Vecna Goes to Therapy: Stranger Things 4 - Therapist Reacts!

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Ever wonder what makes Vecna tick? Why does he do what he does? Psychotherapist Georgia Dow delves into the mind of the villain in "Stranger Things" season 4!
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[@Zebastian5522]

Everyone else: Who is Vecna? This therapist: How is Vecna?

[@GeorgiaDow]

ill do you one better .... why is Vecna

[@lalllaaowjsj]

@@GeorgiaDow drax 😭😭

[@sarahsepanski1986]

@@GeorgiaDow hahah 😂 perfect 👌🏻

[@notsusoranythingbut3822]

Stranger Things kids: Where is Vecna?

[@catkilled]

Fun fact: While Jaime is giving the speech as 001, he doesn’t blink at all (Or if he does it’s super subtle) which adds to his unnerving and intimidating nature, especially since he’s all about truly ‘seeing’ people for who they are.

[@RichardStrong86]

Michael Caine talks about this in one of his old acting classes. That not blinking projects a sense of intimidating power, and that the opposite a sense of weakness.

[@catkilled]

@@RichardStrong86 I think that’s so awesome!

[@aanyamallick7747]

It's also important to note that this is a common trait amongst sociopaths.

[@tturing5698]

Oh how very Elizabeth Holmes of him

[@AgentFulgoreBasedDepartment]

i noticed that and thought it was a great added touch to an already outstanding performance.

[@trinaq]

Jamie was amazing at playing Vecna, I got chills during every single one of his scenes, even before his true identity was revealed. There's no way that you'd cast an actor of such high caliber, and have him play a seemingly minor role.

[@adventuresinAI1982]

A good villain is someone's who's motivations you can understand or at least relate to in some way, otherwise they are just a boring evil-for-no-reason, rather.

[@evlnte]

I felt ashamed identifying with Vecna for at least a third of his speech. The disgust with the world: with all its dishonesty and hypocrisy. Then the killing began and I was like... "ok, not me! Creepy guy... find my happy place!".. Love this show. Love you analysis videos.

[@trinaq]

Indeed, you'd start off thinking "Okay, the world is a corrupt, amoral place, maybe he DOES have a valid point", but the killing is taking it a step too far!

[@joem1480]

Remember, everything he said had some truth in it, but then he twisted and warped it.

[@CarlywithaY90]

Yeah, in the backstory, he lost me at the rabbit torture scene 😰

[@evlnte]

@@CarlywithaY90 OMG, I was jumping ship with the black widows. I too am fascinated by spiders and their unique abilities ...but from afar!

[@catkilled]

You shouldn’t beat yourself up about it: what makes a good villain is there is truth to their intentions and horror to their actions. Vecna’s speech absolutely has some truth to it, but of course we all agree why his method of trying to ‘fix’ things and his intent to hurt others is what makes him deplorable

[@JuanChavez-uj5su]

I get you saying we need to trust therapists but also mental health treatments back in the 60s and 70s were pretty bad and a survivor of institutionalization back then would be pretty messed up. I really want to see a therapist go over the history of mental healthcare and the way ableism and eugenics shaped hospitals and institutions.

[@TheAutisticBrewer]

We only banned forced sterilization of the disabled in 1991. Which is why the current “discussion” around putting those with “bad mental health” on a list or searching them out to “stop mass shootings” is so damn dangerous.

[@GeorgiaDow]

yes that is right also. There is a reason that they have a bad wrap now a days and it is valid. We have such high set of ethics now for that reason. And there are good and bad in every field. I can understand why people are not trusting especially when it comes to their emotional well being. All the therapists I know though really do care and want to make the world a better place you just need to find one who suits your needs and personality

[@The482075]

Don't forget hysteria. I recently learnt that this is a sexist term which was a catch all for "women's problems". Both physical and mental health difficulties were dismissed and ostracised with the label hysteria.

[@sirmoonslosthismind]

@@The482075 the terminology has changed, but it's still the case that doctors generally don't treat women's problems as seriously as men's. there's an implicit assumption that women will complain about things even when they're perfectly healthy, while if a man has a complaint it must be serious.

[@The482075]

@@sirmoonslosthismind Well that's a bit rubbish. So much for duty of care.

[@flaminyawn]

Whenever Vecna was toying with his victims, taunting them with their sources of guilt and telling them that was why he was targeting them, it really did come across more like rationalization than reason. I always felt like the only reason he picked victims with things they felt guilty about is by preying on that guilt and asserting that insert-trauma-here was their own fault, it let him maintain that superior attitude he asserts over them. And also probably made them lower their mental defenses so it was easier to finish them off.

[@GeorgiaDow]

yes and to feed off that pain and guilt

[@SaulOhio]

He saw that guilt as a weakness, that it is a strength to be able to do horrible things without guilt.

[@robert_bbiii]

I've known some of the anti-social people who, while not murderous, had some of the Vecna traits. I hope that I became friends with them and brought them into groups it helped them. Tried to keep them out of the spiral. No, you're human, you're one of us and that is OK. Then there is the difference between El and Vecna. She had the Hawkins group to keep her tethered.

[@GeorgiaDow]

You are a kind soul. Thank you for doing that where most would just avoid you have included

[@potatotomato6339]

I have ASD and most people like me growing up get segregated from other peers told you act like a robot, emotionless, and insensitive. So over time you start to convince yourself you are different from others you arent "human" of course this isnt true and even I have had to break myself out of that mindset because in reality I'm not robotic I just express my emotions differently they are still very much there. When 001 mentions how everyone acts in a play I related to that because you feel like the only one without a script it was great writing tbh. anyways it is very kind of you to reach out to people like me it's great of you to try.

[@robert_bbiii]

@@potatotomato6339 My group was always the ones into geeky things. I had fri outside that too. I always hated when some of them referred to those outside or group as mundanes or normal or some other. I gelt it was insulting to both the person they were saying it to snd themselves. Nope, we're all human.

[@dragonsword8129]

@@potatotomato6339 By ASD, I’m guessing you mean Autism Spectrum Disorder (don’t know if there’s another disorder that acronyms into that)? I have that as well (specifically, Asperger’s). It’s kind of funny. People often mistake us for lacking emotions, but we actually tend to feel more emotion than nuerotypical people do. I think I’ve shifted from seeming robotic to super-emotional sometimes and it would surprise people.

[@rdmrdm2659]

@@dragonsword8129 anti social disorder?

[@davidthornthwaite2149]

This was the first time I realised that this is likely the first time anyone has described typical life to El. The thing he's so contemptuous of is the thing she's been deprived of by Brenner.

[@lindseycassella3015]

That's a really good observation

[@Iquey]

OHHH THIS MAKEs SENnSE

[@SaulOhio]

It seems to me like Vecna sees guilt as a big source of what he calls "weakness". His father feels guilt over the civilians he killed in the war. Chrissy is bulimic, which involves guilt for overeating. Larry feels guilt for the car crash he was involved in. Vecna keeps harping on Max's guilt over Billy. He thinks it is a strength to be able to do horrible things without regretting it.

[@inspieredanimal3809]

I think Christy is anorexic, we see her throwing up and her mother would make comments about her looks/weight which lead to this, that's why it's her mother whose loosening her clothes in her visions thats why she is verbally abusing her and making her feel insecure, her dad the turns a blind eye to her mother's abuse which is why we see him with his mouth and eyes sewn shut...

[@xtuffcookiex]

Knowing his dad’s side of the story and then seeing Vecna’s it was interesting to compare them . So the red flag was Venca killing animals in a twisted way 🚩🚩🚩

[@GeorgiaDow]

yes that was a big red flag

[@Fyrmer]

Still hoping Victor gets a video in the future.

[@venerexate1841]

@@GeorgiaDow “As I practiced I learned that I could do more than I could possibly imagine.” If only he didn’t torture people to death with that power, maybe he could actually get a therapist without immediately searching their past and killing them. That might lead to him getting proper therapy and medication which could lead to him having a less awful view of humanity, which in turn could cause him to have the will and ability to close the portal to the upside-down when it was first opened… he would have saved the world, if only he gave it a chance to save him.

[@Biomirth]

It wasn't just a red flag, it was critical evidence that what Vecna was saying didn't match up with what he was doing. He wasn't 'exploring', he was being sadistic. Just like "join with me" is translated to "Become food for me". He's not just antisocial but deeply egocentric and sadistic.

[@harmonlanager2670]

Breaks my heart that Victor never even suspected Henry. He genuinely thought his innocent son was taken from him by a malevolent force, never realizing it was right in front of him.

[@gazblackheart4596]

I felt like his speech was one of the best parts of the season so far

[@GeorgiaDow]

he did it so well also

[@1TutorialBoss]

What made him dangerous to me was, he was a little bit right with that she was going through. She was a prisoner, a test subject, an outsider even in her peer group, he did save her from the guards. But the important thing to remember is the context, her actual envirnment and abuse. Doesnt make him good, or right, just sircumstantually(cant spell for the life of me) correct.

[@samigreenberg6632]

Villains typically identify relevant issues though they chase a solution that will cause more harm

[@soulfox32]

Circumstantially*

[@1TutorialBoss]

@@soulfox32 thank you, i cannot spell for the life of me!

[@michacieslak2346]

I have to say that this Vecna has some similarities or easter eggs to original, D&D Vecna. So, I'll just leave some nerdy fun facts that link to ST version of Vecna ;) He was a wizard, a mortal, who became a lesser diety. One of his titles is Master of the Spider Throne - nod to the spiders in the show. He was banished to Cavitius, which is described as "cold with clouds of drifting flakes of ash" Vecna using his left hand, which is one of the two relics that remained of him in the mortal realm The eyes "removal" - eye is a second thing that he left in the mortal plane He and his cult was always extremely secretive, which I think is referenced by his obsession with showing secrets of his victims This version though is much less of a 'typical' evil villain. I love this portrayal.

[@junietunes2148]

It would be cool to do one on Eddie. Accused of something that he didn't do and yet he managed to stay sane through the panic. But also the psychology surrounding "Satanic Panic" would be really interesting!

[@meowmeow1stgen668]

He didn’t stay sane, he technically committed suicide!

[@trinaq]

Vecna is such a terrifying villain, in that he preys on your past trauma and insecurity. Hopefully, Nancy will be able to be rescued in time, like Max.

[@CarlywithaY90]

I'm already trying to guess what song that they'll try to use to get her back!

[@Cutejess2407]

@Carly Oeller I have a feeling that Robin will get that music box!

[@JustAJinx-ci6hg]

I only wish they'd not have made his decayed version look so... very obviously a rubber suit.

[@TheLogicalIdiot]

Times up

[@Hurricayne92]

@@JustAJinx-ci6hg I think its because they went with mostly physical effects rather than doing it with CGI. Apparently it took Jaime hours to get into it all and he had to wait in an air conditioned tent when he wasn't filming due to it being so hot.

[@OneWingedRose]

Love the Vecna room cosplay! And really enjoyed the video too!

[@GeorgiaDow]

YAY

[@gabrielakrist11]

ngl, I really love the props, the veins on the wall, the "snakes" that are attached onto Georgia's chair, Georgia's "sausage" ribbons, and the knitted sweater that is modified into Vecna's cosplay... I love it all 😍😍

[@GeorgiaDow]

thank you for appreciating all the work and tiny details. I do hope they bring those who watch some joy, Thank you very much for noticing it all it makes doing it worth it

[@erickleefeld4883]

The source of Henry’s psychotic mind and behavior is that from his mental powers, he immediately perceived the darkest secrets and worst acts that any person ever did. Where society saw in his father a respectable family man and veteran of World War II, he saw the man who’d bombed an innocent family and burned a baby alive. And then from each new person’s dark secret (he alludes to something bad his mother had done, whatever it was, and on and on from there) he concluded that all of human existence was utterly pointless and a lie. Of course, human life is a mixture of beauty and darkness. But in Henry’s view of the world, the darkness was all that mattered, and anything seemingly bright and noble was just a hypocritical cover story.

[@v.v365]

Before that final episode in this part of the season I was struggling to grasp Vecna’s motive, his logic, but as soon as we got the full backstory it started to make a bit of sense. Your breakdown is helping make infinitely more sense in my brain

[@GeorgiaDow]

thanks =)

[@maxxam4665]

Stranger Thing's Vecna always made me think about that poem from E.A. Poe, "Alone". In some ways it seems written for him a couple of centuries ago.

[@MandVersusNature]

Wow! It’s so similar it makes me wonder if some of the inspiration for him actually came from reading thatZ

[@inspieredanimal3809]

What does the poem say?

[@MrWizeazz]

I’m curious what you would do as a therapist when faced with a patient who is both telepathic and telekinetic? I’m mostly wondering whether you’d be either terrified or genuinely curious by how their mind works.

[@1000clones]

I think a good way to not be scared in that situation is to just remember that most people without powers are still dangerous. If a normal person wants you dead there isn’t much you can do to stop them.

[@misspogani7694]

@@1000clones Yeah, but he would know every thought even when they're not fully formed, which can be very very dangerous. We're responsible of what we say, not what we think. Someone in the head of anybody would probably be very hurt by some thoughts even if they don't hold much real value: "what an ugly dress, should I say anything or propose a shoping trip? - squirrel! - oh, she's gained weight... but it's nice, she wasn't taking care of herself since the breakup - by the way BOOOOOOBBBBS - so nice to see each other after so long - what shoud I eat tonight? - ok, don't talk about your kids, I don't care - hmm, squirrel!"

[@Iquey]

Hmm. I guess telekinesis would be a little scary but it would also be cool so my curiosity is usually stronger. If I'm gonna die oh well. On the telepathic end, I mean, our phones almost already know what we're thinking before we type anything in. With a person being the thoughts interpreter, rather than some AI algorithm, I guess I would feel more bad for the person reading my mind, because they would be bombarded by all my nonsense. I usually have music playing in my mind, a lot like Max. I think they would need to be an expert at filtering thoughts vs. Feelings. My mind is like a churning sea, with currents full of flotsam and jetsam, but not everything in it is a fish. Some of it is just garbage from all my information consumption.

[@marygannon5509]

I think the best plan for a therapist is to get him sedated as much as possible.

[@Pwn2win]

The one bit of sympathy I had for Vecna was him seeing his dads memory of the shelled home and the baby. Victor was clearly still haunted by his mistake as an adult. I can't even imagine seeing that as a child and knowing that your own father was responsible for it.

[@honinakecheta601]

Vecna was torturing animals, I doubt he felt bothered the dame way his father did seeing that child. It actually seemed like he was taunting his father with that memory, like how he taunted the rest of his family before murdering them

[@chinazaamagwula3864]

@@honinakecheta601 right besides that memory from his dad was a mistake that he felt guilty for. Vecna is just psychopathic misanthrope.

[@Pwn2win]

@@honinakecheta601 He did say that he focused his power by thinking about something that made him sad and angry at the same time though.

[@honinakecheta601]

@@Pwn2win I don’t remember him ever saying anything about feeling “sad” or “happy” he said that he thinks about things that made him angry.

[@Pwn2win]

@@honinakecheta601 When he was talking to El to teach her how to use her powers. Before he reveled he was 001.

[@Joselyn6713]

The song selection of 'Running Up That Hill'... notice when Kate B. sings 'w/No Problems' the camera shot goes to him while he puts his feet on a rock, like an affirmation. This song is much much more to 001-Vecna and his desire to swap places w/011 or any of his victims to experience life that they do, instead of the 'hell' he's going through.

[@Drudenfusz]

Georgia don't try to make me feel bad for the villain! But I totally agree with you that media is too often portraying anti-social or otherwise people with mental disorders as violent when in reality those people are the most likely to be on the receiving end of violence.

[@AgentFulgoreBasedDepartment]

i have Antisocial Personality Disorder, was diagnosed back in 2011. red flags were present from the beginning: i hurt the family cat, had fits of destructive rage, no guilt or remorse, unable to feel empathy, shallow fleeting emotions (besides anger, disgust and hatred - those have always been the most intense and legitimate), preferred solitary activities etc. it worsened to me becoming violent as a teenager towards others. my parents noticed what was going on and i was put into therapy early - before age 5 early. i was heavily medicated to the point of zombie like sedation, hospitalized against my will almost a dozen times, evaluated and examined by every doctor and specialist under the sun (in my area). i was aggressive and violent towards the staff and other patients in the units; all of my paperwork from every psych unit throughout the years contained the same sentence: “patient is uncooperative, hostile, and combative.” my parents aren’t good people either. i relate so much to Vecna; especially his anger and seething hatred for humanity. i used to tell the psychologists and psychiatrists i saw how much i despised this world and wanted to watch it burn to ash. i even wanted to set it on fire myself. it took over 18 years and extreme intensive therapy to realize that even though having this disorder wasn’t within my control (my father has Narcissistic Personality Disorder with Antisocial traits, and studies have shown that a biological child of a parent with a Cluster B disorder is 50-55% more likely to develop the same disorder or another Cluster B disorder), what IS in my control is my actions. i CHOSE to do the morally right thing by not hurting others. i haven’t always succeeded but i’ve never done permanent damage, and the fits of rage have become less frequent as i got older. the things you mentioned: being the scapegoat in a family of hypocrites, being treated like a wild animal, seeing the world for what it is, feeling like a prisoner when i was hospitalized and forced to go to therapy, feeling like a lab rat / failed experiment, etc are all things i’ve experienced. i’ve also seen the visceral reaction others have had (usually neurotypical people, but some ND people too) towards me. i scare people, intimidate them, make them nervous. it’s not something i do purposely - i can’t pretend to be something i’m not, and masking is annoying. i also think neurotypical people have a sort of “sense” when someone like me is in their general vicinity (the feeling of danger nearby) - as an evolved response to predator animals. i’m not calling myself that; it’s more of the feeling of “an other” or different type of person / animal being around. it’s a concept that has been described to me by someone i asked. i found that fascinating since i don’t feel fear and can’t be intimidated. additionally, i won’t make excuses for the terrible things i’ve done in the past but i’ve made steps to improve (and mitigate the risk of violence occurring, which hasn’t in a while thankfully). i own up and take accountability; i feel no guilt or remorse but i know i must live within society’s rules in order to keep my freedom - and i value that about all else. it’s selfish but i’m a selfish person 🤷🏻‍♀️ i’m a cold, detached person and always have been; but thankfully the anger has calmed down and i’m more robotic (or “in robot mode” as i nicknamed it) these days. thank you for proving such an insightful analysis, Georgia. my analytical brain appreciates your candidness and ability to explain such complex things in a way everyone can understand, in a non-judgmental way. i also really appreciate you taking time to de-stigmatize people like me who have ASPD… we’re not all Ted Bundy or Michael Myers, and there are more of us out here than most people realize. you’re awesome.

[@GeorgiaDow]

Thank you so much for sharing this. I think it is so helpful to hear from people who have different lived experiences and how it has affected them. I hope you are living well and surround yourself with people who accept you for who you are. Thank you for sharing

[@AgentFulgoreBasedDepartment]

⁠@@GeorgiaDowyou’re welcome. i appreciate the response. i agree with you 100%; it’s definitely helpful for people like me who have diagnoses that are wildly misunderstood, understudied + stigmatized to speak out - not only to share our experiences, but to do the right thing by dispeling myths & debunking stereotypes. it helps normalize discussions around the disorder, which is always a positive thing in my opinion. as far as my life goes: i don’t have many people, and my family has a very… complicated dynamic (massive understatement lol), but the few people i would consider legitimate friends are those who know about my diagnosis + are accepting of it. i definitely lucked out in avoiding incarceration and establishing a somewhat “normal” life. it’s not extravagant but it beats the alternatives.

[@davidenativo]

Sorry if I’m skipping to another universe entirely, but the argument about using power for good is exactly what’s behind the siths in the star wars universe. People usually think that in that universe, jedis are good and siths are evil, while instead it is much more complicated than that. Jedis try to do good, while also trying not to disrupture the balance between all things. This leads them many many time to let injustice happen, which is evil. Siths on the other hand, want to use their power to do what jedis do not, which is not let injustice be. However by doing this, by taking into their own hands the decision of who’s right and who’s not, and what the punishment should be, they end up craving that power ever more, causing even more injustice. This is all very well explained in “the philosophy of Kreia” video dissertation here on youtube. Anyway, this is what I think has happened, at least very closely, to Vecna, who was Vecna well before the monstrous deformation of his body (which was nothing but a physical manifestation of his true self, or the one he had become)

[@Pwntistic]

Ahhh it just hit me! Ell is the Black Widow. He worships and studies the Widows but he does not consider himself one or see himself as one because he actually finds them intriguing - he doesn't find himself intriguing. He sees himself as simply existing and impossible of being understood because he feels that far beyond those around him. With Elle and the Widows he sees a potential equal or as equal as something could get to him - which is what he desires.

[@valdie91285]

I've always been fascinated with the psychology of "good" and "evil", especially in movies. In other words, why does one bad event make one person take vengeance on the world, while another person decides to protect the world? I would love to see videos explaining the psychology of villains and heroes.

[@tringuyen7519]

I would love to see Georgia interview David Harbour! He’s struggled with mental health as a youth. He’s spoken against mental health used as a scapegoat for mass shootings.

[@ray2636]

The entire storyline of stranger things could have not existed if vecna had her as a therapist lol

[@Tizjiz]

Bullies are said to have some personal trauma right? They seek out the outcast to take their stress out on. 11 attacking her bully in a violent way had negative repercussions. In a twisted way Vecna is like a superhuman bully, murdering kids who have some inner turmoil. I wonder if 11 is gonna take Vecna down in a way that doesn’t involve brute force.

[@FreelancerLA]

Very insightful! Always interesting delving into the mindset of a villain or antagonist, especially in light of how we perceive "broken" people.

[@GeorgiaDow]

= ) thanks

[@InfinityKrompt]

I just wanted to give a huge shoutout to you Georgia for these videos, not only is there a lot of production that goes into them (costumes, set designing, editing), but also these breakdowns by a psychotherapist have not only been eye opening in how we as humans function, but also have had an impact on my writing to make character motivations and interactions feel more real, especially when writing characters that they themselves are therapists.

[@GeorgiaDow]

That means so much to me thank you =))) you made my day

[@Pohgg-c9o]

A rando observation, the organ music connected to Vecna scenes sounds similar to that of the origin sequence of Dr Manhattan in the "Watchmen". Who was a lonely god as well. Nice atmospheric cosplay.

[@rayofmoonshine3735]

This scene gave me chills and your analysis was spot on! I'd love to see your opinion on the aspect of El's struggle with her morality that was touched upon this season. Maybe also her relationship with papa. Oh, and Lucas! I'm so done w ppl hating on him because he didn't wanna be bullied anymore. So many more topics to be touched here! Mike, Will, Hopper's "curse". Sorry for the request dumb. Love your channel!

[@melaniep8761]

I seriously found this genuinely interesting and insightful. The way you approached it, although not a way I had previously thought, was very well done and eye opening. Like an “oh yeah, that makes sense” without the distasteful kind of “what are you trying to get at” feeling. You’re seriously professional in the best way possible. I’m sure clients were or are…idk your current situation as I’m new to your channel…they’re very lucky to have you. You’re doing an amazing job of listening, analyzing, understanding to the best of your ability, and explaining in a way that is relatable.

[@rikorobinson]

You. Are. Brilliant. I just realized Will and Vecna are an exploration of what a person is capable of when they feel isolated for being different. Vecna chose to kill. Will feels isolated, feeling like a mistake (presumably for being queer), and he chose the opposite path. His painting is an expression of this. Possibly in love with Mike, he still chose to push Mike into professing his love for Eleven and healing that relationship. He chose the love for his friends, whereas Vecna chose to kill people. I'm also realizing how lucky Will is for having people that love him; I mean, friends are the family you choose. That's sacred. And that scene with Jonathan letting Will know he's loved no matter what? I saw nothing like that for Henry Creel. He wasn't abused or anything horrible, but he still seemed so alone.

[@Anonymous-rj2lk]

I had an interesting talk with a criminology PHD not long ago and we both agreed that evil is mostly learned and made, not born.

[@BobbyK19]

THE TENDRILS! Your casual cosplay looks are absolutely insane!

[@GeorgiaDow]

It makes me so happy you like it =) it was such fun to make and figure out how I was going to casually be vecna yet not go too far

[@HassanAhmed-mu1bu]

Damn, i would really like a session with you. My older theory of vecna was that at the start, he knew why he makes mistakes, mistakes that hurt others and when he got into people's minds he saw their mistakes without the psychological reasons for them, so he catastrophises there acts while from his prespective he when he makes a mistake it is for a reason, BUT this could be also wrong, his rage his rebellion against the idea of being broken may make him biased and too biased after committing those acts, because maybe if these acts are wrong then he is (in his eyes) broken and deserving of death and of low self esteem, so that biases him from the truth..

[@GeorgiaDow]

I like your perspective also thank you for sharing it

[@Biomirth]

Your Mind Lair Chair is epic. I wouldn't have even noticed if it didn't move around a bit when you moved in your chair. Love your content. Half my family are therapists so it is really interesting seeing someone with a good mix of humility, curiosity, wisdom, maturity, and empathy address these topics. You're clearly very talented and caring and anyone would do well to find you as their therapist!

[@actuallyansel4697]

god i love seeing the amount of effort you put into these videos!! great commentary and i LOVE seeing your cosplays every episode :) keep up the good work! truly an incredibly educational and entertaining series

[@axielotl2645]

God it’s so relieving to hear u give a sympathetic view of ASPD- ppl in the cluster b personality disorder group tend to get the short end of the stick and they’re so often vilified and scapegoated. Especially people with NPD and ASPD, especially by therapists misusing the terminology and referring to abusers as psychopaths or sociopaths or narcissists when so often those people are victims of abuse and their mindsets and behaviours are shaped by the traumas they experienced. I’m someone with a massive interest in psychology, and who was afraid to step into the field because of how poorly people with these personality disorders are treated. But you’ve given me hope and I feel much more drive to try and enter this line of work. Thank you so much, you have no idea how important this is to me

[@GeorgiaDow]

that is very confirming to hear. We need more people in the field who want to de stigmatize and educate. I hope you look into pursuing it and thank you for being a part of my community

[@dendritibus]

@@GeorgiaDow I'm sorry Georgia, but I can't sympathize at all with the cluster B folks...maybe borderlines can be salvaged, there appears to be some emotional empathy there, but narcissists and psychopaths...well, they're truly evil people. Their complete lack of empathy and integrity, their natural propensity to lie, manipulate, and be dishonest, their bullying behaviors, their sneaky and shady behaviors, their selfishness, self-centeredness and delusions, and many other toxic and undesirable qualities...make it almost impossible to sympathize with them once you know what they're capable of.

[@erickleefeld4883]

I think the character of Vecna is one of the most incisive (and chilling) takes we’ve seen on the modern-day mass shooter phenomenon, barely disguised as an ‘80s pop culture nostalgia story. His character is then contrasted against all the innocent weirdos who gets caught up in society’s suspicions, as shown with the D&D nerds; and crucially compared to Eleven, the weirdo who hears the suspicions so much they even start to falsely believe it, and then are made to feel horribly afraid of themselves.

[@THExRISER]

Man that décor is on point, love what you did with the tendrils and wires in the back.

[@ToeGripper9988]

Man if Henry just got a good therapist, Stranger things wouldn't even need to exist.

[@GeorgiaDow]

I think about that type of thing a lot

[@jessepinkman7535]

i always love the background and clothes your wearing for certain shows or characters lol. The vecna tentacles are awesome

[@theunknownreturns]

I'm trying to keep my boys in therapy, they've been through a lot. They actively resist it. My oldest (10) fears they are "stealing his secrets" which I don't entirely understand. I just want them to have good copping skills to deal with life better than I have.

[@GeorgiaDow]

sometimes with those who are younger play therapy or art therapy may be an easier avenue if they are having trouble with talk therapy

[@tomburns7544]

I can't imagine how much work goes into your videos, Georgia. Honestly, it must be a colossal amount. So much information, and teaching but also so damned enjoyable. Thank you!

[@GeorgiaDow]

awesome compliment thank you for letting me feel appreciated for all the parts which happen

[@tomburns7544]

@@GeorgiaDow I think people don't even think about how one has to do the video editing and... GAH! probably thousands of other things not readily aparent. Anyways, hats off to you (and whoever else is/may be working with you).

[@misspogani7694]

I always love your analysis, nice you added some therapeuthic strategies. 001 is such a spider in some of his predatory behaviors, setting a web and letting his preys hang themselves (with guilt etc.). I'm quite sure he rationalises his manipulaion of El by thinking: I just proposed the tools and gave her some infos, she choosed her path so 🙅‍not my responsability!

[@VampireKnightsFan]

It’s so interesting seeing your view of things, love watching your videos.

[@GeorgiaDow]

I'm so glad!

[@_sh4rp]

I just wanna say I really appreciate how much effort your put in the costumes for these videos! I notice all of them and love all of them! And this one was so so good and creative too ♥️♥️ looking forward to more! I’d love a video on Will throughout the seasons!

[@GeorgiaDow]

I think I will cover will and maybe eddie I will see = ) Thank you for appreciating the work I do it means a lot to me. I really enjoy this and comments like yours make it worth while

[@MrTeeF]

Glad i had already binged it. The fist seconds of this video that autoplays in the youtube feed is a major spoiler for the first half of s4. I suggest having a longer leadup before spoiling so people has a heads up.

[@GeorgiaDow]

oh ack didnt think that it would auto play. Sorry about that.

[@KarrieDreammind5]

Omg, this is exactly what I needed and love! I love psychology and I love films & TV series. I love diving deep into the characters from a film/series I'm into and analysing their actions, motives, personality, relationships with other characters, etc. I have no training in psychology, though, so what you're doing is incredibly interesting for me to hear! Can't wait to watch your other videos. I hope your channel grows!

[@joem1480]

As far as Vecna is concerned I really enjoy your theories on this, but I would love to see a breakdown of his behavior as compared to real life serial killers such as Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer. My reasoning for this is he feels like a traditional serial killer but with a unique method of killing. I know that they borrowed a lot of the fictional Freddy Kruger for him, but he feels far more grounded in reality than Freddy ever did. (and yes I know that is strange to say about a killer with supernatural powers).

[@evlnte]

Look up some of the videos from Dr. Ramani Durvasula as she gives a layman's overview of all types of personality disorders. I think the channel is called MedCircle. It is more above therapy than "serial killer" stuff, but it is super interesting.

[@dendritibus]

Indeed, 001 (aka Vecna) is a textbook psychopath. He exhibited psychopathic tendencies since he was a child, and since these people's brains are wired differently there's nothing one can do to make them "normal".

[@2020Dumpsterfire]

Yeah without his powers he would just be your everyday egotistical serial killer. I think the reason he feels more real than Freddy is due to the world and the rules of the world being fully fleshed out and he fits into the rule of the world ST is set in. There’s also more of a background given on him and a way for you to have a grasp on his reasoning and motivations, plus vecna is still alive. We know Freddy’s history as an adult, but nothing about how he got there and why he was obsessed so much with killing children that he becomes a powerful entity bent on destruction after his death.

[@damianstarks3338]

Perfect Friday morning gift this guy gives me big time Freddy Krueger vibes. Plus your analysis is spot on as always and the music playing while he is telling his origin story is Dr.Manhattan’s theme from the watchmen movie.

[@GeorgiaDow]

yes and fun fact the guy who played Freddy Krueger is Victor which is an awesome nod

[@damianstarks3338]

@@GeorgiaDow I know awesome indeed.

[@antonionunez3759]

Your analysis on people's psychology is very well thought out. And your insight on Vecna is something that very fascinating to listen to. Love your reviews keep up the great work. 🙂👍🏼

[@GeorgiaDow]

thank you I will keep at it

[@antonionunez3759]

@@GeorgiaDow That's awesome to hear. 🙂

[@fabrizioriva1281]

It's disturbing that Vecna is not able to put himself in other people's clothes not even for a moment. That's what serial killers do

[@charlesbronson2701]

Thank you for your amazing work, i really enjoy watching your insights into motivations of others. Also one thing that genuine iterests me, did you train your voice intonation to be so soothing, Or is it a gift you happen to have ? I believe i could calm down listening to your voice even if you were reading a phone book. I am always happy whenever i get popup with notification about new content from you (only other channel that does this for me is the primitive technology guy)

[@shadowseer07]

The gasp I made when I found out Jamie not only played 001 but Vecna the whole time. Wig snatched, head scalped.😱

[@Glittermuncher28]

i like how your outfit matches the person you are talking about 👍👍👍👍your doing really good keep it up!!!

[@GeorgiaDow]

Thank you so much!!

[@Xehanort10]

Him saying "Where others saw order I saw a straitjacket" is him claiming that not being able to do whatever evil thing he wants means he's being controlled.

[@182Voguelover]

Love how you work your outfits for the videos!!!

[@GeorgiaDow]

thanks =)) i really have fun doing that

[@captainkae]

His likening of “order” to a straightjacket actually made a lot of sense. He talks about how all of humanity does is grow, produce, and die. That the “order” of society is actually our pacification

[@Waywardpaladin]

Except his beloved spiders also 'just' grow, produce, and die. That is the rhythm to life, the baseline beat that keeps life going. Love, art, philosophy, and everything else is the higher layers we put on top of that.

[@captainkae]

@@Waywardpaladin i agree

[@FrostySumo]

LOVE the set you built. Great video as always!

[@GeorgiaDow]

thank you I had a lot of fun building it.

[@madnessarcade7447]

they aren’t suggested a lot because they are underrated and deserve more appreciation Georgia Also you would love ultra violet and the black scorpion

[@Bem-0]

You are our therapist without even knowing it, You're video's are beautiful and meaningful and you see the bigger picture of characters and I love that

[@GeorgiaDow]

awww

[@SpuneDagr]

Great talk! Also, lol, love the foam tentacles behind you - nice touch. ;)

[@azrael9011]

I think he’s a psychopath not a sociopath because he hasn’t seem to experience some sort of trauma before the events at Hawkins. So the empathy centre of the brain would be severely under developed and this is shown when he kills animals. He can’t understand other people.

[@RisaPlays]

Even in the early episodes when Henry was acting "nice," there was a part of me that felt he was secretly bad. Like subtle acting cues I was picking up on that I couldn't fully describe. I couldn't shake that feeling, and finding out who he was in the end made that feeling make sense.

[@Giganfan2k1]

2:14 As someone that is ND. Insects, spiders, reptile, every unloved animal was in my tribe. I didn't really have any friends until I was in highschool. I was such a sad, and angry kid. I don't know how I precisely how was able to let go of most of it. But it gives you a shit ton of compassion.

[@jasmingovers4403]

I really love your channel!

[@GeorgiaDow]

yay

[@icesy2109]

As someone who can REALLY relate to vecna for some unknown reason My theory is more on focuses on his rage against hypocrisy, the fact that he's being alienated by people, and the stress that people are giving to each other. I forgot if this was said in the video, but for him, he is above it. He is above the "eat sleep reproduce" cycle and what he sees as unnecessary human desires as these desires create unnecessary stress from people who do not have the right amount of empathy or respect for others. He might see everything on sort of a base value and see people causing harm to others over something that he sees as pointless things. Which is why that's why he sees humans as pest. Maybe for him, he sees himself doing a lesser evil to end a greater one which is how he can excuse what he has done and maybe, just maybe, he sees that his beliefs trump other beliefs just because those beliefs are more flawed. Idk if this is just self projection or if I got it atleast a wee bit right but that's just my 2 cents.

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

What I loved about this character is that we seen his human side as almost a red herring. He was the savor of El. He was the one in the facility that seemed good and did not want to bring harm to everyone. We only see glimpses in to El’s memory and when we find out he is Venca, it shows how manipulative and evil he was. It is incredible how much work he did behind the scenes. We are used to seeing his other form and how he uses his power. The writers already made him a formidable opponent l, but we only knew the half of it until we saw who he started out as. He is also compelling because there is sympathy there, at first. The facility was cruel and taught everyone to be cruel. Venca thought the people he killed were just as bad as the adults who taught them to be cruel in the first place. We don’t approve of his actions, but his reasons are justifiable. It is also the classic story of what would happen if you followed this person’s path. Just like Venca, we can see El is a foil to him. We see what she could have been if she chose to hold onto her anger and let power go to her head.

[@-_minx_-6834]

Super off topic but I love how u did the vecna make up on ur arms and set up behind you

[@Eckister]

Absolute off-topic, but I find it strangely fascinating how Jamie Campbell Bower barely ever moves his jaw while speaking. 😲It is ... menacing, I suppose.

[@GeorgiaDow]

yes he has a great affect

[@brunopenteado4027]

Amazing work Georgia 😊 thank you

[@paigeajani]

i just love your voice its so calming! please make more of these 🤗

[@GeorgiaDow]

Thank you! Will do!

[@Gumpified25]

Seeing your take on this is really cool! I find it really interesting seeing a real therapists take on fictional characters! Awesome video I’d love to see more of it

[@Nightbane104]

I love this video. You are so right about Vecna but he is infected by the Flayer... so I'd say his emotions are more of the Flayer's then his.

[@Hayathebestgamergirl22]

Thank you so much for helping our mental health be healthy I have rlly bad disorders anxiety autism and I feel really guilty hope you will help stay updated!💞

[@GeorgiaDow]

keep healthy and well and remember you dont have to be anyone but you

[@GregorySnipe]

Great video and analysis!!

[@AgrippaKCsGunTime]

Great deconstruction of Vecna. Therapist should be a natural part of any film/tv/stage production team. Seriously, a therapist can help everyone involved understand the characters/motivations/and environmental impacts and how they work together. A director has to shake that all out and communicate it to the creative team but a therapist can help spot things that maybe even the seasoned story teller missed.

[@OrangeEnjoyer]

ngl, Eleven's CGI at 0:01 never fails to make me laugh lmao

[@kalenah.4248]

It’s interesting because it’s not CGI, they actually had another actor to play younger Eleven and switched back and forth from her, to the younger actor through different scenes! Not sure if you knew that or not but yeah her face does look funny, it’s like she’s smiling a bit.

[@bowi1332]

@@kalenah.4248 They added a CGI face over the young actress' face. Millie said that this was basically some kind of DeepFake.

[@kalenah.4248]

@@bowi1332 Ahh I see, I didn’t know that, I just knew that they had another younger actress play Eleven. That’s interesting! Thank you for the clarity!

[@bublegum4206]

I'm sorry but I love the cosplays,the voice ,the content and just everything thing about this channel

[@GeorgiaDow]

I am so happy you enjoy the channel thank you for letting me know

[@victorcharles27]

Awsome background Georgia 😍🥰

[@GeorgiaDow]

Thanks Victor = ))

[@joem1480]

I don't know if you have done it yet, but could you please do the characters from "The Boys"? I would loved to see videos of Homelander, Mr. Edgars, Hughie, Butcher, and Starlight in particular, but all of the major characters really.

[@yanis905]

Homelander’s analysis would require a very long series of videos, I think! Great idea here.

[@initiativeplaytherapy88]

One of the things you didn't mention that I think is relevant. The music playing is from The Watchmen. It's the theme that plays over Dr. Manhattan giving his monologue about his life. It's another character who feels lonely, isolated, and separate from humanity who also has a godlike power.

[@GeorgiaDow]

I didn’t notice that thanks !

[@germanyxx3511]

thank you for making this video 🙂

[@Halfassedtea]

“I can fix him” but it might actually work

[@scrumtimefuntime]

Now I know that if I want a guest to leave at the end of the party I just have to start talking about spiders until they excuse themselves.

[@TheSpoegefugl]

The soft cosplays are slowly getting less and less soft, and I am all here for it!

[@GeorgiaDow]

hehehe =) thanks

[@kathryngordon5115]

I am loving this Stranger Things, thing, have you thought about doing the Umbrella Academy? That would be fertile ground for a channel like yours I think.

[@phoenixlights2151]

Great video! But you forgot to mention he was also tortured by dr. Brenner which maybe damaged his psyche even more and felt like everyone was an enemy who hurt him. That everyone would do this to him if he doesn't come to action to remove his enemies out of the way. Also his own vibration is that of fear and anger so he searches the same vibration in his victims and let them become one of him so they stand stronger together in some sort so he doesn't have to be alone in that other dimension? 🤔

[@GeorgiaDow]

yes that as well

[@Waywardpaladin]

Like when he says that Dr. Brenner just wanted to control him. Wanted to control you? Or wanted you to be able to control yourself? Like when he tells his students to never use their powers while fueled by negative emotions.

[@AynenMakino]

A thing I wish more people would understand about striving for empowerment is that power is specific to a function. Jaime gains powers with the function of fighting against something he perceives as harmful. So his empowerment is specific to that function. Whenever he is utilizing that power, he's still interfacing with the hurt because that's all this power is designed to do. When your empowerment is based on a trauma, you'll bring up that trauma every time you use that power. So if you really want to be free of that trauma, you have to develop different skills/empowerment that aren't related to said trauma at all.

[@classicslover]

This was so intriguing, Georgia! I was surprised to realize it was over 21 minutes! I am familiar with an archaeologist who talked about "Mummy Unwrapping" parties. Colonialists would purchase these human remains to be the focal point of a well-dressed, eagerly attended social event. Once unwrapped, and their amusement value fulfilled...the remains would be set at the curb to be collected with the trash. A historical take on both "lesser-than" and "group think". Of course, LIVE minorities were/are not respected and were/are often targeted for extermination. There have even been extermination efforts against religions where the practitioners were mostly white. Immigrants of all types have been considered "lesser than". Cliques in public schools, fraternities in universities...neighborhood shunning. And "We don't talk about Bruno" aspects of families. Also, lust for power and position and fear of losing it or not getting it in the first place. Can't have power if no one is "lesser than".

[@classicslover]

AND SO LOVE THE COSPLAY INCLUDING THE SET DESIGN!!!! As always Georgia, I am in awe of your talents...

[@GeorgiaDow]

It is a horrible thing we do to others and justify with ridiculous reasons. We can do better we need to keep fighting to ensure we hold humanity to a higher standard. Instead of just power and greed

[@classicslover]

@@GeorgiaDow Yes...you are SO right! The group think DOES see more value in power and greed than love and caring and having compassion and making a difference. We'll do a Team-Up" like in Marvel, and fight back! ;)

[@kal2487]

Great stuff! I was speculating with a friend that it seems more like BPD/Narcissism versus APD. Usually when you meet sociopaths in real like they don't have much of a philosophy, except "I wanna get mine" and won't go very far to justify themselves when getting caught. What do you think?

[@ashleestanley6524]

Hey! I absolutely adore your content and I've learned so much from you! I have a video suggestion, but it's alright if you don't want to do it. I was wondering if you could react/analyze Crona And Medusa's relationship from Soul eater, and both of them just in general? If not, then again, that's completely okay! ^^

[@RichardStrong86]

Interestingly his backstory here is a direct reference to Dr Manhattan from Watchmen when he's talking about how he's grown tired of humanity. The music is either the same or heavily inspired by the same used in the movie adaptation (Pruit Igoe by Philip Glass), not to mention the clock motif. You can see the scene I'm referring to here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYCzo56YrtaebtU