Fixing the Nimitz Class...

[@seanking2860]

OK now I have a need for a full fleet list of phase 2 ships

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

As would I.

[@FLAME4564]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 ofc the Phase 2 era in star trek online is now known as the Jefferies Era after the man himself that designed the TOS connie aka the Jefferies Class Connie Varient somce according to CBS/Paramount Matt Jefferies was actualy a Millitary Man or a Naval Officer which served in the navy part of the millitary if im not mistaken?

[@TheRezro]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Personally I do believe that Disco design IS Phase 2 design. Beside experimental refit of Jefferies, what served as base for TMP design. Two prototypes from Planet of Titan (unproduced TOS movie) may be included (fun fact, they are canon! as they did show in movies, for example Wolf 359). I personally also include Repulse from STO, as proto-Excelsior. PS: It is worth to point out similarity of Engle and Nimitz to Cheyenne class. My guess is that as mych as most ships of TMP were refits of standardized older classes. Until they start construction of large post-TMP ships like Ulysses, Arc Royal and Yamato (what may be alternative timeline). Few surviving larger Disco ships could be still in use in unaltered form. As such I do not see much reason to "fix it" or make it pre-TNG design. Because it seams to be exactly that. Edit: To be clear, I really like this refit! PSS: Hoover is basically a saucer of Proxima/Atlas.

[@TheRezro]

​@@venomgeekmedia9886 On note regard Miranda style ships, I personally do see it as such: In 22'th century United Earth constructed some numer of Poseidon class refits of NX. When whole war fleet was scraped afer end of Earth-Romulan war. They end in mothball, with more civilian Bonaventure class derivatives taking its place during Kelvin Era. Only some number of NX was refitted as Loknar class Destroyers. But at the time Federation didn't need that many. After unfortunate clash with Klingon's in 2230's Federation was scared, because they semi-civilian ships perform poorly against them. It is possible that as experiment some NX were pulled from storage and refitted to Ares class warships. But it was only a prototype (it could be a rumor if someone do not like include gamma designs). Anyway, lot of design elements of Ares were later included in Anton class Destroyers, based on old Poseidon and those as hidden warships were included as utility ships. Constitution was also based on same design. It is even possible that Enterprise could be refit of original Archer ship. Malachowski is basically later Anton refit. Later actual utility ships based on same design were made with classes like Helios and Churchill. What possibly could be refuted into warships during the war. But it didn't come. Anton was refitted into Reliant and other variants into Mirandas. Leading to rumors about hidden features. Worth to point out that Reliant has slightly closer place nacelles. As they were originally mounted vertically and so it has differently routed plasma conduits. Anyway main difference in new timeline is that thanks to Utopia Planitia, Federation could build way larger ships. And as such most current ships were based on Yorktown instead Ares. With mentioned Klingon threat Federation invested in development of Walker class and rest is history. I personally use Decutor refit of Constitution (it was sister class what repaired some flaws of Enterprise class in TMP era). So we can diplomatically assume that it could have also different size. Retconie may be early version of that class. This way both scales can exist parallel and only focus changed.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@TheRezro Also, I've still no idea how the Hoover-class can be so much larger, than the Malachowski. Or approach even, the Cardenas. I swear some sizes may be flipped. Also, has not the Rockwell replaced the Poseidons - at least in terms, of registries...?

[@kronosaur417]

So basically what I'm hearing is, Discovery's design aesthetic could have fit into trek, if it had been set between TOS and TMP. That works for me.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

But it can't because its before tos

[@kronosaur417]

@@paulrasmussen8953 Minor correction, it’s “Supposed” to be before TOS, however it looks more like a post TOS design style. And it would work better that way in my opinion.

[@turkeytrac1]

No, it wouldn't work fir ship design. This particular design is the upper nacelles, even with the hull cut outs, exposes that part of the ship to large amounts of radiation caused by the bussard collectors .

[@DrewLSsix]

​@kronosaur417 no, it doesn't. It's post ENT design and it works for that, it also works with the entire rest of the franchises aesthetics. It's just TOS that stands out, because it simply doesn't fit the rest of the franchise.

[@kronosaur417]

@@DrewLSsix I suppose you are entitled to your opinion, though I’m not sure how you think it fits with the rest of the franchise design aesthetics, I personally couldn’t see them fitting in amongst a fleet of TNG era ships, the reasons I think they work better as a go between for TOS and TMP is because there they all possessed square nacelles, swept back/angled pylons, and textured hull patterns more consistent with TMP, while still possessing the dome shaped Bussard collectors, protruding navigation deflectors dish’s with long antennae more reminiscent of the TOS design style, the uniforms look like possible predecessors to the TMP uniforms (though more along the TWoK design philosophy path, just being blue instead of Red), I am fully aware of the setting and era the creators intended these designs to inhabit, I just believe they made several big mistakes, I can not reconcile these designs as some sort of go between designs that were prominent during the 10 year game between The Cage pilot and TOS proper, especially considering that both the Enterprise and the uniforms worn by the crew, suddenly change a few times before returning to how they looked before when Kirk takes command (granted the Enterprise had a few slight changes between the two pilot episodes though you wouldn’t notice on first glance and of course would receive its most recognizable design shortly after) I think the Discovery ships are nice designs, I just don’t think they are a good fit for where they are, but could work better elsewhere.

[@pf6797]

Really well thought out and reasonable ideas

[@cryptohivemind205]

Another good video my dear friend

[@camdenanderson935]

Eres class is definitely overlooked

[@nightrunnerxm393]

4:36 I dunno...the TOS version of the Nimitz seems to agree with itself fairly well. That's actually kinda pretty (which I can't say for too many TOS-ed designs...some of 'em really _are_ irredeemably fugly). It's got the TOS clunkiness meets smooth roundness in all the appropriate spots, so It's got some of that early Starfleet charm of function dictating form going for it. 5:13 Maybe...but we're talking about a military organization, here. They don't really do incremental, iterative designs that way. It's hideously expensive and time consuming, and it does really unpleasant things to the fleet organization and logistics. Instead, they like finding what works and sticking to it--even if doing so is itself sub-par--only changing things radically when new tech requires it (and, if they're smart, when that new tech is properly proven to be effective). Plus, given how long the basic Miranda and Excelsior class designs stayed in service...yeah. I don't see Starfleet going in on treating starship design in the same kind of iterative manner that say...the modern car industry treats automotive design. Those ships aren't disposable or easily replaced, and neither are their crews or the doctrine they've developed to operate those ships.

[@travisbishop782]

It's looks fantastic!

[@Isteak80]

I'm so glad to see a take on the Nimitz class but closer to the prime/Phase 2 aesthetic. It seemed dissapointing how little it contributed in the show, given it seemed to be considered quite powerful and was a fleet flagship. I get sometimes you can't have a ship upstage the hero ship for "storytelling" but I really wanted a chance to see what it could do.

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

I actually liked the Nimitz design when I saw it, and the redesign looks great. Due to it's namesake, i almost pictured her to be like a fighter carrier. The dorsal superstructure acting like a flight control tower, to keep those operations seperate from the ship's command and control. And fighters could rapidly deploy from presurized launch tubes in the nacelle conection pylons.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

It does have large clamshell doors for its aft shuttlebay but no battlestar launch tubes I'm afraid ;)

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

@venomgeekmedia9886 I always like the idea of those launch tubes. I first found them in Wing Commander Prophecy from the TCS Midway. Good for rapid deployment to give your fighters, especially in a scramble and intercept scenario, a speed boost.

[@aarondavis8865]

i have to agree its a great design my favouroute over the last few years it like most of season 1+2 discovery is set in the wrong time period maybe setting it somewhere between the end of picard and enterprise J era some of the stuff in picard like the stargazer in season 2 would work well with these designs just change the texturing and the buzzard collectors

[@Relav1364]

I DIDN'T CRASH THIS TIME!!!! I loved the idea that you didn't really change Nimii all that much. Its amazing what a little creative thought can accomplish. I wanna see a TMP Sovy!

[@davidedens6353]

Thank you sir for your kind words

[@dekardkain5469]

I think they missed a really good real life example they could have used to update the ships while maintaining the original aesthetic, and ironically it was US Naval vessels. The modern stuff like the LCS still LOOKS like a US Navy ship, it just got streamlined. Simply using the original (or close) hull coloring and running lights would have been a huge step in the right direction by itself.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

Well yeah because the oringal makers of trek had roots in the navy/military the makers of disco don’t

[@jeffhallam2004]

Finally got to this video...not what I thought it was and IM glad I watched it! How you bridge Discovery/Strange New Worlds (which I loathe) and Prime universe is interesting.

[@quentinking4351]

Well now I have a new favorite starship

[@DeaconBlu]

Great vid. I agree 100% with your idea of “accepting” new hull forms and general designs. Nicely done sir.

[@jacobh097]

I liked your redesign a lot. The only thing I disagree with you on is the downscaling. The canon dimensions for the original enterprise were too small. By making it larger and keeping the same aspect ratio the discovery/SNW crew fixed many of the issues the original series had with things like deck height and layout.

[@z3r0_35]

I could also see this ship, potentially, being fitted with prototype mega phasers, intended to let the ship take out Klingon battlecruisers that might smash their way though the Federation's formations to get to the command ship. However, the technology wasn't mature yet, and the energy hungry nature of a quad-nacelled design meant that the warp core couldn't power both these weapons and propulsion systems efficiently, which is a bit of a problem in battle. Perhaps this then led to the Miranda, which became a more specialized mega phaser platform with less power-hungry propulsion systems to allow more consistent use of its primary weapons.

[@darthbloodborn]

ive always felt the nimitz class never got the love that it deserved its an amazing ship

[@Granulus]

The Nimitz class reminds me of what a ship would look like if Star Trek and G.R Andromeda was merged .

[@andrewmalinowski6673]

Both interesting as the Phase 2 didn't get much love or mention. Since the Discovery's original design was basically an unused movie design utilizing the TMP/P2-styled aesthetic makes the design almost remind me of an aircraft carrier with the bridge superstructure rising above the main body

[@joedelafranier278]

I love it !

[@Kreachie]

Yeah, that design actually works, and I like how they kept the bridge module atop the rollar, which I think is quite unique and yeah, it makes sense and makes it definitely seem like it can separate and do it’s own thing. Also What about a Phase-II-ified Crossfield? And is it bad that if the normal version of the Crossfield had shorter Nacelles, I can imagine it looking like the answer to “What would a Galaxy-Class in the 23rd Century look like?”

[@ericmadsen7470]

The Phase II NImitz class looks great. The cross between TOS and TMP works.

[@sharlin648]

With Discovery part of the problem is that if you went and tried to make them look 'era appropriate' to apease the Grognards of the community, they'd look terrible. I remember reading one of the complaints about Discovery was that it all looked too modern. And that's not an issue. It would be an issue if you went the other way, and tried to pass off the 1960's look of TOS as how the future would be. So bright flashy lights, spinny disk computers and machines that go BING. This works on say Orville because its a huge nod to TNG, and is done in a very stylized way. Whereas Discovery was very straight laced and serious.it just wouldn't work because it would then look very weird as the bright, deliberately by our standards archaeic interiors etc and computers and the like would look dated as all hell. But a great vid about your take on the Nimitz :) That's really well done!

[@wxwxsrg]

My head cannon for the Disco ships is that the more angular ships are andorian designers, and the sleeker ships were Vulcan designers with the rounded ships being human and tellarites.

[@z3r0_35]

That's plausible, I like that idea actually. Yeah, the Federation had a largely unified design language by the mid-23rd Century, but you'd still see certain, subtle features make their way into various designs based on what firm designed them.

[@andrewmalinowski6673]

Makes sense in a way given how the Human ships seemed to appeal to all three races given the near-similar details, but by the 2230s I'd expected there to be a mixed-race design committee with each founding member providing someone to give ideas that would meld their aesthetics or technologies into a consolidated style

[@wolfcraft484]

this looks nice, i wonder if there is any Pacific class tos refit

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

Hmm, a phase-2-ified Nimitz class. And unexpected idea but what that, for me at least, surprising fits rather well. And yeah, many ship designs are not as much lost causes as some may think, they just need to be reevaluated and have potential to bloom somewhere else.

[@rueceless7580]

Discovery ships always looked like Kelvin era ships to me, post NX but pre-TOS, honestly only the discovery herself bothered me design wise. The Planet of the Titans enterprise design is bugly and I dontt know why they tried to use it as a base for the hero ship. XD Anyway like the redesign looks cool!

[@adearfriend1585]

Keeping the essence whilst making sure it’s able to fit is great work

[@todabrilla]

Very elegant and well thought out work!

[@MoxieRiley]

Beautiful starship and incredible video 🖖🖖

[@pupil8]

Take it to the Nimitz ✊

[@birdmonster4586]

Good redesign, and it's always nice to see some more Phase 2 stuff. Discovery might be pretty bad, but it is nice to see some elements of it getting a proper redesigning into much more fitting designs. Fix the Magee class, Now that would be a challenge. Magee reminds me of Hondo Onaka's Ship in TCW.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yep Magee and hoover are big challenges. I do actually like the magee.

[@DimoB8]

​@@venomgeekmedia9886Magee definitely looks like a proto defiant. Maybe that was even what they were trying to make in universe. In my own headcanon it was built by Andorian engineers trying to built a compact and maneuverable ship. But because of the radiation they had to encase the nacelles into heavy armored sleeves, negating any advantage in weight reduction. The technology just wouldn't be there for another 100 years

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@DimoB8 yeah i could definitely see that

[@norman7566]

I like it! Where, oh where can I find wallpapers of this re-imagined beauty?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I'll see if starfox will post them anywhere

[@barrybend7189]

STO missed an opportunity to make the Nimitz cruiser carriers. Also the malechyoski class is more Starfleet battles Anton class. It does take Centaur class parts namely pylons in order to recreate it but it's there. Also thoughts on the Matsumoto class as a destroyer leader of Miranda class wings?

[@davidbricejr.7340]

good design 👌

[@thomasthibodeau8628]

Fricking genius!! Paramount should reach out to you and your people. This was great and you found a back way in to make phase 2 cannon

[@moffjendob6796]

"If you'll spend a few minutes on DeviantArt, you'll find a few different approaches." Like shipfus? :D MORE TREK SHIPFUS!

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Oh no... not that side of deviantart

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@venomgeekmedia9886 😏

[@merafirewing6591]

We need more Discovery ships being TMP'd TOS'd and and Phase II variants. I do like the TOS version of the Nimitz. Also I do find the TOS Miranda design just as appealing, keep up the good work with redeeming Discovery ship designs. I wonder if the Promixa and Nimitz would make a good pair? I do want to see a TMP Atlas, and a TNG Promixa?

[@rezredstripe2774]

Though the Proxima is my fav, I like your take on the Nimitz

[@CarlHardiman-jc7br]

Not bad...Not bad at all 👍🖖🙏😇!

[@SteveBlewett]

The Proximas were likely kept very close to Homeworlds for prestige, defense and not wasting resources. Those Nimitz types could actually deploy out and get stuff done.

[@wayausofbounds9255]

Anton Class Light Cruiser refit to -> Reliant Class Cruiser. The Miranda Class was the overall class name but mostly referring to any new ship built to that refit spec but modular for mission specific subclasses.

[@ravenbh]

Personally I like this class. The top half does look like it could detach and become a warp powered fighter. Almost like a Starfleet version of the TOS Romulan warbird. Heck overall it even looks good as a ship backwards. My only gripe, and its really just a personal nitpick thing, I think it would look better if the top two nacelles were upside-down. I think it would look sleeker. But that's just me.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

So that was a point of discussion. Starfox originally had the ventral nacelles inverted. But I preferred them to be in the same orientation. As it created a cleaner geometry

[@ravenbh]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 As I said was just a personal like/choice, nothing at all wrong with the design itself. I Just thought it looked better with the tips of the nacelles like. /============I ...\=============I

[@popeofsimps2924]

For the idea of vertical warp cores, I’d say it’s in the phase 2 era but it’s limited to the constitution pre-refit (Connie 1.5?) as an experimental piece of tech before being adapted fleet wide by the TMP era Edit: oh and for a ship that’s underrated, there’s a design in sto called the emissary class, while the model itself is dated it’s still a nice looking ship honestly, and could fit in to most of the 24th century just as much as those grey era 25th century ships

[@gmradio2436]

I like the Nimitz being a space tow truck or tug. I have trouble seeing it as a Federation beam boat. Unless they are mounted on the nacelles.

[@skazkatzroy3444]

Nice.

[@tomxaros48]

John Eaves would be proud of this adaptation I think!

[@711desmond]

A lot of these fan remakes look like things you’d see of like, we made the concept art into a ship, like the things you’d see on ec Henry of like making the original design for the millennium falcon into a ship

[@Eulemunin]

I wonder if a Electronic warfare ship might be more fitting. Stand off, bombard, and use all that power to cut through the EM clutter.

[@MrSheckstr]

So off topic but you said something around 5:30 that really spun my wheels ….you were talking about the imaginary “phase2” refit era…..and if gave me an idea: The constitution was one of the most prolific designs in startfleet and i have decided it at four construction era snd two refit eras Era one is pre TOS, Era Two is TOS , Era three is the phase two, with refits of the PTOS becoming phase 2 refits, Era 4 is the TMP , with refits of the TOS becoming TMP refits Personally i like to think that the constitution had at least 2 more Eras, the Galaxy and the sovereign eras

[@oldtimefarmboy617]

The Constitution class (USS Enterprise) is considered to be a heavy cruiser. That means that somewhere they have light cruisers. It could be that the Nimitz class was the light cruiser of torpedo boats and the Proxima class was the heavy cruiser of torpedo boats.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

No proxima are full on battleships.

[@franksmedley7372]

Hello VG. I usually think of the Nimitz Class as a Miranda, but with the addition of another pair of nacelles and a semi-integrated section of the 'roll bar' section of the Miranda. This, of course, is an over simplification of the mind, but somewhat useful to envision the Nimitz. As said in your video, the Nimitz class is more of a Command Ship, whereas the Miranda is a cargo hauler, a science vessel, a recon ship, and, occasionally refitted to enhance its combat abilities. The Nimitz is about combat. Pure and simple. It makes no pretensions of being a 'kinder and gentler' type of ship. Its role is far different from something like the Miranda, which is a modular concept put into action. Although you do a good job of rationalizing the Nimitz's weaponry loadout, I feel it is unnecessary. The Nimitz should have all those torpedo launchers. The latter, well known, 'torpedo storm' ship was designed with lessons from the Nimitz in mind. Where they found out that such a ship really didn't need all those torpedo launchers. Which in essence states that there were, indeed, a few flaws in the overall design, that were improved upon for later classes. My one real question is the 'divots' in the primary hull. I don't see a need for such 'cut out' sections. They make no sense to my understanding of engineering and structural design. To me, the hull should not have such a 'weak point' built into it. The saucer section should be an uninterrupted disc shape. For structural purposes, if for no other reason. If there is a sound reason for the 'trenches' in the primary hull, it escapes me. If you have any information upon this, I would appreciate knowing of it. I would appreciate a sound and logical answer to this question. Something that addresses, what seems to me, to be both a structural and Engineering weakness of the hull's construction and durability. Oh, and I agree that the idea that the upper section seems to beg to be known as a detachable section of the general hull design. One able to allow the Nimitz to have a fast 'warp sled'. Possibly as an emergency escape feature, or detachable to allow it to act as a second 'ship' in some combat scenarios.

[@jimi1701a]

This is a thing of beauty. Instantly improved the original design well done guys. Can anyone else use the model or is it just for you 2??? 🙂

[@BoisegangGaming]

Honestly, i think some of the discovery designs, with their focus on greebling and detail, could have worked as United Earth ships. The idea of the Klingon War era being so bad for starfleet that they had to requisition ships or even personnel from member-states' defensw fleets is very interesting at least for me and could have led to neat storylines.

[@farshnuke]

I prefer Discovery's design aesthetic to TOS but that's just me. I like the idea of fleshing out between TOS and TMP though

[@jaredcolon4535]

Honestly I think it nit only looks and works better but is a much better ship design as you have invisioned here then how it was as seen in disco

[@Cauin450]

Venom Geek, I just had a thought looking at that the quad nacelles design and wondering about the original encounter with the Vulcans circular warp drive. What would a Federation/Starfleet starship look like if the standard warp nacelle design was circular? Maybe Firefox can whip up something? With the prerequisite of a circular warp ring, how would that have changed the design of Federation ships? We can automatically say that the Vulcan sausage shape is out because we're human and we're contrary. So, would the warp ring pass through the saucer section and the secondary hull. Would it get squished a bit in new designs in the interests of streamlining it towards fighter planes from the 70s-80s, like your new love, the Nimitz! Would it improve Warp field geometry, acceleration, cruising speed and possibly, warp tactics? Love to see how they would rework the Galaxy and Sovereign class! These are the voyages of the starship Hula-Hoop?

[@gazf9946]

Some good iterations of the ships on the New Civilisations mod on Stellaris. Nimitz was a heavy cruiser so don’t see the need to downsize IMO :)

[@iansaviet600]

I hope you do a video on some of the FASA rpg ships, those are certainly weird and wonderful

[@garyrobbins283]

The class name Nimitz would imply a carrier vessel, but that's a discussion for another time. As for the warp core, the spherical Kelvin type reactor would be less fragile than the vertical core which spanned numerous decks.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah or a horizontal TOS core

[@emmamacfarlane8137]

One thing I saw in some Phase II concept art was the original design for the Warp Core; it was going to only be a few decks tall, and was essentially hourglass or dumbbell shaped, with two reaction chambers, We can surmise that this is something introduced for the Phase II ships, and was ultimately superseded surprisingly early by the developments in the vertical warp cores, which is probably why the refit of the other Constitutions beyond a small handful was cancelled. Incidentally, the first of Diane Duane’s Rihannsu novels is most likely set in 2270 and features a newly-rebuilt USS Intrepid, the Vulcans having replaced the previous one. It’s described as having various engine updates which would correspond in part to the Phase II refit.

[@roguephoenix]

we've seen a design change from tng to picard, why can't there be a design change from dicovery to tos?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Because DISCO is quite close to TMP but that's in the wrong place in the timeline. Picard gets more tolerance because its ahead in the timeline.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

In my opinion I think the phase 2 era would have vertical warp cores but the later refit ships perfected the vertical warp core basically phase 2 walked so the 2270s ships could run

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah we travel by midnight showed a verticle core in the phase 2 design.

[@elitejeffrey3719]

I think it was in Star Trek Enterprise when Archer is brought into the time Vault you see a timeline in the background one of those arcing timelines reads discovery

[@Earthstar_Review]

I am intrigued.

[@dandyl1on]

My hot take, influenced by a recent binge of Star Trek New Horizons (great mod for Stellaris) and VGM98's recent videos: many of the Discovery era ships are heavily influenced by Andorian design philosophy. After being moderately successful in trying to incorporate all federation member technologies together in one ship (see Rockwell), Starfleet would choose a more incremental approach to try to amplify baseline Human/Starfleet designs with only certain member design philosophies/technologies at the time. Why? To see what works and sticks, and for some time the Andorians had the best synergic potential with Human designs. Only starting in the 2220s a new generation of designers and technologies would then start to introduce the "Phase 2" ships - Saladin, Constitution, Miranda etc. By that point technology has become far more homogenous across the Federation, and the new design language turned out to be extremely modular, upgradable and future proof. This would also explain, in universe, why by the time of TOS/TMP no Discovery era ship seems to be sticking around, especially if you consider that a hundred years later the pinnacles of Phase 2 design - like Excelsior, Miranda and variants - are still happily in service.

[@entropy11]

I've seen some nice renders of Marvick-drive refit TOS Nimitz and Shepherds (by Pundus iirc)

[@twitchyartemis]

The way the warp naccelles seem to have a connection to the forward torpedo launchers... was this the first ship to implement some kind of warp capable torpedos?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

All torpedoes are warp capable. But yeah perhaps they could receive a bost from the secondary nacelles.

[@glennlaroche1524]

My main issue w the Nimitz has always been that the only impulse drives seem to be waayyy up on the 'rollbar', far from the ship's center of mass. Also, nice job, Venom, now go fix the Rockwell ghehehehehe.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

How can I fix perfection :P but yeah a third impulse unit could work under the shuthlebay.

[@glennlaroche1524]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 If by perfection u meant Excelsior, then fine..........ghehehehehe......also yeah that spot under the shuttlebay begs to be the main impulse drive.

[@-werksmith2078]

I think it also could fit a fast cruiser role. Not just due to the 4 nacelles but it would have a good center of mass that would be great for maneuverability!

[@ericmadsen7470]

The TOS NCC-1200 was what the TMP Enterprise was supposed to look like. Glad that was changed to what people saw in the TMP. An absolutely dynamic looking ship.

[@paulrobertmarino7623]

Well it looks to me now like a possible ancestor to the Miranda class which makes it fit in a little better

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah although the miranda was more modular.

[@paulrobertmarino7623]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 well that fits in to my thinking on this. from an engineering point of view if you wanted to just add modularity to a starship it would be much more efficient to mount the modules directly to the engineering or primary hull, but there must have been something in the design requirements to have them separated. the reason for the separation would probably so they can test experimental equipment in modules that might be dangerous (such as field generators and weapons) without risking the primary or engineering hull. well the designers of the Miranda class might have borrowed some of the structural design element from the Nimitz class because it had this robust roll bar design that was tried and true while sturdy enough to mount warp nacelles and has the power carrying capacity of the plasma conduits for warp nacelles. By drawing on this slightly older but well understood design they could reduce development time and not only that but the workers in the shipyards would have some familiarity already with the assemblies. Also from an engineering perspective the nacelles themselves are probably an assembly that can be swapped out with relative ease at a star base otherwise why would so many federation ships mount them on outboard pylons instead of internally like the Defiant, Steam Runner, or Bird of Prey. So I've always theorized that Starfleet warp nacelles are probably already modular. if you think about it this would give them a great advantage in war time because if a ships warp nacelles were damaged too severely they could be towed to the nearest star base and have them swapped out with a shelf spare fairly quickly and the damaged ones could be then towed to a ship yard for proper refurbishment or salvage. this kind of modularity in the nacelles wouldn't be too hard to build into the design and would also make things like refits to new nacelle designs a lot easier. If my theory about the warp nacelles being modular hold and if the updates in the current engines negated any advantages to quad nacelles then this fits perfectly into why his design would evolve into a Miranda.

[@MrAirpumpkin]

For messing with other Disco classes I'd say first look at the Hoover class, and then look at the fasa/comics Baton Rouge class. What I see between these two is a 2200-2220's heavy cruiser (Baton Rouge) turned into a light carrier/boat tender(Hoover) in a similar fashion to how Excelsior components were rearranged to make the Curry class. The saucer neck would be moved to the rear of the stardrive hull and a pair of perpendicular shuttle bays would be added to the top of the saucer making a pass through bay (where as on the baton rouge class there was only one bay and it was attached to the rear of the stardrive). The big hangup to make it work though is the Hoover would have to be massively scaled down beyond the usual conversion ratio simply so the saucer doesn't wind up bigger than the Connie's before the Connie was ever built.(I got a thing against breaking scale creep) As for phase ii Nimitz the only issue I have with it is my entirely subjective opinion that elliptical/rectangular dish deflectors should be confined to the 22nd century as much as possible and so would rather have the front deflector cutout either be repositioned somewhere where a circular dish will fit, filled with blue plasma instead of an antenna dish, or removed entirly a'la the Miranda and constellation classes.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah I found the Baton rouge recently. Very similar vibe to the hoover

[@BarneyLCornett]

Please tell me where you got those backgrounds?!

[@timothyhiggins8934]

could someone answer this: did the 4 years war happen before or after the disco klingon war? i'm lost. good vide

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Original Fasa puts it 10 years pre TOS but Axanar puts it 20 years.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Personally I go with 20

[@SPatrickRoss]

Could we beautify the Constellation class?

[@JeremyBuxman]

Good work. I admit, I think it would be BEST if it just had the top or the bottom nacelles and not both, but that's just me.

[@littlejimmy5370]

Dynamite comes in small packages. #boom

[@davidjordan697]

The upper superstructure is very romulan in its lines and angles.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Very sweeping and avian in its design

[@Lokiawa]

I do like the P2 version, but I wish I had not heard Andrew Probert speak about the TMP nacelles and the "invisible" energy connection between them that is emitting radiation, because that's affecting my opinion on not just this but many other ships...

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Would have been a nice effects.

[@shanenolan5625]

Cheers

[@kookoobrick54]

I think that the verticalness it had is what made the Nimitz a candidate for the phase 2/TMP refits.

[@reowhite4862]

One thing I always wondered about Star Wars and star trek is how many people does it take to man all of the vehicles and ships in the Fleet that's gotta be an astronomical amount of humans not to mention how many still live on Earth and all the other colonies and other colony worlds

[@GoldenMoonOfDeltaCommentaries]

Should try doing this to the rest of the disco ships need more phase II era ships

[@yourifriend4273]

Online Nimitz class captain checking in hooya!

[@ycplum7062]

I have to disagree that speed s a significant consideration of a command cruiser. The primary consideration of a command cruiser is that it has the room for both a command staff as well as command and control equipment (multi-channel communications, datalink, data processing facilities, and possibly sensors). While the Ticonderoga cruisers (originally classified as a guided missile destroyer) and Arleigh Burke destroyers (Flights II and III) differ by only a few hundred long tons in displacement, the Ticonderoga is the command cruiser used to coordinate fleet defense in a carrier group. However, with the retiring of the Ticonderoga class, the Arleigh burke Flight IIIs will serve as interim flagships. Command cruisers are always part a fleet or flotilla, otherwise what is the point of the extra command and control capabilities? There really isn't a need to run from one part of your fleet to another if you have communications. This isn't like the era when you a general needed a fast horse to personally command or direct elements of his army. LOL Just an idea. It may be interesting to look at major technological leaps and their impact on ship design.

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

sorry but the "Kelvin timeline Shepperd" gives me thesame vibes as a "Hirogen cat groomer" or a "Borg Sunday-School teacher"

[@OllamhDrab]

I think a Loknar would be very just-pre-TOS appropriate. Weirder isn't better, never mind aesthetically. And 'Phase II might look nice but it's *post* TOS. The refit does look pretty but wouldn't have helped Disco perod-nesss.

[@camdenanderson935]

I always looked at it and thought it was bigger than the constitution

[@berges104]

I wonder if that Sean Farrell is from USS OHIO (ELT)

[@geekiusmaximus1882]

So...are you retconning your lore on the proxima class then?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

In what way? I still think a few would get a TMP refit.

[@geekiusmaximus1882]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 You said originally it was a response to the disco klingon war, and that it wasn't launched until the 2260s. Now you're saying the Proxima came from the 40s potentially? Considering the constitution was launched at the dead-end of the four years war, does that mean that all of the TOS-ships (saladin, loknar, detroyat, proxima, akula, larson) were all designed and launched in the span of 5-8 years? It's not like you see a "phase II" era in the TMP era, which lasts nearly 25 years itself.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@geekiusmaximus1882 so there's a lot of overlap. i would say stuff like the Gemini and proxima would appear in the 50s... possibly in response to klingon agression. while the phase 2 ships would begin appearing in the 60s during TOS.

[@geekiusmaximus1882]

@@venomgeekmedia9886I guess…I still miss your “four years war” role for the Nimitz, was looking forward to see it when you eventually do battle space on that :(

[@dustind3960]

Could be a theory or 2 as to why the tos enterpise did not get early phase to parts 1 how important was tos enterprise missions the she was already at the time when pike handed command of entetpise to kirk. We do know enterpise did got a bit of a licking in the episode where no man has gone before. So between nhgb amd the next episode enterpise was suppost to have a minor refit back at starbase but scotty has to repaired enterpise anyways so what if he also deley fixing the warp system to do most of internal upgrade to phase 1.5 with advanced idea from phase 2 so bay the time enterpise got back to starbase. Starfleet felt that there was no rush to totally upgrade enterpise to phase 2 yet. What if scotty was able to also field upgrade tos enterpise phaser and torpedeos and shields to be no more then 10 behind phase 2 specs. How far pit was enterpise from the nearest starbase that even had phase 2 parts amd how much longer would fully upgrade enterpise to handle phase 2 specc. Also starfleet only has tue orginial consitution moatly on service or getting distroyed or missing in action over time. What if phase 2 tos constitution class ship were actually ment to next gen upgrade or were limited to only new build till about start of the year 2268. When the remaining orginial tos consitutions finially started getting phase 2 upgrades startimg with potankin hood excaliber and lexiton right after the m5 mess. What if starfleet only had 6 or 7 of the orginial co sitution class ship on active service at the time of m5 problem. It was not tue time to have enterpise be going for a refit given 4 or the 6 or 7 original consitution ship still in were too damaged to continue work and excaliber totally bead in the water. Also starfleet might of be a lot short on experianced from crews and ships to pull enterpise out of service anyeariler the mid 2228. Also starfleet crops of engineers amd scotty and enterpise hole engineering probally too a 6 month refit amd worked tripple over time to get enterpise in to phase 2 refit shape in 3 weeks maxed. But tue phase 2 upgrades were only a stop gap till enterpise underwent the tmp consitution 2 class refit enterpise sub class

[@turkeytrac1]

You do the F20 tiger was a upgrade of a jet designed in the 1950s? Sorry the nimitz's top nacelles are to close the saucer section. This would expose the crew, even with the hull cut outs, to the bussard collectors when they were engaged in hydrogen collection. It ignores canon on ship design.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Many other ships do that. The bussards do have a clear line of sight from the front

[@stevennelson489]

I like the look just the size of the nacells throws me off maybe shrink them down to about 3/4's the size and It would look better in my opinion.

[@jamescooper7878]

im more into the Phase 2 era designs than the discovery ships, not that the discovery ships are bad, they just dont fit quite good as how the Phase 2 does

[@shanenolan5625]

I liked her . Uss eupoa . . I wish we saw more of her . ( class ). The saucer on discovery always bothered me ( too small)

[@rueceless7580]

Same, although that cleave ship got to know her quite well I suppose. XD

[@shanenolan5625]

@@rueceless7580 😆 indeed. Almost biblically.

[@rueceless7580]

@@shanenolan5625 XD

[@benperez6454]

I'll say I like discovery ships substantially more than tos and I'm perfectly fine just letting these retcons be in

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I like them in a vacuum. But it's also fun to play around with them.

[@kdrapertrucker]

So they took the discovery back to the Ralph McQuirrie Star trek phase II origins.

[@trekicb]

An interessting desgin and the smaler sise of the DSC ships fit much better. I allso think the Phase II is a period wich is much interessting too.

[@I_am_Diogenes]

As much as I like this vessel my eye keeps saying the saucer section is too small to balance the quad nacells on the broadside view . Just looks like it is all engine but looks great other than that . EDIT : IMO it would fit best in the NX era .