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VERDANT SUMMIT vs LUSTROUS RAZOR Calcharo 5 Star Weapon Guide! In Wuthering Waves

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Sidneymar

Sidneymar

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@Kizen.
@Kizen. 2 ай бұрын
Big issue with this is diminishing returns. Attack will scale better than crit damage because as we push to 90, we have no more sources of crit damage but we will be gaining consistent amounts of attack. Now, you would think this actually benefits Verdant Summit more, but it actually doesn't. EDIT: Initial calculations are wrong, see reply chain. --However, Lustrous Razor should deal higher damage if your crit damage substats are more significant than your flat attack/attack % substats by a good margin, while Verdant Summit will deal higher damage in all other attacks, essentially creating either no gap or a negligible gap so long as your crit rate is high enough for Verdant Summit. However, I would like to stress that getting multiple dupes of 5 star limited banner weapon is hard, whereas given Kurogame's history, and the way the standard weapon banner works, getting r5 Lustrous Razor is both feasible and very likely for many players, and is without a doubt the best option at every rank over rank 1. Also, this isn't taking into account dodge attacks at all, just the standard calcharo rotation. If you do ANY dodge attacks the gap between lustrous and verdant grows incredibly, so much that Lustrous is always sitting very far above Verdant Summit. TL;DR: Verdant summit>Lustrous Razor marginally at r1. At r2 Lustrous Razor is so strong, that you need r3 Verdant summit to only be very slightly ahead of R2 Lustrous Razor. At r4 Lustrous Razor you are slightly ahead of Verdant Summit r5. At r5 Lustrous Razor, Verdant Summit r5 is significantly less damage
@hogbeancreamyt5295
@hogbeancreamyt5295 2 ай бұрын
Whoa thanks for this insight, he should pin you for this, I'm really debating if pulling for weapon on limited is worth it, when I'm planning to pull for yinling, i read this and I'll use free pulls to the razor thanks so much
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
@@hogbeancreamyt5295 Let me give you the accurate calculation and you can decide what to believe. Calcharo Lvl90 Base Attack: 437 Lustrous Razor/Verdant Summit Lvl90 Base Attack: 587 Total: 1024 Base Attack (Not 1100) Attack from main stat echoes: 36% Attack from 1 sub stat: 5.2%-15% Crit DMG from 1 sub stat: 9.8% -20.4% Flat ATK from 1 sub stat: 20 - 70 Calcharo CRIT DMG: 1.66 (+0.16 from his Forte) Elemental DMG: 100% = 60% (Echoes) + 40% (Void Thunder) LR Secondary Stat: 36.4% ATK VS Secondary Stat: 48.6% Crit DMG Lustrous Razor ATK with no sub stats: 1024 + 1024 * (0.36+0.364) + 350 = 2116 Verdant Summit ATK with no sub stats: 1024 + 1024 * (0.36) + 350 = 1743 No Sub Stats: LR * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2116 * 100% * 166% = 7023 VS * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 1743 * 112% * 214.6% = 7928 Max ATK Sub Stat Calcharo Total ATK w LR: 2116 + (1024 * 5 * 0.15) = 2883 Calcharo Total ATK w VS: 1743 + (1024 * 5 * 0.15) = 2511 LR * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2883 * 100% * 166% = 9573 VS * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2511 * 100% * 214.6% = 11422 Max Crit DMG Sub Stat LR * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2116 * 100% * (166% + 5 * 20.4%) = 11388 VS * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 1743 * 100% * (214.6% + 5 * 20.4%) = 11696 Max ATK & Crit DMG Sub Stat LR * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2883 * 100% * (166% + 5 * 20.4%) = 15455 VS * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2511 * 100% * (214.6% + 5 * 20.4%) = 16851 Max ATK & Crit DMG & Flat ATK Sub Stat Calcharo Total ATK w LR: 2883 + (5 * 70) = 3233 Calcharo Total ATK w VS: 2511 + (5 * 70) = 2861 LR * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 3233 * 100% * (166% + 5 * 20.4%) = 17331 VS * Elemental DMG * Crit DMG = 2861 * 100% * (214.6% + 5 * 20.4%) = 19200 As you can see, more atk% and flat atk makes verdant summit widen the gap above lustrous razor. Lustrous razor only catches up when there is Crit DMG and no attack bonus. You can add your dmg bonuses (21% liberation, 48% heavy atk) to the mix. Maybe one attack will be higher, but not for the entire combo. You need heavy atk + skill to proc Void thunder alone. And when you multiply your dmg bonuses, make sure you multiply them before your final dmg, only DMG Deepen applies to the end of your damage. Here is the official Kuro Games database for Calcharos BiS: wiki.kurobbs.com/mc/item/1242295483584421888
@zaahruq
@zaahruq 2 ай бұрын
​@hogbeancreamyt5295 yup that was like a youtube video in short format of information. Thanks for the info. Im using the battle pass weapon as the pulls reminde of HSR where you have to be within 10 pulls of pity to get the desired pull. Lll
@Kizen.
@Kizen. 2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA Wouldn't the 21% be better overall during deathblade gearstate which, on top of the higher attack pushes it higher? I'm factoring this in, and it should be higher. also i think i found an error in the VS calculations. I think you're adding the 12% damage bonus at all times. I did the math at your labeled 100% elemental damage bonus and tried 2x instead and the math doesn't come out right. It only comes out to the same values at 112% or 2.12x. Which would imply the 12% resonance damage bonus is being applied likely unintentionally. So is this a mistake or purposeful misinformation? Also, the 21% bonus from the liberation bonus damage values is significantly higher. So given that the liberation damage is the significant majority of his damage and the highest overall values I think the overall damage parses should be higher. I'll test it out using a the full Deathblade Gearstate all hits calculation to see.
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
@@Kizen. Firstly, flat ATK is not base ATK, which is why you have 1450 base attack in your initial calculation, instead of 1100 like you suggested. Which is how you got +1131 ATK. The base attack is 1024, you cannot add flat attack to base attack then multiply atk%. You add the flat atk afterwards. Secondly, resonance bonus from verdant is elemental damage bonus, which you can see when you look at your stats when it is equipped.
@jethbodi4648
@jethbodi4648 2 ай бұрын
Finally been waiting for this! Thank you so much for the efforty comparing this two.
@mdubbgaming
@mdubbgaming 2 ай бұрын
The video I been waiting for! Thanks for creating this.
@chicken7002
@chicken7002 21 күн бұрын
I wish they just gave him a signature weapon of his own. Like a Sephirot-like weapon since he looks like him and fights like him.
@maxlastbreath
@maxlastbreath 2 ай бұрын
Lustrous razor passive is translated wrongly in EN, it can get 3 stacks and not 2. Btw It's 5% better than Verdant Summit with this in mind
@jhontan2255
@jhontan2255 2 ай бұрын
No way really??? And they let that go on???? No one's complaining for the misinformation????
@Enforcer901
@Enforcer901 2 ай бұрын
​@@jhontan2255this game have a lot of simps sadly that keep on defending this game. So expect more mediocrity translation from Kuro.
@KurosawaDaichi132
@KurosawaDaichi132 2 ай бұрын
maybe they will fix it on the next update
@touchedme1637
@touchedme1637 2 ай бұрын
​@@Enforcer901 Has absolutely nothing to do with anything relevant, bffr.
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas 2 ай бұрын
I already have Verdant Summit but I don't want to remove it from Jiyan. I need that Lustrous Razor for my Calcharo coz it looks cool and ER is also important, I can invest in crR and other types of damage boosting stats on my echoes.
@dagoxy
@dagoxy 2 ай бұрын
Big waste just use the verdant on him dude, you should get a different 5 star weapon to cover more characters instead of getting a 2nd Claymore just because you dont want to swap weapon
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas 2 ай бұрын
@@dagoxy I already got the Lustrous Razor in 8 pulls. I'm gonna pick the 5* gun as my free weapon when I get to UL45.🙂
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas 2 ай бұрын
@@dagoxy Bro did you receive my reply to you? It's always getting deleted.
@mypenanceisover
@mypenanceisover 2 ай бұрын
me too bro, VS better be used for Jiyan only . imma just grab that lustrous razor cause it looks cool on calcharo, and i'll have 2 cool characters with 2 cool broadblades
@More_tefi
@More_tefi 2 ай бұрын
I use Discord 4* and it's surprisingly comfy lol. I dunno about it's calculation, but I think I easily ready Cal's ult with 1 combo
@qamerpulikal1987
@qamerpulikal1987 2 ай бұрын
keep up the videos bro
@currentlyvibing9916
@currentlyvibing9916 2 ай бұрын
I just got verdant summit because it’ll work with any future greatsword user, I seem to like those ones more than the shortsword users
@ImmortaIWisdom
@ImmortaIWisdom 2 ай бұрын
Could you please compare the damage between a 4 and 5 star weapon so everyone can see the difference?
@niedrzyjsietak
@niedrzyjsietak 2 ай бұрын
Do you think there will be more characters in the future who will be able to utilise VS?
@ArJay1688
@ArJay1688 2 ай бұрын
Yes if they scale with crate and relies more on heavy atk dmg like how JiYan is and does
@mrafkys4086
@mrafkys4086 2 ай бұрын
ill just gonna spend my resources on YinLin, and dump the rest on verdant summit
@ImmortaIWisdom
@ImmortaIWisdom 2 ай бұрын
YOU are just so damn perfect my man, oh my dear god, every second of this video was perfect. I wish you get rich from these videos so you can spam some more exactly like this. I'm forever following you
@vtrtg102
@vtrtg102 2 ай бұрын
:v
@FuRyHate
@FuRyHate 2 ай бұрын
I'm using verdant because i got it under 20 pulls and i love it , its quite good but im suffing frpm crit rate . feelsbadman
@Max-ks5rq
@Max-ks5rq 2 ай бұрын
I just went with verdant because LR looks so goofy 😭
@ArJay1688
@ArJay1688 2 ай бұрын
Same. Lol
@Max-ks5rq
@Max-ks5rq 2 ай бұрын
@@ArJay1688 no one can tell me LR doesn't look goofy,it looks so bad on calcharo
@pedroffline
@pedroffline 2 ай бұрын
Sephiroth demands a katana!
@Max-ks5rq
@Max-ks5rq 2 ай бұрын
@@pedroffline he needs it! Anyone who uses lr on calcharo is considered as an opp
@tumato5564
@tumato5564 2 ай бұрын
what about the battlepass crit rate weapon for calcharo
@Hemmorhage
@Hemmorhage 2 ай бұрын
This
@aveteranweeb4188
@aveteranweeb4188 2 ай бұрын
It's definitely good if you need extra crit rate which we really need cuz we dont have jack shit for crit in the beginning
@Rejjis
@Rejjis 2 ай бұрын
​@@aveteranweeb4188someone made a vid about a really powerful Cal that has a 99% and his dmg is insane. But it's all luck based because his dmg is from liberation... Which is Cals main stuff.
@BeBiNMOTOVLOG
@BeBiNMOTOVLOG 2 ай бұрын
i saw some youtuber using this his crit is 98% using that claymore 24 cr i think
@Hemmorhage
@Hemmorhage 2 ай бұрын
@@BeBiNMOTOVLOG can i get a link to that
@ankitjadhav6775
@ankitjadhav6775 2 ай бұрын
thanks a lot fr !!, i got lucky and got jiyans weapon in 3 Pulls right after getting the free 4* broadsword in sea of flames. already feeling good that Verdant Summit is overall superior for Kakarot. he will do even better with sanhua and verina as support.
@ArJay1688
@ArJay1688 2 ай бұрын
I just got lucky that i got two VS in my first ten pull in the weapon banner for my JiYan. I gave the other to Calcharo. And Calcharo was my first 5* and also my first pull in JiYan's banner. Glad to see that it's almost on par with or if not better than LS with the right amts of crate and ER.
@oopzMLBB
@oopzMLBB 2 ай бұрын
Really??😂😂
@mcgeiler3915
@mcgeiler3915 2 ай бұрын
pro tip: combine the two VS into one. You can just switch them between calcharo and Jiyan if you need to like in the tower for example
@MrBrannew20
@MrBrannew20 2 ай бұрын
Lucky for me I have the 5 star broad sword for my Cal. Haven't pulled the weapon for my Jiyan but I think I will
@nitogame
@nitogame 2 ай бұрын
Verdant Summit apparently doesn't work on Calcharo and the weapons description was mistranslated. JP especially is furious.
@eidalonsfather4239
@eidalonsfather4239 2 ай бұрын
yeah but jp bros are already happy about the refund very sad about the mistake hope they get a permanent good translator rather than using google translate
@nitogame
@nitogame 2 ай бұрын
@@eidalonsfather4239 Oh? They got refunds? I thought it was just the 160 everyone got.
@eidalonsfather4239
@eidalonsfather4239 2 ай бұрын
@@nitogame that was for the text beside if they did not do the refund law suit are coming but i was the dev i will make the weapon to how the weapon on how the mistranslation work that way jp bros are happy and more people will get the weapon and they keep the money rather than refunding but thats just my point of view maybe changing the weapons intended function may cause more gamebreaking result.
@eidalonsfather4239
@eidalonsfather4239 2 ай бұрын
@@nitogame i think they announce the refund aroun 5-6 hours ago
@emberFC
@emberFC 2 ай бұрын
@@eidalonsfather4239Anddd they aren’t even doing a “refund”. Just told them to refund through google pay or whatever they paid through, and their Wuwa account will go negative in astrite and lose the first time purchase bonus 😭
@allanamaya540
@allanamaya540 2 ай бұрын
Sephirot needs his katana
@Rawarart
@Rawarart 2 ай бұрын
i can say verdant summit is better, during his ult i can get 5-6 k without buff, and up to 10-13k with buff from other character, dealing 1,3-3k damage using normal/ heavy atk
@darnedbloom
@darnedbloom 2 ай бұрын
Please please please! Make a video on Linyang build
@shoryuken88
@shoryuken88 2 ай бұрын
I am currently running 44111 on calcharo with summit, could you do a damage comparison 43311 vs 44111? Honestly its more efficient grinding if its within 15% damage diff
@Artileo
@Artileo 2 ай бұрын
4311 is superior but more rng reliant
@shoryuken88
@shoryuken88 2 ай бұрын
I know but by how much is my question. I'm using cal with jiyan weapon with double crit rate
@musashi66973
@musashi66973 2 ай бұрын
​@@shoryuken88 Do 43311 with 3xATK and 3xElectroDmg or just do both 3xElectroDmg
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
I don’t have an R1 Autumntrace. The only worthwhile comparison is an R5 Autumntrace and R1 Verdant. To avoid a long and complex discussion about it, R5 Autumntrace is safer than R1 Verdant. It’s more forgiving with lower crit rate, and still produces competitive results when it does crit. Your echo setup also changes which has an impact.
@ami426-z5q
@ami426-z5q 2 ай бұрын
but when you look at long fights, wouldnt lustrous be a better option since calcharo can go into resonance liberation more often?
@ami426-z5q
@ami426-z5q 2 ай бұрын
And you really think kurogames will give sephiroth a broadblade? Come on, we all know masamune is coming with crit rate and crit damage.
@Jimmy-zu2ks
@Jimmy-zu2ks 2 ай бұрын
It doesn't matter. Verdant Summit looks 10x better on Calcharo than Lustrous lmao
@THE_BROK3N
@THE_BROK3N 2 ай бұрын
Everyone pls don`t get baited. VS is actually 5% less damage then LR. Author is a bit ill-informed.
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
😂😂 go for LR then if you think so. It’s not like Kuro Games’ official db also says Verdant is better.
@THE_BROK3N
@THE_BROK3N 2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA What are you yaping about? Go check prydwen or several CN calcs. My guy, you don t even know, that his heavy attacks inside Liberation are considered as Liberation damage. If you can t read what they say i the game, what DB checking are we talking about.
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
www.kurobbs.com/mc/home/9 oopsie @@THE_BROK3N
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
@@THE_BROK3N there is a tutorial on how to use the website on my channel - the exclusive cn rewards vid. Click on the wiki in the toolbox, go to calcharo and scroll down. Just incase you are 'ill-informed' :) thanks
@THE_BROK3N
@THE_BROK3N 2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA It is an oopsie. Why the hell am I random commenter have to point to the brown stain on another "guidemaker" pants to show that they shat themselves. This "OFFICIAL DB" is a wiki page that can be changed by any registered user.....That s why you don`t trust them. That s why you read things before you do guides and check multiple sources. Now go to Prydwen, open Calcharo and read why VS was mistakenly taken for BiS for a few days after release and why after all the tests LR is better option.
@daviduser779
@daviduser779 Ай бұрын
Can you compare him with jinhsi's signature vs standard 5*?
@pmushroom5437
@pmushroom5437 2 ай бұрын
The battlepass weapon gave like 64%atk on S5 @-@
@iBIackieChan
@iBIackieChan 2 ай бұрын
Do you think it’s worth getting dupes of VS for him?
@voxuancuong
@voxuancuong 2 ай бұрын
Where can I get the spreadsheet ?
@ChamathDenuwana
@ChamathDenuwana 2 ай бұрын
Need a help, how to access character playstyle tutorial menu ?
@user-zv6yw4oh4g
@user-zv6yw4oh4g 2 ай бұрын
This 1 sec Taoqi part...😭
@chi3fmarz
@chi3fmarz 2 ай бұрын
Brother based of your accent and ping are you from South Africa?
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
Yes
@chi3fmarz
@chi3fmarz 2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA awe can i add you im from nam but atm got no community would be nice to join 1 on the same timezone
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
@@chi3fmarz yessir
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas
@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas 2 ай бұрын
​@@SidneymarZA Are you black or are you white?
@howie3503
@howie3503 2 ай бұрын
​@@I_Love_Plump_Grandmas lol
@llVoidZ
@llVoidZ 2 ай бұрын
I have 2 verdant weapons, is it worth refining it or keeping both individually?
@JMike-bq6rl
@JMike-bq6rl 2 ай бұрын
2 characters using Verdant is better than refining it.
@Yoinkqiqi
@Yoinkqiqi 2 ай бұрын
got verdant summit in first 10 pulls isshhh
@joshuamoua9226
@joshuamoua9226 2 ай бұрын
What about the autumn trace from the battle pass? I want the pistol so im not getting the lustrous razor and when i hit 45 union im probably getting the sword for its crit value. Is the autumn trace good or no?
@ArJay1688
@ArJay1688 2 ай бұрын
It's better actually when R5.
@emberFC
@emberFC 2 ай бұрын
@@ArJay1688Not true anymore with newer knowledge. R5 Autumntrace is 8% less damage than Lustrous Razor; 5% less than Verdant Summit.
@NileDuers
@NileDuers 2 ай бұрын
VS is better, the reason is simple: it have tons of crit damage I tried to combo with Verina and Sanhua and the dmg output from the Outro skill + echoes and that makes my Kakarot Liberation is around 10~11k at the start and easy to kill all bosses around 20sec or less (except for the turtle because of the waiting time)
@nade_s9220
@nade_s9220 2 ай бұрын
How do you unlock the recipe for jinzou mocai?
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
Chef Lvl 5 - you’ll see your level in the cooking screen
@nade_s9220
@nade_s9220 2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA oh hell no…
@heck8598
@heck8598 2 ай бұрын
@@nade_s9220that was my EXACT reaction when I found out too😭🙏
@nayakar7957
@nayakar7957 2 ай бұрын
can you make havoc rover
@nhazulkimonalos9895
@nhazulkimonalos9895 2 ай бұрын
So in summary Lustrous Razor > VS? Or vice versa?
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
Verdant Summit if you are going to invest in getting high crit rate. (Best) If not, Lustrous with high ER & low CR. (2nd Best)
@botcchidotcchi
@botcchidotcchi 2 ай бұрын
​@@SidneymarZA the VS heavy attack bonus is basically useless for Calcharo right? Because during the ult, his damage considered Liberation
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
Only his casting dmg and death messenger is Liberation DMG, hounds roar is basic attack dmg
@botcchidotcchi
@botcchidotcchi 2 ай бұрын
@@SidneymarZA so you meant this basic attack hounds roar also count as heavy attack?
@Otterton88
@Otterton88 2 ай бұрын
@@botcchidotcchi The only heavy attack damage he does is with his forte heavy outside of liberation. Everything else is either liberation DMG or basic attack damage. VS is a horrible pick for calcharo it's nothing more then a stat stick. BP weapon and standard banner are better in every way
@kerrowenpalma9634
@kerrowenpalma9634 2 ай бұрын
Is this normal? I got verdant summit in first draw and its a new account and new to this game
@duongai5507
@duongai5507 2 ай бұрын
Yes
@cathetic101
@cathetic101 2 ай бұрын
Is 44111 better than 43311 for VS?
@tenka511
@tenka511 2 ай бұрын
No 43311 is better
@yutxro_oni
@yutxro_oni 2 ай бұрын
Early gang❤
@KeViNaNoViC
@KeViNaNoViC 2 ай бұрын
Hey buddy i was lucky and pulled LR in 2 Pulls 😅 i tryed to farm the Memphis echo but after killing it 80x + i was not be able to get Crit rate ... also im sitting currently on only 20% with maxed out legendary echos.. im actually not sure what to so at this point i feel like going for crit is not worth it for me becouse i dont get good Numbers anyway with LR😅 what do u think?
@SidneymarZA
@SidneymarZA 2 ай бұрын
I think CR main stat echoes have low drop chance, but I have quite a few of them. I use both mephis bosses on CR for Calcharo with 3 ATK% 1 cost echoes. You can keep the 5pc void thunder that way, which lingyang and encore cannot do yet. Keep trying, the CR will eventually come. Calcharo is much better with crit. I had a hard time getting a CR for Jiyan and my first CR monke was from the hologram rewards.
@MefoWho
@MefoWho 2 ай бұрын
i think you did smthing wrong to not get a single crit rate in 80 kills
@KeViNaNoViC
@KeViNaNoViC 2 ай бұрын
@@MefoWho what can i do wrong sir? i kill the boss and loot :) i got 13x Crit Damage but never crit rate
@MefoWho
@MefoWho 2 ай бұрын
@@KeViNaNoViC it is what it is. You can say youre lucky if you think the other way xd
@KeViNaNoViC
@KeViNaNoViC 2 ай бұрын
@@MefoWho i mean i was actually with the Weapon,pulled a legy weapon with 2orbs 😂
@al-che-ra
@al-che-ra 2 ай бұрын
Is Discord really worse than the 3 stars???
@al-che-ra
@al-che-ra 2 ай бұрын
4 star weapon guide please for us plebians =]
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