Vector Validator, Ignore Open Vectors [Vectric Vcarve & Aspire] - Garrett Fromme

[@michaelvoit810]

So many little things to learn about all of this. But all the videos you have done I think I have watched them all a few times over. Thanks Garrett your help is greatly appreciated.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

michaelvoit810, you are so welcome my friend.

[@walterzeranski7289]

Thanks so much! I redrew the grid pattern for my waste board about 8 times to try and get it to generate a toolpath. Same error kept coming up. After watching this, one click and I was good to go! Garrett you are my hero because I was at wits end. Thank you brother!

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Walter, Right on brother! Happy to hear that your spoilboard is sorted!

[@ronjamison4346]

Very well done! I ran into the same types of problems after tracing a bitmap and had no idea how to fix the problems. Now I Know! Thanks, Garrett!

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Ron, you are so welcome brother. You are bitmap master after this one!

[@barbaber8131]

I learn so much every time I watch one of your videos.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Barb, you're one of my favorites here. What type of video would you like to see. Send me an email and I'll see if I can bump it into the list a little higher.

[@cncprogrammer3265]

I've been using Mastercam since the early 90's, starting with V6. This often was a common issue. Seeing what was or was not happening, revealed what and where the problem was and the course of action to take to solve it. When I began using Vectric, I couldn't do anything with it. Trying to diagnose a problem with Mastercam thinking and solutions did not help. Videos like yours and others helped me get through those problems step by step. They are very valuable teaching tools. Thanks for doing them.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hey CNC. Yes, it's one of those strange things that totally challenges us. Thank you for your compliment here.

[@benjaminhurmx]

How did KZbin read my mind and pop this video on my feed right at the time that I am having this issue. Thank You !!!

[@IDCWoodcraft]

benjaminhurmx, I'm glad the video came at the right moment for you! It's always interesting how algorithms seem to know what we need.

[@flashgordon1599]

Its amazing what you can achieved with a good teacher. Thanx Garrett.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

glashgordon1599, you're so welcome brother! Keep up the great work!

[@bopexplorer3663]

I had a similar issue with an engraving yesterday. Multiple duplicate vectors being ignored. ( line over line ). My quick fix was to click on a line, ( would show up as a darker pink ) , then I click it again ( whch would select it and not the 2nd line, then delete. No node editing / moving required. Cleaned it all up in just a few minutes :-) After this i have better understanding of the vector validator though . Cheers

[@IDCWoodcraft]

You found an easy path to solve the overlap.

[@JoeCorrado]

Hi Garrett, another great video that is very much appreciated. My son was stumped for a minute... about the length of his patience! Anyway- you are awesome!

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hey Joe. Glad he got it. and glad this one helped you.

[@rubertgates6064]

Excellent tutorial!! Thank you Garrett!

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Rubert, Your welcome. Happy to help my friend.

[@ollianddelphine]

This is a great explanation. I did not know about the method of cutting at the node. Very useful. Thanks

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hi Ollie. Vectric has so many little tricks up its sleeve. I'm trying to get them all out to you so you know.

[@rega3160]

I encountered this error today and I did not have a clue of what was going on. Very helpful video. Thank you Garrett!

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hey Reg. Vector validator is very helpful. Whenever you re trying to carve something and the software give you an error, always go to this tool.

[@rega3160]

@@IDCWoodcraft Thank you Garrett!

[@cncprogrammer3265]

Thanks for all your help in shortening my Vectric learning curve.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

You got it CNC!

[@msmith08311]

What an excellent tutorial. Very clearly explained and extremely helpful. Looked around for quite some time before finding a video that really explained this. Great job. Just subscribed! Keep them coming.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hi Mike. Thank you, and welcome to the community! Anything else like this you want to know, let me know.

[@grantpeckford2035]

Great video came just time for my project!

[@IDCWoodcraft]

What project are you working on where this willhelp?

[@grantpeckford2035]

It is the flower of life pattern, it has overlapping circles.

[@michael89lott]

Thanks once again for the help. Will be buying some bits this next week thanks again.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Michael, vectors can be a bit tricky so I'm glad this one helped. As for the bits, your support is so very much appreciated.

[@josephcorrado6454]

Thanks for helping Garrett! Definitely helps a lot! I worked on it for a long time joining vectors before I sent it to you there were way more, those there kept stumping me. Thanks for showing those tricks and how to manipulate those nodes- very informative! Looking forward to seeing more videos from you. Thanks again!- Joe (the younger of the two)

[@IDCWoodcraft]

You 2 Joes have me so confused...lol. So when I yell "Joe!", at least you'll both answer.

[@josephcorrado6454]

@@IDCWoodcraft LOL that is true

[@plinkermostly771]

Straight forward, very clear explanation -- deeply appreciated!

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hi Plinker. thank you.

[@jimhatch5873]

Fixing the section on the front fender would have been a good time to show using the bezier handles to re-establish the curve that got altered into a more angular corner (18:24). Regardless of the size of the part, it's worth fixing it right. 😊

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hey Jim. You're right and I thought about that after I loaded the video. Good catch.

[@andreww6738]

Thanks again Garrett, as usual great video. I'm glad you covered this issue, because it did confuse me a bit and at times downright annoyes me, but I guess there are worse things going on in life. Those nodes can be a tad tricky at times. Caution ... patience required. Thanks Andrew.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hey Andrew. Yeah, sometimes Vectric returns errors and we don;t know what to do with them. So glad this one helped you. It'll make a difference in the future for sure for you.

[@barbaber8131]

This was perfect! I just had this vine up in my program and couldn’t figure it out. Thank you so much Garrett 😃

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Barb, Happy to help!

[@ralphalameda1381]

great video found that there's a button called vector validator and what the different symbols mean and how to repair vector issues

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hello again Ralph. and another list of takeaways! Thank you.

[@michaeljameson1046]

Good one hey Garrett do you do any freelance type 3d models say a spoon with a bulldog in the spoon cheers

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hi Mike. I do not do freelance work. Sorry. However, I am working on developing such a resource. In the meantime, you can use a service call www.fiverr.com they are reasonable.

[@gerrysmith4493]

Helped me VERY much!! Thanks

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Gerry, you are so welcome my friend.

[@kadeemccormick329]

Garrett - Excellent video, best one yet and I estimate I've watched about 20 of yours so far. I have had this problem before using other software when I tried to create a pathway from an image and sadly without this validate fx I had to just abandon the project when I could not determine where the vector was corrupted. Almost ready to open a project. Ms. KaDee

[@IDCWoodcraft]

KaDee, I'm glad it was helpful for you my friend! Thanks for all the kind words! Happy cutting!

[@karlriley1314]

Awesome work.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Thanks Karl

[@colindavidson4044]

Brilliant and very useful 👍

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Collin, glad it was helpful brother!

[@davidwilson9988]

Thank you so much, great tutorial

[@IDCWoodcraft]

You're totally welcome David!

[@Michaelsmith1952]

Hello Garrett, I have a question but can't seem to find an e-mail for you. How do I contact you??

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hi Mike. Looks like you found it. I'll answer it tomorrow.

[@BarbSprayberry]

So what do you do to fix the zero-lengths spans?

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Barb, you can delete them manually with the node edit tool. I have a few videos that should help you out. Here's one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXaqqaGim9-ghLs Here is another: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIqzZod3adBqZqs That should get you up to speed!

[@HowToFromMeToYou]

Is there any other ways to tell if a node is on top of another node other than dragging it out?

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Steve, this video should help you brother. Here is a link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIqzZod3adBqZqs

[@nikopeters9660]

That is a very helpful video 👍

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Niko, glad to hear it my friend.

[@ronmisiura9169]

That was a really good video. Thank you sir.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

ronmisiura9169, you are so welcome my friend.

[@timcreagh585]

Yes that was extremely helpful thank you.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Excellent. How did it help?

[@timcreagh585]

@@IDCWoodcraft Explained how to get rid of two of those pesky Validation Errors. Only one left is Zero Length Spans. I struggled with how to remove those to the point I went on to another project!

[@IDCWoodcraft]

@@timcreagh585 sometimes you can still carve the project even with a vector validation error

[@timcreagh585]

@@IDCWoodcraft I have done that in the past and actually can't figure out why it said there was a problem as I couldn't see any issues other than the spindle drove about 200 miles when it only need to drive 85. Sometimes I wonder about that thing moving from one end to the other just to poke a dot in the word and then move back????

[@taqataqi9624]

thank you very detail and clear ..

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hi Taqa. You're welcome. :)

[@taqataqi9624]

@@IDCWoodcraft do you have any ide where do i start to selling my product because im new in this by the way im indonesian.. glad to know you.. im really appreciated for all of you done on youtube.. thanks again

[@IDCWoodcraft]

@@taqataqi9624 I will shoot a video about that in several days.

[@taqataqi9624]

@@IDCWoodcraft thank you garrett im really appreciated .. waiting for that..

[@barbaber8131]

Garrett I understand when you’re in “profile”, but I’m getting this problem in “pocket”. The same rules don’t seem to apply. If I try to join vectors, it connects it through a second part I don’t want it going through. Any suggestions?

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hi Barb. I know what your problem is but I can't explain it in text

[@barbaber8131]

@@IDCWoodcraft Ok. Sooooo…😕

[@brianharris3602]

Thanks for video

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Brian, you are so welcome my friend.

[@bobmonday925]

Ran into this problem today..thanks

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Bob, you're so welcome brother!

[@IH1940HAY]

I have VcarvePro 11 but I do not see the vector validation symbol, how can I get it displayed?

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Hi HH. If it is not showing up, you will need to contact Vectric. It should be there.

[@IH1940HAY]

@@IDCWoodcraft LOL, I had used my old 8.5 version of VCP, not the 11 version. Opened it with the 11 Ver and found it. And solved the problem. And yes I moved my version 8.5 into a folder off the desktop.

[@cire411]

Love your video's, but so frustrated. Been working on a piece for 3 days now, and thought I was done...49 intersections! I was able to solve the overlaps, thanks to your video, but I can't figure out the intersections. I found your "JD Crafts" video, and it's a similar issue, but it seems that was unresolved as well. The points are merely connecting with lines at various locations, but no matter what I try; "join open", "join/close", "curve fit", "fillet", redraw the lines or curves, nothing seems to work. Any feedback would be helpful as I'm under a time crunch to complete.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

crztrn1, glad to hear you liked it!

[@michaeljameson1046]

cheers thanks

[@IDCWoodcraft]

you got it my friend!

[@Mtbeaver9]

When I try to calculate toolpath it tells me I have duplicate toolpaths and will ignore them. It calculates but makes a ton of air cuts and takes forever to run. How do I find the duplicate paths?

[@IDCWoodcraft]

MtBeaver, try to look at your list of toolpaths for duplicates brother! Either that or you might have issues with your z zero when you run your project!

[@josephcorrado6454]

also Jeep Nation!

[@IDCWoodcraft]

JEEEP NATION...yes!!!!

[@hanspijpers2100]

Why not use : right click select all open vectors , and then join vectors to join all or nearly all of the open vectors ? (Edit Options, first column last item ) That's way faster then fixing them one by one. Kind regards Hans

[@IDCWoodcraft]

hansspijpers, that is a great way to do it brother! If that works better for you then by all means go for it.

[@powerpc6037]

The error message went away at the end because you chose the profile toolpath to run ON the lines, while the original error message popped up when you tried to run the profile toolpath outside the line. You also ran that same toolpath before you started fixing everything and it didn't give the error, so it doesn't have anything to do with faulty vectors overlapping or intersecting. If you simply draw 2 lines, where one runs horizontal and the other runs vertical and they intersect, you still can run both using a profile toolpath on the lines and it will mill perfectly. I guess everything you did didn't fix that issue because that error informs you that there are open vectors in the design that it cannot run using a profile toolpath outside the lines. An open vector doesn't have an outside or inside, so you cannot run the profile toolpath on the outside with everything selected. When you just ran it anyways, only the outline of the jeep and wheels were calculated as those were closed vectors which do have an outside and inside and will run fine using such a toolpath. All the details in the jeep are designed with open vectors and cannot be calculated using a profile toolpath outside the line. So the issue persists, even after fixing everything using the vector validator. You could select the wheels and jeep outline and run a profile toolpath outside the lines, then select all the details and run another profile toolpath ON the lines.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

PowerPC603 Vaelen, you bring up a lot of great points about the open vectors! Thanks for the tips my friend!

[@powerpc6037]

​@@IDCWoodcraft Just got on my pc to try some stuff myself to confirm my own theory. Seems Aspire 10.5 (I got a trial version) does calculate a profile toolpath on the outside or inside of a straight line and arcs that are open vectors without any errors. I'm a beginner myself and assumed doing a profile cut on the outside/inside of an open vector wouldn't work but it does. It seems my above assumption is not entirely correct. But I'm still wondering why you couldn't get the details to show up when doing those outside profile toolpaths on them, especially on vectors that didn't have errors according to the vector validator. I also created a zigzap polyline that intersects itself 5 times and ran an outside profile toolpath. Vector validator says I got 5 intersections but calculating the toolpath gives no errors, just an unexpected result as not the entire line has been cut out.

[@IDCWoodcraft]

You cannot run a profile tool path on an open vector unless you are on the line. If you create clothes vectors across each other, you will get validation errors.

[@smokeebeefpv]

Victor the Validator

[@IDCWoodcraft]

Smokeebee, haha good one brother.