Using the Hole Tool - Using the Far Cry 5 Map Editor

[@Smitteys86]

Yo, just stumbled upon this playlist of tutorials. Thanks so much for this stuff, it's channels like that keep communities like this afloat.

[@johnlake4448]

Seen most of your tutorials. Learning a lot. Gracias!

[@Motleyguts]

hole tool at 9:20 Honestly, I'd edit out or redo the video. You come off a bit defensive. I've never seen anyone take up 9 minutes of their viewer's time to talk about youtube drama or comment trolls when the video title clearly sets the expectation. Just my 2 cents. Looking forward to the next one.

[@VegetarianZombie]

Thanks for the feedback. I was defensive because a lot of people disagreed with my approach in the last video. I was also defensive because I expect a lot of pushback. That's where that is coming from and I don't feel the need to address it again. Again, thanks for your comment!

[@nicksomma]

could have made it into a whole other video man

[@VegetarianZombie]

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[@nicksomma]

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[@VegetarianZombie]

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[@takoshihitsamaru4675]

Thanks to these videos I've begun building my first bunker map, although the prefabs are a pain at times (no corner pieces for the Silo bunker set, some link terribly etc), it's coming together slowly, but the entrance is awesome that's for sure. Jacob's bunker really inspired me.

[@16BitNitWit]

Just wanted to say thanks for the vids. I am just starting with the map maker and for me they have helped a bunch!

[@CarpeNoctem135]

That’s my favorite thing about the map editor, it takes time to learn the tools and how to properly use them, and the only way to get good with it is to screw around and build off the wall stuff until you have enough know how to put together a beautiful map

[@omarmartinez7277]

On the whole "your doing it wrong" aspect.... To hell with those trolls. I am a veteran halo forger. And I see this as a form of art. You can't tell an artist " your doing it wrong"... Smh. Keep doing what your doing, I'm learning a bunch. I now have fc5 and am going to beat the story mode first b4 I start building. And guess what... Lol.... Some might say, I'm doing it wrong... Fuk-em.. Lol...✌

[@VegetarianZombie]

LOL - thanks man - I do appreciate it. I love the map making for this game and definitely post your maps here when you make some. I'd love to check them out!

[@MetalGamer666]

Art teachers would disagree. Some basic things when it comes to art you have to learn. Like... if you are a musician you have to learn music theory first, before you start playing the piano. Or are you saying no one can tell someone that are singing out of tune that they are doing it wrong?

[@omarmartinez7277]

Metal Gamer lol, no... I have seen crap maps in forge... But, artistic expression can never be thought... My experience on halo, had me help make crap maps shine, without taking away from the original forger.

[@omarmartinez7277]

VegetarianZombie are the custom maps cross platform?

[@MetalGamer666]

Maps are only cross platform if they are 'featured' by Ubisoft. And I think it's important to get to know all the tools properly before you can focus on artistic expression.

[@MadMatt41]

Hey Veg, Nice vid. Keen to check out the rest of your tutorials. Subscribed and gave that Notification bell a 'ding' and clicked that Like button for this video to.

[@stuartfacy3064]

On point! Enough said bro, keep up the good work!! 👌🎮👌

[@j.barnard2669]

Keep going with your vids, Vegetarian! Just ignore the negative tools that take up planet/comment space. Love ya. ;)

[@Firefox-hc3hy]

thank you merry Christmas

[@BrentonThrasher]

When I made a hole in the ground in the map editor earlier it said I couldn't play the map because my bunker and all the objects in it are under the ground, but why tho?

[@KR0T1U5JUSTINTRESBACK]

Did you ever figure out how to fix that other than putting the objects above ground ? Lol

[@JordanScottMills]

*YOU FIGURED IT OUT MY GUY GOOD JOB!!*

[@markusbrunner5706]

yeah i agreed with every thing this guy says. It really depends on the map your build were and whats around you you could be in a tight space with less memory so you gotta be creative with it. far cry arcade website says ive spent 5d 7h 30mn just editing my 5 maps. i always make sure every thing works tho my zip lines grapple ramps whatever and im still learning new stuff.

[@Project--vc5em]

Here take my like dude, awsome tip !

[@KR0T1U5JUSTINTRESBACK]

I just spent 3 + days making this cave underground with massive rooms opening up. Its beautiful but cant verify it because 'objects are underground' is that because it's an assault map should I change it to something else?

[@MetalGamer666]

How do you completely remove vegetation (grass) from the terrain?

[@MetalGamer666]

I think I found out. With the vegetation 'brush' selected, hold down ctrl+left click, and it will erase the vegetation.

[@felixwilliams9550]

Is it possible for NPC to use cars ??

[@cammando2057]

What are some good ways to "close off" a map? As in making sure the player doesn't see the unedited areas outside the playable zone.

[@Saitaron]

You can set map boundaries that will respawn the person if they spend too much time outside of them. They are invisible to the player, but will provide a warning when crossed before respawning. An alternative that can be pretty fun is designing the terrain so it's too steep to climb- put little mountains around your playable area. Cliffs also work. Just make sure to playtest if you do that, because there may be a hole in your defenses. The best option is usually a combination of the two- make terrain barriers and reinforce them with map boundaries that follow them.

[@cammando2057]

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I know about the map boundary. My issue is more about the visuals. To give an example, I did a map that used cliff objects in conjunction with the boundary to keep players from wandering off. I originally was going to put the player spawn up high on one of the cliffs, and have them rappel down the cliff side Rainbow Six style. I was able to block off any "escape routes", for lack of a better word, but I couldn't find a way to prevent them from seeing the unedited flat areas.

[@octodinosaur2419]

Helpful as always thanks!

[@MrRollie51]

Sorry about that mean critics it's all good! I had not discovered the cave tools As far as the bunkers go that's really cool thanks a lot! FYI you don't have to defend yourself against anybody else. Just do your best that's all that is required here Great Video. Thanks! PS I learned something today!

[@VegetarianZombie]

Thanks man - I really appreciate it.

[@nickwhalen8006]

Great vid Veg!

[@VegetarianZombie]

Thanks Backwoods! How've you been?

[@nickwhalen8006]

VegetarianZombie oh you know working to enjoy a life that I don't have because I'm working lol

[@jonnyA0112]

Say I got a cluster of platforms together. Is there a way for me to select the whole group and duplicate it?

[@BoofPack69]

Hold shift while selecting the objects

[@jonnyA0112]

Blarf I guess I should've mentioned I'm on ps4

[@thugTaters]

There's 2 ways to do it, while the hole tool is easier and faster the object way is also an option. I think that was an easier explanation. But you did get your point across. Either way good video.

[@takoshihitsamaru4675]

Thug Taters Dude, the first video was done that way, and everyone whinged like a baby about the 'Hole' tool.

[@doge_snipes361]

Thanks for uploading this

[@theindiediary5950]

Great vid my man. You can cap the framerate in options I believe.

[@luismi8888]

How can I put a vehicle?

[@dreamreaper3069]

Its a tab in gameplay objects

[@prophetcitrus9638]

I know most likely you wont take video suggestions from the comments but would there be any way to make a mushroom cloud in the editor? I know there's a way but what ever you make actually looks good.

[@SPYmaps]

I did read somewere in a comment that Ai doesn't work, or doesn't work at least well when they are placed under ground. So when a bunker is placed under ground with this hole tool then they should work well. And should the bunker be above ground but look as if if was below by lowering ground and add rocks for instance so it looks like it is below ground then the AI works fine as we know. I can only test this by uploading a testmap to Arcade which is something i don't want. So, does someone know something about this or do you maybe VegetarianZombie? Hope someone does, greetings, Leon

[@milesninja]

Does anybody know how to make enemy AI use cars and planes?

[@Saitaron]

Any idea how to make the music shift during combat? One of the featured maps (The Last of Us) had a noticeable music shift when combat started, but I haven't figured out how to replicate it. I'm on PS4, and I know the system is a bit different, but most of the tools are the same, just accessed differently and with less visible information. If you can figure it out on the PC, hopefully I can find a way to use that knowledge. Also, I do have a published map, since you asked for those. Mine is 'The Road Less Taken' by Keemonto. It's on something like version 4, 'cause I keep updating it every time I figure something new out that's applicable, but I'm pretty happy with it as is.

[@Saitaron]

I figured this one out. Some music tracks have a combat track they automatically shift to, and some do not. I was using Theme G for my map, and it does not shift. The Last of Us was using John's theme, and it does. I haven't had time to test, but at a guess I'd suspect the ones named after main characters- John, Faith, and Jacob- all shift, while the more generic ones do not. Another interesting thing from this test is that John's music in the level sounds nothing like the preview for it. When I get a chance I'm going to test Faith's for my level (I generally like her music) and see how it sounds.

[@Saitaron]

Also, new question. Assets are incredibly hard to search through on the PS4, while they seem like a pretty easy keyword search on the PC, so can anyone tell me if the speakers from the game (either in trucks or freestanding) that play the church's music are available in the creator? I have not been able to locate them if they are, but knowing for sure would be awesome.

[@Tenken_]

How do you get AI to use vehicles?

[@1georgekitchen]

I also have this problem. Sometimes I get lucky and everyone jumps in the vehicles and takes off. Sometimes all the AI run right by the vehicles..

[@Foxhound94]

Luck, if you place a defend zone and assign the AI to it they normally respond to the command better but if they're somewhat close they'll walk or run.I have a bigger problem with the animation points

[@larryduell9757]

I made a map the ai got in the miny gun and mowed me down

[@Saitaron]

I haven't tried it myself yet, but I'm told that when you create a second+ wave, you can start them in vehicles. That'd make sense in-game, because only reinforcements tend to arrive to set areas in vehicles.

[@luridftwgaming8983]

I've found that all or most Enemy AI points do not work. Everyone that I remember trying was ignored by all types of enemy AI, the only ones I can get them to use are the Shared points for some reason. Which doesn't work well if you have Enemy and Allied AI mixed in an area.

[@malarkeymachine]

Check out Hidden Apostles and let me know what you think!

[@theindiediary5950]

On pc? I made an outpost map called Haunted Swamp Outpost. I spent over 20 hours on it. And tried my best to make it look like really really detailed. As the title suggests. It's all swampy. And very halloween-like. Have 4 and a half stars so far. :)

[@malarkeymachine]

The Indie Diary I made it on PS4. PC looks so much easier

[@briangateley5580]

Huge problem I have seen since fc2 is people using way too many spawn points and placing them in the stupist places

[@donglybits5501]

How come you haven't been streaming lately, or have I just been missing them?

[@VegetarianZombie]

Hey Action Jackson - I cut down my streaming schedule to just Friday - Saturday - Sunday. I haven't been streaming lately because I was at a conference for a week - just got back. We'll be back online this Friday :D

[@donglybits5501]

VegetarianZombie Cool, I was starting to get worried if something happened to ya. Do you know what's planned for Friday?

[@VegetarianZombie]

I'm aiming to do a regular OW stream - but who knows!

[@donglybits5501]

VegetarianZombie Sounds fun, I'll be there.

[@andrewgonzalez5210]

Hey im new to your channel bro but your tutorials help me so much and hopefully one day you can play on my map that i made with your help

[@andrewgonzalez5210]

Also love your vids

[@briangateley5580]

Also efficientcy is very important for a huge huge group of far cry console players going back to fc2 on ps3 there are still hundreds of great maps being made and played daily on fc2 on ps3 shout out to atomic rooster

[@omarmartinez7277]

On the hole tool. Sweet.. So if u build something massive, then shove it all underground, will the game let u go further down?

[@VegetarianZombie]

The terrain is the walkable surface. You can place objects under it, but you'll need to construct everything with objects. Basically, make it contained or the player will fall out of it. Also if the player looks up, they'll see through the terrain. Cheers!

[@MetalGamer666]

That's what I do. Like the map I am working on now, I make an area of terrain roughly the size of the base of a sky scraper, then I move the skyscraper away. I build an interior on the ground. When I'm finished, I move the interior I built under ground, use the hole tool to make the interior accessible, then place the skyscraper on top. Then I used the basic shapes to make a doorway to obscure the transition area between the hole, the interior and the skyscraper.

[@VegetarianZombie]

That's really clever. Definitely, post a link when you're done - I'd love to check it out.

[@MetalGamer666]

All right, I will. The problem is, it takes a lot of time just making a road, side walks, surrounding buildings, and a somewhat believable (I overdo it a little bit just for fun with too many skyscrapers) city around the playable part of the map, that I haven't really had time to work on the interior yet :P So it's taking longer than I thought...

[@Tanquista120]

Sup man¿ I have a doubt you will sure know how to solve me, How do i customize the loadout in my far cry arcade creations? I can choose weapon but not the attachments... Thanks for your content by the way💪

[@Saitaron]

After you choose the weapon, the attachments are an option for the weapon. On PS4 you do it by selecting the weapon on the loadout menu and then pressing triangle, but given how the PC menus look in these videos I suspect that if you click on the weapon (maybe right-click on it?) it'll open a menu to mod it.

[@Tanquista120]

Saitaron thanks a lot man👆👆 have a nice day

[@m9000k]

I like the map editor because it's easy and you can still make good interesting maps, but it's very easy to learn. I spent some hours trying to make a decent map check it out here : Lost Highway - far-cry-arcade.ubi.com/pc/map/5acf845e94a9bb884829fe7a

[@m.loutsas3653]

now i know how to build bunkers

[@SPYmaps]

When you placed 1 house that is expensive the Memories and Textures went up indeed much, but after that when you placed the 7 others the Memorie and Texture didn't fill much more, this instead with what you said. This is because of the textures that need to be loaded, doesn't matter that much if you place 1 or 5 hourses of the same model because the textures are the same. When you check your video you will see what i mean, 1 house and the 2 meters did fill for 1/5 or so, but when you placed the 7 others they hardly did fill more. Needed to say this so mapper do understand better how they can work in a good way with there Budget! Great video's, follow them all. Leon

[@MetalGamer666]

All right, I'll bite. This is not an attack of any kind, I just want to challenge your opinion and try to prove that the hole tool is simply the best way to make underground areas. Also, I was a bit confused at first - You spent so much time (over 9 minutes) defending your position that the hole tool is not any better than any other method, that I thought I had misread the title... So are you sure you want critical comments? :P First of all, I'm pretty sure the efficiency comments were about work flow and time used to make something, and not the hardware cost. Even so, the hole tool costs absolutely no resources, so it's the best option in that regard as well. I would argue that efficiency is very important for hobbyists. They usually have a job and a family/friends/partner that takes priority over spending time making bunkers in the editor, and they don't make money from doing it so it's no point in spending more time than needed on something. When I learned to use the hole tool, I could make so much more in a much shorter time. Instead of building a mountain around a house, I could just find a closed interior piece, make a hole, and slap it inside the mountain. Very efficient. You also did the whole appeal to authority fallacy, so I want to counter that by saying that Ubisoft, in all the instances I have seen, both in the campaign and in their Arcade maps, use the hole tool when making underground areas. They are the creators of the editor and the game, so I'll trust them when they think it's the most efficient way. Next, when using the hole tool, you can also make a bunch of rocks around the bunker entrance. But the advantage of using the hole tool, is that it's much easier to cover just the hole with the entrance/doorway object. So you have much more freedom to place the boulders/bushes/clutter where you want it since you don't have to fill in the whole area to obscure the bunker. With the hole tool you are more free to decorate as you want. Lastly, you don't always want boulders and clutter around the bunker/cave/underground entrance. What if it's suppose to be on a flat snow/ice surface? Or in a part of a desert without any big boulders? Or in some other place where you need the area to be clutter free? So, everyone should learn to use the hole tool, as you can do everything you can do without it, only better. That's my take on it. Have a nice day! :)

[@VegetarianZombie]

Some good thoughtful points here. I'll respond in a bit, but thanks man - I appreciate it.

[@maxeternalgaming3084]

Have fun reading all that

[@MasterMedicHQ]

maxeternal gaming It's really not that long

[@pumpkinpeen5937]

Metal Gamer tl;Dr

[@MetalGamer666]

TL;DR: Using the hole tool is the best way.

[@hugo2171]

You a nice person

[@FactYourMind]

Totally agree with you! There is no one way to create. Tried to make a bunker map after your last video and i think it turned out nice :) It's called "Bunkermadness". Tell me what you think!

[@VegetarianZombie]

Thanks man - I'll check it out.

[@clcpaint]

Agree

[@Noname-yu8qw]

The beauty of this editor is it's simplicity for who doesn't want to be a pro and wants to have fun and you can still make some fantastic stuff. For who wants to be a pro in making maps just go editing in other software and don't waste our time jelling how bad this editor is

[@xxhenkdehunterx9255]

5:55 having ice age 3 flashbacks if anyone knows what I'm talking about

[@realbkg]

One thing you need to understand the editor is way more than a hobbiest tool people spend alot of time on these maps I know of a map coming out that's takes you inside the deathstar complete with the millennium falcon inside took along time to make this map not a hobby

[@briangateley5580]

Dude I wish you where on ps4

[@ZenFocus007]

Everyone knows more than everybody else... fk them... do it the way you like to do it... I love your videos

[@Napalm_Slayer]

Got my outpost uploaded on Xbox one. It’s called “Snow Small” by NAPAlm Slayer. If you check it out let me know what you think. Love your tutorials, great content!

[@dra6o0n]

The hole tool is awful on vertical surfaces... As in the steeper it is the bigger the gap.

[@VegetarianZombie]

That makes. Each square probably corresponds to a section that gets increasingly bigger as the terrain gets stretched. In a tool like blender, you could add vertexs and delete that face, but we don't have that option with the editor.

[@Saitaron]

Though you can somewhat combat that by making a small portion of your terrain jut out from the cliff/mountain/whatever and cutting a hole in that.

[@dra6o0n]

It's simply annoying because wall based openings like cave seems to not work very well with this since the entire 'square' for a slope is stretched indefinitely no matter the height you set it to.

[@Saitaron]

It is. The only way to make it work is make sure you jut it out enough that you want to remove the whole square. I got really frustrated with the tool, because I wanted to carve a cave into a vertical cliff, and I finally stumbled on that solution- raise about half a square in front of the cliff to the height you want the cave opening , then slice a hole in -that-, taking out the whole section and leaving a tall opening.

[@MasterMedicHQ]

Should have made a different video instead of wasting half of the video talking about comment drama when most people just wanted to see the hole tutorial. Instead of being defensive you could have just said the issues you have with the tool and why you don't use it. Just my 2 cents. I would redo this video if I was you because your other ones were so sharp

[@VegetarianZombie]

Thanks man. Yeah, I understand your perspective. I'd probably feel the same. I've been making vids on KZbin for four years and i never ran into that kind of reaction. It shook me up a little as you could tell. :) In any case, thanks for the feedback!

[@Noname-yu8qw]

the result is important if the map looks good and plays well then who cares how you made it. there are already too many shitty maps made by people who think everything is good what they do...

[@VegetarianZombie]

Well said.

[@arvid7562]

already 3 dislikes meh this was a good tutorial

[@VegetarianZombie]

Probably a reaction from the previous tutorial. But thanks man! I appreciate it!

[@MetalGamer666]

I can understand why some people disliked a 9 minute rant before the actual tutorial. I didn't vote down, though, as I like a good discussion.

[@VegetarianZombie]

Yeah totally - I appreciate your points. I'll make this my last ranty vid for now - still sore after the last one :)

[@FM-oi3me]

A Plane for a max map size of 512 Meters x 512 Meters ?!? 😂😂😂😂😂 a plane in an editor with a maximum map size of 512 meters x 512 meters?!? Is this a joke!? The Far Cry Editor is laughable as long as it has this mini size for maps. Ridiculous !