Vaush vs Cenk On The Populist Right

[@AWSVids]

Somewhere out there, there’s a guy named “Dickie McGeesaks” who is either very honoured to be mentioned by Kyle so often, or greatly offended at being considered synonymous with “nothing”.

[@Dennzer1]

😀

[@gurujackburton]

I don't think a one shot character from a South Park episode has any connection to reality

[@jm5390]

Lol Kyle’s most perfect description for stuff! 😂

[@canadagoose8543]

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[@jontraz5993]

@@gurujackburton nonono. That's Babyfart McGeesaks, Dickie's interplanetary brother.

[@cogito919]

I will say on Kyle’s response to populist right wingers voting for Trump: many of them voted for Trump TWICE. They will ultimately give up the economic goals if they feel their culture is threatened. I would be delighted and will hold my hand out for Trump voters who would vote for Bernie, but a lot of these people will reject candidates who are economically on their side but socially progressive (e.g. AOC, Ilhan Omar, Warren) bc these voters are not fully committed to the economic issues.

[@sensible1163]

Exactly. Their fear of social liberalism greatly outweighs their desire for economic populism.

[@Thunder103093]

i saw the opposite, they can ignore the social issues & vote for bernie, but up to a point & that is when its rubbed in their face which people like AOC do all the time

[@moejohnson2132]

@@sensible1163 correct, it's gonna stay that way. It's a good thing

[@sensible1163]

@@Thunder103093 This ain't really a good argument because Bernie was a candidate in 2016 & 2020 yet they still voted for Trump. So it kinda disproves it ya know.

[@sensible1163]

@@moejohnson2132 Why good thing?

[@N7_CommanderShepard]

Ah yes, the 2013 secular talk budget days.

[@TokenBlackman7]

Commander! Can we get your opinion on Kyle Kulinski's podcast!?

[@SIS3W3N]

How do you justify running away while millions of people on Earth died?

[@jaysus4316]

@@TokenBlackman7 only if he says if well bang ok?

[@N7_CommanderShepard]

@@SIS3W3N Had to unify the galaxy. I had no choice.

[@KorgmasterKlax]

I think they just green screened over the Breaking Points set since he's doing that show this week and isn't at home or wherever he usually does the show

[@TMMx]

One way you can get right wingers to advance left wing policies is with ballot initiatives and referenda. In 2020, South Dakotans voted for Trump and for legal weed on the same ballot. Floridians voted for both Trump and a $15 minimum wage on the same ballot.

[@pragmaticpolitics1413]

Yeah, I do think that’s the only way to work together when it’s voting on the issues. I am less hopeful than when we are talking about voting for politicians. I don’t think we will get conservatives to give up on the social issues.

[@zkapsh]

I found at least in Minnesota when i talk to more right wing everyday workers. When I talk to them about personal struggles for example workers rights and protections and ignore talking about left right and any heavy political talking points, i find that they will easily be swayed in to leftwing populist ideas.

[@sensible1163]

@@zkapsh Because they're stupid and easily manipulated. Lol.

[@aidantheroux9728]

That’s definitely a smart way of going about. Would be nice if there was a way to show them that those are left wing ideas and that these are the things progressive candidates support.

[@LG123ABC]

@@sensible1163 So is your mom.

[@derekneal541]

Saagar, who pushes himself as a pretty populist right winger, said Bernie was too "woke" for him.

[@ericthegreat7805]

Lol

[@derekneal541]

@Yo Momma It is a perfectly fine example. Trump is the epitome of the fake right wing populist. Bernie was populist and pushed for being not racist while trying to push class more than identity politics. Saager still said he was too woke for him. Saagar is just a fraud and is the perfect example of what Vaush is talking about.

[@ericthegreat7805]

@@derekneal541 i was a firm believer in reaching out to people across the aisle before covid and stop the steal. But now everything is too polarized and toxic. Most people who could have been moved on some economic issues and were largely reasonable have gone complete bonkers now. Saagar talking about Fauci is a perfect example. If you were a Trump supporter in 2016, I felt bad for you because the Democrats abandoned you. If you still support Trump in 2021, you're insane and dangerous.

[@ericthegreat7805]

That being said I agree the left does no favours and will keep losing in pushing away even politically normie people like Joe Rogan who aren't right wing reactionary ideologues.

[@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139]

That just shows the disingenuity of the "populist right". Bernie is by no means "woke" in the sense of using vacuous idpol to score political points, he simply acknowledges the humanity of everyone and thinks that treating people as inferior and depriving them of basic human rights bc of their identity is a no-go by default. Which, btw is the only civilised stance on social issues and is actually very closely linked with economic policy as well. Whether pineapple belongs on pizza is a matter of opinion, the fundamental rights of anyone are not. Right-wing populists are just bigots who don't want to be called that.

[@ec8107]

This looks like Kyle took over for Charlie Rose on PBS in 1991.

[@dericmederos1514]

Kyle is in his 30s yet his hair is greying rapidly

[@Josway37]

You're not wrong but the Charlie Rose set in 1991 looked exactly like it did in 2001 and 2011 and right up to the day it went off the air: black.

[@Formal_Andy]

Just needs that funky jazz intro.

[@timothyo718]

@@dericmederos1514 So? Some men go gray early. Kyle still looks young otherwise. Going gray is much more preferable to going bald early.

[@miguelzavaleta1911]

@@dericmederos1514 I'm turning 30 myself and my hair is greying out quickly too. Happened to both my parents pretty young too.

[@snuzzlebumble]

Always remember to agree on solutions, not problems. If a rightwinger says "yeah, I agree the corporations are corrupt!". Always ask "well, what should we do about it then?"

[@r96red23]

Their answer will always something like more jesus in schools, put trump back in twitter & ban abortion nationwide without exceptions etc.

[@DUSAbruddah]

Then you give your solutions and discuss the best option. The way the smear their responses is why there isn't any movement on any solutions. Act in good faith.

[@r96red23]

@@DUSAbruddah Any solutions that aren't religious fundamentalist extremism is mocked off as satanic baby eating agendas. The only sane right wingers atpb are libertarians who'll never move over to the left.

[@VMohdude-]

@@DUSAbruddah conservatives aren’t good faith

[@jirkazalabak1514]

@@DUSAbruddah Is it smearing though? He´s pretty much spot on. Ask conservatives how they would fix the world, and that´s the kind of response you will get. They often also want to cut taxes, while also complaining that the infrastructure is bad or whatever. Politically, they never got out of kindergarten.

[@lionheartedhaze]

As someone born in a small right-wing agricultural town, I think Kyle underestimates the amount of voters who indeed fall under the group Vaush mentions here.

[@angelantayhua3096]

Not just right wingers but also liberals in big cities. Left wing economic policy is not a priority for the majority of the working class. Culture and reform to some institutions are.

[@jasonftw333]

He does and its sad. I love kyle, because hes so objective MOST OF THE TIME. But he has been in his bubble and doesnt realize it. Hes beyond understanding how to pull people from the right. He is all in on fuck the right mentality. He doesnt understand or grasp the concept that culture issues hold weight for alot of people, and all he has to say on it is "Suck it up". Kyle has to do better

[@Spencerwalker21]

My brother works selling tools and toolboxes to small busineses. Kyle has no idea on what they think most of them are insanely conspiratorial Bernie could've literally fixed everything and they would say the Jew vaccines something something obummer. I'm exaggerating a little but only a little.

[@idabahillo2199]

In nw fl and it would take mountains to convince many ppl around here to get them to vote in their own economic interests over culture war bs

[@almosthelpless9374]

Yep. The biggest factors that determined whether you voted for Trump are race and income. White people with money overwhelmingly voted for Trump like they do for every other Republican. White cultural grievance + wealth = Trump vote. Never-Trump Republicans are just as uninfluential as "populist" Republicans are on the platform of the Republican Party.

[@jrad410]

Many conservatives value their culture over their personal economics. They’d rather fight CRT than get a 15 min wage or M4All. I’m with Vaush on this

[@TheBarca1889]

And why would right-populists ever vote for someone like aoc who only fights for cultural or optics issues but who always surrenders on economics? They still wouldn't get their economic policies while their social positions are represented even less.

[@AV-xm5ln]

tf is crt?

[@ChestnutTreeCafe]

Exactly right.

[@ChestnutTreeCafe]

@@AV-xm5ln critical race theory

[@MrJoester19]

@@sonofposeidon9450 I see what you are saying some what, I think progressives do like econ but there are some who prefer culture and I cant blame them, I only meet cultural conservatives they only talk culture so some progressives do to in response. I think you are talking about wokescolds.

[@benz0317]

For those wondering about the studio and noise, Kyle is filling in for Saager this week (Saager is on vacay) and he is using Breaking Points studio to do his own solo vids

[@aksghazi868]

Holy shit did the Breaking Points audience hated him or what. I didn't expected a result like that.

[@Rob_Cary]

Yea. They went nuclear on him for making a segment on right wing cancel culture...question is..were they saying the same thing when Saagar made a segment a couple weeks ago blaming cancel culture on "white liberals"? And Saagar ain't dumb like these other ring wing pundits...he knows he was lying the entire segment.

[@gmailazerty]

Kyle will eventually replace Saager and have a family with Krystal, we can all see that coming

[@theebs1]

@@aksghazi868 Breaking Point's audience is cancer. A lot of the people there don't even care about economic populism/leftism... Like when Breaking Points has a segment that is anti-Trump their whole comment section freaks OUT. Even when it's fair criticism of Trump's economic policy they accuse to show of being "MSM", "liberal" and threaten to stop supporting the show. I almost never venture into their comment section for a reason it's so full of toxicity

[@bullmoosemedia]

@@gmailazerty Only in Kyle's dreams...

[@VincentBarbosa1986]

I work with two people, who identify as republican, and are pragmatic about how effective MF4 would be. Some conservatives would've voted for Bernie if given the option. Personal experience.

[@mookiestewart3776]

I personally convinced several Republican friends to back Bernie , at least from an anecdotal standpoint these people are pretty malleable if you hit the talking points correctly

[@MK-oz2lf]

Funny how people are getting this now when this was Tulsi Gabbard's main goal on domestic unity but people kicked her to the curb from the arrogance that they thought Bernie had this last election in the bag.

[@splorch]

@@MK-oz2lf You can make all the assumptions you want, but TG was kicked to the curb for a variety of reasons.

[@MK-oz2lf]

@@splorch and you can’t even elaborate on any of these so call reasons? That’s not an explanation. Seems like it is you that doesn’t know what you’re talking about. Easy to claim anything you want by avoiding explaining, right?….

[@boeing757pilot]

Agree! I fly with pilots from all over the USA, from every part of the political spectrum. The Dem vs. Rep framing is simply divisional and tribalistic. Organize along worker and class lines to get progressive wins.

[@LinkRocks]

While I don't buy there's such a thing as "populist right", Bernie has been working with Rs for years on bills he believes in. As long as you do it on our terms I'm all for working with the right on the policies we want passed.

[@BelowMeGoggle]

But of course there is. Populist right was adamantly opposed to bank bailouts and telecom immunity, but their party’s leaders DGAF just as Biden DGAF about M4A when 90% of his base wants it.

[@ItsPocketSand]

There is no such thing as 'THE populist right', no such thing as 'populist right' voters in the US, or no such thing as 'populist right' voters at all?

[@zvendiearschficker493]

The difference between populist Right and Left is the social issues. In this regard, Right Wing populism is just fascism.

[@theamaeve8175]

@@zvendiearschficker493 no. The "populist right" hates the left's economic platform. They are vehemently anti-socialist. While they may want unions, they also think right to work states are populism because the gov isn't forcing unions.

[@jacoblevenson7934]

My mom is a right-wing populist, she would have voted for Bernie over trump had he been the nominee.

[@R_00N]

So she's conservative on social issues but economic leftwing? What is she conservative about?

[@Ellimist000]

@@R_00N probably. And as Kyle said even some of the cultural right wing, economically left types are aren't crazy, often just cynical about politics and lied to, and maybe just need some leftists who are honest and a little more gentle with the thought policing that rich libs sometimes do

[@TheSpokenWizard]

She's not a right-wing populist if she would have voted Bernie over Trump. America first is right wing populism. Right wing populist believe our trade and immigration laws should favor our citizens over other countries' interests. For example-- we shouldn't be outsourcing companies to develop other nations while our infrastructure deteriorates. Our interests shouldn't be making China a superpower.

[@markpostgate2551]

This is the obvious, blindingly obvious, flaw in Vaush's argument: supporting Bernie was not an option if Bernie was not running, and the DNC fought to ensure he wasn't running, so indirectly they were the ones that elevated Trump.

[@R_00N]

@@Ellimist000 I agree, sometimes the left takes too far. There are legit concerns about immigration and trans people in sports but we have to have those discussions without being called racist or transphobic. Of course black lives matter but I can at the same time see why some rural poor whites feel left out of the conversation.

[@mindoveraaron]

This is why I love these independent online commentators. There's so much nuance you wouldn't get in the mainstream.

[@genreartwithjb5095]

A lot of Trump voters care about economic issues but not at the expense of culture war wedge issues. There are exceptions and I know a few of these individuals but by and large many Trumpers are too far gone

[@MK-oz2lf]

Funny how people are getting this now when this was Tulsi Gabbard's main goal on domestic unity but people kicked her to the curb from the arrogance that they thought Bernie had this last election in the bag... oh well

[@moonie9000]

This is true, but also true about neolibs. THIS is why we need to bring our focus away from identity politics.

[@Alexander_Grant]

@DiglettUser Tulsi Gabbard was a warhark? Are you just making stuff up? She was the most anti-war candidate in the primary.

[@reversalmushroom]

How is it too far gone to simply want the culture to stay how it is and not go further left and be taken over by political correctness? The 90s were not backwards, extreme times and are considered modern times and not some ancient, repressive time like the 50s. Things like slavery and Jim Crow and Nazism were abhorred, and everyone thought women should be treated equally, and most people would be against abusing LGBT people, so we were fine.

[@Shtoops]

@@Alexander_Grant Tulsi "I love drone strikes on the middle east" Gabbard

[@Adeus1]

As a union member, "right to work" really means "right to work... the worker."

[@lakersfansince1991]

No. Right to work made it possible for gig workers to make their own hours. Stop lying.

[@Adeus1]

@@lakersfansince1991 it's Orwellian like all bad policy. RTW laws have only shown to empower employers thus the undermining of workers' right to organize, rolling back the gains-better wages, working conditions and hrs- rights that unions fought hard to secure! You're full of shit! What happened to the Wagner Act of 1935? "Labor Peace" and "Employment Peace" ? Look at the trajectory of these sort of policies and ask yourself why is it that the bosses always coalesce? Follow the $$$. Unless you own a business and are actively trying to work your workers, I can't see why you would be in favor of RTW laws?!

[@darrenfleming7901]

@@Adeus1 my guess would be lots of propaganda

[@Adeus1]

@@darrenfleming7901 precisely!

[@ojnib]

It’s an anecdote but I did campaign work during the general in 2016 and the most common answer I got from people who identified as republicans was: “if it was Bernie..I might disagree with him but I know he honest and he’s open about his positions. It’d be a lot harder if yall(Democrats) nominated him. But Hillary? I can’t bring myself to vote for someone like that. Those people could have been gettable. Unfortunately, I don’t believe that crowd is as large anymore since trump delivers SO MUCH for them on culture war issues.

[@mausklick1635]

Yeah, I agree. There are Republican voters who are conscious about their class interest, even if they're pretty reactionary elsewise. On the other hand, politicians and intellectuals on the "populist right" are pretty much all fascists who don't mean anything they say about helping the working class.

[@joshuaortiz2031]

yeah the corporate democrats really screwed the country over in 2016. I used to volunteer for the 2016 Bernie campaign it was such a disappointment when Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie. The democratic party is going to pay for ruining our futures.

[@Darthlauralou]

That was my experience as well during 2016- my maga dad respected bernie much more than my democratic mom :-(

[@PepeMetallero]

one thing is clear, we can tell who is the new "Big Seltzer" owner: Vaush

[@Mydogslove2laugh]

Exactly

[@Odinsday]

Big Seltzer was bought during the Alden merger last week

[@josiplilic3384]

I'm sick to my stomach "Both,Cenk & Vaush are right",says Kyle!?Nice😳

[@animeentranced1130]

@@josiplilic3384 I thought they were left 🤔🤣

[@thomas2082]

Grow up

[@DavidHoberg]

That may be all well and good. But the reason Bernie isn‘t President right now had less to do with right-wingers and everything to do with left-wingers voting Clinton and Biden. If you can‘t even get democrats to vote progressive, what makes you think you going to get conservatives.

[@edwinsoto6932]

"Left-wingers"?

[@flatfacedcat]

I think the problem, Kyle, is that you overestimate people who would engage in good faith with you about politics. Most people are set in their tribes and don’t want to turn on their brains.

[@juanjones6463]

Facts

[@cezarcatalin1406]

Vaush (for example) is in the Democratic tribe.

[@flatfacedcat]

@@cezarcatalin1406 To be completely honest, I don't know anything about Vaush except that everyone talks about him. I don't care to find out about him either.

[@majorlazor5058]

@@cezarcatalin1406 Vaush would leave the DEMs in a hot second if a viable progressive option was available.

[@jeffreyherrera5069]

@@flatfacedcat He's very similar to Destiny in that he's good at exposing far right figures, but anyone to the left of him is, more often than not, a tankie. He also gets hyper defensive if you call him out on things he's wrong about, such as when he shittalked a guy named Hakim. All in all, he's a mixed bag at best.

[@mostradamus108]

Kyle has never been to Orange County or Kern County in California because plenty of conservatives would need planets worth of convincing to go even slightly left of Joe Biden on nearly any issue. Sometimes their beliefs are more important than their economic priorities.

[@sergiogarcia5593]

Kern Country is such a good example of this!

[@kellenpoyser8191]

We need more on this topic Kyle. How to convince people is the single most important thing all of us should be focusing on in these years to come

[@majorlazor5058]

It’s pointless. Right wing populists ultimately will vote for rightwing authoritarians who keep lying to them. Cultural issues are king for them. These former Obama voters are far and few between. Kyle’s “many people” are a fraction of the voter base.

[@majorlazor5058]

@amery smith If you look at certain demographics *cough* white America *cough* they still mostly vote for the most conservative options. The reason the collective US is moving to the left is because the country is becoming browner. Yes, collectively the nation has moved left on gay issues, including most conservatives, but rightwingers are still vastly backward when it comes to immigration, trans issues, and criminal justice, and topics involving racial equality. It fact in many parts of the US white conservatives are moving backward on race and trying to erase lessons involving slavery or Native American genocide.

[@bhargavpatel2995]

Saagar is literally the person Vaush talks about. He will ALWAYS put economic issues behind culture war nonsense and would’ve probably supported Trump over Bernie. This is why as Vaush said it’s so important to agree on solutions then labels, would someone like Saagar support m4a or $15 min wage???

[@kennethnorth7018]

I mean plenty of Bernie voters would do the same if choosing between social issues and economics

[@TheFlyingFox14]

Saagar has supported $15/hr numerous times on Rising & BP.

[@MattInTaiwan]

There’s a pretty heavy irony in Kyle doing this segment from saagar’s studio

[@evelynneustadt2268]

And doing a segment agreeing with Vaush and Cenk because they said basic reasonable stuff.

[@dianacasey6002]

@@evelynneustadt2268 works for me

[@delos2279]

No it would be irony if someone from the right was making your comment. For Kyle's it's proving his point.

[@majorlazor5058]

Kyle would suckle Tucker Carlson as much as Saagar if it meant more subs for Secular Talk. It’s hard to tell what Kyle even believes in anymore. He keeps letting guys like Saagar trick him into moving to the right. He hasn’t done it as of late, but Kyle was on a spree of progressive bashing earlier this year and late last year and then barely a mention of Trump… Kyle even downplayed Jan 6th like Saagar!!

[@theredestbull]

ah 360p... good times

[@cyber_pirate]

Damn I almost thought I was in 2010 again!

[@chrisdobson4597]

Lol

[@NOMAD-qp3dd]

And here i was rebooting my phone wondering what was up 😅

[@alevtina7564]

That was always Cenk‘s position. That’s the whole point of Wolf-PAC.

[@MrKirbbdogg]

That’s before Cenk sold out

[@trickstergod9179]

@@MrKirbbdogg What evidence do you have that he sold out?

[@satie321]

I think Vaush's take was right on point! Accurately stated.

[@forgottenlurker2428]

@fa q Why do people like you always say his full name like it's some sort of power move? It's really weird.

[@geedee1264]

The problem is that the fundamental beliefs are different, which is what makes someone right wing and left wing in the first place. We can agree about the corrupt establishment but a 'right winger' by definition does not agree with socialised medicine and higher wages. Right wingers believe 'might makes right'. This doesn't mean there aren't people who identify as right because they associate left wing as some kind of communist 'globalist' enemy thanks to years of propaganda while actually holding left wing beliefs who need to be engaged in dialogue, but most 'right wingers' just do not want the same things as us, which is the fundamental problem. Right wingers by definition are not egalitarians

[@geedee1264]

@Astrotrain52 neoliberals are centrist and what Tony Blair referred to as 'third way', spearheaded by Clinton and Blair, they are also definately not socialist or even left wing, they are just centrist liberals. Why do you think Blair renamed the party 'New Labour' and expelled the socialists from the party? You are doing exactly as I described, claiming neo-liberals are left wing. How can we talk about left and right alliance when nobody seems to know the definitions of the terms?

[@trickstergod9179]

@Astrotrain52 Like the average VDS sufferer, you've never actually listened to him and you don't know what you're talking about.

[@trickstergod9179]

@Astrotrain52 Nah, it's pathetic, really. Can't actually come up with an actual argument against any of his points, so you just throw a bunch of negative buzzword at him and hope they'll stick. Grow up, kid.

[@namangoy]

Yall can work on bringing them in and making them better people, but I cannot work with people who'd love to see me dead just for the color of my skin or my gender / sexuality.

[@dansheffield4021]

Hopefully one follows the other. Then again I'm an optimist...

[@blairhaffly1777]

Yes, bring them in. Right wing populism is fasism, can't work with that.

[@John-mu2js]

@@dansheffield4021 If you think you can work successfully with fascists then you are fascist too.

[@dansheffield4021]

@@John-mu2js Says the Christian..

[@HiThere-yr9eg]

This is my offering of engagement to the algorithm.

[@Mydogslove2laugh]

I'm engaging happily with you ❤

[@marygrace7016]

I think Cenk was talking about voters on the right not elected officials on the right. Vaush is correct when he says you can have GOP voters that can agree on economic issues but then if you had a scenario of Bernie vs Trump and they will always vote Trump over things like trans people and bathrooms.

[@Thunder103093]

i've seen the opposite & talked to many trumpsters & they said they would vote for Bernie over Trump after his fuck ups

[@kennethnorth7018]

You also have folks who'd vote Biden over someone with socially conservative views that agreed with Bernie's economics. So, what's the point

[@darrenfleming7901]

@@kennethnorth7018 can you name any politician who is like that? or is this some made up fantasy of a right populist hero?

[@kennethnorth7018]

@@darrenfleming7901 Huey Long for example. And by modern standards, most Socialist Party of America founders and most Populist Party members would count as extremely right wing socially

[@cosmic_jon]

As I've said before, having only 2 parties really warps our perception of the political spectrum.

[@RedsKinDK23]

“If you can’t hold together the left coalition, much less expand it, you’re not winning dicky mcgeeszaks”. Best take of the whole video. The infighting is killing me.

[@TrumpForPrison2023]

Jimmy Dore's entire youtube feed is attacking progressive youtubers and politicians. Left infighting at its best.

[@dickiemcgeezacks9458]

I agree. Hold the line or you don't get me.

[@dansheffield4021]

@@TrumpForPrison2023 How does anyone even call Dore a leftist at this point? He's a con

[@ryanhopper2854]

@@TrumpForPrison2023 that's not really true but your right in that Jimmy needs to be more charitable in how he views people like the squad. I get they need to fight more but sometimes he's talking like they are equivalent to normal dems and they just aren't

[@boggisthecat]

@Don Every video on CRT that doesn’t attack it gets right-wing trolls.

[@VulcanData84]

I like the symmetry Bernie has 40+ years of proving his Progressive position and Trump has 4 years of proving his.

[@Ellimist000]

You mean not proving it right? ;) Also, people ought to have known what Trump was like, he's been in the public eye looking before Bernie

[@fjbz3737]

This is straight out of the 90s

[@prorod322]

What a breath of fresh air to see Kyle, Vaush, and Cenk totally be on the same page even though Vaush took Cenk’s argument to a whole new level. #unitetheleft

[@ericl2495]

Get real. Cenk has been smearing Jimmy Dore for this for a while now, and now makes an abrupt turn. He's a phoney, watch for him.

[@Aboertmann]

@@zachmontgomery5188 I feel proper context is necessary. Vaush was stating a point and he said it terribly. He has even said this and the point he was trying to make is this: Why are sweat shops legal but cp illegal? He was saying a lot of capitalism is about exploitation and both these things should be illegal. Again, when he first said it it came across terribly but he's clarified his stance numerous times.

[@AT-AT26]

@Zach Montgomery whenever I see the Vaush CP thing from someone I automatically assume they are pro-child slavery as that was literally the context. If you support child slavery then you aren’t left wing at all.

[@AT-AT26]

@Zach Montgomery why do people who hate Vaush love child slavery so much? Like I get it. You hate Vaush, nice. You don’t have to support Child slavery to “own the Vaushites”

[@dansheffield4021]

@@ericl2495 Fuq Jimmy Dore

[@benvergus1573]

Little sceptical of Cenk holding this position now, since he accuses Jimmy Dore of having a ‘right wing audience’. So trying to reach right wingers with populism isn’t so bad after all? Feel like he argues in favor of working with right wingers now to try to be more like Breaking Points. But I agree with Kyle we shouldn’t assume bad or wrong intent, so at least well done to Cenk for having a cooperative position instead of a cynical one.

[@kennethnorth7018]

Oh definitely. It's absolutely him acting in bad faith

[@benvergus1573]

@@kennethnorth7018 Seems to me he sort of is doubting if he just wants to shit on right wingers or try to build bridges with them (like Joe Rogan or Breaking Points do). He knows the latter is more popular right now, but he is still is surrounded by people who rather be shitting on 'the other side' all day.

[@OhioMan1854]

3:50 The thing is, Kyle, they aren't saying that. They aren't attacking the right, they just continue to attack the left FROM the right on social issues, that's where Vaush's criticism comes in. All I see on breaking points is left wingers sounding more and more like right wing populists, but no right wingers sounding more like leftists. I wonder why that is? That's not a rhetorical question, I genuinely wonder. I want unity, but not at the cost of us becoming anti-intellectual, which is what I'm seeing more and more of when this covid and Fauci shit comes up in my feed.

[@OhioMan1854]

People seem ready to double down on trumpism, not ready to abandon it.

[@OhioMan1854]

And another thing, 6:50 I live in the same areas Krystal describes, and I do not see these people. The 2016 election changed things, its not the same.area. Everything has been turned into a wedge issue and the minute you speak a "democract" talking point, it doesn't matter how helpful it is, it gets shut down.

[@OhioMan1854]

Exactly, I know its propaganda. How do we combat it though?

[@douggoldwater1734]

"oh no not my precious intellectualism." not merely wanting to be told what to do by some "expert" is a pretty American trait, and its perfectly OK to be questioning some of the most powerful people in government, especially when they themselves frequently lie and contradict their own messaging. Take your intellectual bullshit and shove it

[@OhioMan1854]

@@douggoldwater1734 questioning the government is ok, perpetuating harmful disinformation about covid vaccines isnt

[@TheOldSchoolGamer93]

Vaush always talks about optics and political strategy but doesn't understand that telling a large populace in a democracy to "suck it up" won't help you win.

[@raghuvenkatesan6792]

Exactly

[@davidgomez-wt7pn]

I wish Cenk could see that HE has a lot more in common with Kyle than not, so that we can all push for progressive policies together. I was disappointed when Cenk pulled Kyle from the TYT network. Kyle even stood with him when Justice Democrats dropped Cenk.

[@IshtarNike]

Yeah that kind of surprised me. They had over 10 years together no? Then dropped him over some petty shit.

[@raylax7056]

@@IshtarNike ummm reality is Kyle dropped TYT as a business partner though they still get along probably due to that Jimmy Nuts Dore feud

[@zeeone4492]

Cenk is a corporate grifter

[@drwzer]

@@zeeone4492 so how does this grift work…he advocates for progressive policies but he’s really a conservative?? lol 😂😂😂

[@beautysecretsbykyle2115]

Agreed. Except, I think Cenk said it was Kyle’s decision to leave TYT Network. It annoyed me when Cenk made a couple of snide remarks recently. Something like “It’s good to see someone named Kyle being strong, not apologizing for silly stuff.” I was like, “Cenk, stop it! Kyle has been trying really hard to weigh in as little as possible, an he’s been overall so loyal to you. Don’t take potshots!” I hope they can get past this, because I honestly think both of them have contributed a lot to progressive actions.

[@glumdrop4672]

I don't think most right wing voters think their politicians are actually populist, they aren't being "tricked", they literally think culture war issues are more important. I agree you should chip away where you can but think the core of the party *are* the tfg ones now.

[@paulsmith7579]

Most Democrats do too. Nobody gives a rats about anything else. Its depressing.

[@kennethnorth7018]

As a right populist, you're correct. Many right populists just care about culture enough to do a "lesser evilism" vote. It's the same reason Bernie supporters voted for Biden.

[@papaofthejohns5882]

When they can be so tricked that they vote for Trump twice, refuse to believe in medical science, and doubt the authenticity of an election... there is really no getting through to them. You'd have to spend years with each individual person, slowly but sure deprogramming them. For those that don't fall under that umbrella, have at them! Let's not pretend that those very same people aren't the majority of the populist right.

[@glumdrop4672]

@@paulsmith7579 Yes but some of the things they care about actually produce good consequences, conservatives are socially regressive on top of everything else

[@paulsmith7579]

@@glumdrop4672 no they produce slightly less worse consequences. That's why you don't get free healthcare.

[@StaticCollapse]

I was duped by Trump in 2016. Turned left in 2017 since I was introduced to channels like The Humanist Report, Secular Talk, and The Rational National. You 3 are favorites. Very little drama from you guys and you focus on the issues. Thank you for converting me for the better

[@oddjam]

Great tweet by Vaush. I've been saying this for years. Agree on solutions not problems.

[@dugdowndeepdog]

You're a voice of reason, Kyle.

[@biguy617]

Who is talking about a fraud like Cenk Uyger

[@lilmoe4364]

He is a voice of reason, unlike this guy ^^^ who just wants to slam people rather than acknowledge when they are right about anything. Typical reactionary.

[@AV-xm5ln]

Conservatives care more about social issues over economic issues. Stop being so naïve.

[@dukethighwalker6839]

Everyone is gonna care at $6/gal gas Edit: Great job, Joe. Truly the man is a uniter.

[@justinmccarthy2635]

GTFOH Cenk. When Jimmy, Glenn and others advocated for the same thing, you called them every name but their own.

[@redacted_vombat5742]

From the perspective of myself and many other who are level headed who doesn't rely on theatrics outrage and petty drama, Jimmy the man for the lowest common denominator

[@jaa89623]

Sorry, I just don't get the point of this argument. The crux of it is, how do you message differently to pull in people on the right? The answer: pretend like economic issues aren't intrinsically linked to racial ones. I'm all for building an economic coalition of different identity groups, but we're talking about people who voted for Trump TWICE....they're not overlooking the racism, they're fully supportive of it. Trying to decouple any talk of race from economic populism is not just lying, it's a losing message, no matter how much Kyle wants to argue it isn't. You can't just parse out economic things and act like the social wedges are trivial, or you've lost the whole plot. That said, if conservatives want to get on board with a basic recognition of historical fact and work with us to raise all boats...great, welcome aboard, but not at the expense of truth and social justice.

[@Zeusselll]

"Rightwing populism" is an oxymoron. Populism means helping the common man. Being rightwing means supporting hierarchies. You can't support the common man if you don't do anything about those hierarchies.

[@dmike3507]

Yeah but people who identify as right-wing are using a different definition. I have no clue what they think "left wing" means but it's obviously not the same thing.

[@jarodkral8085]

Vaush’s main point there is that you have to agree on solutions not just problems. If the problem is degradation of the middle class a right winger’s solution is probably something about barring immigration while a left winger will probably be about expanding unions. The problem is the same, the solutions are vastly different. YOU HAVE TO AGREE ON SOLUTIONS!

[@vulcanh254]

I don't like Kyle appropriating any issue as left-wing, I think it's incredibly dumb. No, if a majority of americans are pro or against something it just is popular or unpopular. I hate this idea that being against war, against police brutality, against mega corporations or against corruption is leftwing. It's such a trashy and immature way of looking at things. And by doing this you contribute to divide people even more because then rightwingers will be like "ok I guess I'm not with you then even though I technically agree".

[@in_ur_moms_house]

I get what you're saying, but its not like Kyle is the one who originally frames those things as left or right issues. He, and others like him, only respond to what politicians are talking about and those talking points typically come from privately funded think tanks (right and left) whose sole "job" is to politicize and weaponize the issues of the day in order to drive whatever policy they're paid to push.

[@ThatOMGguy]

For those who disagree "that right wing populism is just fascism", do you consider the Nazis to be right wing populists? They advertised themselves with populist values, had camps where they held minorities, loved privatization, and were deeply nationalistic.

[@longturtle9082]

Fascism is just anti-marx socialism

[@jirkazalabak1514]

@@longturtle9082 Not really. The Nazis privatized a record amount of state property. The whole Nazi war economy was basically a racket for private businessmen, who were allowed to use slave labor at a minimal cost.

[@jirkazalabak1514]

@Yo Momma It´s not really about the end result, but about the rhetoric they employed. And on that front, they were most definitely populist. The corrupt business deals with the big companies were made largely behind the scenes, and no one except the party leadership really knew about them. Also, when you look at their support before and during the war, their working class support was always the strongest, so I would say they succeeded in at least appearing populist, if nothing else.

[@jirkazalabak1514]

@Yo Momma No, but fascist regimes are the only historical examples of right-wing mass movements we can point to. Other right-wing regimes, like oligarchies or plutocracies, usually rely on a small number of elites, rather than popular support. Fascist movements, including the Nazis, often started out as workers movements, and had quite a lot of support from the common people.

[@longturtle9082]

@@jirkazalabak1514 Private enterprise was only allowed to exist if they aligned with the interests of the state. Fascism evolved from socialism, Hitler and Mussolini where both socialists.

[@danki2000daniel]

Cenk, vaush, and Kyle are all spot on .

[@hughchefner]

No they're not

[@jefferynelson]

Put the Scotch on the table Kyle. We all know you're drinking.

[@dukethighwalker6839]

Kek

[@julianbluefeather8491]

I love Kyle he's a Polish/Italian angel

[@jerff5411]

He's a legless freak

[@publiopaolacci495]

@Valentino Fiorentini because Americans don’t have a strong national identity and because of that they like to highlight their foreign origin

[@koukkoufos2000]

@Valentino Fiorentini Because we Americans have immigrant ancestors and I say that because my papers are both immigrants I was just born in New York 😂 Also because Kyle has Italian ancestors on his mother’s side and polish ones on his dad’s

[@Social_Pugatory]

Because just being “white” is reductive and boring and very counterproductive since race is a social construct. Identifying as “white” American evokes thoughts and feelings of the historical atrocities committed in the name of whiteness in this country. Identifying with your families nation of origin is much more useful and accurate and refers to the culture of that place and not the skin color of the people there.

[@koukkoufos2000]

@Derek Hitt Really? I don’t believe you lmao why would he lie about his dad. Kulinski sounds like a very Polish last name to me lol

[@leahvogel5527]

I've lived on each coast for a decade & grew up in the Midwest. People are people no matter where u live, but no matter what you say.. the religious(anti-abortion) part of the right & the gun owners will never change their votes. I've heard those 2 issues listed as the reason they'll never vote Dem everywhere I've lived

[@agentchicken3577]

and if a dem was pro-life and pro-gun they'd find another reason

[@darkdaxterversionz]

It really just comes down to how you see the world, how you see the opposition, and what you think of human nature. Elitists will say they are fools. Cynics will say they are liars. Optimists will say they're ignorant. I think it's vitally important to not get lost in one of these categories when talking about such huge groups of people because all 3 scenarios exist in abundance. If we're all being perfectly honest, most people have firsthand experience with people who would fit into all 3 groups, but readily dismiss 2 of them due to their own bias.

[@mandolindleyroadshow706]

I am a progressive who has had this conversation with Social Security collecting Trump supporters. They do not hear the argument I've told them on multiple occasions (or more likely, tune it out), Trump's plan was to cut Social Security and Medicare. This argument did not sway them one bit. They were attracted to his authoritarianism and saw him as the patriarchal leader this country desperately needed. I almost think that if their benefits actually were cut, they would find a way to place blame elsewhere.

[@aheroictaxidriver3180]

Exactly. People who have been overlooked their entire life and are willing to do anything if you promise them that will stop. They are EXTERNALIZING their conditions. Trump etc. get elected merely by blaming the same people they blame.

[@jirkazalabak1514]

I usually like Kyle, but Vaush is right on this one. As long as the Left remains socially progressive, the right-wingers will never vote for them. You could offer them heaven on Earth, but if that heaven had gays and trans people in it, they wouldn´t vote for it. It works the other way, too. Most leftists wouldn´t vote for someone who is pro-union, but also pro-segregation. The reason the cultural issues are ultimately more important for people is because they represent the vision of the future. One side envisions a multi-cultural and multi-racial country, while the other wants a white Christian majority country. These two visions cannot be reconciled, no matter how hard you try.

[@christineherrmann205]

Sometimes I worry this is actually right, and sometimes I truly believe that people will grudgingly let people look how they want to look and love who they want to love in exchange for a living wage and health care.

[@jirkazalabak1514]

@@christineherrmann205 If it wasn´t true, then the Southern Strategy employed by the Republicans since FDR would have failed long ago. But after more than 60 years, that strategy is still going strong to this day. When one issue stops working, like racial segregation, they find a new one, or make it up entirely, like War on Christmas or reverse racism. And it´s not like the Democrats are any better, at least for the most part. Hillary´s campaign was basically all about the culture war, with no real message on economics. Both parties are interested, first and foremost, in serving their donors, the corporate America.

[@majorlazor5058]

Kyle has always been wrong on this issue. But Secular Talks bread and butter is progressive economic issues with a coat of paint appealing to the right. There is a reason Kyle will rarely criticize the right without trying to find a equivalent wrong on the left. Kyle believes in the populist right. He believed in ignoring the backward beliefs about Muslims, blacks, latino immigrants, homosexuals, and Jews if it means getting their vote. Myself, as a person of color, find this idea horrific and I’m more in the Vaush camp. If they can’t tolerate progressive social issues then they don’t really care all that much about the economics. Think about it.. what true populist would have picked Trump over Bernie??

[@jirkazalabak1514]

@@majorlazor5058 Kyle is not wrong about what he´s trying to do. If someone is personally a racist, but votes for Bernie (without Bernie having to compromise on any of his beliefs) because of his economic policies, that´s perfectly fine with me. What Kyle is wrong about is that he thinks the majority of right-wingers think this way. He severely underestimates the importance of cultural issues to people on both sides, but to right-wingers specifically. We saw during Covid that right-wingers refused to stop attending church, or even wear masks inside the church, even as their loved ones were dying from the disease. They value a way of life over life itself. That kind of commitment is difficult to break with logical arguments.

[@Y0utubeIsFuckingHomo]

I'd say your numbers are off if you believe "half the country" wants a "multi-culti and mufti-racial country. People need to stop outright, or tacitly peddling the ludicrous idea of only conservatives being racist.

[@trah666]

I agree with you points... i am a trade union member. A lot of my union brothers who voted for trump because of his populist rhetoric. Thier view of Biden is extremely negative. I have been able to reach these guys threw chipping away at thier perception of trumps "populism ", and talking about policies, that adress those concerns... i dont think every trump Republican is unreachable, fox news and the right wing media ecosystem has warped at lot of people's perceptions, but thier core principles are largely intacted

[@kennethnorth7018]

The right needs a Huey Long type. Socially conservative, social democratic, anti gay, anti abortion, pro religion, and culturally nationalistic, but willing to work with the left to push for financial progress

[@3star2nr]

OG secular talk viewers remember this back drop

[@SteveLionProducer]

I vote on what's proven to work not on what is popular for the sake of being a populist

[@DrkStr17]

Kyle, you're missing Vaush's point. Maybe intentionally as to make your strawman. Vaush's point is that they NEVER cared about economic populism in the first place, therefore, they couldn't have been duped.

[@mrlarvux]

I don’t fully get Vaush’s point. Trump never ran against Bernie and there was simply never any opportunity for right-populists to choose between them

[@BasedWop]

Can you really in good faith say they would have if given that chance? No fucking way.

[@grantmiller7257]

@@BasedWop Yeah, probably. Obama won those states by pretending to be a socialist. Hell, he turned Indiana blue.

[@mrlarvux]

@@BasedWop Who’s they?

[@taikamiya8214]

That's why he said "people like Trump", he's not talking about Bernie and Trump specifically. He's talking about real populists in general vs fake populists in general.

[@grantmiller7257]

@@taikamiya8214 Not many real populists run. Or make it to the GE.

[@cartoonsandcereal3413]

12% of Bernie Sanders supporters ended up voting for Trump. Not all Trump supporters are monsters.

[@papaofthejohns5882]

If those 12% voted for Trump, then they are either vindictive and spiteful that their candidate lost or was too stupid to understand why they supported Sanders in the first place. Neither of those is a good thing, the former is especially telling of how childish they are. The latter is a truly depressing sign of not only the American education system but also Bernie's inability to actually teach them how to critically think and politically awaken them.

[@martinsriber7760]

Alternatively not all Sanders supporters are good people.

[@Jojo.R.Chipelago]

The majority right wing voters do want better working conditions Vaush said one key thing: we have to agree on solutions. If right wing workers just want republican politicians, we're not negotiating.

[@elnegrobembon]

Huh. So then why exactly does Cenk and TYT criticize Jimmy Dore when he talks to Boogaloo boys and Tucker Carlson?? Isn't Cenk talking about the same exact thing Jimmy does when he dialogues with popular right-wingers?

[@umbraemilitos]

Perhaps because Cenk didn't think of it first.

[@Rob_Cary]

CIA Cenk is an Asian Assange basher. Kyle should stop even paying lip service to TYT. He left the network for a reason. TYT are no longer ideological allies and they haven't been for a long ass time.

[@DousedInPiss]

This is standard Cenk, even if he fully supports and idea he will oppose it with every fibre of his being if someone he doesn't like also supports it.

[@Rob_Cary]

I have no idea why my comment says "asian". I wrote assange basher.

[@papaofthejohns5882]

It's not simply about talking to them. It's about what Dimmy Jore does when talking to them. Asskissing a white nationalist live on television while constantly bashing the Democrats, without any substantive criticism for the Republicans is not good for bringing over said white nationalists' audience. Similarly, he also irresponsibly platformed the Boogaloo Boys and didn't adequately push back against their heinous ideas. Never mind the god awfulness that is the Boogaloo Boys, as a group, it is both nearly impossible and undesirable to have them on our side. Stop being a dumbfuck and try to use that thing between your ears when trying to make comparisons to justify criticism of a person and their ideas.

[@KattKatt1]

As a conservative I didn't know much about Bernie till Joe Rogan

[@treyking5248]

Bernie cucked out twice, the dude has no spine 😆

[@TrumpForPrison2023]

Yeah not knowing Bernie before Rogan is a common theme with conservatives. Truly have they never googled their opposition for research purposes.

[@amirrassi4971]

@@TrumpForPrison2023 joe rogan listeners are just a bunch of low iq mma nerd nascar fanatics whacking off to their moms youth picture

[@tallking7777]

@@treyking5248 you can say that about any politician nowadays that's not unique to Bernie who at least is not corrupt like the rest of them.

[@theflaggeddragon9472]

Maybe do some research about real leftists and left populists. The main policies they support are medicare for all, green new deal, paid family, sick, and vacation, UBI, ending the wars and imperialism, tuition free college, universal childcare, etc. These are really basic and the fact that it's only "radical leftists" proposing these things is a severe indictment of late stage capitalism.

[@joshuacollins9346]

Not only did pretty much everyone who voted Trump in 2016 vote for him in 2020, EVEN MORE people came out to vote for him. It is absolutely delusional to think that a bunch of single issue voters whose primary focus is abortion, gay marriage, and immigration are going to vote for someone like Bernie just because you can get them to agree with left economic positions in a poll.

[@misael008]

Kyle looked like Bernie with those hand gestures 😂 6:59

[@NirvanaFan5000]

while i'm skeptical about how economically popular the right really is, I think those that do may lean in that direction are still heavily influenced by the culture war stuff, so they'll vote for trump for his cultural outlooks, even if they don't like specific stances of his. the problem is that politicians on the both the left and right love to culture wars over actual substance - and many voters consider it the height of political action. smh.

[@angelantayhua3096]

Unfortunately most of the left doesn’t want to recognize it. Also why does the left keep forgetting that liberals won’t back them? Liberals do not agree with the left and would rather make the Democrat party more moderate compared to the Republicans.

[@kennethnorth7018]

This

[@NotAPacifist825]

i've come to think of right wing populists as people that want economic reforms. but not if it benefits brown or lgbtq people. in other words, i'd prefer they not vote at all.

[@theax40]

Why would people who are generally not in favor of welfare programs want to increase the numbers of people on welfare? Do you honestly think that white people just hate black people so much that they're cool with them not being able to support themselves and thus increasing the burden on the system? Do you realize that's utterly fucking stupid?

[@darthbrandon2149]

You are 100% correct. Right Wing Progressivism, for whites only.

[@moejohnson2132]

As a right wing populist this is correct. That's why I love Maine, a liberal state that is mostly European demographic

[@NotAPacifist825]

@@moejohnson2132 thanks for saying the quiet part out loud.

[@waltergrace565]

Wow, Kyle's audience has gone pretty much full mentalist.

[@mmr0221]

RIP Trevor Moore

[@kenlowiii]

Kyle channeling Michael Brooks' style philosophy at the end of this segment. Love to see it

[@jasonj6206]

Why would you want to work with a side that doesn't believe in other people's (black, brown, LGBTQIA+) right to exist? Hard pass

[@DousedInPiss]

Why you just lie about people like that? you're part of the problem.

[@angelantayhua3096]

1) because the collective and the individuals who make up that collective are two different things 2) it’s about policy priorities

[@KendallChristiansonYT]

Cenk Uygur talking about united people is hilariously ironic

[@Greyskymorning395]

Australian here, raising the minimum wage did nothing here because it inflated the entire economy

[@iamalongusername]

It's so nice to see Kyle with decent lighting.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

right to work. hmm. sounds like Taft-Hartly. That Truman didn't want to be law, etc. Even Hartmann has talked about that.

[@jamescelliers3195]

Hasnt Cenk been calling Jimmy Dore a right winger for saying the same thing?

[@yao052]

No. Jimmy Dore is just a dishonest clown who attacks progressvies

[@Shaun-Vargas]

Yes, but when Cenk says it well we should accept it and not question.. Cenk and Trump have more in common than not

[@jamescelliers3195]

@@yao052 You saying jimmy Dore attacks progressives while attacking a progressive would be comical if it wasn't so sad.

[@RextheRebel]

As someone who is without question more conservative on cultural/social issues, i have been stating for years now that we need 2 new parties to take over the discussion. Both need to be economically left (social democratic or democratic socialist) but the two can differ on their social policies. I dont think we should force progressive or conservative cultural norms onto anyone, i think states should decide this (as well as counties) and allow people to move where they feel like they belong. Conservative and progressive views on behavior and day to day activities simply cannot coexist, especially when they attack the very foundations of the other, say the view on gender roles or example. But if enough conservatives can say, "hey, im no feminist and never will be, my daughter and my son are going to be raised as nature/god intended and what some academic stooges think, but in order for that to happen we all need healthcare, housing, good jobs and good wages." If more progressives can say, "hey, my grandparents may be rahcist but i shouldn't be able to deny them care based on that and we shouldn't try to get young people fired who say things we dont like" then i think we'd be in a better place socially. You don't need to be progressive to be socialist. I for instance, view the family as the root foundation of decentralized planning models socialism is based on. Even conservatives have acknowledged this, though for them they viewed it as a bad thing ironically. There are Christian socialists, which i am not, but plenty of conservatives in the modern era are both irreligious or atheist and have market skeptical views on Capitalism. Progressives can have their cities and conservatives should have theirs. Call it segregation of you like, i dont care. Conservative values impede progressive values of decorum and progressive values break down conservative values of decorum. So they should not intermingle on a regular, permanent basis. It just can't coexist. But it will be easier for everyone, no matter your stance on romantic relationships, duty, freedom, work ethic etc, if everyone supported UBI, unions, single payer healthcare, socialized housing and green infrastructure. Idk what any of what i just listed has to do with anyone's opinion on gender. It shouldn't. They aren't related. Socialism is all about the workers having control. Conservatives like work ethic, which i believe will improve under a more worker oriented economic model. Like famileis as much as i do? Dont price them out of the housing market, outsource their career, automate it away, higher cheap foreign labor and don't incentivize single parenthood, give assistance like child investment services (TANF, WIC, Universal Childcare, paid leave) to families. And invest in a Family Partnership Program that pairs single adults and single parents together to increase the stability of society and the individuals living in it. The only war that matters is the class war and subsequently the war on poverty. All other identitarian bourgeois distractions are just that; distractions. What separates us by race, gender, orientation etc is nothing compared to what unites us; shared experience as wage slaves and as members of the proletariat. Edit: id like to add that Libertarians (American capitalist ones, not socialists) are Right wing and largely progressive on social issues. What makes someone Right wing or Left wing is their opinon of Capitalism. If you think the answer is more Capitalism aka deregulation and lower taxes, then you are Right wing. If you are at the very least, skeptical of capitalism's effect on the populace, you are left leaning. If you seek to move beyond capitalism entirely you are Left. You support communism? Far left.

[@kennethnorth7018]

I applaud you. I agree completely

[@1-day-at-a-time]

Today Bernie just did an OP-ED for Fox News ( in Print) . They published his article in full. "It's time to protect working families through $3.5 trillion budget reconcilliation bill."

[@Heavygusto]

Cenk backpedaling from Jimmy smears, so, so hard.

[@ericl2495]

Exactly. I'm amazed how many don't see this

[@indigoace261]

You know a smear is a bad thing, right? People throw around phrases and don't even know what they mean...

[@ericl2495]

@@indigoace261 Do you know what it means or what he's saying?

[@indigoace261]

@@ericl2495 No, please educate me. It seems incoherent.

[@Heavygusto]

@@indigoace261 Ana Kasparian accused Jimmy Dore and a Pullitzer prize winning journalist of working for the Russian government. This is false. What is true is that Ana Kasparian accepted payment at a Nato summit to host a very uncritical interview with Madeleine Albright, famous for her quote that "We think the price is worth it" with regards to hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians dying as a result of US invasion and occupation.

[@joelmcentire1]

Kyle is the peacemaker of the left. “Both sides are right” lolz

[@chrlpolk]

Peacemaker or nutless wonder?

[@moonie9000]

They literally are both right.

[@moonie9000]

@@chrlpolk Seeing good points in both sides is why I follow Kyle. He's not a childish reactionary like you probably are.

[@karabokhwiane7593]

"There are fine people on both sides."

[@biguy617]

Oh is that why he is talking about Cenk Uyger and doesn’t mention he is a fraud and full of crap?

[@TimLeahy2]

That's a great message at the end. Someone once said in a crisis the right look for converts and the left look for traitors.

[@dansheffield4021]

Depends on the nature of the crisis... sometimes the right being in power IS the crisis

[@eigeneagle9163]

I'm a cultural conservative and have issues with feminism, "anti racism", and some (but not all) aspects of transgender advocacy. I share some (but not all) of the concerns Republican voters have with immigration. But it's been apparent to me for a long time we were duped when we were told if we kept wages and upper-income taxes low that the spoils would trickle down. It's also apparent Corporate America doesn't care about the things I care about or the national good and is responsible for outsourcing, sending critical supply chains overseas, is far more at fault for the climate of people being afraid to speak their minds than the left, and largely fights to maintain the immigration status quo that works for them and not the country. I also think it's really hard to argue against the idea of more money in the hands of wage earners does more for the national good than more in the hands of corporations and the investor class. I can only speak for myself, but I'd walk a mile through a blizzard to vote for a Bernie Sanders or Nina Turner even if they are too "woke" for my taste. Give me a choice between Trump and a Corporate Democrat though and I'm staying home on election day. I have no idea how to create a workable alliance with the populist right and the populist left, but I strongly suspect corporate America stokes the fires of the culture wars to try to keep that alliance from forming.

[@bt2598]

This!

[@b13nx2k]

Kyleism …. “You are not gonna get dicky mcGees sacks…”

[@Therealolbussyjumbo]

Yes, 100% Kyle. They’re both talking about 2 separate groups

[@papaofthejohns5882]

@Yo Momma He's not wrong.

[@patrickzeinali]

Kyle you are a disappointment with your production quality. you're suppose to get better, you keep getting worse

[@wisdomwalking8897]

He’s on the Breaking Points set, filling in for Saagar this week

[@mike229290]

He is not in his studio.

[@jadocastor5118]

A significant portion of people on the right hate "wokeness" and "SJW's". They love their guns and feel strongly about abortion. Some will even defend their privilege at the cost of any economic gains (rather be dirt poor than see one get something "free.") I think the cultural stuff counts more than people might believe.

[@CaBdosdos]

Funny I wish Kyle would take his own advice when it comes to voters choosing moderates over progressive candidates instead of just screaming dark money over and over.

[@josephjohn907]

Trueeee

[@GordieKat]

@@xunqianbaidu6917 Banking on the idea that most dems hate Biden as much as we progressives do.

[@ShabbsArt]

I dont think kyle knows the meaning of populism

[@oijnoijnoijnoijnoijn]

I love my dad, however, he voted for Trump twice. I wouldn't say he loves Republicans as much as I would say he definitely HATES Democrats. When Trump passed the tax cuts, I remember talking to him about it and he said "I know the tax cuts were for rich people, I know it wasn't made for people like me" and I asked him why he supported it, and why he wasn't mad at Trump for passing it. He didn't have any response really, and just sort of 'reset' into talking about how much he hates Democrats. I blame cult programming. On this issue I think Vaush is right. They will never vote for economic populism, because they don't actually care about populism. They care about ... culture bullshit, I guess.

[@tonioshea9870]

Omg, been there! But I'm from Alabama... so duh!

[@flashcloud666]

Vaush's argument can also apply to the idiotic people who keep voting for centrist democrats.

[@actionbastard86]

Uniting voting people under a good reformation cause is a good idea. However this rhetoric of treating those on the other side as lessers that all 3 of you use is the reason why it's not going to happen.

[@carlogaytan7010]

I recommend you watch Vaush's full commentary on the Vaush Pit cuss he said something Kyle didnt mention. He recounted a time that a "Populist Right winger" tweeted at him saying that he would work together with him, but he had to stop calling him racist. Vaush was like, Seriously dude? Get F'ing real my dude, if you want that then stop being F'ing Racist. We aren't treating them as lessers, we are pointing out willingly Ignorance on thier part, which they have full ability to change on. Then they arent willing to work towards our solutions. This tells me these people dont really want solutions and enjoy complaining.

[@fruitenantcolonel9207]

So glad that vaush is becoming more relevant nowadays.

[@laram8255]

Smelly 😂 I like vaush & Kyle

[@-kaijamesy-3056]

@ocelot. why don’t you like Vaush?

[@arturo0727]

He extremely popular in the Zoomer Lefty circles.

[@angelantayhua3096]

arturo0727 unfortunately. He’s funny I’ll admit that

[@commasplice1459]

Glad to see Kyle on his game talking policy instead of being mixed up in youtube drama nonsense

[@christophercelmer405]

Kyle, how many times can we accept we were duped? You can't fix gullibility until they are willing to admit they were wrong and they never will.

[@hurmur9528]

Vaush is right in reality though and Cenk in this case is an idealist without knowing it. The way Vaush put it is more in tuned with reality and it is a difference even though Kyle may not see it like that. Do not look at the similarities (no trust on establishment for example) but focus on implementing your goals. The similarities often is a mirage. Kyle is not correct when he thinks that the left needs to work together on everything. Cenk and Vaush agrees in most cases. They are not in conflict. But Jimmy Dore and his followers are another story entirely. There I think it is important to draw a line in the sand simply because they can be destructive for the progressive movement.

[@tiena6630]

Vaush became a frequent feature on Secular Talk, we made it fam.

[@angelantayhua3096]

Oh no not another Vaushite. Time to get my gun.

[@josephjohn907]

Yep. Vaush Rad

[@timothyo718]

I like Vaush generally (except when he simps for TYT) but hate his fans.

[@jojo-ub5bw]

Vaush dad

[@waltergrace565]

Just kill us all now.

[@campfiresong]

Vaush doesn't talk to any economic reform supporting right wingers. Not sure why Kyle keeps dancing around critisizing Vaush. Vaush's take is DIRECTLY at odds with Cenks. Not sure what Kyle is doing here

[@ericpmoss]

Vaush has two logical flaws -- the right wing populist voters never got a chance to vote Bernie because of the primary system we have. So that's just moot. The other is about the social issues -- his approach never gives a chance to attract such voters. He defines it as unwinnable and then uses that assumption to 'prove' that it's unwinnable.