Big issue with this is diminishing returns. Attack will scale better than crit damage because as we push to 90, we have no more sources of crit damage but we will be gaining consistent amounts of attack. Now, you would think this actually benefits Verdant Summit more, but it actually doesn't. EDIT: Initial calculations are wrong, see reply chain. --However, Lustrous Razor should deal higher damage if your crit damage substats are more significant than your flat attack/attack % substats by a good margin, while Verdant Summit will deal higher damage in all other attacks, essentially creating either no gap or a negligible gap so long as your crit rate is high enough for Verdant Summit. However, I would like to stress that getting multiple dupes of 5 star limited banner weapon is hard, whereas given Kurogame's history, and the way the standard weapon banner works, getting r5 Lustrous Razor is both feasible and very likely for many players, and is without a doubt the best option at every rank over rank 1. Also, this isn't taking into account dodge attacks at all, just the standard calcharo rotation. If you do ANY dodge attacks the gap between lustrous and verdant grows incredibly, so much that Lustrous is always sitting very far above Verdant Summit. TL;DR: Verdant summit>Lustrous Razor marginally at r1. At r2 Lustrous Razor is so strong, that you need r3 Verdant summit to only be very slightly ahead of R2 Lustrous Razor. At r4 Lustrous Razor you are slightly ahead of Verdant Summit r5. At r5 Lustrous Razor, Verdant Summit r5 is significantly less damage
@hogbeancreamyt52952 ай бұрын
Whoa thanks for this insight, he should pin you for this, I'm really debating if pulling for weapon on limited is worth it, when I'm planning to pull for yinling, i read this and I'll use free pulls to the razor thanks so much
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
@@hogbeancreamyt5295 Let me give you the accurate calculation and you can decide what to believe. Calcharo Lvl90 Base Attack: 437 Lustrous Razor/Verdant Summit Lvl90 Base Attack: 587 Total: 1024 Base Attack (Not 1100) Attack from main stat echoes: 36% Attack from 1 sub stat: 5.2%-15% Crit DMG from 1 sub stat: 9.8% -20.4% Flat ATK from 1 sub stat: 20 - 70 Calcharo CRIT DMG: 1.66 (+0.16 from his Forte) Elemental DMG: 100% = 60% (Echoes) + 40% (Void Thunder) LR Secondary Stat: 36.4% ATK VS Secondary Stat: 48.6% Crit DMG Lustrous Razor ATK with no sub stats: 1024 + 1024 * (0.36+0.364) + 350 = 2116 Verdant Summit ATK with no sub stats: 1024 + 1024 * (0.36) + 350 = 1743 No Sub Stats: LR * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2116 * 100% * 166% = 7023 VS * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 1743 * 112% * 214.6% = 7928 Max ATK Sub Stat Calcharo Total ATK w LR: 2116 + (1024 * 5 * 0.15) = 2883 Calcharo Total ATK w VS: 1743 + (1024 * 5 * 0.15) = 2511 LR * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2883 * 100% * 166% = 9573 VS * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2511 * 100% * 214.6% = 11422 Max Crit DMG Sub Stat LR * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2116 * 100% * (166% + 5 * 20.4%) = 11388 VS * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 1743 * 100% * (214.6% + 5 * 20.4%) = 11696 Max ATK & Crit DMG Sub Stat LR * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2883 * 100% * (166% + 5 * 20.4%) = 15455 VS * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2511 * 100% * (214.6% + 5 * 20.4%) = 16851 Max ATK & Crit DMG & Flat ATK Sub Stat Calcharo Total ATK w LR: 2883 + (5 * 70) = 3233 Calcharo Total ATK w VS: 2511 + (5 * 70) = 2861 LR * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 3233 * 100% * (166% + 5 * 20.4%) = 17331 VS * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2861 * 100% * (214.6% + 5 * 20.4%) = 19200 As you can see, more atk% and flat atk makes verdant summit widen the gap above lustrous razor. Lustrous razor only catches up when there is Crit DMG and no attack bonus. You can add your dmg bonuses (21% liberation, 48% heavy atk) to the mix. Maybe one attack will be higher, but not for the entire combo. You need heavy atk + skill to proc Void thunder alone. And when you multiply your dmg bonuses, make sure you multiply them before your final dmg, only DMG Deepen applies to the end of your damage. Here is the official Kuro Games database for Calcharos BiS: wiki.kurobbs.com/mc/item/1242295483584421888
@zaahruq2 ай бұрын
@hogbeancreamyt5295 yup that was like a youtube video in short format of information. Thanks for the info. Im using the battle pass weapon as the pulls reminde of HSR where you have to be within 10 pulls of pity to get the desired pull. Lll
@Kizen.2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA Wouldn't the 21% be better overall during deathblade gearstate which, on top of the higher attack pushes it higher? I'm factoring this in, and it should be higher. also i think i found an error in the VS calculations. I think you're adding the 12% damage bonus at all times. I did the math at your labeled 100% elemental damage bonus and tried 2x instead and the math doesn't come out right. It only comes out to the same values at 112% or 2.12x. Which would imply the 12% resonance damage bonus is being applied likely unintentionally. So is this a mistake or purposeful misinformation? Also, the 21% bonus from the liberation bonus damage values is significantly higher. So given that the liberation damage is the significant majority of his damage and the highest overall values I think the overall damage parses should be higher. I'll test it out using a the full Deathblade Gearstate all hits calculation to see.
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
@@Kizen. Firstly, flat ATK is not base ATK, which is why you have 1450 base attack in your initial calculation, instead of 1100 like you suggested. Which is how you got +1131 ATK. The base attack is 1024, you cannot add flat attack to base attack then multiply atk%. You add the flat atk afterwards. Secondly, resonance bonus from verdant is elemental damage bonus, which you can see when you look at your stats when it is equipped.
@jethbodi46482 ай бұрын
Finally been waiting for this! Thank you so much for the efforty comparing this two.
@mdubbgaming2 ай бұрын
The video I been waiting for! Thanks for creating this.
@chicken700221 күн бұрын
I wish they just gave him a signature weapon of his own. Like a Sephirot-like weapon since he looks like him and fights like him.
@maxlastbreath2 ай бұрын
Lustrous razor passive is translated wrongly in EN, it can get 3 stacks and not 2. Btw It's 5% better than Verdant Summit with this in mind
@jhontan22552 ай бұрын
No way really??? And they let that go on???? No one's complaining for the misinformation????
@Enforcer9012 ай бұрын
@@jhontan2255this game have a lot of simps sadly that keep on defending this game. So expect more mediocrity translation from Kuro.
@KurosawaDaichi1322 ай бұрын
maybe they will fix it on the next update
@touchedme16372 ай бұрын
@@Enforcer901 Has absolutely nothing to do with anything relevant, bffr.
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas2 ай бұрын
I already have Verdant Summit but I don't want to remove it from Jiyan. I need that Lustrous Razor for my Calcharo coz it looks cool and ER is also important, I can invest in crR and other types of damage boosting stats on my echoes.
@dagoxy2 ай бұрын
Big waste just use the verdant on him dude, you should get a different 5 star weapon to cover more characters instead of getting a 2nd Claymore just because you dont want to swap weapon
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas2 ай бұрын
@@dagoxy I already got the Lustrous Razor in 8 pulls. I'm gonna pick the 5* gun as my free weapon when I get to UL45.🙂
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas2 ай бұрын
@@dagoxy Bro did you receive my reply to you? It's always getting deleted.
@mypenanceisover2 ай бұрын
me too bro, VS better be used for Jiyan only . imma just grab that lustrous razor cause it looks cool on calcharo, and i'll have 2 cool characters with 2 cool broadblades
@More_tefi2 ай бұрын
I use Discord 4* and it's surprisingly comfy lol. I dunno about it's calculation, but I think I easily ready Cal's ult with 1 combo
@qamerpulikal19872 ай бұрын
keep up the videos bro
@currentlyvibing99162 ай бұрын
I just got verdant summit because it’ll work with any future greatsword user, I seem to like those ones more than the shortsword users
@ImmortaIWisdom2 ай бұрын
Could you please compare the damage between a 4 and 5 star weapon so everyone can see the difference?
@niedrzyjsietak2 ай бұрын
Do you think there will be more characters in the future who will be able to utilise VS?
@ArJay16882 ай бұрын
Yes if they scale with crate and relies more on heavy atk dmg like how JiYan is and does
@mrafkys40862 ай бұрын
ill just gonna spend my resources on YinLin, and dump the rest on verdant summit
@ImmortaIWisdom2 ай бұрын
YOU are just so damn perfect my man, oh my dear god, every second of this video was perfect. I wish you get rich from these videos so you can spam some more exactly like this. I'm forever following you
@vtrtg1022 ай бұрын
:v
@FuRyHate2 ай бұрын
I'm using verdant because i got it under 20 pulls and i love it , its quite good but im suffing frpm crit rate . feelsbadman
@Max-ks5rq2 ай бұрын
I just went with verdant because LR looks so goofy 😭
@ArJay16882 ай бұрын
Same. Lol
@Max-ks5rq2 ай бұрын
@@ArJay1688 no one can tell me LR doesn't look goofy,it looks so bad on calcharo
@pedroffline2 ай бұрын
Sephiroth demands a katana!
@Max-ks5rq2 ай бұрын
@@pedroffline he needs it! Anyone who uses lr on calcharo is considered as an opp
@tumato55642 ай бұрын
what about the battlepass crit rate weapon for calcharo
@Hemmorhage2 ай бұрын
This
@aveteranweeb41882 ай бұрын
It's definitely good if you need extra crit rate which we really need cuz we dont have jack shit for crit in the beginning
@Rejjis2 ай бұрын
@@aveteranweeb4188someone made a vid about a really powerful Cal that has a 99% and his dmg is insane. But it's all luck based because his dmg is from liberation... Which is Cals main stuff.
@BeBiNMOTOVLOG2 ай бұрын
i saw some youtuber using this his crit is 98% using that claymore 24 cr i think
@Hemmorhage2 ай бұрын
@@BeBiNMOTOVLOG can i get a link to that
@ankitjadhav67752 ай бұрын
thanks a lot fr !!, i got lucky and got jiyans weapon in 3 Pulls right after getting the free 4* broadsword in sea of flames. already feeling good that Verdant Summit is overall superior for Kakarot. he will do even better with sanhua and verina as support.
@ArJay16882 ай бұрын
I just got lucky that i got two VS in my first ten pull in the weapon banner for my JiYan. I gave the other to Calcharo. And Calcharo was my first 5* and also my first pull in JiYan's banner. Glad to see that it's almost on par with or if not better than LS with the right amts of crate and ER.
@oopzMLBB2 ай бұрын
Really??😂😂
@mcgeiler39152 ай бұрын
pro tip: combine the two VS into one. You can just switch them between calcharo and Jiyan if you need to like in the tower for example
@MrBrannew202 ай бұрын
Lucky for me I have the 5 star broad sword for my Cal. Haven't pulled the weapon for my Jiyan but I think I will
@nitogame2 ай бұрын
Verdant Summit apparently doesn't work on Calcharo and the weapons description was mistranslated. JP especially is furious.
@eidalonsfather42392 ай бұрын
yeah but jp bros are already happy about the refund very sad about the mistake hope they get a permanent good translator rather than using google translate
@nitogame2 ай бұрын
@@eidalonsfather4239 Oh? They got refunds? I thought it was just the 160 everyone got.
@eidalonsfather42392 ай бұрын
@@nitogame that was for the text beside if they did not do the refund law suit are coming but i was the dev i will make the weapon to how the weapon on how the mistranslation work that way jp bros are happy and more people will get the weapon and they keep the money rather than refunding but thats just my point of view maybe changing the weapons intended function may cause more gamebreaking result.
@eidalonsfather42392 ай бұрын
@@nitogame i think they announce the refund aroun 5-6 hours ago
@emberFC2 ай бұрын
@@eidalonsfather4239Anddd they aren’t even doing a “refund”. Just told them to refund through google pay or whatever they paid through, and their Wuwa account will go negative in astrite and lose the first time purchase bonus 😭
@allanamaya5402 ай бұрын
Sephirot needs his katana
@Rawarart2 ай бұрын
i can say verdant summit is better, during his ult i can get 5-6 k without buff, and up to 10-13k with buff from other character, dealing 1,3-3k damage using normal/ heavy atk
@darnedbloom2 ай бұрын
Please please please! Make a video on Linyang build
@shoryuken882 ай бұрын
I am currently running 44111 on calcharo with summit, could you do a damage comparison 43311 vs 44111? Honestly its more efficient grinding if its within 15% damage diff
@Artileo2 ай бұрын
4311 is superior but more rng reliant
@shoryuken882 ай бұрын
I know but by how much is my question. I'm using cal with jiyan weapon with double crit rate
@musashi669732 ай бұрын
@@shoryuken88 Do 43311 with 3xATK and 3xElectroDmg or just do both 3xElectroDmg
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
I don’t have an R1 Autumntrace. The only worthwhile comparison is an R5 Autumntrace and R1 Verdant. To avoid a long and complex discussion about it, R5 Autumntrace is safer than R1 Verdant. It’s more forgiving with lower crit rate, and still produces competitive results when it does crit. Your echo setup also changes which has an impact.
@ami426-z5q2 ай бұрын
but when you look at long fights, wouldnt lustrous be a better option since calcharo can go into resonance liberation more often?
@ami426-z5q2 ай бұрын
And you really think kurogames will give sephiroth a broadblade? Come on, we all know masamune is coming with crit rate and crit damage.
@Jimmy-zu2ks2 ай бұрын
It doesn't matter. Verdant Summit looks 10x better on Calcharo than Lustrous lmao
@THE_BROK3N2 ай бұрын
Everyone pls don`t get baited. VS is actually 5% less damage then LR. Author is a bit ill-informed.
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
😂😂 go for LR then if you think so. It’s not like Kuro Games’ official db also says Verdant is better.
@THE_BROK3N2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA What are you yaping about? Go check prydwen or several CN calcs. My guy, you don t even know, that his heavy attacks inside Liberation are considered as Liberation damage. If you can t read what they say i the game, what DB checking are we talking about.
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
www.kurobbs.com/mc/home/9 oopsie @@THE_BROK3N
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
@@THE_BROK3N there is a tutorial on how to use the website on my channel - the exclusive cn rewards vid. Click on the wiki in the toolbox, go to calcharo and scroll down. Just incase you are 'ill-informed' :) thanks
@THE_BROK3N2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA It is an oopsie. Why the hell am I random commenter have to point to the brown stain on another "guidemaker" pants to show that they shat themselves. This "OFFICIAL DB" is a wiki page that can be changed by any registered user.....That s why you don`t trust them. That s why you read things before you do guides and check multiple sources. Now go to Prydwen, open Calcharo and read why VS was mistakenly taken for BiS for a few days after release and why after all the tests LR is better option.
@daviduser779Ай бұрын
Can you compare him with jinhsi's signature vs standard 5*?
@pmushroom54372 ай бұрын
The battlepass weapon gave like 64%atk on S5 @-@
@iBIackieChan2 ай бұрын
Do you think it’s worth getting dupes of VS for him?
@voxuancuong2 ай бұрын
Where can I get the spreadsheet ?
@ChamathDenuwana2 ай бұрын
Need a help, how to access character playstyle tutorial menu ?
@user-zv6yw4oh4g2 ай бұрын
This 1 sec Taoqi part...😭
@chi3fmarz2 ай бұрын
Brother based of your accent and ping are you from South Africa?
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
Yes
@chi3fmarz2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA awe can i add you im from nam but atm got no community would be nice to join 1 on the same timezone
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
@@chi3fmarz yessir
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA Are you black or are you white?
@howie35032 ай бұрын
@@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas lol
@llVoidZ2 ай бұрын
I have 2 verdant weapons, is it worth refining it or keeping both individually?
@JMike-bq6rl2 ай бұрын
2 characters using Verdant is better than refining it.
@Yoinkqiqi2 ай бұрын
got verdant summit in first 10 pulls isshhh
@joshuamoua92262 ай бұрын
What about the autumn trace from the battle pass? I want the pistol so im not getting the lustrous razor and when i hit 45 union im probably getting the sword for its crit value. Is the autumn trace good or no?
@ArJay16882 ай бұрын
It's better actually when R5.
@emberFC2 ай бұрын
@@ArJay1688Not true anymore with newer knowledge. R5 Autumntrace is 8% less damage than Lustrous Razor; 5% less than Verdant Summit.
@NileDuers2 ай бұрын
VS is better, the reason is simple: it have tons of crit damage I tried to combo with Verina and Sanhua and the dmg output from the Outro skill + echoes and that makes my Kakarot Liberation is around 10~11k at the start and easy to kill all bosses around 20sec or less (except for the turtle because of the waiting time)
@nade_s92202 ай бұрын
How do you unlock the recipe for jinzou mocai?
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
Chef Lvl 5 - you’ll see your level in the cooking screen
@nade_s92202 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA oh hell no…
@heck85982 ай бұрын
@@nade_s9220that was my EXACT reaction when I found out too😭🙏
@nayakar79572 ай бұрын
can you make havoc rover
@nhazulkimonalos98952 ай бұрын
So in summary Lustrous Razor > VS? Or vice versa?
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
Verdant Summit if you are going to invest in getting high crit rate. (Best) If not, Lustrous with high ER & low CR. (2nd Best)
@botcchidotcchi2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA the VS heavy attack bonus is basically useless for Calcharo right? Because during the ult, his damage considered Liberation
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
Only his casting dmg and death messenger is Liberation DMG, hounds roar is basic attack dmg
@botcchidotcchi2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA so you meant this basic attack hounds roar also count as heavy attack?
@Otterton882 ай бұрын
@@botcchidotcchi The only heavy attack damage he does is with his forte heavy outside of liberation. Everything else is either liberation DMG or basic attack damage. VS is a horrible pick for calcharo it's nothing more then a stat stick. BP weapon and standard banner are better in every way
@kerrowenpalma96342 ай бұрын
Is this normal? I got verdant summit in first draw and its a new account and new to this game
@duongai55072 ай бұрын
Yes
@cathetic1012 ай бұрын
Is 44111 better than 43311 for VS?
@tenka5112 ай бұрын
No 43311 is better
@yutxro_oni2 ай бұрын
Early gang❤
@KeViNaNoViC2 ай бұрын
Hey buddy i was lucky and pulled LR in 2 Pulls 😅 i tryed to farm the Memphis echo but after killing it 80x + i was not be able to get Crit rate ... also im sitting currently on only 20% with maxed out legendary echos.. im actually not sure what to so at this point i feel like going for crit is not worth it for me becouse i dont get good Numbers anyway with LR😅 what do u think?
@SidneymarZA2 ай бұрын
I think CR main stat echoes have low drop chance, but I have quite a few of them. I use both mephis bosses on CR for Calcharo with 3 ATK% 1 cost echoes. You can keep the 5pc void thunder that way, which lingyang and encore cannot do yet. Keep trying, the CR will eventually come. Calcharo is much better with crit. I had a hard time getting a CR for Jiyan and my first CR monke was from the hologram rewards.
@MefoWho2 ай бұрын
i think you did smthing wrong to not get a single crit rate in 80 kills
@KeViNaNoViC2 ай бұрын
@@MefoWho what can i do wrong sir? i kill the boss and loot :) i got 13x Crit Damage but never crit rate
@MefoWho2 ай бұрын
@@KeViNaNoViC it is what it is. You can say youre lucky if you think the other way xd
@KeViNaNoViC2 ай бұрын
@@MefoWho i mean i was actually with the Weapon,pulled a legy weapon with 2orbs 😂