that a lot of people on the left seem to get wrong (from my perspective at least). Its also refreshing to see how aggressive he is about his support for the trans community, a lot of people on the left are quietly supportive, but its nice to see Vaush be like "If you are anti trans than I am anti you" regularly. I'm not trans myself, but one of my close friends is so that is nice to hear.

[@sleepykhajiit1875]

@@jacksonmagas9698 What issues does he get right that a lot of leftists get wrong in your view?

[@jacksonmagas9698]

@@sleepykhajiit1875 primarily foreign policy stuff. There are too many people who suck up to Russia or China or the Houthis or Iran just because they are opposed to the US or because they call themselves communist or because they see Russia as the heir to the USSR. Particularly people just eating propaganda and repeating it uncritically like Hasan often does.

[@hughquigley5337]

@@sleepykhajiit1875 Well, what did you dislike about him? I think he is pretty funny, entertaining, and his political takes are quite good. Also, he generally gives good advice. Certain parts of his personality can be annoying, but I think he has lots of redeeming qualities

[@MrKryton24]

My only beef with Kyle over all these years is how he never came out against Jimmy Dore being a grifter and believed he was a true lefty in some form and couldn't get on board... which therein got then TYT upset and Jimmy Dore wasn't pleased because he wouldn't take his side saying he was a legit voice for left and means well. Kyle ended up just fence sitting and faceplanting. I like to think he matured a bit on this but I never saw him make an official stance on the matter he just wanted to move on and ok fine enough... but bringing up the stuff here that he did with Vaush reminded me that Kyle is indeed a good guy but he certainly has his blind spot moments thinking that people are better than they actually are. Regardless love that you had Vaush on Kyle and I hope more of the left can put crap aside to give it to the GOP and Trump especially which is more important than finger wagging and who hurt X or Ys feefees today.

[@WaddyMuters]

And look at Dore now. I mean the writing was on the wall. Though like you said, Kyle probably wanted to see the good in him, it just wasn’t there.

[@waltergrace565]

Well, you guys are definitely not in a cult...

[@jedison2441]

@@waltergrace565 NO that would be the Dore fans..

[@waltergrace565]

@@jedison2441 Huh? Why is everything here a cult of celebrity to you guys? You're sure not helping your case that you're not in cult....

[@WaddyMuters]

@@waltergrace565 Bro dore is shilling silver. He’s not even running the gold scam, he’s running the loser silver scam. You may not know it, but advertisers know exactly what they are doing and when they pay a creator to shill silver scam that means a whole marketing team have evaluated with mathematical precision that this creators audience is a bunch of gullible morons.

[@shemshate]

I do not see the rest of the interview in the substack :(

[@heathmichael86]

Thank you for demonstrating the effects of low testosterone among modern Western men.

[@kevinmaurer3562]

I see kyle and vaush in the same thumbnail, I click

[@Lyrtha]

I love how Kyle just assumes the best of people and tries to stay out of this drama. It’s actually quite refreshing when arguably half of political content creators thrive on this. Also Vaush: Takes Adderall is fine Uses Weed Chronically: Maybe there is a small window but people are so hard at introspection. Lollllllll. Different things work for different people.

[@lmcdms]

Wait what? sometimes i disagree with vaush but i dont think thats incoherent, like, adderal is a prescribed medication, and weed does have demotivating effects, which is fine sometimes but when you are high most of the time, you dont have time to do the things that matter and help you in the long term be happier, this is coming from someone who used to smoke weed a bit too much (for me at least), and is on adderal

[@Lyrtha]

@@lmcdms you’re missing the whole point of what I said. Different drugs work differently on different people. This isn’t rocket science. I am more focused and get the things I want to get done, high or not. Being low dose medicated ( I wouldn’t even call this high) actually helps me focus, and on days my adhd is bad it is a game changer. Again, I’m sorry weed didn’t work for you but your brain and Vaush’s brain are not everyone’s brain. I don’t get how this is hard to grasp lol Also I don’t smoke weed I micro dose the RSO oil. Don’t even leave a smell behind.

[@Naruto9tF0Xx]

I'm seeing a lot of comments praising the civility between Kyle and Vaush. Why is it only a good thing when that exists between people who mostly agree with each other? But then with the Destiny and Shapiro debate that's an issue? There's an art to debating and keeping it civil and I thought it was a solid debate or conversation...whatever you want to call it. Seeing 2 completely different types of people engage in civil discource is a good thing. It's an exchange of ideas and leveling. Shit slinging or 1 up-ing the other person is just debate optics and advances no arguments in good faith.

[@OmegaMadMaxFusion]

I'm glad to see this conversation taking place.

[@lakcheong1499]

Kyle, you're such a good guy.