Veiled Threat: A Shoot To Loot Interaction Worth Using

I like Veiled Threat for a specific purpose. As far as Stasis, it has something that is worth building around. PvP wise it is somewhat clunky. I tried various rolls and found two that suited the frame. I talk about those and what performed best.
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[@CoolGuyGames]

Useful, but not everyone will value. I think it's a good seasonal weapon that does something unique. Thoughts?

[@Bill_Dipperly]

Hope your health is good!

[@LightsOut-KP]

I love you

[@RobertPerez862]

I like it. I use it with Stasis and Collective Action only cuz I can keep the buff up 98% of the time. I'm looking forward to your review on the new Strand Liner Fusion Rifle, Scintillation.

[@ShadowNemesis575]

It's definitely a good weapon for some cases but WHY IS THE SCOPE SO BEEFY

[@Joseph__Leonard]

4:27 “the pool picks up bricks” That is all I need to know. That roll will now be a staple in most Stasis builds, thanks Coolguy!

[@GeremyG]

I love the design of this weapon. Gives big D1 concept art vibes.

[@Gr4veM1nd]

Lot of the guns this episode look really good. The Vex guns always look cool.

[@voltrixgames4375]

I mean look at the guns ammo counter if that ain’t the biggest d1 hint 🥹

[@yab01keef67]

Its based on atheons epilogue

[@PokemonBigSad]

@@yab01keef67still sad they didn’t bring back my beloved in reprised VoG 😢

[@Copeharder00]

The scope is obstructive though

[@ryansprenkle6356]

I spent 2 weeks thinking this thing was a fusion because of how it looks and was so confused how it had headstone.

[@CoolGuyGames]

NEVER thought that and now can't unsee it.

[@BDazzle77]

I opened this video thinking it was a fusion so much that I was confused by the first minute of footage.

[@jacob-2271]

The second I saw it I was like is this just a fusion with a little barrel added on the end? 😂

[@Slazaryn]

Oh thank god I'm not alone (I could see the old auto rifle hud but the scope rather than sights threw me back to fusion)

[@LetMeEatIt]

Dammit I thought it looked so cool and now you ruined it

[@DREADFUL555]

While the 900rpm auto rifle archetype died after D1, this is the closest aesthetically you’ll probably get to a Atheons Epilogue which didn’t make it with the return of VOG. The structure appears like a more polished and progressed Vex construction of the Epilogue’s design. I love its sound/ design and glad to see we got a 720rpm Stasis auto finally. Only downside is how tall this weapon sits on the screen, reminds me of Omolon Scout rifle like Jury or Taraxipos.

[@BlitzDeera]

Wasn't Krait a stasis 720? Or u meant first craftable one?

[@kylee6051]

900rpms died after D1? What? They've been great in multiple seasons

[@blackyonbi]

​@@kylee6051 I'm almost sure there are no 900 rpm rifles in d2

[@Spooqi]

@@kylee6051We don't have 900 rpm auto rifles anymore

[@Laachen]

there are no 900 autos in d2. The closest thing is necrochasm with the perk fully spun up

[@brightenblack207]

"Until the next one, I am CoolGuy" Who will you be after then? AwesomeDude? WickedBro?

[@cykeok3525]

It just means he'll decide who he'll be when the next one arrives. So far he's decided to be CoolGuy, but who can say, stay tuned.

[@PixelleHearts]

RadicalMan

[@PokemonBigSad]

FancyFella

[@hazimrafi880]

RadLad

[@cykeok3525]

Shoot to Loot's pickup effect on Orbs is even more important than picking up ammo bricks imo (cos of all the armor builds that leverage orbs), especially in high difficulty content where wandering out into the open in heavy combat can be dangerous. And the pools triggering the pickup effect is pretty cool for this.

[@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4]

I did a ton of testing and I don't think its the pool that picks it up. Ive seen bricks spawn on an enemy that died to the pool but the pool didnt pick it up. Rather when the origin trait procs it does a mini elemental explosion first then drops the pool. That explosion is what seems to pick it up.

[@dougcarey2233]

I absolutely love this rifle. I know, Krait, blah, blah, blah, etc. But, I have a headstone/strategist roll and a fragile focus/desperate measures. Both are amazing. It reminds me of syncopation: a whole that's far greater than the sum of its parts.

[@kylee6051]

Might just be me, but I found I dislike Krait's recoil and feel. Tried to like it.

[@michaeltom637]

@@kylee6051 Exact my thoughts and feelings as well. More power to the people that do, but I just can't get into it. Wanted to like it, but just couldn't.

[@dougcarey2233]

@@kylee6051 Yeah, I hadn't considered it until you mentioned it, but Krait feels tough to keep on target, even with 70+ stability. Veiled Threats feels like it's on a rope.

[@adummy9664]

I won't lie I kinda wrote this thing off since I felt like it was a worse version of Krait which has better stats all around and better access to some general perks you'd want to see on a primary, but it's nice to see there's at least some unique value here because of the origin trait and the interactions it creates with perks like Shoot to Loot as you showed.

[@leonardchurch814]

I was going Headstone Shoot to loot already to match it with my Still Hunt, but now you’re telling me those pools can pick up bricks?! Say no more.

[@themortreport]

I'm with you on it's look and then some. I have never had a weapon be so visually frustrating, feel like a peashooter and absolutely should hate it, yet I love it

[@J0Nramirez]

Nice find with the pools activating shoot to loot! Ty.

[@IXONERU]

is this another shoot to loot encore recommendation? nice

[@EtotheFnD]

Thanks for gettin nerdy with it buddy...👊

[@BlkZard]

I think I might craft strategist + collective action to go with the Ballidorse and shard rework. Rift spam = max frost armor. Collecting shards will give damage. Need to think more on if collective action would be better than headstone.

[@Michael-ee4uz]

This is the roll I crafted for my Vesper of Radius/Frostpulse Warlock. Very fun and synergizes well. Stasis and Arc in one weapon, yes please.

[@Laevaryl]

That honestly sounds like a really cool niche build.

[@philipbrackett443]

Love the sound fx for this gun

[@CptnAxidnt]

Have them all crafted already. 😊 Thanks for the in depth guides as always! ❤

[@zekerdeath]

where did you get most of your red borders?

[@CptnAxidnt]

@@zekerdeath the hard mode of the seasonal activity it's Match Made and easy AF. Complete the objectives fast enough and you get 3 chests and can dunk materials you collect in the trash can for more loot. I am at fail safes 3rd reset of that helps with how long it took me.

[@maximusreed9270]

An awesome treatise as usual,eagerly awaiting your Riposte video!

[@vrontheweb3749]

I really liked this weapon in pve and you went the exact same roll that I did as well! Actually discovered the interaction from a random drop and I knew this is what I wanted. Great review! Hope this helps the algorithm.

[@michaeltom637]

Love this thing. The look and feel is just right to me.

[@christianglassel9950]

I was wondering why I kept hearing about this gun. Thanks for breaking it down!

[@rangerdragonheart1950]

Thanks for the vid! I was really hoping the interactions with shoot to loot would work. I was looking for a good non-kinetic primary with shoot to loot to pair with buried bloodline.

[@handsomeDRAC]

Has no one tried "gutshot straight" and "to the pain" on this gun for crucible. It's really underrated. Enhanced gutshot lessens the aim assist penalty while to the pain doubles down on aim assist especially in a duel. People get caught off guard when they die to this weapon.

[@marshallmanticore]

🙏🙏 i'm so glad i'm not the only one who thought the scope/gun takes up way too much screen space

[@mrslimsify]

You brought up a lot I hadnt considered with this guy, but I am right there with ya. That scope is atrocious! I want to love this gun, i do, but i just cant with that scope. It makes me feel like I am peeking over a table the entire time I have it on and it just kills the vibe.

[@haydencox8006]

StL goes hard for pve actually

[@aviatorengineer3491]

I've never liked rapid-fire autos with those huge sights but this seems worth checking out

[@sylokthedefiled7650]

I just really like the aesthetic of all these weapons. They have cool scopes.

[@Michael-ee4uz]

I crafted mine with Strategist and Collective Action for a Vesper of Radius/Frostpulse Warlock build. Perfect synergy. Stasis plus Arc, Rift energy on kills, shards grant damage (plus the health, melee, and damage resist they normally do), add the artifact perk and duskfield grenades to chain slow/freeze and create more shards... Very fun.

[@Massivemachine440]

"Guardian!! Open you other eye!!!" ~Shaxx probably

[@Travissaur]

Love the sound and look of this gun but if you want a better 720 for PvP, Chroma Rush has a higher base AA of 80 and can get Moving Target/Heating Up/ Tunnel Vision/ DSR in the 3rd column and Kill Clip/TTT/ Rampage in the 4th column. Edit: Good luck farming it though, it drops in Dares of Eternity on a certain weekly rotation. OR you can get really lucky and find one sold by Banshee or Xur. With Xur’s update you can hand in Strange Coins for weapon engrams and get super lucky.

[@Ninja_The_J]

Honestly I'm excited to hear about the scout, I fell in love with it immediately just for being a proper solar lever-action to complete the cowboy build on my hunter

[@iponce2]

Had the same thought, first of the set I unlocked for crafting. I'm enjoying it, but I'm definitely sad it doesn't have subsistence. I got a dragonfly subsistence roll on long arm from the dungeon, and I was hoping desperately for incandescent and subsistence to be on the new one but no such luck lol

[@ARCtheIsmaster]

Now that we can enhance perks on virtually all weapons, I wish we could get an answer from Merc on why we cant level up Crafted Weapons to have multiple perks in each column-if I remember correctly, it was Chris Proctor who mentioned that was the limitation when crafting was implemented

[@joshtenney4143]

I think it had to do with the perk budget of weapons. Something with how crafted weapons are built lowers the perk budget so having a 2nd row perks in columns 3 and 4 just wasn't possible.

[@jameswaggoner3619]

The first one I got had strategist and headstone and I have enjoyed it

[@theplaylab9336]

I feel like this would pair well with a 120 aggressive scout rifle in the energy slot.

[@HanimeFrost]

Some weapons just have that feeling, that big dumb scope makes me grin endlessly😂

[@Seven-Lights]

The Solar 120rpm scout rifle also has the same interaction with shoot to loot (although that is competition with other perks like heal clip), but the more important interaction with the weapon is that the vex milk pools, should they get a kill, trigger incandescent, so you can get an interaction somewhat like Tyranny of Heaven, but with a different third column choice. I am aware that Tyranny is far more consistent, it’s just something I wanted to note.

[@Harry_Fullick]

praying you mention the radiant high ground 2 taps on the vex scout

[@llLuckyStar]

I really like how you are breaking down the different weapon rolls and explain the how and why. But in the end every Review is the same. Range, range, range and even more range

[@kumikohirasawa8126]

I like the way the gun feels and shoots pretty smooth for a such a high fire rate but my only gripe with it is that the weapon model is so huge on the screen. Idk maybe they just need to make the scope smaller or something cuz it’s a chunky boy for sure lol

[@barelyfunctional1693]

This gun feels so smooth, but goddamn that scope is a pain

[@xrayvishn2260]

Even with the retical position lowered this model is super tall

[@alexanderspassov4759]

Fragile/Desperate measures with small bore/accurized is def the play for PVP. Fragile really helps you get the jump on all the pulses roaming around and DM helps you hose down back to back targets with the big mag while extending your falloff. Imo it wouldve been the best feeling 720 BUT the scope is a deal breaker.

[@DaNxtGreat]

I think gutshot straight is pretty underrated on a weapon like this. With fragile focus active, range masterwork, accurized, and small bore, you reduce the body shot ttk to 1.17s while pushing the damage fall off to 32m. So you end up with the forgiveness of adept Immortal with target lock but at 10 meters further out.

[@theeleothakilla3812]

Glad to know I'm not the only one who absolutely despises that scope.

[@n3crobard]

I really like the Moving Target+Threat Detector vibe for moment to moment gameplay. The scope really needs some Bungie intervention though if they want players to actually use this thing; unless I'm using a BFG my weapon shouldn't take up 1/3rd of the screen at 105 fov.

[@sentineltitan2348]

I did Strategist/Collective action with Stasis surge in PvP and this thing melts if the stars align.

[@_harls]

crafted this for pve Arrowhead / Accurized / StL / Headstone and went with a counter balance...the 90 recoil direction felt a tiny bit better than 75 at longer ranges. just stayed on crit a little better - on m&k Used a lot of variations and CB mod felt terrible without arrowhead so yeah hard avoid 60 and 70 recoil direciton. but 90 is pretty good.

[@darrylolsen9519]

Those Vex scopes may be big - it's true - but they are also Dad scopes, boy I tell ya. Very helpful seeing Guardians. I love the scout rifle, that scope makes all the difference over iron sites.

[@ziltax8666]

When shoot to loot procs it almost feels like it could be a stasis version of Necrocasm and I... I need that.

[@neo_man3014]

i just want them to lower the angle of the scope too in the middle of the screen

[@eddieozil21]

i love how the scoop looks, but i do hate how big it actually is.

[@couchpotato756]

Excited for you to cover the scout, best hc + Inc legendary in the game rn imo

[@CoolGuyGames]

I actually plan to do a HC + inc tier list. Since the combo was first introduced I have used and loved it We have a ton now and think it's worth it to cover the differences.

[@dredgenprodigy5461]

@@CoolGuyGamesLooking forward to this!

[@Jc-go3mz]

its a scout rifle, anything else with that combo is better.

[@Michael-ee4uz]

​@@Jc-go3mzhard disagree. Incandescent can soften up targets for those high-damage crits so you can start chaining one-shots, and the way the reload works on these lever action scouts you can proc heal clip super fast.

[@couchpotato756]

The radiolaria pool also procs inc

[@slapd751]

Do the pool collect orbs as well as ammo with shoot to loot?

[@MrNuclearz]

The scope is huge and covers your screen, yes... But its also fucking awesome.

[@thetommygunkid]

I wish headstone would work with shoot to loot

[@kidneystone1345]

honestly, i just wish it was just a reskin of atheon's epilogue, you had one job bungo

[@IAMAFilthyCasual]

Does the headstone explosion activate shoot to loot

[@deejayy8303]

Crucible is just peeking around corners and running away with hella abilities everywhere lol

[@Sundaephotography]

Just follow cool guy roll , it won't go wrong 😊

[@11RaiRai01]

does gutshot increase radiolaria pool dmg tho?

[@Fancy_Raptor]

Love how it shoots but that scope takes up the whole screen man ugh

[@mikebarbuto3760]

Strat + Headstone is so goated it’s just a shame the scope makes the gun literally unusable 😔

[@boatsfa2015]

Unusable, the sight blocks my entire screen at 105fov. Really sad because it feels so good when shooting.

[@sapphiros_word]

Please do Better Devils because Nadir Focus makes it feel like a completely different weapon

[@helamananderson3992]

Plus it looks fuckin sick

[@MrTimothydclark]

Does the explosion from the headstone crystal also proc shoot to loot pickups? IIRC crystals tend to count as kills from the thing that created them.

[@Michael-ee4uz]

It doesn't. I tried it with the craftable bow from a few seasons ago. Disappointing, I know.

[@UsernameXOXO]

Crystal explosions count as what made them, but do not count as that thing hitting. Example, grenade detonation crystals get grenade kills but won't give extra osmiomancy energy because the actual grenade hitting is not the same as the grenade detonating.

[@MrTimothydclark]

@@UsernameXOXO great explanation thanks

[@aarongregory4980]

I would be on board if this thing didn’t take up the entire screen. Don’t think I can look past that…literally.

[@drakeno4273]

Especially with the scope it just doesnt compete with max range tap the trigger rufus to me

[@abdelsolares9348]

Threat detector & encore 🤔🤔🤔

[@viktor27622]

It's not everyone's cup of tea but if you change your gameplay setting of crosshair positioning to below center the gun model will be put slightly lower. Been running it since the start of d2 as I find most guns clutter the screen a little too much. This especially one extra chunky guns!

[@UsernameXOXO]

I think this is OK for pve but in pvp, I wanna see shotgun sliders

[@SpurnOfHumanity]

Dude, shoot to loot and dragonfly has been doing this pretty much the whole time.

[@bbtbbbbtbb3166]

Works with kinetic tremors as well. People know this. He’s just confirming a new perk works with it

[@Tixrok]

Bros fov is insane.

[@MumboJumboZXC]

Easiest solution for the scope problem is turning the reticle position back to default.

[@SpurnOfHumanity]

Shoot to loot is pretty much always good, at least in PVE.

[@atsukana1704]

Headstone did NOT work with shoot to loot before. Bungie must have stealth changed that interaction. A season or two ago I had tested raconteur with the same roll which did not work from any of my testing

[@CoolGuyGames]

It's an interaction I have been following. I put the note in post edit bc in editng i saw it happen at times. That said, that *may* be just a part of the origin trait making it work? Regardless, the pools are awesome for it.

[@sneaky2392]

im ngl the scope is really bad but i love it so much cuz its so goofy

[@MyNameDolan]

Probably a pass for me unfortunately since I've been wanting a new 720. Nothing too crazy unless maybe Strategist and Headstone; for my Hoarfrost and Icefall Mantle

[@TreeSlayer6476]

I want to like this gun so bad but the sight takes up all the right side of the screen cutting off vision. It's ass

[@xLORDxxGRIMx]

Interesting weapon but I hate the scope. Too bulky and covers too much the screen as well as when sprinting with the weapon.

[@joshtenney4143]

I keep going back and forth with this weapon on if I like it or not. I find it to be a really interesting weapon but the model is just so comically large. Might just be a pve work horse and the occasional goof around gun in pvp for me.

[@s_t_r_a_y_e_d]

I want to love it but it BLOCKS SO MUCH OF THE SCREEN WTF

[@lorentzdriver4048]

Still no explosive round on autos ... Its a feel-good perk and is 15%+ on body, 12% on heads There's basically no add clear added into the perk because the range is so low... So why is it only on 1 exotic? STL and explosive rounds is great, just a shame its only on scouts

[@Michael-ee4uz]

And Hand Cannons

[@chullenwins9222]

I love the gun’s design but the sight is so obnoxious and takes up way too much of the screen. Sometimes design choices make no sense

[@cartho1103]

They gotta fix the position of the weapon it makes it a 1/10

[@Akfourtysvn]

The scope ruins the gun😂

[@Evan.13239]

If Bungie releases an ornament for this gun that makes the scope smaller there will be a very legitimate argument for it being pay to win with just how ludicrously obstructive the base scope is.

[@Polarosity]

You assume this weapon is meta.

[@vellycanelly7429]

The scope makes me question why we console players still don’t have an FOV slider.

[@MumboJumboZXC]

You do. FOV can go up to 105.

[@handsomeDRAC]

Get off Ps4 and go on ps5. You handicapped yourself playing on last gen console by alot. You're missing 60fps, fov slider and much more.

[@TofuRabbit]

really cool design, really cool aesthetic, but man that model is GARGANTUAN, way too big and too obtrusive, i wanted to like this thing but the chunkyness just kills it entirely for me.

[@ryanclune3883]

Excuse me, but did you collat a shadow clone and get a triple kill? Hello???????

[@MrMightyZ]

I knew when I saw how awful and huge it looks that there would be some good stats. Classic trade-off. It’s very stable and has big aim assist and range so you lose some field of view. If you’re very spatially aware it will make a great hipster gun. The kinda gun that feels cool to win with but if you lose you might feel like you’ve got an excuse🤓

[@christopherjackson9741]

I see ppl really sleep on Loose Change😅

[@syd6654]

I can’t stand most of these weapon’s scopes honestly. They feel too boxy lol

[@gerardoayuso9002]

Cool weapon but it’s so but on the screen.

[@soschar2050]

I fail to see how Shoot to Loot is anything more than a meme perk.

[@runningsolojr9448]

U missing out fr, being able to pick up orbs and ammo from anywhere is a blessing

[@Sheikah_Architect]

I can't stand the size of the scope on this. Looks like jt was made by someone drawing a gun from memory. WAY too big and it's an auto rifle too, shouldn't even have a scope. Takes up half the screen lol

[@patrickcarino989]

I know im poor lol

[@jaredwattier1749]

That scope os awful

[@brantleymock7649]

My brother I’m just finally gonna say it: its only you that likes shoot to loot

[@MumboJumboZXC]

Nope

[@chayforster5138]

Nah it’s a good perk, especially this season. Shoot orbs to pick them up and get radiant

[@brantleymock7649]

@@chayforster5138 fair enough. But hear me out - shoot enemies instead. Walk near orbs to pick them up or use class ability since we all run powerful attraction anyway?

[@chayforster5138]

@@brantleymock7649 wtf you use powerful attraction? Now that’s weird

[@chayforster5138]

@@brantleymock7649 shoot to loot is best pared with aoe effects on guns as well like explosive rounds or kinetic tremors, incandescent even so it just works when you’re shooting at enemies anyway

[@Cry42]

It’s definitely not strong enough to justify giving up 1/3 of my screen.

[@CoolGuyGames]

can't argue with that. Very few weapons can get you killed just running around and this one has done it multiple times. Never saw the shots.