Vermintide 2 Winds of Magic DLC is Fun but Very Flawed

In this Vermintide 2 Winds of Magic DLC Overview and Impressions video, we discuss the new Beastmen expansion, Weaves, Winds of Magic, and the problems that have come with this new DLC for Vermintide 2.
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[@xj40002]

Really appreciate your fair criticism. Hope fatshark sees this.

[@chstens]

I have a feeling there's a real stuck-up-his-own-ass business type somewhere in the Fatshark team, and he's forcing all the bad ideas because "he knows business"

[@BewegteBilderrahmen]

There's also at least one dev that thinks "he knows balancing". He was very rude and condescending towards people who delivered both constructive and useless, but emotional (which usually shows frustration in fans that want to like the game), comments. There was a short outrage that was quickly drowned when suddenly this dev stopped being on the forum. For anyone that's interested, he was claiming a very commonly talked about problem was something he never heard about nor considered that grave, and he would spend a lot of time on the forums, which he obviously did not. He did not take kindly to people pointing that out.

[@Echelon030]

There actually is a "faction" at Fatshark which is opposed to QoL improvements, even minor ones like putting the Retry Mission button back into the ending screen (like VT1 had). And of course this "faction" has enough pull to make their view the prevailing one. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that attitude was coming purely from management. Worse, the addition of Weaves (which fucking no one asked for) that are on an entirely separate grind-one that periodically resets, to boot-smacks of Tencent interference as well.

[@thirtyacres7504]

Definitely. The fact that they went with the "Seasons" approach when a PvE co-op game had no business being anywhere near it. It doesn't boggle my mind. I'm disappointed in myself for believing Fatshark could change.

[@lISamuraill]

They should focus on new maps,weapons,factions. And add unique cosmetics [not reskinned ones] And deeds.

[@tylerulfmann4586]

Also new hero’s/subclasses would be pretty hype

[@khelgarironfist3301]

@@tylerulfmann4586 Sir Kruber wants to be a Warrior Priest now, he's had enough with nobility.

[@cHaMp630]

These are all easy things that fatshark can do but we already know they either wont or they'll half ass it as usual.

[@lISamuraill]

@@elijahc.9202 a bar would be nice lol

[@brockwidmann9210]

Honestly I found deeds had diminishing returns and never really bothered with them.

[@arn1345]

If I wanted to grind for hundreds/thousands of hours I'd play an MMO and I'd probably get a superior grinding experience out of it too.

[@Thukad]

I was playing a map with a new player the other day. They said at one point "This game is great! It should be an MMO" It made me afraid tbh

[@y1751]

or play warthunder

[@BenGrem917]

@@y1751 I've been juggling the two lately.

[@armesisp3201]

Good point, also, V2 is borken af now. Alot of people are refunding it, and majority reviews are negative now. RIP.

[@FrontlinerDelta]

I had thought (and would have preferred) that the "wind" modifiers were going to be added onto existing maps and the existing mode. Now obviously, that means the crafting would have needed some changes but there's a cool system there and I'd rather modify it to fit the "standard" game with these crazy visual and gameplay modifiers that are the winds of magic.

[@ellamint360]

Same man, I thought each map was going to have all these different ways to be played, new assets, particle systems. But its specific to these time trial weave modes? Def killed alot of the hype for me.

[@enrictudelavoronine2218]

@@ellamint360 yeah just bought it yesterday and tbh a bit disappointed my favorite map is the one in the dwarves city underground and i thought I could play it again but a bit different but nope

[@darko-man8549]

For me, personally, a leaderboard is just a way I can say to myself "yeah I played my part and wasn't underperforming" or "wow, that guy is good" I want more cosmetics, there are some characters that I have that still don't have a cosmetic body they also really need to allow open access to Deeds and Fortunes so we don't have to gather a group and say "hey, Deed?" And YES!! Totally give random encounter to the events, randomly occurring halloween lighting for maps would be amazing

[@user-propositionjoe]

They honestly had the potential to go really far with this game. The game engine runs great (for me anyway) the combat is fantastic and obviously the lore and available content that could of been added is on levels never before seen on a game. Why they chose to make the game so grindy and add changes the community doesn't want is lost on me. This is a purely PvE game, nobody wants a mmo style grind. Revamping the whole combat system and changing all the characters for literally no reason. Once they decided to not add PvP (which is very sad) all they had to do was keep the old formular, make better customisation and add much more characters/weapons/maps, that's it.... I've honestly never refunded something on steam until this DLC, it disappointed me so much. Gaming nowadays has gone down hill so fast, I saw such potential in this game, I don't know what developers are doing. Feelsbad.

[@leozaboudi8005]

Pvp will be added, they said it not long after winds of magics announcement

[@user-propositionjoe]

@@leozaboudi8005 well I only knew from a while ago they said they wouldn't be adding PvP. They probably just said it now to try mitigate some of the backlash from this recent patch. With how slow they add content PvP won't ever come.

[@faranglao8006]

Good call. It certainly does feel bitter that instead of some shiny new levels and cosmetics the Devs have chosen to cut and paste a bullshit Diablo style game mode that most players are indifferent to.

[@mhuh]

@@leozaboudi8005 Fuck that. Focus on more comment and send the CoDtards away.

[@poggestfrog]

Hey, it's way better now! Just... don't get Darktide

[@Wothanaz]

It's a shame, i do love vermintide 2, but all the DLC have been pretty lacking in my opinion. WTF is Fatshark doing?!!

[@sunnyvalev3028]

It's being fat and lazy

[@TheAmaizeing]

So as we wait 6+ months for new (fun) content, can they just port all the maps from V1 to V2? at least we be good in the map level department. And bring back what made V2 fun. -love V1 beta tester :p

[@spawnofheck]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH this activated my rage bone, cause now i want to randomly play megalodon in quick play and all your other stuffff. this whole video captures my feelings for sure.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

That is the story of Vermintide. Great core of the game with some of the best melee combat out there, but all of the things surrounding it being janky as hell. Add in that there is a part of their community that they blatantly ignore (and to be completely honest, a lot of content creators do also), and I gave up on the game. After waiting months for A Quiet Drink to come to consoles, I stopped checking in.

[@High_Life_Fish]

You do realize it was the 1 year event right? When us PC players got it, it was 1 year after our game released on steam, so its only fair that you get yours 1 year after it released.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

@@High_Life_Fish I do realize that it was a 1 year event, and it's been significantly over a year since the game was released. Doesn't matter what platform I'm playing on, the game was released at that time.

[@d4rks1p3]

@@leadpaintchips9461 i agree and whats worse is they didn't even keep the map in, like whats the point of creating content if it's just gonna get removed.

[@chaseh432]

@@d4rks1p3 Freakin seriously! The game is barren as hell in terms of new content, and they blow their big new shot a couple months ago on a map with a story that's funny, crazy, hard, and TEMPORARY?! They recorded all this unique dialogue, and none of it is in the game... Fatshart is insane

[@Sombriage]

You can still play A Quiet Drink in Live Realm. Update 2.0 shows Developers again upending the combat and messing everything around for their enjoyment. Winds of Magic having only 1 map without antagonist from the trailer. Beastmen being incomplete with only 1 monster, 1 elite and 1 special (unlike other factions) while also being rather buggy/glitchy. Weaves Game Mode further splits the community with a grindy gameplay. Things like new weapon skins, Ravaged Art for new level completely forgotten by incompetent developers. Fatshark deserves the criticism 100%. They had a Beta and they had a lot of feedback and only made slight changes during said Beta. Release of Update 2.0 and Winds of Magic was just another Beta. Grim Dawn developers are far better and there are only like 12 in Crate Entertainment. As an internal tester for that game way back when they communicated far more and went beyond the expectations of the community. If they were in charge of Vermintide 2 we'd have a far better game 100%.

[@Ionixx9]

They changed it so you have all talents unlocked at level 30. Once you level the amulet to 30 it stays at 30 amongst all classes/characters now. They also tweaked the combat a bit.

[@1nfuzion]

What happened to Lohners Emporium that was promised. New DLC doesn't even have red variants of the new weapons. Cataclysm offers no higher tier reward also. What a joke.

[@brightsuperstition]

What happened to dedicated servers? What happened to regularly sanctioned additions to modded realm? What happened to the original road map? You can ask an endless list of these questions. Fatshark is garbage.

[@brockwidmann9210]

Yeah, personally I see no reason to play Cataclysm. All difficulties give the same XP. May as well just do legend runs for reds.

[@Iknowyoukyky]

Thank you for making this video. All of the points here are something I think all players can agree on, I really hope devs have these ideas in mind or see this video.

[@llamaboss1434]

Vermintide is still great fun. But where the hell has all the money gone? Vermintide 2 was a massive financial success for such a small studio, topping steam charts for weeks. I'm kind of convinced now that Fatshark stumbled onto this great combat system, maybe it was an accident, maybe it was the product of one or two great developers, because the rest of the game is otherwise C-grade or lower. Is Fatshark incompetent or lazy. Their communication is also terrible. The pattern here is pretty consistent with European studios, even ones that wander into big mainstream success. Also, Mordhau has better melee mechanics in my opinion.

[@GOAT-rl2uq]

Maurdakar Lancaster Mordhau’s combat definitely has more depth and nuance, which is great, but in terms of *feel*, Vermintide is way better for my tastes. Mordhau feels like you’re fighting underwater.

[@peacechan4500]

Easy it Tencent the studio that kill diablo

[@CrymeTheCheetah]

The money may have gone to Fatshark secretly bying a licence to a more mainstream ip and making a new game leaving a couple of people to patch Vermintide 2, hence the mediocre size of the content and huge waiting time between patches. Nearest example is Frontier dev. I think they used all the Elite Dangerous money to buy Jurassic World licence and continue to feed the players more skins while there was no major update for Elite in more than two years because the team is busy making other games rather than Elite. It's always the love/hate relationship with V2 and Elite for almost everyone because of ignorant devs who don't listen to community and lazily making their own thing with more than half the studio not even touching it and busy doing more popular ip games for more profit It's always the same traits from these devs: 1) One a bit clunky but well done game. 2) Part two of the said game with a feel of "we are a small studio but let's pull AAA+" 3) Overall lazydev. Very long time between patches and DLC, DLC barely worth the money for the amount of content they provide. Re-use of old content for literally the second and third major update (back to Ubersreik, Weave maps (okay they look cool but I hope you get my point)) 4) very cringy livestreams from the developers, not knowing the game, playing like a casual or not showing pvp 5) the biggest amount of twitter dev posts yelling "PLAY, THINGS, EXCITEMENT, UPDATES, PATCHES, LIVESTREAMS!" over nothing while people are waiting for a major patch or literally anything good to happen to the game. 6) community manager not communitymanaging Sob

[@tome5198]

#bringbackobesemegaladon

[@Oqwert]

This game needs a map editor.

[@SpicyPsyDuck]

This is the first time that I didn't get a VT dlc on release, I am really fed up with how Fatshark are seemingly out of touch with the playerbase.

[@jardevel]

hearing you speak about cosmetics...i have 400 hours on verm 2...not a single hat EVER...

[@milkandcookiesTW]

yikes

[@Josethemoor]

I have a few from chests, most is crap on characters I don't play with. Like battle wizard chandeliers with variants like: 2 torches, 3 torhces, 4 torches, 5 torches...

[@jognkek9469]

@@Josethemoor get bogenhafen DLC dude 3 hats a week

[@martind5653]

Dude, if you don't have bogenhafen dlc, I am not sure you can even win a cosmetic hat. Only those win by challenges/lvl ups.

[@Josethemoor]

@@jognkek9469 Those don't give hats. Most of the drop is weapon recoloured skin or hero recoloured skin.

[@PannkakaMedSylt]

I'v spent 1000+ hours into vermintide, I got all characters on lvl 30, but I have two I play the most and enjoy the most also because friends play the other, it's Dwarf and Elf, mostly Slayer / Waystalker, but while I'v gotten like 3 heads, and 2 color swaps for bodies, I'v not gotten a single thing for the heroes I play, I'm 30+ 238 on my elf, and 30+ 115 on my Dwarf... The cosmetic rewards in this game I was promissed I havn't seen at all since first release... I was promissed beeing able to get a bunch of head options and body options.. I'v played legendary a LOT... and soloed legendary A LOT too to just get something further out of this game.. but the longtime rewards from this game is just.. non existent.... And so far I have to say.. I have 0% interest in this new winds of magic crap.. I'v played 1 game to figure out what it was.. bah.. never.. it's just stupid.. give me the maps made there to just play with my current build instead, and at a difficulty of my own choice, this whole leaderboard shit is just dumb.. I want to challange myself not be better then someone else..

[@boromir0062]

I agree with you 100%. I used to think fatshark was gonna hit it big. But like the amount of time it takes for a update to come out and yet their full of bugs. This game is breaking my heart

[@Sadeithefennec]

I guess I'll stick to TW Warhammer 2 for my warhammer fantasy now. Used to enjoy Vermintide 1 and 2, but... The lootbox progression system was bad enough, but I tried to endure it... but everything I'm hearing about Winds of Magic is a turn off. And yeah I agree with your slamming on the timed exclusive maps, what is the point of dumpstering those? They added more variety, more ways to play and have fun... if we had kept them all, the game would have a ton and a half more replayability and variety.

[@pcgamer0011]

the combat changes are what makes it truly terrible all the other features are bearable but combat is slow and unresponsive now.

[@welshcorgler1445]

Hitting enemies now feel like beating up a heap of mud with a stick.

[@pineapplefarmer7352]

I get the impression that beta wasn't actually a beta, but just an early access demo to drum up hype and get sales.

[@Augustborne]

You mentioned that vermintide has some of the best first person melee combat around and I couldn’t agree more. It’s melee combat is somewhat redolent of killing floors’ berserker class and I view this game as combining left 4 dead with KF2’s berserker class. Maybe that’s why I jive with this game so well since I absolutely adore both games, but regardless the melee combat is almost primarily the reason I became addicted to this game. I’m almost tempted to get the dlc just so I can get some more maps to experience the same gameplay loop but I understand that more of the same can give older fans a sense of stagnation in the game, especially when it becomes more of a grind.

[@BigBoneBusiness]

I really enjoy fighting the beastmen. It feels like their whole schtick was for their standard guys to be more dangerous than clanrats or marauders, possibly as part of the trade-off of only having a single special to offer who in turn interacts with and empowers their already powerful horde. But yeah, they're sometimes a bit jank.

[@mj91212]

If I had to guess, I'd say Fatshark is probably planning to turn essence into a premium currency as a way to "skip the grind". They'll no doubt go on about how it's "just optional" and about "player choice", and at some point they'll probably mention "pride and accomplishment".

[@MichaelB-jw5po]

It's such a bummer that weaves aren't randomized. This game could really use some kind of "endless" mode that throws a randomized variety of enemies and level chunks at you.

[@finegamingconnoisseur]

Nice background music. Dawn of War 2 still rocks even after 8 years. Thanks for the insights.

[@isaacshenton9330]

love the 40k music in the background, its kill team.

[@navilluscire2567]

These were some well thought out and fair critics of Winds of Magic, looking forward to eventually getting to play it, hopefully by then much of these issues will have been resolved. (I'm on console) As a personal note I'd like to say that what little of the warhammer Fantasy media I've consumed over the last decade it was THIS series, Vermintide 1 & 2 that really started getting me into the fluff and WF universe. From the established factions' histories to the unbridled potential of lesser known cultures and races, there's just so much to like, for me at least. *I think someone put it best when trying to describe the setting; "...our world's history cranked up to 11."* Making a lot of those mythologies surrounding the cultures from which many of the warhammer world's factions and races are inspired by or more or less parodic caricatures is just fantastic. Bringing mythology to life, legendary monsters, living avatars, noble mythical beasts, heroes and ingenuous instruments of war, all with the setting's trade mark grim feel, (most of time) is atmospheric as heck. Think of it as a collection of *" fantasy counterpart cultures"* and I love it! Truly Vermintide as a whole brought the WF world to life, a truly realized experience, through first person and thought combat mechanics combined with satisfying crunch of strikes, in a way I never thought possible. (though I never got into table-top games)

[@faranglao8006]

It seems that Fatshark should play Payday 2 and learn. Even several years after release it still has plenty to do. Surely they should have made 4 or 5 new maps with a Beastmen story, some new weapons and cosmetics and some more interesting activities within the missions like Payday. I'm sad this has bummed out.

[@yvindvego9404]

there is so much that fatshark could have done to please the community and add more content and stuff to the game. sanction more mods, including onslaught and mythical vanguard, add a new map every 2 or 3 month and sell them for 2 or 3 dollars a piece and bundle 3 of them together for 7 bucks, release a map editor and have competitions where people could make their own maps and the winners got their map added in to the game, add coloros or coustumes from the different empire provinses as cosmetic cheap dlc or just as free where kerillian could get perhaps blade dancer coustume or bardin getting something

[@m3divh]

Me and my palls we have a problem (and do not play it until they fix this) with what seems the increased weapon hitbox for certain enemy weapons, which does not correspond with the weapon model. It seems they flat increased the Dodge range by about 20% and at the same time increased the weapon colision for some enemies. This means that dodging at the right time does prevent damage as it should, but since the weapon hits you a short time before it should (the hitbox is invisible) you get hit by attacks that seem should miss you but dont. For this reason it has become pretty common that an attack swing ends in front of you, you can see the weapon mid air, and yet you were hit.

[@rorydonaldson2794]

I don't mind the grind. I'm loving the current neew content my biggest gripe is I've got all my heroes to lvl 30 in the base game and now I've got to start them all again. It doesn't matter how good I am, skill doesn't compensate for well leveled gear. I like having new missions but not keen on working on all my heroes again. I appreciate that normal missions give you essence but it's often less than half what a weave would give you.

[@AmazingPaladin]

I have 800 hours in V1 and V2. I haven't bought WoM yet and after all the reviews I've seen I dont think I will.

[@faranglao8006]

Me too. It doesn't seem worth it. I'm waiting for a sale with at least 50% off as this seems like a true reflection of value for money.

[@Zunai195]

Thank u This is the same opinion i have Thanks for adressing these problems Love ur vids and u are a great Dude Keep it going i rly like ur channel

[@spawnofheck]

I want to jump into the game and play different builds as seamlessly as possible with people of similar skill lvl automatically. I want my full power character/build every time i play. We're the Ubersreik 5, or 4, doesn't matter, we are epic, i don't want 4.6% attackspeeeeedddd

[@darko-man8549]

Having to work to continually progress or get new things, grinding to get the same little thing over and over.....not good. Thank you Indy, love you video :)

[@SemNome-ds1qy]

The beastmen has insane range when atack and moves like a horse but stealth.

[@SilverWF]

About Weaves - well, ppl are still playing Diablo 3 and PoE, but it still has similar season mechs with close to zero rewards for it.

[@Prince__Teclis]

Fun but flawed is an apt description for Warhammer as a whole to be honest.

[@galling2052]

When the Combat systhem is the thing that keeps a considerable number of people playing for hundreds or even thousands of hours, despite the lack of content and polish. There should be no surprise whatsoever that there is outrage when it is changed, especially when changed to the worse.

[@amandafranks5108]

I cant believe that there's still no bounty board like in the first game to actually earn loot. I have 900 hours played and only 2 reds!!! how is that fun?

[@platoonmexx9278]

thats impossible =)

[@AdnistralSS]

U only play on recruit?

[@platoonmexx9278]

@@AdnistralSS x'D see... there s the problem you are limited by your 60 IQ

[@tylerulfmann4586]

I played like for 15 hours and got 2 red of course I was playing on just veteran and was leveling mostly not sure how you could play for like 900 hours and not get one unless that was an exaggeration of the grind which seems to be pretty rough but not that rough

[@milkandcookiesTW]

What difficulty are you playing on Amanda? If you're playing Champion or Legend I'm not sure thats even mathematically possible lol

[@ZJtraylor]

Great video I think you got it right when you said they don’t understand why players enjoy Vermintide 2. Good video games happen by accident nowadays the companies who fund and usually dictate what the developer does have no idea why people play video games

[@fatrend]

I think the new stagger mechanics should have been a cataclysm only thing. Only the most hardcore of players wanted a mode like that, running around in champion/legend feels awful now. Hitting things in the head but still taking damage because you didnt shove it twice first is very frustrating.

[@cHaMp630]

That's how the game pretty much worked for the first few months, though that was mostly because dodge at the time was god awful and elites would ice skate you all the time.

[@tristanritter7062]

Man so glad to have someone like, your content is simply well explaind all the way through. Thanks to your progameplay I learned a lot man thanks @milkandcookiesTW

[@milkandcookiesTW]

[@omegadays]

i agree the grinding element in vermintide 2/ wind of magic is just that a grind, we are not talking about a open world game like fallout 4 and such but a game with a small amount of maps and very little to do except hack and slash ( which i do like) so it tends to get tedious or even boring, as samurai said a few days back" they should focus on new maps,weapons,factions..". The new map winds of time is nice enjoyed that and the weaves? well the fun factor isn`t really there for me yet. peace omega

[@robertrobinson1135]

So I haven't picked up the new WoM DLC, but I think I will wait and see if they patch things more. Part of what attracts me to Vermintide was that is isn't a huge grind for satisfaction, and my friends and I (who don't have time for MMO amounts of time) could play something satisfying without absolutely needing to grind for hours on end...

[@LikezYou]

Great video to get an understanding for why people hate on this expac, hope they´ve fixed most of this stuff by the time i get back into the game :P

[@ramireini]

The first time I opened the weaves screen, I had a ton of the resource you use to level items up. I had to level up an item to the max level by furiously pressing on the level up button and I had to wait through the animation between levels. This is when I realized Fatshark has no idea what Quality Of Life means and I haven't touched it since. The game has a ton of potential and their focus is definitely not on that which just makes it painful.

[@ssithlord23]

My biggest problem with weaves is the extreme difficulty. I thought 1-40 would be more or less vet difficulty so everyone can experience the different weaves/map looks then 41-100 would ramp up every 20 levels as in 41-60=champ 61-80=legend and 81-120=cata. Top tier players would still have alot of weaves to show off skill but the grand and super difficulty ramp=no 1 will play.

[@SifSehwan]

Very good review, I am not going to support this new trend until any form of seasonal content is removed and the dust settles after the new trait system, a lot of the career re-balance is very poorly executed. I was soooo hyped for weaves, I didn't participate in the beta, because I didn't want to spoil myself. I kind of regret it now.

[@RedWarrior40k]

I hope they will see your video and do some conclusions. Nice analysis.

[@pleggli]

I can't imagine that the new gear system will replace the old one fully at some point since it's actually a good gear system at it's core (which vermintide never had before this point), it's good that they didn't do it right now though to limit the amount of sudden changes a bit but if they don't they will miss out on a lot of good will from the player community. A major problem I have right now is switching between weaves and normal play and having slightly different gear traits which causes me to make mistakes because the game doesn't play exactly the same. There is no chance that I will try to reroll to replicate the gear I have in weaves, even though I have all reds of the same kind the old gear system is a nightmare to use.

[@IceWolve67]

to be fair, for me it seems like 17bucks for one map, and merely no new content after month of wait. Plus a 37gb patch

[@yvindvego9404]

dont forget that you cant play weaves with bots. so if there are few or non playing the lower weaves then you have to solo them

[@tylerulfmann4586]

øyvind vego which also keeps specials that’s right when your doing weaves solo it spawns specials that can instant kill you

[@pleggli]

There are a lot of weave maps and they are not the same as the regular ones because they play differently with is the most important aspect of level design. Even if weave maps are based on previous work the similarities range from almost playing the same to just being superficially different, some of them feels very intentionally repurposed with care taken to make them work within their new contexts.

[@dylanschnabel4859]

It’s already too late, but the way it should have been in my opinion (as a VT vet, for what it’s worth), is that each weave would give a one-time high amount of essence upon completion by *each class*, not just the first time you beat you it overall. Additionally, essence gain per mission should be balanced such that if you completed every weave with a single class then you‘d be able to max out most or all of that class’s equipment (or maybe 1/3, considering each hero has three classes). This would allow the faction of players who only ever play as one class to get through all the content without feeling the need to grind lest be underpowered, and it would incentivize other players to always be experimenting with new classes. Replaying with the same class would still get you a bit of essence, but beating it with a new one would always be far more rewarding. This would also give people helping lower leveled friends a reason to replay weaves as they could always play it with a character they have yet to beat it with, and they’d still get a reasonable amount of essence to upgrade with. Let me know if you guys can think of any problems with this idea, or have anything to add to it. I just want the game I love to be better, and I expect Fatshark to be watching this video, as he is the most popular KZbinr I know of covering their game, so let’s give them some ideas to think about back at the office 😊

[@MrJayberry176]

"vermintide has the best melee combat of any first person game i've ever played. period." *Shows saltzspyre dodge strafing into a liquid pool of enemies while spamming left click.*

[@milkandcookiesTW]

can poke holes in any game like that though ;P any great melee game you can think of could be made to look and sound dumb with video evidence and that kind of description

[@MrJayberry176]

@@milkandcookiesTW it was a just a funny coincidence I noticed not a serious criticism.

[@Razielts1]

I would really like to see a change to that like if you followed a certain condition you would charge a second resource to be able to explode without dying like borderlands 2 did with psycho that would make the variation playable but now it's just not worth it

[@Jenkkimie]

I have 243 hours on Vermintide 2, all characters were maxed out, all of them had at least legendary gear or veteran gear. When I first saw the announcement for this DLC I was excited. Come near release and I read the reviews and experiences of those who bought it to be able to beta tested and it swayed me off for reinstalling the game and buying the DLC to try it out. As a Software Engineering student myself it seems to me they were trying to change the phase of the game and make it more interesting, but many of the design decisions honestly make me baffled and I got to wonder where did own calculations go and how it got so misaligned with the community. Or was it that they invested so much time and resources in their decisions that they no longer had time to make changes based on feedback? It seems counter intuitive if they read the feedback and saw in clear words what was wrong with the content, and then release the product unchanged anyway. First impression is everything. So what on earth happened there in the studio?

[@Diwii213]

units again stack in one and beat in five at the same time, what the hell These bugs were resolved earlier, and now they are here again And the animation of the attack on the run does not stop if you dodge not to the side but back from the attack. All this together creates wild discomfort and counterintuitive gameplay.

[@Ripthejack3r]

I think they should blend the weaves in with the main game and cut the grind in half, but also add some big rewards to shoot for that u can use in all game modes

[@Lucitaur]

Am re-watching this more than a year latter and still have no idea why Weaves are their own separate mode instead of being baked into the main game in some form, allowing for actually greater and more varied re-playability, while keeping community together instead of being split across multiple (pointless) gameplay modes.

[@HayrettinBalci]

i was worried sick during the beta, that they had ruined the game. and for me i sort of felt like they finally did.

[@Advo42069]

A lot of the critiques in this video we're fixed on release yesterday

[@milkandcookiesTW]

I mentioned the two major things they fixed in yesterdays patch multiple times

[@rgh1132]

Since the statement, "Not the reason I/we play Vermintide 2." regarding grind was said a few times, just wanted to know the actual reason why you (whoever is reading this) plays V2. For me, it's the Warhammer Fantasy aesthetic and the combat (the audio of slicing through ratmen is so damn satisfying).

[@JudgeLazar]

A huge portion of the problems with weaves could be easily fixed by reverting the way weave gear was done pre-release. Meaning each character's weave progress was completely separate from each other. This would extend playtimes greatly, having to level each character separately. This would encourage people to play more lower tier weaves instead of siting in the lobby browser clicking refresh over and over, just waiting for a group on the weave you need to progress. (The vast majority of weaves I did were hosted from China/Europe, I live in Chicago.) This would have a huge positive impact on actually FINDING weave lobbies and by extension help less skilled players advance up the tiers. As it is now, if you didn't play the most recent pre-release beta, odds are you're stuck somewhere around weave 23, which is OBNOXIOUSLY too difficult for the average PUG group to get past. I could keep going but I'm too tired to write a long winded diatribe about the extremely simple things they could change that would have a huge positive impact. Maybe later if I remember.

[@itwas467]

I'm really worried for fatshark if this is their idea of beta testing. Based on feedbacks I've seen during beta tests, none of these should've been an issue on live.

[@Takamorisan1]

If they wipe essences, fuck that noise. The biggest sin is to make Weaves de attached from the main progression.

[@scottmtierney2]

At first I was pissed off that this DLC wasn't out on consoles (kinda still am) but, after watching this I'm sorta glad

[@mrBytemare]

Thanks for an honest and very informative video! I have just started without this DLC, but despite the issues I do wanna play this game, and hope it gets patched down the road. Hows the current state of the game so far ? :)

[@Evrenovic]

Very good video and good points on your criticism

[@gangatalishis]

"best melee combat of any game i have ever played, period", has this dude played mordau?

[@kippers1641]

Exactly what I was thinking. Spent 200 hours in mordhau and I stomp in vermintide 2 now

[@joedohn9727]

1. Jedi Knight Jedi Academy 2. Vermintide 1 3. Any Dark Souls

[@arealhumanbean3058]

@@joedohn9727 Didn't know Dark Souls was a FPS

[@joedohn9727]

@@arealhumanbean3058 not talking fps but swordplay games in general, those are the best imo

[@GG-ou7it]

Beast men don't have enough unit variety tbh very expensive DLC

[@SgtTeddybear66]

I was upset by the fact they felt so easy to kill. I thought they'd at least be a Tar-Pit with the Gors, And the Ungors being the swarm-y numbers. Gors should take quite a few hits and there needs to be more unit variety between them all.

[@marius5968]

As a new player the lack of cosmetics was something i noticed early. This is the type of game that would thrive on that because you want to look awsome when you already feel awsome. Imagine if the game had a skin system like the battleroyales. Some you could get through gameplay, and some through the chests. Also: Why does difficulty matter so little? My friends and I got through the game on veteran in like 10 hours or something and saw that all other difficulties also had a max of power level 300. Thats fine i guess but at least have some awsome rewards for playing higher difficulties like cosmetics and stuff. I still want to try the harder difficulties but feel the game doesnt give enough insentive. Havent played dlc yet i hope they are good and offer new interesting content.

[@darkomihajlovski3135]

Back to ubershriek is worth it bechaven maps are too long and too gimmicky so I wouldn't relly recommend those

[@PutridMachine]

What exactly this Lohner's Emporium everyone's talking about? I get that it's a feature they've not implemented yet but just curious what's that all about? btw great review, love V2 to death so I hope it improves in the near future

[@twopiecehoxton]

I know more often than not, it's usually a publisher fault rather than a dev fault. Publishers push the devs to release things so they can make money off of it regardless of it being finished or not. I'm not saying this is what happened but that seems to be the case in this type of situation. Look at EA and Activision, both publishers are notorious for this.

[@falscherhase4456]

To me weaves are kinda feeling like the Diablo Endgame content. Grinding the same short missions over and over again on increasing difficulties. The problem however is, that you don't get anything as reward for doing it.

[@nicholasagnew9631]

A flavoured spit in the face to fans and veterans alike?

[@genebcolon]

I dunno- but as huntsman I can take down beast men very fast, you just gotta let the classes choose their battle in co-op.and they need to def bump up shard rewards in weaves -I make a tons more on daylies I have bumped up my gear with essence from dailies within hours.

[@bacontv9423]

Hey love ur videos, I have been watching u seens the beginning! Continue with ur great content! Question, what's the best dlc for the game? I have picked it up last week and love it

[@milkandcookiesTW]

Back to Ubersreik maybe. 5 new weapons and some cool maps from the first game. I like Shadows over Bogenhafen too

[@jasonbenjamin401]

I'm not big on playing with randos and have a weird work schedule as well as raising 2 babies. NO BOTS ON WEAVES!!! that kills it for me. Wish I could get a refund. edit- tried to play once with matchmaking and was treated to multiples shots at my being a jew. Thanks fat shark!

[@ericryan8888]

Couldn't have said it better myself. i have 500 hours and not much to show for it despite more then half of my time was on legend runs.

[@TheDr00g]

i was really looking forward but nope. this is beyond disappointing. no money for fatshark from me and the playerbase keeps dropping

[@MrRighteousfish]

I was thinking of getting this game. Did they fix these issues? If not I don't think I'll purchase it.

[@stickyxliver1223]

I can't believe that three years later the helmets and outfits still don't match... what is the point of doing challenges to get cool looking armor just for the helmet/hat to not match, it can't be that hard just have it so that the helmet/hat changes material based on what armor your wearing, or give the option to choose the color, given it's been so long and now darktide is out I don't know how much more support fatshark is gonna give vermintide 2 so this feature might never come, I would love to be proven wrong.

[@Nomad.552]

This game still alive? Also if i want to buy it do i buy it as bundle with all dlc's or just get the main game? Im really confused bcs looks like lots of ppl complain about this dlc

[@zoddie]

has it changed at all in the last year for the better? (weaves) I think that if you are going to copy D3's rift system, you should at least copy what makes it good and replayable in the first place.

[@isetscott4740]

im getting this today, love this game, one off the only games i play on ps4

[@rpscorp9457]

Gonna sail the seas for this one, yep.

[@Sparrohw]

Bring back the drunk map! That was so much fun!

[@yeetman4953]

You can still play it

[@Sparrohw]

@@yeetman4953 Yes.

[@martind5653]

Man, meele is intensely satisfying and good, but I wouldn't call it best ever. Period. Because meele in Vermintide is like shooting in Call of duty. But sometimes, you want try meele like Battlefield or RO/Rising storm or even very authentic like ArmA.

[@GOAT-rl2uq]

What I can’t figure out is what Fatsharks infatuation is with grind and RNG. Every single community platform I’ve seen has been constantly railing against grind and RNG, and yet Fatshark just can’t seem to grasp it. Or they do, but they think people will come round to their design philosophy. I never thought it would happen, but I am finally sort of losing hope. Give us more maps. More ”campaigns”. A better deed system. Q&C from V1. Not this grindtastic nonsense.

[@brightsuperstition]

Maps, campaigns and the like require hard work and effort. Grinding and RNG is an easy way to artificially pad out your game to keep your players playing it.

[@matthewsiano6349]

This game needs fleshed out incremental progression or else the player base will dissolve outside the 1% of players. It seems way too hardcore focused, with all or nothing rewards, or slap in your face style crumbs for time invested.

[@kurtizgamz]

Guessing YT compression is messing up the video or is it really that dark? Looks like most enemies are nothing but black blobs to me on this machine. Might be my side, just want confirmation that it looks better IRL. Thanks.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

some of the weaves are dark and require changing gamma to look better on youtube. you can change those settings however you want, so wouldnt worry about it if/when you play yourself

[@devilsmessanger]

though I disagrees about nerfs ,we have normally 3000 concurrent players,now only for limited time 5000,since people are checking out new content,but it will drop fast, NERFs will push away more people,especially decent veterans and even less people will be able to help ease newer players into higher difficulties. add grind to the mix and you will very easily start going into dying game territory .

[@Deathboy6000]

i just picked up WoM and the beast men are in the normal missions as i went quick play vet and it was nice having them there but i can see what you mean about everything else :D

[@josephg24]

I think you just summed up every vermintide player's thoughts on the issues with this game and the dlc.

[@DaemonPrince]

You nailed alot of the points on the head that I make and im mostly on the same page with you but you also missed a couple of things Im not happy about at all in this update, Leader boards was a stupid idea no-one cared for, you are completely 100% right on this and trust me legit no one cares about it, its cool but no one really cares. I was also under the impression that winds of magic was going to add a cool modifier we could check mark to play on random maps. Fatshark nerfed quite a few classes without actually giving them anything to make up for it and buffed there other classes making them better than there other specs by a landslide. The new weapons which you didn't touch on, are an absolute trainwreck on balancing. the Throwing axes for Bardin are insanely good while the Spear and shield is just terrible, again kerillian got the short end of the stick while bardin gets the best weapons. Cataclysm is just entirely pointless now, people wanted a harder difficulty than legend because of how easy it was thanks to the dodge fixes fatshark had and all of the updates to combat they added in 1.7 fixing 90% of the issues. That's why it was so easy for most people because they fixed the damn system. But since they rolled back a few changes and pumped the spawn rates and added beastmen, legend difficulty is actually hard now. I have no incentive to play cataclysm either since the rewards dont exist and apparently the reason why there isn't any rewards on it is because its Winds of magic only and they didn't want the dlc to be pay2win. Yeah the cat dif is not apart of the base fucking game. Someone explain to me who is the idiot that thought that was a good idea? The cosmetic system you touched on is just horrendous, and they have *YET TO FIX SALTZPYRE'S CLOAK IN HIS LEGS*. I have nearly 1100 hours on this game, and your absolutely right about the cosmetics , counting my cosmetics that are not unlockable through play I have 12 which is probably more than most people. I couldnt get to high level play play on Vermintide 1 but I dont need to, to know how much better that system is. I dont even know why I still play. I just feel tired, and I feel like im just an empire soldier having to fight the horde of the vermintide because if I dont then who will? Here's to hoping that the Vs mode thats coming is something to look forward to, and not the sign of the darkness reaching out to take this good game into the abyss only remembered in story's and memory's like so many other's.

[@Vs3Walker]

My only complaint about the dlc is as you say. Lack of reward from clearing weaves. It dictates progression, reward and engagement. Which it gives none, i just stopped playing the game, only because i can't solo my current weaves at 27 anymore, and no one ever joins, and i can only find lobbies of people doing weaves below 20 :/