Vegeta Could Always Use Super Saiyan 3

[@superskullmaster]

Vegeta not using SSJ3 in Super can be summed up as the same reason he didn’t want to use Instant Transmission after the Moro Arc. It’s Goku chasing, he didn’t want that. Same reason he got SSG on his own(not ritual).

[@liamvisionary]

That makes no sense. Because with that same logic he wouldn’t have used it in Daima. Also Goku got god form and SSB before Vegeta - heck every transformation - before Vegeta. And yet he still chased after every one except ultra instinct, and that’s only because Ultra Instinct wasn’t his style, which is why he learned Ultra Ego.

[@Tybear-qz4bx]

​@liamvisionary9608 stop the cap about ssb.

[@schwa2585]

Nice try, but the reality is that no one wants to animate or even draw the ssj3 mane. That's why Goku uses it rarely and Vegetas version is based on an older design with shorter and more static hair.

[@vixenxia2475]

​@@liamvisionary Vegeta learned blue before goku in the manga. And they discovered it at the same time in the anime.

[@vixenxia2475]

​@@schwa2585 To be fair. Vegeta quite literally does say in super ssj3 is pointless. So technically he could have always just been able to do it. Just like grade 3 vs cell. He refused to use it even tho he lost in the end.

[@aricruz_]

We might hear more to it later in Daima Maybe vegeta will explain afterwards to Goku

[@WIZZARD2114]

My theory is he learned how to tap in to that power in super saiyan 2 so he doesn’t see that transformation as necessary as ss2 is the perfect super saiyan form and he added the power of 3 to 2 that’s why he doesn’t use it. He can go go blue and ultra ego I highly doubt he would’ve never been able to go ssj3 before we got confirmation he could

[@patrickfabsich2692]

He explain it that way to Trunks. I dont need ssj3! His angry ssj 2 vs beerus was stronger then goku as ssj3 against beerus...

[@SuperbMoves]

Vegeta had to train in the time chamber right after buu saga to reach SSJ3 there would literally be no other way he was able to reach it this soon.

[@station-7]

He didn’t use SSJ3 in DBS because the creators hadn’t decided that Vegeta can use for form yet.

[@lalanne5360]

exactly lol if he had ss3 he would have most definitely used it against berus when he slapped bulma

[@orichic51]

Can't believe no one else is saying this and instead coming up with "Canon" theories lol. Toriyama has always been all over the place with his writing.

[@MBMSAM]

@@lalanne5360He wouldn’t use SS3 because it has a draw back clause like when he told trunks why he wouldn’t use SS grade 3

[@Padellove338]

Lol true. In the first episode they say Kibito and Supreme Kai unfuse because of Boo. Except they already said on Super it was because of Namek DBs. And they also said the reason Vegito unfused was because they were mortals, not because of Boo. Continuity is all over the place, but people forget this.

[@creativename2567]

​@@orichic51Everyone is saying that, in every single ss3 vegeta post or video, there will always be someone saying that.

[@andrewsimon713]

I’m sure Vegeta as a tactical fighter didn’t see the need to go ssj3 to drain his energy. He mentioned about trunks buff form in super as being inefficient

[@KrazyArrows]

He used it during the dragon ball heroes act series but it’s canon now so boom. After daima arc is over, they can weave this form in the next arc

[@theragingninja9858]

Daima is canon to daima, super isn’t related to it.

[@vixenxia2475]

​@@theragingninja9858 Its canon to super. Ppl are holding on to things like shin and kai defusing but missed several things in super. They can just refuse again as a gag. When unfusing with the db in super Shin weirdly says "we unfused again." Also Vegeta literally says to trunks he didn't need or like ssj3. So really nothing daima has done has actually conflicted super. Especially when a reason for ssj3 was mentioned. And the kais can fuse again. This wouldn't be the first time he refused to usee something he totally can because he dislikes it. Vegeta didn't use grade 3 against perfect Cell because he deems the form pointless. Vegeta doesn't use instant transmission after the first time learning it because its gokus thing and he refuses to be like goku.

[@kalikels]

REASONS WHY VEGETA HAD SUPER SAIYAN 3 ALL ALONG 1. Vegeta does not use forms that reduces his stamina. In the fight with second form cell Vegeta could have went to ultra super Saiyan like trunks but chose not to because of the energy drawback. Trunks realize this and even Cell, and Goku knew about this. 2. Whenever Vegeta sees a form that Goku gets he gets it as well. With the exception of ultra instinct which is just not Vegeta style, Vegeta has gotten every form that Goku has. 3. You cannot tell me if GT is canon Vegeta was unable to become ss3 in that 5 year time frame. Did you see how much Vegeta complained about not becoming a super Saiyan? Did you see how much he complained about Gohan and Goku surpassing him at super Saiyan 2? What makes you think that if he didn't have super Saiyan 3 he will be quiet about it!? 4. Also in dragon Ball GT Vegeta clearly seem to favor super Saiyan 2 and he nevered mentioned not being able to become super Saiyan 3. 5. In dragon Ball super when trunks ask Vegeta to go super Saiyan 3 he just laughs at it and goes super Saiyan blue. I believe he was laughing at the drawbacks and also laughing at the fact that he has a higher form and paired with that was trunks using ultra super Saiyan 2 and Vegeta getting pissed off about him using that stamina losing bulky form. 6. As an example Vegeta's son Trunks in dragon Ball super has the power of super Saiyan 3 as a super Saiyan 2. Just like Battle of gods Vegeta has the power of super Saiyan 3 in his super Saiyan 2. Maybe it's easier for Vegeta's family line to favor super Saiyan 2 over super Saiyan 3. Neither one of them ever in Canon goes beyond that even though they have the power to generate it. Fyi: Vegeta super Saiyan 3 hair is perfect the way it is. Every Super Saiyan hairstyle is different. Every Super Saiyan 2 hairstyle is different. The 3 Super Saiyan 4's that we seen GT all were even Goku has full power Super Saiyan blue and Vegeta has his own special form of Super Saiyan blue. Gotenks was similar to Goku just because of Goten so it makes sense that their hair will be the same.

[@SoraBell]

No, the reason is because it’s a retcon. Super was written with the assumption that he didn’t have it.

[@anchorsaway9500]

Makes that time he mocked the form when sparring with Trunks more ironic cause now it’s not a matter of him not carting to get it but viewing it as useless

[@christiancinnabars1402]

For the people pointing out the SSJ2 rage moment in Super: Remember that Toriyama considers both SSJ2 and SSJ3 as simply _powered up versions of SSJ1_ (stated in a Saikyo Jump interview, June 2014). Which fits in with SSJ2 previously being called "SSJ grade 5" in pre-Buu Saga guidebooks. Additionally, it is directly shown, at least in the manga, that you can increase SSJ2's multiplier to match or even surpass SSJ3's, with Trunks keeping up in the manga with SSJ3 Goku while only in SSJ2, even though they were mostly equal base-to-base. So the best conclusion, other than "obviously they just never thought of SSJ3 Vegeta beforehand," is that Vegeta was working on upping SSJ2's power multiplier rather than working on SSJ3's stamina issue like Goku was, and thus defaulted to SSJ2. Kind of a mirror to how Vegeta focused on the upping the power of SSJ and attained SSJ grade 2 in the Cell Saga, while Goku focused on maintaining the form's stamina and attained SSJ grade 4.

[@dramantraoreabdul2762]

The last episode of Dragon Ball DAIMA, the new anime of the franchise created by Akira Toriyama, ended with a bang. The series, which stars Goku and his friends who have returned to the verse

[@WaviiiSpark]

Also since Daima was after the kid buu fight and before battle of Gods vegeta had to power up even more to defeat his opponent because his opponent got a power boost from its creator. So he had to push pass his limits.

[@trigger4017]

Like Goku said it uses a lot of energy and it’s not easy to sustain in a prolonged fight

[@Gudsur]

That's common sense. That's why he never used Ascended SSJ again. That's why Trunks never used it again either. Why would he use a useless form?

[@genarftheunfuni5227]

I find it hard to believe because of one singular moment in Super: Beerus slapping Bulma in Battle of Gods. He was literally blinded by rage, and threw himself at Beerus, not caring that he already lost the moment he did that. It is impossible to believe that he stopped for a moment to consider the energy draining considering the situation. He acted guided by his guts, not by his thoughts.

[@eunit08]

That's a really good counter argument.

[@msbkaioken136]

​@@eunit08This is not a good counter-argument. Even remotely it's a terrible talking point that people need a drop because of the simple fact of the matter of everything. Contradicts, you get over yourself and stop thinking that this is a good argument. Vegeta clearly feels more comfortable using a form he deems as actually useful simple as stop over thinking things like you have something to say.

[@msbkaioken136]

​@@eunit08Not even remotely.

[@eunit08]

@@msbkaioken136 u must be a Vegeta die hard fan to come at me like that. Guess u dont think he was angry enough after seeing his wife get bitchslapped. Am I correct?

[@notforyou2893]

@@msbkaioken136 What ? SS3 is far stronger than SS2 everyone know that ! Goku SS3 could fight evenly with Kid Buu while Vegita SS2 was losing badly here ! Sure the energy consummtion is a thing but so what ? It's not like Goku was drained after spending 3 minutes in that form. He fought Kid Buu for Several minutes before being exhausted ! Vegita couldn't even hang in here against Kid Buu for 40 seconds in SS2. SS3 isn't like SS1 grade 3 (Trunk vs perfect cell) which decrease speed for more power. Drop the nonsense this is a recton if Vegita could use SS3 in DBS he would have done it . Vegita lost in like 20 seconds against Beerus ! In daima Vegita is flexing the form for more than 5 minutes .

[@Knobslobber11]

Idk why ppl are questioning this. It was the same reason he never used super saiyan God till DBS Broly he already knew ssj blue which was a stronger transformation

[@ultraisaiah]

As a wise man once said, “Super Saiyan 3 kinda sucks!” Honestly if anything him even bothering to get it while in character makes him look kinda dumb because he’s seen its drawbacks firsthand but then again he might’ve only got it to prove to himself he could lmfao

[@KingIsaacGlitch47]

Nice design tho

[@ultraisaiah]

@ absolutely

[@Kenshinbtt]

Judging by the episode he seems to have better control over it than goku

[@msbkaioken136]

Seeing something is not the same as experiencing it, not even remotely of course, it makes sense that he would get it. He would probably want to see first-hand if he could improve upon it. And clearly you can't they even show it's drawbacks still at the end of super. So clearly it's something you can't get rid of.

[@notforyou2893]

What are you talking about ? SS3 isn't like SS1 grade 3 (Trunk vs Perfect Cell). People talk about energy cost but forget Goku was fighting Kid Buu for like 10 minutes Before he ran out of juice ! Vegita in SS2 couldn't even hang against Kid Buu for 1 minutes before being trashed around ! What is more in Daima Vegita is flexing the form for 5 minutes and doesn't look that tired afterward. SS3 is just better than SS2 in every way . Heck when we saw Goku SS3 lose against Beerus we all knew Vegita wasn't going to put Beerus throught any kind of pain !

[@joshuawilliams7365]

Trunks tells vegeta to use his super sayain 3 like goku, seems upset so turns blue. I don’t think he knew how to do it in the buu arch

[@abaddon31500]

i hate that they gave him ssj3. my headcannon was that ssj3 could only be obtained by people who had broke the limits of mortal life. Goku optioned it while dead, Gotenks is literally 2 lives combined into 1

[@hotnappa2853]

Small problem he wouldve used it against beerus in bog if he had it

[@Champizard]

@@hotnappa2853 eh, that's the only catch. The only reasoning there would be he just preferred SS2, but that's a whole other rabbit whole that'd have to be explored separately

[@Zakurai-m1z]

@@Champizard but that dont make much sense because we know we are gonna see him use ss3 in Daima a lot more till its end. and if vegeta could always use the form then in BOG he would have used it no matter what. goku too knew the drawbacks but he did used ss3 so vegeta should have use it coz it is a good multiplier overall. i think we can see series shift in new continuity.

[@Champizard]

@@Zakurai-m1z Daima is canon to Super. This is just one of those small retcons where you're gonna have to accept a few small things imo

[@Zakurai-m1z]

@@Champizard i mean as for now sure. but if a new form arrive(which will most probably) it will start to contradict DBS heavily but yes lets see.

[@leoc8962]

Lol he surpass ssj3 while fighting beerus

[@brentpeterson918]

Considering that Goku did it he may have been selfishly deeming it a Goku thing and said thought ill keep it in my back pocket for cases like the later

[@seasley21]

If that was the case, why didn't Vegeta power up to ssj 3 after beers slapped Bulma.

[@aaronbryant8136]

It really doesn't make sense saying the ss3 isn't good enough but a so called stronger form is easier to use. Unless they are saying ss3 is actually stronger that's why they can't hold the form.

[@Glambon]

Everyone says that it makes it canon, but when did they say that daima is canon ?

[@malachigv]

it was implied due to Akira Toriyama writing it. Doesn't necessarily confirm it though, so eh

[@Glambon]

@malachigv yeah exactly 🤣 nobody and nothing confirmed this was canon

[@tvhead5010]

I personally think vegeta getting super Saiyan 3 doesn't make f****** sense I always have the form came about through weird circumstances for example Goku got super Saiyan 3 when he was dead because it takes too much physical strain on the body to attend the forum and then the fusions can do it because their Fusion they're more than one body so each body takes half the strain and the reason my Goku kept being able to do it after he came back to life is because once you attain it it's easier to control the strain

[@0hsoaj513]

This doesn’t make sense to why vegeta can’t do it because gotenks achieved the form in no time flat.

[@tvhead5010]

@@0hsoaj513so the reason why it doesn't make sense for vegeta to have it is very obvious one reason why gotenks has the transformation is because there a fusion and also they were in the time chamber which means the time with them getting that to that Fusion was actually longer than we think it was I always thought the whole thing was it's too much strain on a body the reason why Goku could do it because he was dead And the reason why gotenks could do it it's because they refused so the strain on the body was basically halved

[@msbkaioken136]

​@@tvhead5010You're literally crying about it, not making sense. Because your assumption turned out to be wrong. How unbelievably childish. Also, you're making a lot of excuses and doing a lot of mental gymnastics. In order to make your ridiculous point, make any remote sense.

[@ryantudor9230]

But in the fight with Beerus, Goku had to go ss3, so why didn't Vageta when he had to fight Beerus. Neither Goku or Vageta had ssgod at that point.

[@davidjuarez1834]

Maybe in the coming episodes, vegeta will explain his reason for not using the form.

[@DonEnzone]

He's gonna explain why he didn't use it in the future Super episodes? He didn't have it during the Buu arc.

[@davidjuarez1834]

@DonEnzone we'll just have to wait and see

[@terrinker6925]

Веджета буквально говнил транксу что у него нет этой формы так как она ему не нужна ведь он ее превзошел

[@VegetaBlack1993]

Bruh yall forgetting that vegeta literally said he can use 3 in super and said he just doesn't

[@Champizard]

@VegetaBlack1993 this was never once stated lmao

[@MLGmaster-gk9oz]

It just doesn’t make sense cause out of a fit of rage he would have used it against beerus he just didn’t have it and when he obtained god it it was then useless to learn it

[@zackrosado3749]

Smooth

[@jacket8818]

The real answer: toriyama didn’t care

[@FoxHound_330]

Then why didn’t he use it against Beerus when everything was a stake? Just simply writing plot hole

[@Blaccsparrow]

Pretty sure it's cause it's written that way

[@jtlbb2]

I never understood the fan obsession with Vegeta and SSJ3 especially in Super. Even forgetting the in universe reasons why Vegeta never used anything higher than SSJ2, why in the world would he use it once he got SSJB?

[@notforyou2893]

The problem is that we never saw Vegita use SS3 before he got the god and blue form. Like when Beerus slapped Bulma Vegita was a SS2 but now we know he had SS3 but just didn't use it ? Why ? Energy cost ? In Daima Vegita was flexing SS3 for 5 minutes and wasn't tired after that . Heck Goku was using SS3 against Kid Buu for a whole 10 minutes . Vegita lost in like 20 seconds against Beerus ! Why not just go SS3 ?

[@jtlbb2]

@ I suppose the in-universe answer is because during the time between DAIMA and super, Vegeta thought of SSJ3 as an inefficient form. Kind of like how he never used SSJ grade 3 against Cell even though we know he could’ve. So SSJ2 being the overall better form than 3, Vegeta is focused on that. And maybe SSJ2 actually has more potential than 3 as we see with Trunks pushing his SSJ2 to a level that rivals SSJB/R.

[@notforyou2893]

@@jtlbb2 Except it doesn't make sense ! Saiyan transformation all give the same boost : SS1 = 50 times more powerful SS2 = 100 times more powerful SS3 = 400 times more powerful Unless someone base form is stronger there is no way for a SS2 to equal a SS3 ! At that point what would even be the point of more powerful transformation like god and blue ? Just stay SS2 and make that form stronger than anything else ! SS1 grade 3 trade speed for more power ! SS3 is just an overall upgrade to SS2 like SS2 is an upgrade to SS1 ! Some people talk about stamina issue and then forget Goku was fighting in SS3 for like 10 minutes against Kid Buu ! In daima Vegita was flexing SS3 for 5 minutes and wasn't tired after that ! What is worse is that in both example Vegita SS2 was completely outclassed by his opponent ! Against Kid Buu Vegita SS2 was being ragdolled and against Tamagami N°2 Vegita SS2 wasn't enough ! In both Case SS3 was clearly the best Option no question asked ! So what change here ?

[@jtlbb2]

@ Trunks SSJ2 rage form is stronger than SSJ3. Doesn’t matter if it makes sense, that’s the way the writers decided it.

[@0hsoaj513]

It’s an easy answer tbh. Bad writing.

[@wdadwdwdwadw8604]

its really not tho lol, if you go back to read DBS Manga its directly stated that SSJ2 is able to reach SSJ3 levels of power so there is no reason to ever use SSj3 go re-read the fight with Goku vs Trunks. this is why the Daima showed SSj3 because it does not retcon nor contradict DBS it actually makes more sense now than ever, Vegeta likely dropped SSJ3 by the time DBS came along and manage to reach the x400 multiplier with just his SSJ2 andwithout any side effects/energy drain he could even surpass SSj3 levels of power with Rage like he did against Beerus.

[@infosuge]

@@wdadwdwdwadw8604I don’t rember the DBZ manga stating that a mastered 2 was more powerful than 3. Goku would have beat Majin Buu in ssj3 but couldn’t hold the form for a long fight due to being deceased and Buu had ultimate stamina being able to regenerate. Mastered ssj2 couldn’t and didn’t beat Buu it required a spirt bomb also it’s safe to assume a mastered full power ssj3 is more powerful. Vegeta learnt it after Buu defeat. The answer is fan service and bad writing. We should have seen vegeta ssj3 before god forms but super is a bit of a mess so for me Diama is actually cannon.

[@nikoladujmovic847]

Well it's easy. Gotenks did it easily because he was shitloads stronger than Goku. And Vegeta after seeing the transformation from Goku, got stronger after Buu arc and obtained it. You guys treat SSj3 like it's hard transformation when in reality it's childs play once you have the power to make the transformation.

[@stevensmith6445]

He already said why he didnt use it. How would he know unless he tried? 💁🏾

[@Champizard]

@@stevensmith6445 Vegeta has never once said "This is why I don't use SS3"

[@stevensmith6445]

@Champizard He literally said "It's a waste of energy"

[@Champizard]

@stevensmith6445 okay. Please reference the episode/chapter where Vegeta says "I don't use ss3 cause it's a waste of energy"

[@stevensmith6445]

@Champizard It was on Super. I just watched it about 2 weeks ago, but I don't remember the episode number. I also don't care what one person thinks. You can do your own research! 😂

[@Champizard]

@stevensmith6445 Vegeta never says that, though. You're spreading misinformation, lol.

[@dimethedude]

I don’t see how this isn’t obvious If he can use super sayian god it’s obvious he’s enough power to master super sayian 3 I just don’t like how his hair isn’t ass long as goku’s

[@generalninja88]

Spoilers man.... it's not even been a day since the episode came out and I haven't had a chance to watch it

[@iCantPickaNamej]

Don't mix super with daima please. Super is trash. Daima is actually great. Ssj 3 takes alot of energy because goku hasn't had much time to perfect it. He had just learned it before coming to earth for his 1 day visit. It's reasonable to assume goku will eventually stabilize it.

[@goodguycwyzz4768]

Daima is cannon?

[@mushin8934]

Why vegeta why i want they create vegeta own form.

[@eminenthero3185]

The anime never says, shows or implies that Vegeta could always go SSJ3. Thats something fans make up. Theres no im show evidence proving hes always had the ability as itll cause too many holes. Its simple. Based on what the show has shown, told us and implied. He couldnt at the time. Until we are told otherwise. He just now gained the ability.

[@0hsoaj513]

So why didn’t he use it against beerus?

[@wdadwdwdwadw8604]

why would he, when he fought beerus his SSj2 already surpassed SSj3, using SSj3 would be detrimental due to its stress and low energy control meaning SSj2 has higher ceiling than SSj3 same way SSj1 has higher ceiling than Grade 2 and Grade 3 SSJ Trunks also showed that he could also reach x400 multiplier with SSj2 in his skirmish fight with Goku in DBS Manga with direct statements of SSj2 reaching the same level as SSJ3

[@Jim-rs1hn]

That's still a 4x buff using that logic why wouldn't Vegeta or Goku gets use this buff vs Kidd Buu? Also Goku himself defeated trunks as well. So ssj2 =ssj3 doesn't make much sense. It's a retcon, idk why people even are trying to add this in super because it doesn't make sense. ​@@wdadwdwdwadw8604

[@Blue-ze1eo]

In other words. You don't know

[@R055LE]

The answer is pretty obvious. Daima is not part of the official canon. Or super isn't, but that seems unlikely.

[@An0therBurner94]

Let's be honest, Dragon Ball canon is nebulous once we get past the Buu Saga

[@R055LE]

@PolarityOfNeoSoulCity that's basically the point. Asking why Vegeta didn't bother using SSJ3 in Super is like asking why he didn't use SSJ Blue in GT.

[@An0therBurner94]

@@R055LE Yeah, it's like asking why Frieza didn't use Black Frieza in Super 17's Saga

[@msbkaioken136]

Things are only this simple if you're not using your brain they're both canon obviously so at that.

[@R055LE]

@msbkaioken136 yeah people thought GT was canon at first too so don't worry, you're not that stupid

[@JohnIvory713]

And the “my Bulma” moment when he raged out and attacked Beerus?

[@HimanshuYadav-d3q5v]

My theory is that he knew if he used ssj3 he would tap out very fast and ss2 was already mastered and could last linger that's why he used it

[@classicgamerc5402]

What do you mean last longer. The powered up super Saiyan 2 state he used in the bog movie was just for a short time, so wouldn't it have been a better decision to put all his energy into swiftly defeating lord beerus with all his strength. Plus at the end of the bog movie Vegeta clearly states "in that great moment I surpassed you kakarot" what did he mean by that if he also had Super Saiyan 3???

[@HimanshuYadav-d3q5v]

Many theories say that he evolved his ssj2 to be better than ssj3, he probably started evolving his ssj2 after he experienced himself that ssj3 in not worth it and his ssj2 by the time of battle of gods became stronger than ssj3 hence he used ssj2 not 3. But still thus is just a theory.

[@classicgamerc5402]

@@HimanshuYadav-d3q5v exactly dude, it is a theory.The fact of the matter is that this is a plot hole plus Vegeta's powered up super Saiyan 2 was only stronger for a really short period, normally super Saiyan 3 is stronger than super Saiyan 2

[@HimanshuYadav-d3q5v]

But we still Ned to wait for daima to end until we get an awnser Daima is only 20 episodes and 12 of them are out

[@wdadwdwdwadw8604]

Trunks using SSj2 to output SSj3 level of power is direct confirmation in DBS Manga that SSj3 was dropped due to its disadvantages why use SSj3 when SSj2 could be trained to have x400 multiplier without any drawbacks.

[@theragingninja9858]

No shit

[@LilGrimey5Star]

SS3 is garbage

[@Eagles1990]

Super sucks. That’s why

[@wdadwdwdwadw8604]

is not tho, if you read the manga we know the reason why SSJ3 was dropped. SSJ2 has the potential to reach the x400 multiplier that SSj3 has as stated by Trunks and directly shown by Trunks. Vegeta was also able to surpass SSJ3 multiplier when eh fougth Beerus, so why would he ever use it again when SSJ2 > SSJ3.

[@LDGFREEtheNET]

bs video. click bait

[@WiredTightGaming]

Actually, Vegeta did transform in the new episode today. This is real 😅.

[@yugei6554]

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