Vermont Professor: I stand by my anti-whiteness video

Freddie Sayers meets Aaron Kindsvatter, professor of counselling at the University of Vermont.
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Over the past year, the culture wars have been raging and one of the places where they have been fought most fiercely is on American college campuses. Efforts to 'decolonise the curriculum' and censor professors and students found to be deviating from progressive orthodoxy on identity issues have intensified, particularly on liberal college campuses.
Last week, another target was found, this time at the University of Vermont. Claiming to see an ideology of 'anti-whiteness' spreading around the School of Education, Professor Aaron Kindsvatter published a video denouncing the anti-racist agenda for discriminating against people on account of their skin colour. As a professor of counselling, Kindsvatter was especially concerned about the implementation of policy based on the work of Ibram X. Kendi, the author of 'How to be an Antiracist', into the counselling programme. Given that these students were training to be psycho-therapists, Kindsvatter notes, this "rigid" ideology would inform the basis of their work.
Shortly after the publication of the video, a familiar pattern emerged: a petition demanding the resignation of Kindsvatter started and a mealy-mouthed apology from the university to the students followed. Kindsvatter is still at the university, but for how long is anyone's guess...
#antiracism #ibramxkendi #woke

[@solomon74]

My therapist asked me to list out ways my white privilege effected my life. I refused. Told her that philosophy was poison and stopped seeing her. It’s already being forced on people in mental turmoil

[@roninkraut6873]

Report her and file a complaint. That’s not only absolutely ridiculous it’s harmful.

[@Cyberfender1]

Report that crap

[@rogerhauri3695]

Wow, that is scary!

[@dcgregorya5434]

Its a religious ritual, like if your therapist asked you to accept Jesus as your savior or get circumcised. Absurd.

[@52calico47]

I hope you got your money back.

[@castlewindsor5592]

What started as a diversity and inclusion, now feels like a power grab.

[@mostlypeacefulrowan8747]

The marketing is often not representative of the true quality of the product

[@yamishogun6501]

In many places it was always a power grab

[@Orson2u]

Woke Supremacism = Islamist Supremacism = Marxist Supremacism = Nazi Supremacism = Black Supremacism = White Supremacism.

[@videosonyoutube5588]

It always was a blatant power grab. It started with "HIRE ME AND MY FRIENDS OR ELSE" to now "YOU BETTER KNEEL BEFORE ME OR ELSE."

[@briannichols9491]

Its about power

[@j2248]

If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

[@littleboots9800]

Manic street preachers?

[@marioastudillo8215]

All this nonsense needs to stop or soon ill start civil war 2.0

[@gilly9666]

The manics knew what they were talking about, prophetic words

[@dingusfartacus9624]

@@aksjdlasjdf4595 yes, and we won't get anywhere without getting women on board, there's nothing more intoxicating to the psyche than being told you're a victim

[@mikewood9514]

Manics.great.a song ahead of its time

[@billmitchell1955]

What's going on in Western Civilization now, makes McCarthyism look like Disney World.

[@gregoriosamsa2722]

I think it justifies Mccarthyism

[@truther3206]

@@gregoriosamsa2722 Amen to that . How many of our great leaders were destroyed or killed for speaking the truth .

[@gregoriosamsa2722]

@@truther3206 Exactly. I'm not precisely a fan of Mccarthyism but In the end, this are the same people McCarthy has been fighting against. The same people Yuri Bezmenov has very accurately warned us about.

[@jbdbean242]

@Bill_Mitchell - Exactly. Disturbing how few people see the obvious parallel.

[@boweevil6442]

@@gregoriosamsa2722 McCarthy said that communism had infiltrated the US gov't. See Harry Dexter White a top advisor to FDR. Google the "Venona Transcripts".

[@seesharp81321]

This is what happens when there are no adults in the room for too long.

[@castlewindsor5592]

Or any adults who are present are Chinese.

[@cirrusonsea1668]

@@castlewindsor5592 Your racism is incoherent.

[@castlewindsor5592]

@@cirrusonsea1668 LOL!

[@gg_rider]

Adults *have* been teachers of philosophy of critique this and critique that and Critical Race Theory. It is inherently divisive. It is about conflict, permanent Conflict.

[@seesharp81321]

@@gg_rider you think these people are adults? Being an adult has little to do with reaching a certain age. Perhaps the real problem is that only a few young people have a good working bullshit-meter. Parents should become aware on what's out there and prepare them. Pushing back to what someone tells you requires some training

[@soni3085]

I am white emigrant social worker/psychologist in the US...and I can’t even start to tell you how frustrating it is to hear over and over to the recent rhetoric about “check your privilege and white supremacy with your clients and etc etc...” which implicitly leads to , maybe clients should only see people that look like them. There are huge logical fallacies to this kind of argument...and dangerous implications to the field. We should be aware of how our clients perceive us, but we MUST create an environment where the client speak for themselves to this reality and not the narrative that a few speak of.

[@lkae4]

Exactly. Beneath the virtue signaling is nothing. The woke is irrational and contradictory at its foundation. And people are finding out

[@rickknight3823]

Well said 👍

[@siddhartha_1]

I'm also in counseling. My sense is that this ideology can only exit in places like universities where they have the resources to waste on it. I was there for years and agree that the cultish rhetoric was oppressive.

[@soni3085]

@@siddhartha_1 I wish I could believe that, but unfortunately i dont think that is the case Brent. I work for a non for profit that works within the criminal justice system, and in meetings all i hear is: we need to check the white supremacy in the field...we need to reckon with the harm we have caused....we need to acknowledge how powerless our clients are and etc..And yes, there is some historical validity to all these claims, but it is NOT were we are systemically in the field. There are and will always be bad apples, but these are not the issues the profession needs to wrestle with NOW. In all honesty, the most emendate issue in my eye that needs fast repairing is our divorce from behavioral genetics, which has a lot to say about human behavior and etc...but we continue to operate on outdated concepts out of 'ignorance' at this point not racism. Also, to your point Brent, if it becomes pervasive enough in universities this will be taught hard core, and will hinder the therapeutical relationship significantly as it will get in the way of the discovering the each-other as they come without having made up their mind about them based on race. It isn't my clients who are insane but this is !!!

[@rickknight3823]

@@soni3085 I bet their are lots of people in positions such as yours who feel the same way about this ridiculous backwards self

[@PeterSantenello]

I grew up in Vermont and saw this last time I returned after some time away from the state. I was shocked by how far Burlington slid off the rails. The funny thing is you couldn't pay the majority of people who are telling you that white people are racist a million dollars to spend some time in the South Bronx alone to get to know a black population better (who through my experience were open and friendly). Thanks for standing up, we need more people like you!

[@babadabdianogo]

I went to UVM for my master's program from 2016-2018. As someone who considered themselves relatively left for most of my adult life, Burlington was a major wake up call and turning point for sociopolitical transformation.

[@francomitchell6376]

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[@callumbrandon7867]

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[@francomitchell6376]

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[@memofromessex]

It's crazy that we are even having these discussions.

[@dianablackman4528]

Indeed.

[@prg54]

Right. Distractions from the REAL problems we should be facing and solving, perhaps?

[@robtul1294]

Exactly

[@Macheako]

Agreed. I didn't realize this many people needed REAL HELP in life.......it's beyond effing sad

[@Helicopterpilot16]

@@prg54 Letting ideological differences from chaos to which order is formed. I love the say, "ideals are peaceful, history is violent." Someone somewhere will have a different ideology than that of another. People that shelter themselves in echo chambers are not going to have a smooth ride.

[@omg_wtf]

God it's all so tiring. Yes some people are racist, we know. Most people are not. Most people just wanna get along and go about their little lives. We're making things worse, not better.

[@project.jericho]

No, pursuing the same failed orthodoxy that empowered this increasingly violent racial collectivism is what is making things worse. The problem is being dictated by tens of millions of people who don't care how hard you surrender, or how much you can be cowed into submission - it will never be enough. Pretending you are entitled to dictate the realities in play is dangerous. Those who intend us harm are demanding racial collectivism - tribe up or watch everything you love be destroyed... That simple.

[@lorraineforte9175]

Mehta, The media is promoting racism, how many stories do you hear on the news of fights breaking out in the workplace between blacks and whites? We all want the same things in life know matter what color we are.

[@senorpoodles1755]

"We"?

[@ulrichenevoldsen8371]

@@senorpoodles1755 you?

[@jawz2005]

@@ulrichenevoldsen8371 me?

[@siddhartha_1]

If he gets fired he'll have no shortage of private practice clients because of his proven courage and sensibility

[@pistolen87]

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." - George Orwell

[@chrispawlus1226]

bs is bs

[@ThisTimeTheWorld]

War is peacekeeping. Freedom is a conspiracy theory. Dieversity is our strength.

[@mickg3738]

This Orwell guy is a lunatic if he said that. That don't make no sense.

[@ThisTimeTheWorld]

@@mickg3738 read the dystopian sci fi 1984

[@kenperlman2204]

And anti racism is racism. Plain and simple.

[@lindacamp6229]

Good for you Aaron Kindsvatter. More people need to stand up for this craziness.

[@chrispawlus1226]

Stand up for it or against it?

[@jdjones4825]

Against

[@billsimms2511]

Yes and what he said is all too common in that he is getting silent praises from other teachers. Those teachers are cowards though and their refusal to stand up against this ideology is exactly why they are in this predicament to begin with

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@billsimms2511 Cowards? yes, but also unaware that they are determining the world they experience and blaming others for it. ....At the bottom of all of this is believing in victimhood and victims sympathizing with victims. It's not new, but it's putting on a new face. We each make our own world as we want it to be. We are masters of our fate. Much of that is unconscious because we don't want to look at or we will feel guilt, so we project it upon others to try to get rid of the guilt. But it doesn't work. Only forgiveness works, not sacrifice and belief in suffering.

[@melissamaggioncalda242]

Ahhh yes, diversity of thought unless it does not align with theirs. Be tolerant, be kind but bully anyone who sees things differently...that is how this is going down.

[@crypt0t3ddy79]

Well summarized.

[@kathrynbarbara967]

I’ve heard the phrase “educated to the point of stupidity”. I think this is indeed possible.

[@chrismill9896]

There is an old English expression:"Educated beyond his intelligence". That means, to me, someone who lacks the intelligence to question what he is being told to believe; and so believes blindly (usually fashionable) views he is being told to accept, and through his lack of intelligence, cannot understand when they are applicable, and when not.

[@andrewhnorris1]

Admins are showing classic witch hunt behaviour. Call out the heretic to signal to the mob that you yourself can't be accused of being a witch.

[@dixonpinfold2582]

Do please repeat this elsewhere and often. And feel free, if you like, to use my term for the kind of people going after this professor: New Puritans.

[@januarysson5633]

The Salem witch trials were shut down when someone accused the wife of the Massachusetts governor of witchcraft. Hope we get to that point soon.

[@chelseapoet3664]

@@dixonpinfold2582 I think the term neo-racists is more appropriate.

[@dixonpinfold2582]

​@@chelseapoet3664 There's room for all kinds of terms. Neo-McCarthyites could be another.

[@landphilspecter]

I worked at UVM for years and my wife still does; there are many good people there, but this ideology is only going to worsen in academia... Best of luck to the prof.

[@Orson2u]

LET’S INSTITUTIONALIZE codependency! The pop psych Devil of the 1980s. And make it required everywhere.

[@Telcontar1962]

Wouldn't it be a good idea for all those "good" people to withdraw their labour? I'm not sure those who are complicit in something can be described as "good". And please don't believe I'm having a pot shot at those like your wife, this is what atomisation of society does.

[@landphilspecter]

@@Telcontar1962 It seems to me that your thinking is a bit oversimplified. If one works in academia, then you are subject to these kinds of trends wherever you may go, as they are becoming increasingly pervasive across the country. If you live in a rural state like Vermont (and do not wish to leave it), your options for employment are very limited. The only real hope for these institutions is that courageous people within the system are willing to speak out and are supported by their communities. If we simply leave, the void will be filled by people who are more inclined towards these homogeneous ideologies of the day.

[@Telcontar1962]

@@landphilspecter @L. S. It is a simple solution I grant you, but hardly an over-simplification. If there are so many "good" people as being claimed then (a) it shouldn't have got a foot hold in the first place (b) if the "good" people were so numerous the withdrawal of one's labour would make it virtually impossible for these institutions to function. (c) why would these "good" people even want them to function given the poison they are spewing into society? While I quite understand the defence of atomisation in not doing anything, the "I don't wish to move" or "I want to change it from the inside" are far less convincing The US was merciless in condemning ordinary Germans for doing exactly what those in academia are doing now. Going along to get along. Far from.over-simplifying things I am just putting the view out there, "Why are all the lessons of two world wars being not just forgotten , but ignored?" Whatever the wrongs of slavery, by comparison to those wars it is a far less significant event with regards modern Western societies or should be.. Its pretty low hanging fruit to suggest holding another person as property in bondage is wrong. We've got past that for almost 2 centuries now. Its not as if Western peoples didn't labour under various forms of slavery every bit as much as any immigrant population. But the lessons of two world wars, where the loss of life and pure savagery was on a scale beyond all human experience, to advance the next phase of human societal development, the rights of the citizen and how it can be exercised to affect some measure of control over government has not even begun. And it's not started because we are being held back and seeing it destroyed by the very forces who wish to impose these views upon us, very often through academia. Its not over-simplistic to ask these "good" people, why instead of entertaining these regressive trends they not opposing those policies both in government and through their institutions and stop supporting immigrants being brought into the West by virtue of these policies NO WESTERN ELECTORATE has ever consented to? I cannot think of anything more corrosive to a state with pretentions to be democratic where the government (or institutions) dictates to the citizenry who it MUST accept into it membership absent of that consent. Again , its admittedly a very simple idea, but one no Western government has even slightly attempted. The US is by far and away the worst culprit. Its somehow predicated its existence on a document and a principle of government of, for and by the people yet since 1776 hasn't even started the project. Worse its exported its immigration model to the rest of the West, often using its vast economic and military influence to do so, almost to the West's destruction. Again I'm not saying these people are not "good" but suggesting that "goodness" might perhaps be a little less pronounced and courageous than some give them credit for.

[@landphilspecter]

@@Telcontar1962 I don't disagree with many of the points you're making, but the contributing factors that are intrinsic to the system forces one to play by certain rules-- this is the nature of society and culture. Also, most people do not have the luxury, economically speaking, to simply move and find work elsewhere. I question what you mean when you say "good" people, because when I originally used the term, I wasn't referring to any particular groups or sub-set; nearly everyone who I worked with was well-meaning, thoughtful, intelligent, etc. Does that mean I agree with all their values? No, and in fact, many such people have been institutionalized into thinking that is potentially harmful. Moving away doesn't solve the problem, but engaging may.

[@rdbt292]

Glad there's still a good professor at UVM. Good luck! My son went to UVM for a couple of years. Struggled, & hated the toxic racist/feminazi environment, & finally left. His advisor was completely unresponsive. Ironically, I moved a lot while he was a kid and he (white) was usually the minority. His middle school was definitely multiracial, but more than half Latino. His first high school was an inner city public 85% black school where he actually thrived more so than when we moved again and he was recruited into a elite DC private school (which catering to rich parents and gave scholarships to kids like mine w/some "minority" blood to boost their "diversity" numbers.) For most of his life he was raised by a single mom and attended minority majority schools...to show up at UVM and hear wealthier white people tell him about his white privilege was infuriating when all his BFFs (to this day) are black!

[@Birdman2003]

I really feel this comment, the full truth and also equally sad is every well to do mainly upper middle class is non white kids that also take part in this. See the people thatbhave to focus on survival ain't got time for this bullish nor do we subscribe and the difference between me and them is ill die for mine.

[@andrewnewton814]

Glad to hear you're a critical thinker and you know bs when you hear it, though it seems to me that the most people wining about white privilege are white women, by their standards that's rasict and sexict in one sentence

[@michaelzizzo6726]

I went to UVM, and it was always ironic to me that I was forced to take so called "diversity credits" when I came from NYC and went to high school in the Bronx and had experienced more diversity than many of my peers at UVM. The worst part was as an engineering major, these "diversity credits" were a huge waste of time and took time away from my primary studies.

[@allaboutthemurzic]

Its the liberals that are the worst

[@Kenneynrg]

Im white.. and I’m not sorry, ashamed or inferior to anyone else.. even other white people .

[@farinati]

This is a good, intelligent man with courage. I hope he perseveres in this good fight.

[@dianablackman4528]

Amen.

[@shirleycathcart5502]

May God reward his valor and watch over & bless him.

[@infodrop231]

'I should get some psychotherapy'. Wasn't this what they used to do to dissidents in the Soviet Union?

[@shmulikcarmon9528]

Orwell and the soviet regime are Well recalled over this case.

[@kennetheisenberg7197]

Yes, it was called Sluggish Schizophrenia.

[@gillian.florence]

I am so grateful for people like this standing up!

[@dianablackman4528]

Amen. btw The term racist is an anti-white attack. Reject the term immediately whenever it is used.

[@lauraswartz3781]

@@dianablackman4528 no. Just reclaim the terms meaning as demonizing people on the basis of race. Same with sexism etc.

[@davidswanson5669]

@@lauraswartz3781 I think Diana is making a symbolic point though. It’s just like how blacks killing blacks in Chicago is rarely a headline or even considered when gun stats are discussed or even when black lives mattering is discussed. In other words - those examples don’t enter the equation because people don’t want those examples to count. Racism shares the same flaw in public discussion. No matter how many examples of racism displayed by a non-white race, it won’t get counted or discussed because many people don’t want to see it or are literally blind to it (not necessarily a bad thing since most horrific acts are not based on race but rather anger, greed, and ego). And conversely when a white person negatively interacts (or is perceived to have negatively interacted) with someone from another race it’s called racism no matter the actual intentions of the white person. Of course this is oversimplifying real life but overall it’s true - if you’re ever going to be called racist then it’s likely you are white, but it’s just as likely to be not true.

[@truther3206]

@@davidswanson5669 There is only one group of people that think of all races as animals . They are playing us against each other to further their dominance in the world . As usual follow the money and there you will find the cause . The same through out history . Destroy all countries and peoples and they will own all .

[@athreephanx6956]

What exactly is he standing up to. He seems like a crybaby. He babble thru the whole video without specifying why he is such a victim

[@vicki5811]

I am not bad, not demented and not crazy and not alone.. I am with you Professor Aaron. I am a good person and so are you!

[@brendaal-rifai8422]

This is about the homogenisation of absolutely everything and the destruction that which makes us so unique in thought in work and power, where is this going.....

[@philiphales2109]

@@brendaal-rifai8422 -where is this going? Nowhere good, and it seems as if the brakes and the steering are out.

[@unnecessaryapostrophe4047]

I'm not a very good person, but that doesn't matter. My inadequacies don't validate a racist and generally antisocial ideology.

[@unnecessaryapostrophe4047]

@@brendaal-rifai8422 China

[@philiphales2109]

“The names for these ideologies have been chosen with a great deal of care to allow for maximum manipulation of the people to whom they are exposed.”

[@jbdbean242]

Power politics in a nutshell.

[@skemsen]

Freddie you are a gift to mankind with these calm, intelligent and wise ways you conduct your interesting interviews. I appreciate you and your work so much. Thank you!

[@sophieoshaughnessy9469]

Shutting him up is promoting “diversity of thought”? Thats rich. Censorship NEVER has this impact. This is my Alma Mater🙄😣

[@Muting_all_advice]

No; they’re not interested in diversity of thought and they don’t claim to be-they want ‘diversity’ of sex, sexual, orientation, and race, diversity in this case meaning trans, queer, and non-White.

[@jeffreyscott4997]

The logic goes like this. In order for you to speak, somebody else has to not speak. If you are in the oppressor class, people of your group are already speaking, and people of the oppressor group are not speaking. So, by stopping you from speaking, they let somebody else speak instead, who society thinks has less of a right (and thus in fact does have more of a right) to speak, increasing diversity. As if disempowering the powerful is the same as empowering the disempowered.

[@PlasticSausages]

Is this why young employees get their parents to call their managers to complain? I have seen new starters think they have the authority to define the company’s culture as soon as they start the job. There is no sense of ‘paying your dues’ and some kind of entitlement. I am perplexed by the mindset driving this.

[@billsimms2511]

@@PlasticSausages yes this ideology mixed with the victim hood generation is going to spell disaster for many schools and even corporations. You can’t run a business with this type of toxic ideology running through it

[@billsimms2511]

@@jeffreyscott4997 I get the concept but in practical terms, it’s not going to work like they think it will. It’s just going to cause division

[@richardlyon67]

This pseudo-reality persists for two reasons: enough people believe it; not not enough people oppose it. Fixing the first is hard, but we can sure as hell do something about the second. What infuriates me are the people who know this is wrong, but remain silent.

[@vadimmedvedev7895]

Agreed. It is the same reason any cult historically gets out of hand. It is our duty to resist the toxic cult of identity politics.

[@gordontainsch2624]

I found the interview with Prof. Kindsvatter very insightful and sad, also. To know that this is going on in our universities in scary but I'm sad for the professor and those students who have to endure this psychological indoctrination and torture. It is not fair to anyone and must stop. Freddie asked some good questions and got good answers back from the professor. I, as a teacher, witnessed this indoctrination while taking a 'how to teach social studies' course at the U. of Rhode Island several years ago. That professor, when I pressed her, acknowledged that she was a leftist radical and that her goal was to 'radicalize' or indoctrinate' the young soon to be teachers. I was older so I was able to counter her arguments, as were some of the young women students. She was a pleasant enough woman but found everyone not on the Left, 'racist.' Sad.

[@robertdouglas8895]

Sadness can be replaced with purpose. Anger can be replaced with true purpose. Fear is replaced with love. ..At the bottom of all of this is believing in victimhood and victims sympathizing with victims. It's not new, but it's putting on a new face. We each make our own world as we want it to be. We are masters of our fate. Much of that is unconscious because we don't want to look at itor we will feel guilt, so we project it upon others to try to get rid of the guilt. But it doesn't work. Only forgiveness works, not sacrifice and belief in suffering.

[@sheeplehunter9651]

​@@robertdouglas8895 Unconscious guilt felt by whom? Guilt for what? You were rather vague and I prefer not make assumptions about what point you may or may not intended to make. In my opinion guilt is only appropriate when one doesn't stay true to themselves and gives into the mob. I would feel empty if I allowed myself to be bullied into wrongfully agreeing with accusations of which I am not guilty.

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@sheeplehunter9651 You're right about staying true to what you know to be true. The alternative is to feel conflicted trying to hold two opposites together. That puts us into fear, the opposite of love. So when you see people throwing accusations at others you'll find they are uncertain themselves but instead of becoming aware that they are unloving, they project their guilt onto others and if they can find others of like confusion to go along with them, that's even better. The answer to fear and anger is always to look within and ask what is unloving.

[@nandrumacparlan4086]

Let’s not confuse the political “left” with neo-liberal fascism, which is what we’re seeing here.

[@CrystalJ7]

love people like this Professor....good for you sir, calling out the Emperor's clothes. You are on the side of sanity! :-)

[@cgarv101]

It's hard to feel secure in a system (game) where you don't make the rules, and the rules keep on changing. Especially when those very rules can't be adequately defined.

[@obatemc]

Professor you need to hookup with Brett Weinstein immediately! Sounds like Evergreen State is gonna happen to you

[@dixonpinfold2582]

I have recently begun to wonder whether banding together for discussions as we do here, led by Mr. Sayers and his guests, is actually quite useless, or even harmful. It is certainly insufficient. What are we going to do?

[@PlasticSausages]

Yes, the Kafka traps of these Trojan horse viruses is laid bare by Bret.

[@martinb4272]

@@dixonpinfold2582 Eventually enough intellectuals of high merit will have either been labeled as a racist and pushed out, or left in silence by their own accord. Then we would be able to open up an entire university. Acadmia will have to reinvent itself. But yes, we are for the moment sitting idly by. I do not have the funds, but would like to see someone bringing together all those refusing to conform - into a resilient institution of learning founded on solid principles of science and critical thinking. Bret and Heather Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, John McWorther, Glenn Loury and so on, would be personalities that could draw people to it.

[@dixonpinfold2582]

@Rebecca Mattis Yes, telling the truth isn't harmful. But doing what we do here could be harmful in the same sense that not seeing the doctor about troubling symptoms is, i.e. harm through omitting one's proper actions, or duty. I'd like to think that watching and commenting here is supporting the right side of things, but I have to honestly admit it serves little purpose except to get me steamed. In a way it probably prevents me from doing something constructive. Mind you, I don't know what _would be_ constructive. I used to write comments to the NY Times excoriating their positions, and I fancied maybe they altered some people's views, but then they began to reject most of them for publication. I followed their commenting guidelines but I guess they found my rhetoric just too damn threatening in its incisive eloquence. ;) Just another centrist elbowed out of the discussion by those at the Left Pole, from which all points are Right.

[@dixonpinfold2582]

@Rebecca Mattis Sounds about right. I don't think I could attend a school board meeting without continuously vomiting, but yeah, I could accost some real legislators and write to others. The idea of trying to win converts among people in more ordinary walks of life like a Jehovah's Witness makes me queasy, too, but maybe it's not as bad as I think. Unlike a Jehovah's Witness, if things go poorly I could just pack it in and hit a bar instead. And I suppose it would be less dismal doing it with a friend. Thanks for your reply, Bex. :)

[@MR-tn5kv]

I’m a “person of color” & I have to say that indeed what used to be a frustrated call for white people to understand their privilege, has turned into a shaming of white people and I think that is sad & utterly counterproductive. I was quite traumatically shamed & discriminated against by (some) white people when new to this country & I do not wish that experience on anyone. It brings everyone down & closes dialogue. Dialogue: respectful listening & communication, are the only way to create true change & yes it’s a slow boat and not everyone will get on board...

[@charlesrosina6301]

The end goal of the powers that be is to divide us more and in so doing concentrate even more power and welt. In the end MLK was put out of the way when he tried to unite the black and white working class/ force.

[@thapthoptheep2076]

Indeed, we need to respect the value of personal accountability, we blame the bad people for being bad and reward the good for doing good, regardless of colour or race. They say they want balance, equality for races and genders - it's a flawed starting position, to forget the individual. It's not about equality, it's about power, always was. When they get that power it'll be all of us who will be up shit creek and they won't give a hoot what colour we are...and I don't think we will, either. Sorry you had bad experiences, it's just people in general, really. I moved from Scotland to England as a kid in the 80's and we used to get it, too, or mistaken as Irish. It wasn't terrible but it did happen from time to time, some people just wanna see the world burn. In Glasgow as a kid it was local gangs but sectarian and territorial stuff, any excuse to tear shit up.

[@unnecessaryapostrophe4047]

It's been very counterproductive. Many people I know who used to be vocally opposed to racism are now starting to feel like they have no other choice but to see things that way. If someone declares you their enemy because of your race, what choice do you have in the matter?

[@amyjoyce2301]

Except that it's not a privilege to be white. I should know, because I'm white lol. It simply doesn't save someone from getting treated like a second class citizen. If anything sets you apart from a group (class, ethnicity, language, etc) and you're around people that are stuck up, bullies, or assholes, they abuse you. It's just the sick nature of people. Don't get me wrong. You and others experienced oppression or worse specifically because of your race or skin tone, and that's a horrible thing. I'm not making light of it. It's just that one person's oppression isn't another persons privilege either. No doubt, the white privilege awareness campaign was/is part of the current gross trend of social manipulation being propagated toward the masses.

[@thapthoptheep2076]

@@amyjoyce2301 The big problem is that a lot of the complaints they have are legit, just framed incorrectly. It's not about race, their gripes mostly pertain to class. White kids growing up in ghettos...and they do, have for centuries, have nobody to blame for their failures in life, and as far as the media and politicians are concerned they're just useless 'chavs' Chav - a slur that is applied to mostly white, working class people who live in poor neighborhoods...I could draw various analogies to the word chav but I'd get banned, you all know what I mean. None of this was ever about skin colour it's about class...some black people need to wake up and realise the people they hate have the exact same problems they do, we should be united but they prefer it this way for some reason. When we finally stop fucking about with namecalling and get down to brass tacks we might finally figure out how to make it better for everyone. A white kid from Liverpool who grew up in a council flat is less likely to be a CEO or bank manager than anyone, same could be said for cockney lads, Glaswegian lads...being white won't get you a good job but being from the right class, talking and dressing the right way and having the right background will help you far more than the tone of your skin. They need to stop conflating race with class.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

This man is brave, and I'm proud of him. I wish I could give him a hug and a pat on the back and buy him lunch.

[@3m5r56]

After listening to this. I would never hire someone who went through the counseling courses. I would certainly not let them near children.

[@projectmalus]

I love this guy (Kindsvatter) 'cause he shows me a level of intelligence I can now strive for.

[@criticalobserver5720]

Mao would be proud. Our own domestic version of the little red book.

[@switchgears4831]

Brilliant interview and message. Relieved to see someone of position finally publicly recognize and speak out against this absolute insanity.

[@jbdbean242]

Finally? Many have, and were quickly suppressed and erased by the MSM and SM power holders. Deans, Superintendents, Teachers, have all been removed from their positions for far less.

[@candacepeters4349]

Freddie, thank you for having this conversation and your thoughtful questions about the topic. Much support and respect for you Professor. Praying for more brave professors to unit and speak up against this nonsense.

[@fiveleavesleft6521]

Great to see more people speaking out about this.

[@timmyhassett]

Brave man.

[@no-one-knows321]

Diversity, inclusion, equity is current Canadian government policy. No joke. I live there. Front row seat. The voters voted for this twice in a row. We're gonna get what we deserve.

[@shaalahhilaryanneivory2815]

We had to vote out a power mad apologist for nasty tar sand industry who shut down Parliament every time it wouldn't do what he wanted, and the only option was this immature, leftist fool. Problem here is the same as in the US: There is actually only one agenda and they just argue over what colour collar the devouring tiger of totalitarian control should wear. It's as Ralph Nader said, we've no choice, since "the only difference between Republicans and Democrats (or Labour and Tory, or Liberals and Conservatives, etc.) is the speed at which they fall to their knees when the corporations come calling".

[@billsimms2511]

They voted it in because they don’t know what it really is

[@mnkwazi]

@Peter Jarke seems like you are triggered. Which group do you hate most Mr.Fragility?

[@no-one-knows321]

@@mnkwazi Not hate. Disgust with. This video claims a threat. You don't agree. Your on the side of threat.

[@jbdbean242]

Recently saw the data regarding homeless in Canada, shocking to see it's even worse than the US.

[@michaelflowers5712]

"Poor bubble wrap generations feelers are hurt" Waaaaaa!-Never been so happy that I grew up in the 70's !!

[@jasonmckay4674]

Amen Brother, to not tolerate fools is not to be racist, but selective via case by case basis of whom presents as a fool and hence acts like one and has the weird self importance/entitlement that you should agree with their ideologies

[@unnecessaryapostrophe4047]

That's not what this is anymore. This isn't 2015. What we're dealing with now is a cult, and it's gaining ground faster than you can realize. It's time to fight back.

[@januarysson5633]

I was a kid in the 70s too. No bubble wrap back then. 😂😂😂

[@carowells1607]

We were lucky to be the last group who grew up without being indoctrinated with this nonsense.

[@4tdaz]

I have to say, I wish it was as simple as the young generation. It's just not. For every AOC there is a Biden Palosi or Sanders. The evil is not in the safety cravings. In my view that is the result of demagoguery of boomers on. I went to college in the 90s and I heard this crap all the time then. I remember a professor telling us the reason divorce rates were higher is because people live longer. That was the day I figured out I wasn't paying them to teach anything. I was paying to teach myself and get out with a piece of paper for my first job.

[@motheringabomination1958]

Totally support you Professor Kindsvatter. Keep on fighting and speaking the truth!

[@esldogrescues]

For some time now I've been mentally swapping out "-ist" accusations with "witch." It reminds me of accounts of witchcraft in Salem, as you said, and it's worth going into a lot more detail with those comparisons. The way anybody can shout "witch!" and it will stick, and it's extremely difficult to disprove (waiting until they start doing the float test, or balancing against a duck).But also how, once it's so easy to destroy people, it becomes a pasttime for some, and a means of social advancement and power-grabbing by more ambitious sociopaths. Professor Kindsvatter should just come out and admit he's a witch.

[@cairnsdm]

This sounds like a conversation that could have/should have taken place in Nazi Germany in the 1930’s. But they didn’t have Lockdown TV. Hope it makes a difference!

[@kenwaltson7113]

Actually the opposite the real Nazis killed communist and valued european culture it was the allis that brought all this on

[@forsetiaxe6784]

@@kenwaltson7113 exactly. The Allies defeated the Nazis and propped Hitler up as the ultimate evil and so the West went the opposite direction culturally. It's been a disaster since.

[@felawes]

As a white Englishman my family earned substantial sums from Caribbean slavery. Many of my forebears served in and fought throughout the British Empire including India, Burma, Kenya, South Africa, the Gulf, Egypt, and Palestine. Do I feel a racist? No not in the slightest.

[@mamagale5625]

Professor Kindsvatter should send this excellent video to the parents of his students. They may not be aware of what's going on.

[@megaloschemos9113]

Its good to hear his perspective

[@Mateo-et3wl]

who ever mistook vermont universities for places of free thought?

[@unnecessaryapostrophe4047]

Right? Charles Murray would like a word...

[@barrieellis2121]

Sounds like Scientology in many ways. Such an unhealthy thing to take hold. It will never make a better world.

[@davidaanestad9703]

Great guy!

[@AvalonMisty]

treat other people as you wish to be treated must it be so verbally complex?

[@padraigadhastair4783]

Great interview Freddie, as always. Thoughtful and incisive questions. Thanks!

[@deborahscalf259]

Such scary times for our nation right now. I am glad I don't have children in school, and I encourage those who do to pay close attention to what is happening, and speak out against it.

[@peterwestgarth5741]

Good luck Prof. You deserve to prevail.

[@garyward2088]

An interesting interview.I hope that the Prof's philosophy prevails.

[@ridesharegold6659]

Very. Public. Lawsuits. That's how this all ends.

[@meb280]

The courts are largely liberal and won't side with them. This won't happen in the courts, either, except maybe in rare circumstances.

[@billsimms2511]

That and it’s going to take groups of teachers standing up to this. This guy as much as I admire him is not enough on his own. I’m shocked at how cowardly most teachers are these days

[@thapthoptheep2076]

@@billsimms2511 Yeah, it's awful - I reckon this is only the beginning phase - the teachers are mostly uni educated and often now required to take some leftist classes. So you have a new wave of up and coming teachers and professors who are more hard-core, and they in turn push it and they just get progressively worse - in the meantime they've all started to infiltrate society, industry, government. This is a sign of what's coming, I genuinely don't think it's reversible any more, it'd require therapy on a global scale....it's too late.

[@jbdbean242]

Very public?? Communication and broadcast media are already under total control. When one lawsuit is won, the story is buried and the participants hushed, bamn.

[@alexspareone3872]

"The work is never done" scenario he describes is exactly the technique that was used in Chinese "re education" and POW camps. Its exactly the same. BTW, I would recommend William Sargents books "Battle for the mind" and "war on the mind" to understand these processes.

[@paulinewhite3273]

This of course is the devil's strategy, we must protect our minds.

[@thenewmayorofcrazytown7392]

Just plain evil

[@1pointt21gW]

QUESTION: What does it say about our values when we automatically and visciously attack anybody who speaks with honesty and courage to say what the majority of others already feel but are are not able to say? ANSWER: Our society is rotting at it's core.

[@stephanielux]

Glad you asked about what was being incorporated into the college. I have found this troubling in this field, too.

[@lauriegrube007]

Please continue fighting the good fight, Mr. Kindsvatter. Thank you for bringing awareness to these issues.

[@MarkKap]

“Researchers have found that violence and cruelty has four general causes: greed and ambition; sadism; high self-esteem and moral idealism. Popular belief and clichéd stories tend to have it that greed and sadism are dominant. In fact, they’re vanishingly small. It’s actually high self-esteem and moral idealism-convictions of personal and moral superiority-that drive most acts of evil.” -Will Storr

[@shippys2043]

Interesting I’m thinking...

[@juliawinsa4260]

That’s fascinating... Need to dive into, investigate, more... Though it seems to make sense on some kind of intuitive level...

[@MarkKap]

@@juliawinsa4260 "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." Storr references Jonathan Haidt's book 'The Happiness Hypothesis' (p. 75). if you want to learn a LOT about your own mind, though, I recommend you familiarize yourself with Will Storr's books (Selfie is a good starting point).

[@juliawinsa4260]

@@MarkKap I appreciate it, thanks, I'll directly add this to my booklist. The proverb is FAB. But then again, is it "good intentions", or what we believe (=tell ourselves) to be good intentions, for what if they obfuscate chunks of egoistic aims, like self-esteem boost (e.g. being heroic and virtuous for the show)...?

[@bendrixbailey1430]

Man is that corrupt. High self esteem is the mark of a healthy psychology and a rational mind. Moral idealism is the idea that ethical decisions must be based on principles, not emotions or expediency. You need to read some Objectivist philosophy man.

[@MrBqualls100]

Why would anyone desire to be put into a victim category in the first place? The desire itself is a weird and new kind of attitude - being so widely spread across a whole population, anyways.

[@jbdbean242]

Exactly, it is creepy weird at this point. Haven't we been fighting so long to be recognized on our own? That said, pity-ploys are a very common emotional manipulation tactic used by narcissists and sociopaths to gain control of their victims. Common traits among parasites.

[@UrbanomicInteriors]

Because a victim that people feel sorry for gives you leverage to manipulate.

[@petersolomon5227]

Congratulations Freddie Sayers, your work on this channel is exemplary.

[@hazyfoz1573]

This is so disturbing

[@TheClassicWorld]

Note: Going by the title alone, I thought he was, himself, an anti-white racist (quite common these days), but it seems that he is actually against anti-white(ness) racism. My mistake -- and shocking, I guess, that my instant reaction was that he was a racist because racism is now so common and normalised. How far we have come...

[@thapthoptheep2076]

I was the same, to be honest. Great interview and interviewer/guest but the title was poorly worded.

[@JP-xq7fo]

Those counseling students better get ready to hear many different viewpoints in the real world and to dissect them in a nonbiased way, because clearly so far they haven't learned that lesson yet...

[@cameronidk2]

The Dr Jordan Peterson a heavily cited Scientist, a Professor of psychology, a practicing clinician for 20 odds years.. was accused of the same thing's or ruffley similar things by some odd person who i don't even think was a psychologist .. maybe a sociologist during the hearing's on Bill -C 16 .. it was absurd!

[@maxlibero9374]

From Italy: thanks for your video and your work. It's quite scary what's happening these days in some college and in the media industry. I hope the American men of good will shall find the courage to overcome this new form of racism against white people. I hope you well prof. Aaron Kindsvatter, and i wish you luck for your fight, that is a fair battle

[@carrotsintherabbithole4748]

They consciously avoided the term Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity, or DIE

[@mrbattowel]

Now it's Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, or DEI - as in Opus DEI (I take the Dei to mean "god").

[@literatious308]

IED as well. Improvised explosive device

[@harrymills2770]

I think we're gonna see more and more of these stories. JBP, Lindsey Shepherd, were just the first two pebbles in the avalanche.

[@stevehousden2699]

I saw this at UCLA in the early '90s. It was much much smaller....and I never thought it would metastasize to what it is now. ...thanks for the "multiracial whiteness" anecdote. I just ruined my keyboard with the coffee coming out of my nose.

[@katherinenovikov1915]

"Something that latches on the best part of ourselves, the part we give in love and weaponized it" ...sounds like what our ancestors called evil.

[@cj-nyc2057]

good work professor Aaron ...stand strong.

[@remingtonsmooth1417]

~12:43 "You must adopt this ideology or people are going to be harmed" sounds an awful lot like like the phrase "Nobody moves, nobody gets hurt!", frequently said while robbing people.

[@moorek1967]

Several years ago, I knew a professor who was telling me about an incident where she (very liberal, SJW, virtue signaller) was called white privileged and racist by a young man and she was stunned and shocked because it hurt her feelings because she was the ally..... I really wanted to tell her that she got what she paid for.

[@allydea]

I have asked a few times with no success: is there a patreon account where I can support this channel? Please let me know.

[@UnHerd]

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[@gammasmash1924]

Freddie does great job of making people expound upon and clarify their stance on things.

[@infernonigh0]

He's made both the bravest and arguably, most lucrative move of his professional career.

[@Triple070007]

"The thing that happens in abuse relationships, is that one will try to control another by suggesting that there's something deeply wrong with the first." Interesting point! That's exactly the kind of thing that used to be called emotional / psychological abuse of a partner: Constant undermining of the person's identity, confidence, ideas, trying to make them feel crazy or bad until they even start to believe it. He's better equipped to notice this being in the psychiatric field.

[@bmardini]

Its a combination of gaslighting, stockholm's syndrome, racism and power. These people are evil to the core

[@jbdbean242]

These are inherent tactics of narcissists and sociopaths. And psychopaths, while we're at it - remember Manson's agenda?

[@ringothecat1462]

Thank you Aaron! Watching from nearby New Brunswick ,Canada. Much support!

[@thechristiankaren2229]

The abuser/abusive example in this discussion about “doing the work” is exactly how the recent Bachelor talked to his girlfriend in the final show. So toxic.

[@markeddowes1467]

Hey Freddy could you do an interview about the UN as a moribund and tepid institution allowing constantly massacres, Rwanda, South Sudan, Ethiopia, Syria 🇸🇾 the list goes on and on with the martyrdom of the Burmese today being the last awful example! 🙏

[@inbox0000]

the UN is not a government its a forum created to avoid all out war

[@melmorrison1400]

@@inbox0000 well it’s done a pretty crap job for years.

[@gavrinmahaffey3656]

Thank you for this conversation 👍

[@johncitizen3227]

🎶 Ebony and Ivory,.... I forget the rest. Think it goes La la la then it’s got the word ‘ Love ‘ in it.🤔

[@brushstroke3733]

Come together in perfect harmony (on a piano, anyway.)

[@chelseapoet3664]

@@brushstroke3733 ..."oh lord, why can't we?"

[@rick4electric]

Secular religion is a great way of looking at what is going on here! Unfortunately for them THAT "religion" is not protected for the simple reason that it is not a recognized religious belief! They themselves would object to calling their belief system religious, even though a brief look at a good dictionary should relieve them of their objection!

[@rhrh100]

I like how this guy focuses on the definitions of words and how they are undefined or defined in vague or absurd ways;

[@vivekra]

In general society has become polarized and it's difficult to disagree and have a discussion without name calling. No one wants to concede eve an inch on any topic because it makes them feel stupid and confused.

[@shippys2043]

Kind of like quicksand. It begins to feel like the harder you fight it the worse it gets.

[@Orson2u]

If you feel stupid and confuse, you’re likely being conned. All mod cons. The kids ain’t All Right.

[@sifridbassoon]

congratulations sir on your bravery, and good luck

[@jjharvathh]

This is a very good, clear and interesting interview. Amazing that this discussion is needed - how can so many people be going crazy now, where does that craziness come from? I have seen this before. People that are full of venom will accuse others of being bad, but they can not define clearly....insane.

[@chelseapoet3664]

It sounded like the Professor's voice was breaking at the end, as if he was about to cry. And who could blame him - when you stand up against racism and get called a racist, have colleagues and students and your employer turn against you and have your livelihood threatened. All power to this brave man.

[@KarlDMarx]

The more I listen to these stories the sadder I feel. #RedBeretsMatter

[@iloverumi]

great guest and interview

[@lordcrunk4790]

My race is no longer white, it's now Peach.

[@publiusvelocitor4668]

What is in their thinking? Either hoping to appease the Beast, in hopes of being eaten last, a petty obsession with power over others, or an unthinking allegiance to unexamined ideas which have been aggressively marketed to them?

[@rick4electric]

Certain aspects of "racism" are true or the whole subject could not exist! Read that over and over again until you understand it! If you got it the first time, bravo! You are the TRULY awakened and enlightened person!

[@lapislazulii141]

It’s simply a communist term aimed at the genocide of ethnic whites

[@ricardohudson8836]

When you start accusing others of racism, eventually they'll become what you accuse them of, and that will be the last thing you'll want to bring upon yourself.

[@theLARGEKahoona]

Intelligence and 'higher education' do not mix

[@anonjan82]

Professors should resign together in protest.

[@mountainbuttons]

It's so, so encouraging to hear from people who are knowledgeable and concerned about these issues. Keep standing up for truth and logic Prof Kindsvatter!