UPDATED Dragonflight Season 4 PvP Tier List!! EVERY SPEC RANKED

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[@kotibus9417]

Do a Blizzard employee tier list instead pls. Cleaning lady gets A tier for working on PvP on the side, everyone else gets L for lazy or E for the most efficient money printing method (literally 0 employees working on PvP while generating millions monthly with it).

[@christoffer5875]

Just remember the pvp director of wow just said they were happy with the cadence of pvp changes in dragonflight right to Venrukis face. If ANYONE excepts TWW to be different theyre stupid

[@user-qb3vl7ru9f]

Pvp is great right now. If your not having fun go play Pokémon or something.. the balance in wow is pretty dang good considering it's nearly impossible to balance that many specs

[@kotibus9417]

@@user-qb3vl7ru9f It is pretty good. The assertion was that Blizzard is putting absurdly little effort into it. The entirety of Dragonflight PvP changes were basically just number tuning every 4 weeks and two 5 minute fixes on healer rewards. You're paying a monthly fee and you pay for mandatory expansions just to keep playing PvP and Blizzard literally has 0 employees working specifically on PvP. A steam game for 30$ that doesn't fix core features (like e.g. solo shuffle queue times) would get review bombed.

[@robcas5136]

@@user-qb3vl7ru9f pvp are so bad right now, and if this happen is cause of people like you. Blizzard keep throwing shit on this game and you guys are keeping say: " THANK YOU BLIZZARD, this cioccolate is good💞". no way of get out of this

[@kirainvest9654]

frost dk vs unkillable holy priest is alot of fun

[@Jordan-dk2op]

😂😂😂

[@iridiumvalkyrie9017]

Lolol

[@enzoshink7597]

I like how frost dk is insta f tier for every content lol... they really need to fire dk dev and hire someone else, tbh i dont even know if there is a dev😅

[@xibbas7055]

The DK dev actually had some insane Unholy changes in the most recent war within update. So my hopes for his plans for frost are up there. Frost suffers from obviously poor design and being held down by unholy being very volatile in how tanky it gets with necrotic wounds.

[@lukabozic5]

Frost DK is good in m+, that's all that matters to Blizzard, there is only 1 person doing PvP balancing after all

[@jacobshaw9820]

It's probably not the DK dev. The people who do PvP balance just seem to dislike Frost DK. BoS is nerfed by 33% and Frostwyrm's Fury by 70%. They could easily make Frost at least do good damage, but they don't care.

[@kirainvest9654]

@@jacobshaw9820 also the clothes buff is really bad for frost dk because this made priests to tanky. They also buffs all classes to crazy with to much new abilitys which counters frost dks pillars frost.

[@gregjross852]

Woah calm down there… they’re alright in M+ but I wouldn’t say they’re good compared to the classes they’re actually good in m+ lol

[@arcadialive4265]

Holy pally 😢 it’s madness most of their offensive abilities cost mana and even if they don’t use them they still go oom the fastest 😢

[@t.ydunston2251]

Heal until you run out of mana. It’s what the strong Hpals do 😭😭

[@arcadialive4265]

@@t.ydunston2251 then lose to the dragon who hasn’t needed to learn that mana is a resource 😂

[@t.ydunston2251]

@@arcadialive4265 hahaha

[@MrPalelight]

not only cost mana, the damage is very low, and its one more GCD clutting the rotation, its not even worth pressing, thats what i feel.

[@quizkill]

Feral is starting to make more sense in this updated tier list sitting at low A tier. Personally, I would stick feral at high B tier.

[@Piercett-nb7iv]

During last night's AWC, I noticed that the rogue characters seemed to only be picked for their ability to stun and gouge and didn't contribute much else. All the kills were made by the Boomkins, and the rogue's DPS was close to the Envoker healers and they were often rooted somewhere in the map. Additionally, it's concerning that the developers focus on tuning these classes for AWC when so few people actually watch it. The whole five-hour video only had 800 likes. It seems like the developers are ruining the game by designing classes for mythic+ and then trying to sell them for PvP. It just doesn't make sense.

[@popojaga7312]

As m+ player, no dude they are balancing it around for raid mostly hence considered meta picks in m+ still get buffs sometimes, cause their raid ST is 5% below

[@andrecardoso6941]

Some rogues were doing really good dmg but you have to take into account what makes rogues strong isn't their dmg but their ability to control the game. They only do dmg on setups the rest of the time they have to spend most of their time peeling for their team mates.

[@Piercett-nb7iv]

@@andrecardoso6941 they picked that only for control but look at every kill in Boomkin rogue setups they probably land a dispatch in whole kill logs. they did Nerf the Outlaw Rogue last week while it can't kill anything in solo shuffle any more why? Cuz ppl can get carried by other classes in 3s and awc. While they only land gouges and kidney and chipshot and do 40k damage.

[@user-vh8gm8yh6q]

BRO U Watched awc on youtube lmao, was 20k viwers on twitch

[@Piercett-nb7iv]

@@user-vh8gm8yh6q it had 80k viewer on KZbin but only 800 like ...

[@stockraz1246]

Wooot hpal baby! Let’s goo

[@polyrhythmz2620]

Kinda think every spec should get lowered a tier while those in S stay. The overtuned specs are WAAAAY overtuned

[@MarshallPukevoy]

Ventierlistruki!!! Hype!!

[@RJ-hm8wc]

Hpala, the last healer caster. All other healers just stand there, checking on their pizza as their ai does it all

[@Zetherior]

INB4 Blizzard cant even comprehend the problem and just resorts to nerfing damage instead.

[@StarShopping69]

Remember when DH's screamed at the top of their lungs that their spec was dead with the multiple rounds of nerfs just for them to actually not be enough?

[@im36degrees]

so everything is good now?

[@KapitanObvious]

One more thing, maybe Blizz could do something like resist to dispell of 50%(except unstable affliction) They only one love its when someone get melted durung they dispell unstables with 500k and get one shotted... Imagine you have dots with dps aroud 30-40k (on one target). And they god dispelled all the time. That similar if you played and you ane cast or melee spells are missed everyone 2nd time... that is just not fun. I think I need try demo. But I think no one give a cast again... You cant just cast. Palas\DK\DH\MONKS\Ferals\Warriors\Rogues\(even some casters Boomkins) just sit on you

[@791005a]

Can you do a tier list for the 1400 ladder?

[@danieltsmoke]

We need a better ambassador for someone of our skillset. Maybe clunkydoo, or arrowassassin?

[@dompit9535]

preservation OP

[@Gerritson]

Holy more op

[@paulrichter1846]

i cant see augmentations ^^ on which tier is it?

[@pharmztko]

Not on there but it’s F

[@starcraft2zone]

Arcane, fury, arms, and feral all need to be in B imo… sure played by a pro they are A in potential but everyday in the later they aren’t very good on average. Like a noob can log on a ret or evoker and pump, at do that with some of the other classes on A tier

[@rpgking92]

just "pumping" is not enough you are not taking into account a classes whole kit, sure evoker "pumps" but has weak defensive and 1 crowd control on a 15 sec cooldown???, 25 yard range. The difference between a good ret and a bad ret is night and day, good rest sanc, sacrifice bop, off heal at the right times. etc

[@-_-_UNivErSe_-_-]

Ye, Arcane and Feral are great only if played by a pro - 100% agree! Fury is NEVER ever better than WW or in any way close to A-tier. I don't know why people think a dmg buff changes any of the problems the class has. It got ZERO changes as far as the mobility/getting kited problems are concerned - so maximum B-tier for Fury - except in maybe a very special comp that keeps you mobile enough it could see it B+

[@pharmztko]

Specs should be ranked by their full potential.. it’s stupid to rank something by how a noob that doesn’t use any buttons plays it lmao

[@wideout7838]

@@-_-_UNivErSe_-_-windwalker has way more problems getting kites than fury does lol that’s certainly not the problem

[@willbarry77]

yo ven, can you make another video talking about how rewards for healers need to be better? I'm 42-14, 75% win rate in solo shuffle, have 3-0'd lobbies and other healer leaves and I haven't even broken 1800, at 1719. Feel like blizzard is gatekeeping healers to get them to play more. Last lobby I went 5-1 and gained 30 rating, 1 dps got +33 for 4-2 and another got +70 rating for 4-2. Why am i getting less rating for performing the best in lobby? Edit: when i perform similarly on a dps i would be well beyond 1800. I keep bringing up the 1800 mark because I am a casual player now and aim for ~1800 rating for elite sets that I like.

[@josearaya1255]

mmr system is broken AF .. I feel you .. if you win 4-2 you gain +6 raiting .. if you lose 2-4 you lose +30 raiting it’s just ridiculous as healer .. I’m just queue in order to farm conquest and gear my other classes (nothing else to look for in SS) just a bad system that is not worth thinking 💭 about it 👍

[@tdaddy90]

venruki u on target son

[@CaledonianCraft]

Holy and Sham are S-tier. Pres is A-tier. That how I would place the top 3 healers personally but it is fairly subjective.

[@WhiteJacob007]

I know there will always be a Meta Spec, I just hate that lately I can’t bring myself to play it because it’s a chicken…

[@1refi]

Sub rogue is not a b spec and im a warlock main. That spec is literally one of the worst specs in the game for pvp now.

[@Bloody123Knuckles]

Thank you

[@donaldpeace]

Survival hunter is def not lower than other hunter specs. Representation doesn't speak for survival imo. But I'm fine with it. Buff them up son!!!

[@kadov3579]

True, I'm a surv OTP, I'm 2200 and I'm not even trying to climb, 2400 this season easy. Go ahead and buff me please. :D

[@keegantomik4203]

Could litterally take the top half of A and move it to b, and all of B to c, and its a better tier list.

[@Slammy555]

Shouldn't the average be C?

[@Vic-qp1gk]

So that I'm gathering here is that boomy needs a nerf in something. Or buff the 0 rep specs slightly

[@TheRednet91]

I'm seeing more augmentation evoker but it's not on the list

[@joeydes9666]

I personally would put frost dk higher. Hella good rn

[@Drokys]

?

[@joeydes9666]

@@Drokys what?

[@roo2127]

The representation in AWC was never in doubt. Exactly the way I thought it would be minus a few arms warrior attempts. Sad. Well, not much to say. It is what it is I guess without saying anything obvious or negative. (Shrug)

[@jaded-harper]

so glad I quit pvping at begin of df lmao. feels good playing pve and them actually somewhat designing/balancing the game around it =)

[@theriversexperience9383]

Should have started with a blank list and then compared them.

[@luisaleman3732]

was doing some wsg and had a 4 man grp of boomkins just space laser our team all the way to our graveyard they just farmed us tell they won. dont even get me started on ret pallys

[@alexwells8487]

fury over arms??

[@pharmztko]

Yes

[@cypher0124]

ive checked out of dragonflight. Ill try cataclysm pvp. War within looks awful as well.

[@iridiumvalkyrie9017]

Back when frost death knight was relevant!

[@iridiumvalkyrie9017]

Frost death knight is buried under the snow throughout an entire expansion. Ugh.

[@ItsBarnabyJones]

It’s pathetic that people are forced to play what’s meta in this game instead of what they actually want to play because blizzard won’t balance classes in pvp. If you don’t play what’s meta then you struggle all season. This is what this game has turned into is, what’s the best meta and who’s on top, then everyone rolls those classes, then blizzard nerfs them because “they are to strong” just because they see people playing the crap out those classes . It’s a never ending cycle that blizzard can’t seem to get away from.

[@johnboyer9176]

Enhance C. Sin S. Fury/Arms can't share a tier. Rest looks solid. Ret edging on S.

[@meta3323]

Balance- Cyclone DH- AoE stun, imrpison, ST stun Outlaw- many cc Ret- Stun, blind, bubble Assass- many cc Unh DK- Two interrupts, stun, pet stun, pet kick, 2 grips All the high meta classes have tons of CC and micro CC. The meta is CC and how many instant cast abilities/spells you have. Plus mobility is a bonus. What a shitty non fun PvP state. I love watching my character die after suffering 15 seconds of back to back CC while they pound my DPS into the floor.

[@CarTboy14]

I played during the start of dragon flight and season 1 then quit . Sounds like the meta hasn't changed, except balance dudu gotten stronger

[@JB-rb3jk]

Sounds like you need to get out of the 1500 bracket

[@andrecardoso6941]

If you getting CC'd for 15 seconds straight while your DPS gets pounded into the floor your DPS and yourself aren't playing that well. I mean that can happen in 1 or 2 comps but even then there's ways to avoid CC and ur dps should also help you avoid getting CC'd.

[@andrecardoso6941]

@@CarTboy14 but hey MOP gets talked as the best PvP expansion of all time and MOP was the first expansion where they introduced a shit ton of instant micro CC. People just love to hate. These AWC have been really fun to watch I just wish there was some more balance instead of watching the same classes dominate the game all the time.

[@meta3323]

@andrecardoso6941 I'm mainly talking from a perspective of Solo Shuffle. When I'm with the boys in actual 3s it's a bit easier when you got teammates to help look out for you.

[@hiroki_rinn]

Mah poor Destro spec! 🤣😭

[@weirdodude1173]

#FreeHpal

[@matviia]

Where Aug

[@pharmztko]

In the garbage can

[@Huckle_Billy]

Idk bro, all you got to do is sit the boomy and he has to stay in bear doing no dps the entire game

[@jcemocion812]

Where is aug evoker

[@user-vh8gm8yh6q]

was only a bad dream, they never existed

[@Paul-zh2jp]

seeing so much of the meta come down to cc is annoying. i think all cc should dr each other and classes be tuned around that. the setup specs can still cross cc, but no one should lose control of their character / be silenced / slowed for more than 10 total seconds. overwatch has a similar issue and needs cc dr. blizzard designers are just obsessed with allowing players to make another player's experience miserable

[@Unforgivelawl]

that change would be the death of pvp and would turn pvp into even more pve than its already is. We neet to get back to longer cc that is hardcasted (sheeps, fears etc., clone can stay how it is) . Or just remove all/most micro cc and let casted cc how it is now

[@tcplaya2882]

Blizzard has done a phenomenal job when it comes to balancing this expansion…… smfh 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@jugobetrugo7213]

This Tier List is clearly not for every bracket. Disc can be A Tier without a problem...

[@koenemad]

Having enhance in the same tier as Destro, Fire, and SP is one of the most cooked things I’ve seen in awhile lmao. Representation on ladder and in tourneys is terrible.

[@diorbifocals1039]

Why buff fury and not arms that is so troll lmao

[@FCBcubano]

Arcane and frost are nore b teir these day's. And outlaw is more a or b. Enhance and feral can be d

[@KapitanObvious]

I have better times as Ele shaman that affli lock. Weird times :D

[@Altruistic-General]

Fewer ele playing now, it’s not as popular as it was in s1/s2. Kinda sucks because I struggle to close games out solo without ascendance procs. I preferred the stormkeeper setup s1/s2 build because you had kill power once every minute :/

[@gianttvcontroller]

Feral is definitely B tier

[@GrimmRanger-Thrall]

frost DK is way better then C tier

[@starcraft2zone]

Warr mage is a “good comp” when the mage is an ex blizzcon champion. When average players play that comp it’s nothing scary.

[@maagi1]

Nothing is scary if bad players are playing.

[@Beamin439]

why are non warlock players so delusional about affliction lmao. patch 642 in a row of every non lock thinking aff will be S/A tier only for it to be F tier again.

[@peterman8848]

It was A tier in season 3

[@grantx6]

accidentally dispell one row of dots and took 860k immediately

[@Beamin439]

@@peterman8848 no it wasnt. assassin rogue was.

[@Lacertos]

Eh, I mained Affliction in Season 3, and I had absolutely no problem.

[@Beamin439]

@@Lacertos link character

[@derrickhead]

Na venruki how you not gonna bring up pvp mmr to that pvp dude you did a interview with you let that old man bring it up

[@xSadalx]

Keeping pres-evok S, above Resto Shaman which out performs it in every way, and also isn’t directly countered by the most popular cast (moonkin) is copium. Also… nerf moonkin. Class is boring as FUCK to watch. Run around in bear form, cyclone, and still tops meters. Boring…

[@kadov3579]

I'm a surv main, surv is def better than mm and bm at 2200 just because my damage is instant and does really good DMG, I only get beat out by DH and sometimes ret and my cc is really good, I can set up goes on my own with scatter trap stun. I can shut down casters and kite melee pretty easy, i think for some people it's a skill issue tbh.

[@wideout7838]

Surv isnt better than MM by virtue of absolutely flopping to the majority of the good and great classes especially melees. All the other Hunter specs do everything you said too but much safer and output their damage from range while kiting and MMs damage is just as good

[@maagi1]

Every hunter spec has scatter, trap and stun. MM and BM have better kick than survi.

[@truth4727]

Pres evoker should be dropped down to A tier since boomy counters it and everyone is playing boomy. Shaman and Holy Priest are S tier

[@nathanieljohnson5908]

I've never had any issues against boomy on my pres evoker

[@truth4727]

@@nathanieljohnson5908 the root beam is a counter.

[@nathanieljohnson5908]

@truth4727 obsidian scales makes you immune to interrupt effects and you could always trinket the root

[@truth4727]

@@nathanieljohnson5908 yup but it still cost a global to dispel yourself then save or fly heal. And we all know what can happen in a global just ask The Move

[@nathanieljohnson5908]

@@truth4727 true

[@prdgmshft9107]

All this proves is what every pvp’er already knew and why that interview got flamed so hard. For what it’s worth I’d like to draw that distinction but come on u have to know how toxic PvPers are, then you take an inter with well known player and then have no real answer for some mid tier questions u have to have some kind of notion that would be asked of you to answer. Do you not have a cell phone?

[@BeastMastery]

Queue simulator

[@StrobeFireStudios]

zero ferals, zero enhancement, zero warriors. this meta is so fucking boring man. why cant blizzard make these sub-optimal classes OPTIMAL? lets have some fun. lets change the meta. lets actually see an enhancement shaman wielding a 2 handed axe again. lets see a feral bleeding people as oppressively as a boomie. lets see those Condemn spamming warriors back to business. im sick and tired of seeing fucking demon hunters and rogues shitting on everyone with impunity.

[@Primal_Echo]

Frost DK is not memey lmao It was played as the 4th best spec in AWC. Ur crazy.

[@maagi1]

People trolling in AWC means nothing and I'm pretty sure I didn't see frost dk in finals lol

[@Primal_Echo]

@@maagi1 no, but it was the 4th most played spec inside of the overall tournament... The finals were DH/Ret/Rsham v DH/Boomy/Rsham.

[@maagi1]

@@Primal_Echo I meant like whole final saturday/sunday. If you are talking about NA, then frost was tied with unholy, devoker and MM. And was under balance, arcane, SP, DH and outlaw. If you count EU I'm pretty sure it would be even lower.

[@jessehendrix5050]

But where is Aug evoker ?

[@StrobeFireStudios]

dead spec. no one plays it. has no identity. sadge. i thought it would be a really cool spec when it got released. zero identity means zero play

[@Altruistic-General]

@@StrobeFireStudios similar problem to Frost vs unholy DK. Devastation is super simple and the numbers are too strong right now. Augmentation is a neat concept, but wow has had plenty of “support specs” (see shaman, Pali since tbc). Aug is a one trick pony with ebon might. It should have been a melee or another tank.

[@igorzamorski4328]

How unholy is b tier if mes rank one on 3v3 and participated on awc? Ret cant do anything on higher rating

[@wideout7838]

U being up awc as if ret wasn’t in awc finals in NA and it won in EU lol

[@maagi1]

Unholy isn't in b tier tho

[@KapitanObvious]

so blizza could fix issues with root beam :D DR-CD for one on one abilities. Or nerf beam to dispell all roots. But lets say increase range.(circle) As far as I know Blizz against policy where player cant do anything. So if there is no counterplay that = OP and should be fixed

[@MauiAthletics]

Ret should be B

[@Almostoogood]

Frostmage / demo / feral should move to B tier. Are there any caster who legitimately feels like pvp is in a good place right now? I think from a caster perspective wow is not very fun. You have to juke 15 times to get a cast, after getting stuns and everything else before the kicks... its just not fun playstyle. If they are good at kicking, they cannot be juked, they just wait till you cast is at 99% and then kick... You lliterally cannot get melee off you as a caster, so there is no advantage whatsoever for being ranged as a caster(hunters dont count because they cannot be kicked). Melee have more gap closers that ranged do so they have 100% uptime usually. But don't take my word for it, go try it yourself! Meanwhile, ill be playing other games and adding to the growing Q times from lack of players... enjoy your cesspool melee lobbies!

[@-Tecky-]

Goes to show this game is fuckked

[@Acaran]

Tierlists should roughly follow a normal distribution. You could even make an S+ tier, put DH Boomie in it. S tier is Holy Priest Pres Evoker, Outlaw, Arcane. Divide DPS in a into A and B. Move DPS in B and C tier one tier down. Now you have a tierlist.

[@MrFox-hp1om]

Evoker and Holy priest are best at handling all the CC and recovering, and Disc Priest is best all around healer.

[@KapitanObvious]

Compare to warlock boomkins come way too far. They have better mobility, better dps(in most cases), easier to blast, better defences. By pressing 2 buttons everyone in dots. No need to manage dots to be aware of loosing dps(AGONY) Not sure how about in US in EU noone will give you cast spells as affli lock... you will gain cc chain non stop. I think warlock need to have agony without stacks Blizz need to something with spread dots.(why not ability that will use shard) \\ so shard + curruption = dots everywhre shard + agony dots everywhere. And IMAGINE that is still less broken that balance druid dots....

[@bertreynolds8146]

root/beam is one of the stupidest mechanics ive seen in WoW, ever. I think it might be the worst. It was like polymorph back in the day, completely busted.

[@user-vh8gm8yh6q]

thats why pple are going gnome priest for escape artist and ye i agree, the fact that pple are spending money to change clas and racial spell to counter druids says a lot (pple did the same with dark iron dwarf for assa bleeds).

[@synthesis9957]

The ruksteerrrr the rukkikiiiiii the vennnn misterrrrr the uki ven vennnnn

[@brjones27]

Ven tired of getting owned by Flark.

[@meattwinkie6208]

Affliction got nerfed not buff

[@LastTryMedia]

Such a lack of comp diversity speaks loudly to the poor balancing in PvP. Honestly. Its depressing and the reason AWC is so damn boring to watch

[@sinis9243]

Rogue is so trash like always 🤡🤪😂 I can’t believe this is the 4th expansion in a row there’s no rogues!!! Sub rogue needs to be buffed.

[@bluebeem6033]

Ven always shitting on boomys every season still he could Not get that high on uncleelliot😂

[@maagi1]

Could you?

[@shani9andri11]

4 ads on a 15 minute video, unsubbed

[@maagi1]

You are the one who chooses to watch ads lol

[@shani9andri11]

@@maagi1 give me the name of the working youtube ad blocker then i cant find one

[@know_Name]

arms warrior... i hate my life

[@lilhurricanehowell8908]

Hi first comment

[@MrZeuz666]

Rogue is always the problem. Now joined by Boomkin, I mean cyclone. Feel bad for every caster

[@dlaz90]

How is it the problem? Because the top 8 had it most represented? All rogue specs have been nerfed

[@MrZeuz666]

@@dlaz90 Rogue has been the problem since 2004

[@dlaz90]

@@MrZeuz666 oh you're one of those

[@MrZeuz666]

@@dlaz90 Brainiacs yep

[@13samfootball]

L take 'bud'

[@wraith9166]

lazy tier list. would have preferred if you start one from scratch.

[@predragdodic5761]

I am so happy that i fanally stopped playing this shitty game, fcking Blizzard and wow devs just lost their minds completely...

[@sampur2]

lol how is outlaw s-tier you mean assasin

[@dlaz90]

They both just got nerfed, and they hit like wet noodles lmao

[@lukabozic5]

Outlaw hits like my guardian druid this patch

[@wetlettuce69420]

god meta is boring

[@dabiun7443]

LOL FIRE MAGE B TIER AHAHAHHA MAN THIS DUDE DEOSNT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY? i am main mage 3.2k xp rank 1 , and im 100% sure that fire mage is at least A+

[@maagi1]

sure you are

[@dabiun7443]

@@maagi1 ya don't cry about it 🥰

[@pegmeasap7433]

This exact low effort garbage video has been made how many times? We get it bud, DH good feral bad. Wah wah wah.

[@maagi1]

He placed feral in A tier tho

[@Tuberoth]

tierlist but more than 50% is in A and S. lmao

[@karlbeinhauer83]

Ww and ret s tier