Versus Series: Darth Bane vs Darth Caedus

[@RobTerra]

Well the season 3 finale is finally here! I know this one took some time to come out but with school in full swing it was hard to find time to edit this behemoth of a video so thank you all for your patience! Hope you all enjoy!

[@dragonballtalk8527]

You talk a little fast for me I'm a old man

[@christophercummins4491]

Hey Rob I hope you know that you deserve one thousand subs!

[@draconianemanations2785]

@@dragonballtalk8527 go to settings and make it play slower. You can speed up videos or slow them down. 😉

[@phorz85]

U r mistaken with ur statement of force lightning n how it shouldn't even b able to touch yv. They have n innert force field to interact with, which obviously keeps any such attacks like mindtricks n psychic functions in general as long the force projection of the target is the way that serves as "interface". The lack of this tho', doesn't effect at all his abilities that r useful against inanimate/dead objects which includes tk and also various ways of projected energiy which can b in for of temperatur manipulation mixed into force pushes to throw fire or freezing cold air. Likewise it includes all kinds of force lightning as long the target is conducive for electricity. A yv would b vulnarable against all attacks that would b able of damaging a corpse. Why there were so little use of this fact in the yv books i don't know. But it's simply following the logical rules that apply. There was 4 example a bit, where a yv was grapt n lifted in the air, which poved the basic rules that also would extend to other techniques. Actually all, that r projecting directed energy for an effect based on physics. There were a few times when yv got forcepushed but usually the warriors were more heavy set than average humanoids n the power that was appliable quick enough n with the least demand on foccussing, was usually to ineffective. In one case they said that the blast that was usually could lift n blow away a similar opponent in statue, was only enough to push back the more advanced warriors for 2 or 3 steps. I think they further said that this effect was of no more use in usual combat but still a good emergency tactic if a duel turns bad. That was therefore reason to try not to use tk attacks if not needed, so the yv won't grow use to these attacks n become prepaired to block or counter it in a life or death situation. A quite good reasoning i find. I wish that lotf's books wold b at least close to as solid as the yv books. Stuff like that half of luke's family drama would just disappear if not everyfamily member refuses to talk to more than 1 in full trust. Even whith the enemy plot slowly getting clear. As soon ben opened up to mara again, she had no longer an excuse to allow him to shut out luke. It would have been her job to convince n reassure ben n to explain to him how he hurts his dad just like he did her. imagine the effect ifmara would've told luke all b4 she went 4 jacen. He would prolly have figured out that jacen is the antagonist to focus on. Mara wouldn't have been killed, jacens sith upgrade also would hsve had to wait... He perhaps even would've killed lumiya himself.

[@Alarcj7]

Let me guess, Caedus takes this, but Bane isn't helpless. Congrats in 1K.

[@RobTerra]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@daddydreet145]

I'd just like them to meet. exchange philosophy. train each other. they are the 2 greatest Sith ever.

[@TinyTorah]

“Greatest” meaning?

[@AndreVeaseyJr]

Funny enough, the first Sith master of the Rule of Two meeting the last Sith master of the Rule of Two.

[@maylabrown4584]

Well character wise I’d say so but besides that meh

[@ethanngai3663]

finally, someone who doesn't sell Jacen so damn short. (looking at Evan and Jensaarai) He nearly equaled an enhanced Jaina, who is a better duelist, while severely injured. Not to mention the fights with council masters whose preference is battle oriented. He may put as much emphasis on his lightsaber form as his force powers, but to underestimate him as a duelist is nothing short of suicide.

[@mr_crickert0236]

Well anyone who can take on three Jedi Masters (with varying results) and live to fight again has to be highly skilled

[@dudewithahat5329]

You guys don’t think he specialized in Form 6?

[@dimond360_]

I agree I feel Niman made up the backbone of his technique with Djem So and the three rings as extra styles that he added on and layered

[@ethanngai3663]

@@dimond360_ I feel it could also be that Niman is his culmination form similar to how Juyo practitioners have to have at least 2 other forms under their belt. I can see both being true as Jacen was a very scholarly person. quick question does anyone else think the Three rings is a more advanced version of Niman instead of Shii-Cho?

[@mr_crickert0236]

@@ethanngai3663 I say a bit of both. with Shii-Cho's simplicity and with the style being the first style you learn. Niman as it is very versatile and as it takes elements from the different forms, hence the name the three rings of defence.

[@benjaminjones2185]

So you're saying Mara Jade a master assassin viewed Jason as a real threat and did her best to take away any advantage he could have, like an assassin would.

[@ACrazedGaming]

As someone who is a huge fan of Star Wars legends I’m glad that darth caedus got some love

[@draconianemanations2785]

I only watch legends related material, I consider everything Disney has produced to be abject trash. The only way a channel like this one gets views from someone like ME is if they cover Legends material. ✌😁

[@dazdavis7896]

Bane would wreck Caedus.

[@JukeHighwalker]

@@dazdavis7896 He would of annihilated him. Complete and total destruction...

[@dimond360_]

Yessss! This is awesome! Still can’t believe it’s over an hour long but my hype is above the world. Love both characters so much. Can’t wait to watch this no doubt a master piece

[@RobTerra]

Dimond360 _ thanks for the kind words as always!!!

[@dimond360_]

@@RobTerra I just finished the video an man what a beautiful work of art it was. Both Bane and Caedus got the credit they deserve and proved to be close matches for each other. This was one of the most enjoyable versus battles I have ever seen from any versus maker ever period and I don't just say that to everyone. I also came up with a versus series idea for season 4 if your interested but I think it's right up your ally. Cade Skywalker vs Arcaan. Thank you again for this video it was truely a special surprise

[@dudewithahat5329]

Dimond360 _ Imo, I think Arcann is a more well rounded martial artist and a MUCH more powerful force wielder then Cade. I don’t think Arcann would have much trouble.

[@achimpanzee9210]

There’s really no argument when it comes to dueling. If Caedus is capable of beating Kyle and be comparable to Luke then Bane is getting throttled in that category

[@dazdavis7896]

Lmfao. You’re literally incompetent. Bane is a SUPERIOR swordsman to Katarn in every way. And just as good IF NOT better than Luke. Luke is nowhere near the best swordsman in Star Wars. His father takes that title-he is DIRECTLY STATED as such multiple times in multiple different sources. Luke is top 10 sure, but he’s NOT top 5. STOP being a blatant fanboy. YOUR utterly irrelevant headcanon IS NOT Star Wars kid…. Caedus absolutely DID NOT “outduel” Kyle Katarn. You’ve VERY clearly never actually even READ it at all. He literally had to cheap shot him by pulling a massive object into his back from behind to push into his blade impaling him. He beat him by trickery. He was getting waxed blade to blade. Bane is one of the top 10 swordmasters in Star Wars. Caedus and Katarn are top 30 at absolute best. Again-your headcanon is not Star Wars. Stop bein a fanboy. Bane outclasses Caedus in every single way. He’s more powerful, he’s a far superior swordsman, like it’s not even close. The amount of blatant NJO fanboys that adhere strictly to their OWN headcanon in these versus series videos is utterly hilarious. That’s why nobody even takes these seriously anymore. It’s nothing but a circle jerk for NJO fanboys.

[@JukeHighwalker]

@@dazdavis7896 Keep fighting the good fight. You are absolutely correct...

[@andreetc6102]

Darth Caedus vs Darth Krayt

[@DropkickNation]

That would be epic. Post Vector Krayt with full powered Caedus is a great contender for the place of second most powerful sith in history.

[@AndreVeaseyJr]

Depends on which version of Krayt.

[@DropkickNation]

@@AndreVeaseyJr Which is why I said "Post Vector Kryat" lol

[@obamawasreal0264]

​@@AndreVeaseyJrReborn is the only one that can do anything and even then Ceadus is closer in power to Luke then Krayt was

[@ForklifterMatt]

LFG!! My boi! What a beast of a VS video! Also, finally a video that does Darth Caedus justice, someone who can easily contend with the likes of Darth Bane. Perfect as always bro

[@RobTerra]

Thanks bro!

[@DarthVaderReturns1]

@@RobTerra i prefer jacen solo/darth caedus more i hate ben solo/kylo ren

[@KumaoftheForest]

@@DarthVaderReturns1 we all hate Darth Angst

[@lordvader1993ger]

You deserve more subs! Most impressive work!

[@RobTerra]

Thank you my lord

[@timothyvanhoeck233]

0:15 "3,000 years before the Battle of Yavin, the Sith Umpire was arguably the greatest power in the galaxy" Ah yes, the power of baseball fanaticism had truly taken over the galaxy.😅

[@xeronix9774]

underrated channel, well done

[@RobTerra]

Xeronix thanks for the kind words!

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

I always pictured Anthony Ingruber as a possible cast for Jacen/Caedus, and Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Jaina.

[@kinhsenpai3675]

Incredible video! I believe you should do a Versus video between Darth Malak vs Anakin Skywalker ( Before his turn to the dark side ).

[@georgejackson2212]

Rencelty found your Chanel, keep it up mate. Quality content

[@OkMakuTree]

Great video Rob! I have a bit of an odd request, could we ever see a Versus video featuring Lord Kaan as one of the combatants? I know he’d be difficult to quantify due to lack of combat showings, but I’ve always been curious as to how he’d stack up against other Dark Siders since he’s an aberration among the Sith. I totally understand if he’s too theoretical to work with!

[@RobTerra]

Myself and forkliftermatt have tried using kaan however it’s very tough due to no martial feats. Theoretically he could be used it’s just a matter of how much inferring you’d have to do because of that i don’t know if I’d ever use him in a full blown video like this but perhaps a vs short one of these days

[@OkMakuTree]

@@RobTerra That makes sense! Thanks for the reply, keep up the great work!

[@dimond360_]

Would you ever consider using Jaina Solo Fel or Mara Jade Skywalker in a versus video?

[@KumaoftheForest]

@Wes Bradley-Taubner I would say Jaina, Zannah is too specialized and focused on Soresu.

[@TinyTorah]

First off, I’m a bit confused why someone would do a versus match-up between these two; it seems quite mismatched in Caedus’ favor. So, I’m very curious as to your reasoning for this match-up, and what kinds of arguments you could have for Bane at least being a good opponent for Caedus. 0:16, um, pretty sure the first time the Sith defeated The Republic was when Sidious did it. 13:34, Bane wasn’t bloodlusted/blinded by rage in the fight on Tython. He was only bloodlusted twice: -When he thought Zannah had betrayed him right after his fight with the Umbral Shadow Assassins and Hetton, and attacked her. -In his camp on Ambria after a failed painstaking attempt at creating a holocron. 20:44, now, this could apply for strength too, but I don’t feel too bad about giving Bane the edge there. However, I think calling Bane and Caedus rough equals when it comes to speed is pretty charitable for Bane given Caedus essentially matched Luke. This Luke btw should scale above the version of Luke who, with some help from Leia’s force harmony, fought and bested DE Sidious, who easily scales above RotS Sids, who moved so quickly in combat with Mace Windu, that, to Anakin Skywalker, ANAKIN SKYWALKER, appeared to be fading in and out of existence. By all rights, this should apply to more than just speed, but all precog., force aug. and dueling skill, which places Caedus leagues above Bane, but we’ll see where your video goes… 21:14, while Bane is probably one of the few good contenders against Caedus when it comes to endurance/durability, and all that, Bane should not get the edge there. Bane is far more skilled than most when it comes to persevering through pain, but Caedus has straight up MASTERED pain, using it nigh-instantly to boost his own abilities. One could argue Bane indirectly essentially did this via his orbalisks, but I’m assuming he doesn’t have those for this match-up, that it’s DoE Bane vs. Caedus. 25:25, not that it’s all that relevant, but… source for Bane changing his lightsaber crystal, and source for him getting a crystal from Qordis??? 26:56, you’re omitting a very important bit of context… that Zannah tripped over a freshly dug grave, and THAT’s what allowed Bane to injure her. If that hadn’t happened actually, Zannah would have ended the fight much sooner because she was simultaneously effectively defending against Bane’s onslaught WHILE charging up one of her Sith spells. The spell she ended up casting against Bane that ALMOST overcame him was instead a significantly watered down version of the spell she was initially charging up. That said, the point to be made in favor of Bane is indeed that Bane almost overwhelmed Zannah’s defenses with his Juyo. ‘Almost’ isn’t as impressive as actually doing the thing though. 27:09, wrong. He only did this while Worror Dowmat’s battle meditation was broken. I literally just double-checked. 27:39, it seems you, like many, are victim to believing at least some of the many misconceptions surrounding Bane’s orbalisk armor. 36:03, except that’s objectively not Caedus stating that. It’s not a first-person narration, nor is it in quotation marks. It’s the author of the book (a book which has been vetted and approved by official Star Wars editors) stating Caedus is the best duelist of his time, second only to Luke. 41:28, the only way it’s acceptable for you to compare Bane to Luke in this context is truly ONLY in regard to pure fighting skill. If we’re factoring in precog. and force aug. for example, GM Luke obliterates Bane, as does Caedus. 🤷‍♂️ 41:40, first off, nah, Caedus would walk away unscathed (again, unless this hypothetical is without not just active, but all passive Force abilities as well). THEN, sure, it’s far more even, and without being able to draw on The Force, but only relying on their own skill and human limitations, I could perhaps lean toward Bane winning. Second, let’s say you are factoring in passive Force abilities in this round, and let’s also say, somehow Bane and Caedus manage to injure each other an equal amount… I completely disagree that Bane would be the one to shrug off his injuries better than Caedus. With Bane, many of his injuries he’s incurred have left him at least momentarily vulnerable. With Caedus, as I’ve already stated above, has shown in numerous different examples to be able to take an injury in the midst of battle, and nigh-seamlessly and near-instantaneously carry on in the fight. 41:47, substantiation for Caedus not using his lethal darts against Bane? Pretty sure, he wouldn’t hesitate to use any and all the tools at his disposal, should he need them. That said, he doesn’t need them against Bane. 42:23, only way this makes sense is of course if this would be without passive Force abilities, with Bane and Caedus only able to rely on their skill on normal physical capabilities. 43:52, um, Bane most certainly did not EFFORTLESSLY raze the Rakatan Temple on Lehon. The text explicitly says that, prior to unleashing that force wave, Bane had gathered his energies while Kas’im was slightly monologuing. Even if we assume Kas’im said what he said QUICKLY, it still amounts to around 10 whole seconds, which, needless to say, is plenty of time to charge up a force attack. And also in the example of Belia Darzu’s fortress, Bane is explicitly said to have gathered his energies first. So again, not effortlessly. That said, both above feats should not be overlooked by anyone; they’re highly impressive. However, as I’ve proven, they aren’t quite as impressive as you’re painting them out to be. 44:16, technically speaking, everyone who’s made a holocron is able to do as Bane did, and move things telekinetically on a microscopic level. A better example of Bane’s combative expertise and precision with TK is when Bane casually tosses his lightsaber, and it crosses the expanse of, I believe Kaan’s camp, and beheads a mercenary (so quickly and deftly, it takes a whole second later for the head to topple)... all in a fraction of a second, before returning to Bane's grasp. ^And that was about 20 years pre-prime. 1:00:48, “6/10” nah. Glad you at least had Caedus as the victor here, but he wins 10/10 times, and it’s not close. As I touched on nearer the top of this response, Caedus’ scaling off of Luke simply places him leagues above Bane. Bane

[@dazdavis7896]

Mismatched in Caedus’ favor?? Leagues above Bane?? 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 Congratulations blatantly PROVING you have absolutely NO idea what you’re even babbling on about at all. YOUR irrelevant headcanon IS NOT Star Wars kid. Period. Bane & Sidious are roughly direct equals. The 2 strongest Sith Lords in Star Wars-surpassed in strength ONLY by the Pre-suited Vader, who only lasted a few days so he doesn’t exactly count…. Like the fact that you just tried to state that a Annan and “Cognus” are SUPERIOR to Bane utterly PROVES you do not know a thing about Star Wars at all. Bane was absolutely dominating Zannah. And she waited until he was frail to even fight him, ravaged by the Orbalisks that had plagued his body for a decade. He was never fully healed of that once they were removed. And he STILL completely dominated her the entire fight. You’re hilarious. She literally had to draw in the nexus they were standing next to and unleash a spell that she absolutely NEVER would have been able to do had they been standing literally ANYWHERE else on the planet. Have you ACTUALLY ever even READ the novels at all??? I very highly doubt it. You just assume Zannah kills Bane so Zannah > Bane. You’re as gullible as they come. And Caedus was completely pinned to his chair by Luke and couldn’t even move a single muscle kid. He later only “beat” Katarn by cheap-shotting him pulling a massive object into his back to impale him on his blade, and Katarn still survived. Caedus is nowhere NEAR the swordsman Bane is. 2nd ONLY to Vader/Anakin as the greatest form 5 powerhouse in all of Star Wars. And being 2nd to the one directly stated as the greatest swordmaster in galactic history and the greatest warrior ever is a feat in itself. Bane is one of the top 10 Swordmasters in Star Wars. Caedus IS NOT. He’s maybe top 30 at absolute best as a duelist. You’re such a blatant NJO fanboy that it’s ridiculous. Caedus is OVERTLY overrated. And you’re attempting to undercut Bane so hard it’s almost not even funny. Just stop trying. You’ve already proven you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. At all.

[@TinyTorah]

@@dazdavis7896 I’m 31, bitch. 😅 Cute that you calling me a kid makes you feel tough and hard over the internet though. Whatever works for your fragile ego. 👍 So, let me start by saying I absolutely dwarf you in Bane-knowledge. The only other person who is perhaps a bigger Bane expert than me is EmperorDMB. I’ve read the Bane trilogy probably nearing several to a dozen times now, and have notes on each book, each over 5000 words. Me saying Bane loses here is an example of me not allowing bias to factor into the equation, which is clearly far more than I can say for you. Oh dude, this is hilarious! The irony of you saying I don’t know what I’m talking about, yet you say such asinine and downright erroneous things like: Bane and Sidious are rough equals; Bane dominated Zannah; Zannah waited until Bane was “frail” to challenge him; Bane never being fully healed from the orbalisks; Thinking Bane and Zannah were standing “next to” a dark side nexus in their final duel. 😅 You then go on to embarrass yourself further, saying more stupid things like: Caedus only beat Kyle due to a “cheap-shot”; Bane being the 2nd best Djem So master in all of Star Wars; Hilariously misremembering the excerpt concerning Kas’im; Caedus being MAYBE in the top 30 best duelists but not the top 10. 😂 Bruh, this is gold! 🤣 If you actually want to learn a thing or two about Star Wars, I invite you to join “Force Power Battles: The Community” and/or “Star Wars Epic Battles” on Facebook. Way easier to do a back-and-forth btw than KZbin. 🤷‍♂️

[@TinyTorah]

@@dazdavis7896, I also find it utterly laughable that, had you actually read my above comment rather than merely the first paragraph, you wouldn’t have spewed half the bullshit you said. 😅

[@JukeHighwalker]

@@dazdavis7896 This! You are well versed... 👍

[@kaisuzugamori9606]

RobTerra I really enjoy your content I love the fact there is no bias from you Which is really refreshing.

[@LumosTheromax]

The villains are coming.

[@darren01ify]

I'd disagree that Caedus bested Katarn through superior dueling ability. The text illustrates that he beat him through slight of hand more than anything.

[@username2739]

Yeah, but he still is superior since he fended off against him and 2 other knights at the same time

[@thewhitenovemberssorrow6013]

Blaster bolts are far from the speed of light they are plasma not laser other than that awesome video cant wait for more!

[@poppasquat8299]

This video was incredible. You are having down the best Star Wars vs. youtuber out there! Nice to see Caedus getting some love! I can't believe how much people underestimate him! I would even disagree with you slightly on the dueling section. As Luke is best duelist and most powerful force user in history, Jacen, who sent him away nearly as wounded as he was himself easily comes in as the number 2 duelist in history. But I can see how other interpretations can exist. Great job!

[@RobTerra]

Thanks for the kind words! Very much appreciated:)

[@kirillzakharov7336]

while Caedus isn't on the level with duelists like Windu or Dooku, he is damn close to them. His ability to defend himself against such high caliber opponents as Jaina, Mara Jade, Katarn, and Luke, not to mention that all were willing to kill him at the time, means that he is at least equal to Bane as a martial artist, and likely even superior.

[@granola9036]

@@kirillzakharov7336 completely wrong

[@kirillzakharov7336]

@@granola9036 on what basis?

[@granola9036]

@@kirillzakharov7336 caedus not being on the level on windu or dooku, there were one of the best in THEIR ERA, also it was stated that caedus shatterpoint was better then mace, I mean the dude was reacting to a enrage Luke who if you'd like to argue , a better duelist then count or windu

[@darklord7289]

Interesting matchup, I am honestly kinda torn between the verdict. Even though I probably hold Bane in a higher regard , Caedus is certainly great competition. I feel this is a very interesting contrast as for the sith equivalent of Jedi guardian(Bane) and counselor(Caedus). Bane to me is more powerful, pragmatic and talented , where Caedus is more flexible, dynamic and skilled. What always calls me to a Star Wars versus match up is how they have felt with other people in their eras who draw contracts with this competition. In Bane’s era, there is no one on a degree as caedus nor either same skill nor flexibility, in Caedus era he has certainly faced just powerful Jedi who I would contrast on a power scale with Bane who are also just as strong and talented. I guess because of this maybe Caedus could have a leg up, but I still remain split for who I could declare a winner.

[@darklord7289]

updated opinion: i do believe Caedus would win , though Bane would make him work hard for it.

[@parkersummerlin865]

This is a really cool video. I have some future suggestions for your versus series episodes. Ahsoka Tano vs Lucien Draay Kit Fisto vs Lucien Draay Darth Maul vs Grand Inquisitor Jaden Korr vs Anakin Skywalker Lord Hoth vs Kyle Katarn Lord Hoth vs Darth Maul Cal Kestis vs Kanan Jarrus Ulic Qel-Droma vs Galen Marek Galen Marek vs Jaden Korr Plo Koon vs Kit Fisto vs Ki-Adi-Mundi Anakin Skywalker vs Galen Marek Rahm Kota vs Plo Koon Mace Windu vs Obi-wan Kenobi Inquisitor Jerec vs Grand Inquisitor Ahsoka Tano vs Ven Zallow Arcann vs Darth Maul Arcann vs Starkiller Mace Windu vs Darth Malgus Plo Koon vs Luke Skywalker (Return of the Jedi) Ahsoka Tano vs Rahm Kota Ahsoka Tano vs Qui Gon Jinn

[@mr_crickert0236]

Phoenix Exalt has done a Jaden Korr vs Anakin Skywalker

[@kirillzakharov7336]

@@mr_crickert0236 ye i watched it. can not help bu agree with him. and Antoine Bandele did Anakin vs Galen Marek

[@StevenZissimos]

You insult Maul by pairing him with Grand Inquisitor 😂

[@chefmatthewlafferty]

Nice usage of the Last Dragonborn's theme.

[@darthmorgoththesecond9990]

Heresy using TCW Bane

[@RobTerra]

Darth Morgoth The second hahaha only in the artwork EU bane for everything else

[@chefmatthewlafferty]

One could say that Jacen was a practitioner of Form 6.

[@Miguel11190]

Please use Cronal, Irek Ismaren, Brakiss, or Kueller in a future versus match.

[@ccl7983]

I wanna see Darth Caedus , Anakin , Luke , Kylo ren , Rey , Obi wan , Jaina Solo , Revan , Mace Windu , Darth Bane , Ahsoka & Yoda vs Abeloth

[@lapplandkun9273]

you must be drinking if you want rey and kylo ren in these versus series episodes

[@ccl7983]

@@lapplandkun9273 how ? It’s my opinion, I hate Rey just like you but It’s my opinion if I want her in a battle , not yours , you can either respect my opinion or be disrespectful and criticize it

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@ccl7983 Because she is completely inconsistent. Her fights in the sequel trilogy are completely random and based heavily on the trilogy's ridiculous plot armor. Her force abilities just come at random with no sense of logic. She's a result of bad writing. It's impossible to scale her or give her a good fight, and the only fights she has been in was against kylo ren, who is also a joke that actually had potential, but was ruined by the directors. kylo is better fit for a versus match, but he was potential killed by Disney. He was a joke throughout the entire trilogy and the comics also don't help, he went up against low to mid level tier padawans from luke's jedi order and won, but the victory is completely negated since luke considered kylo his finest pupil. Years later, with training by luke and snoke, he loses in TFA by plot armor MaRey Sue. At best, he's low level dark jedi, significantly below Xanatos, aurra sing, or any other dark sider who's not a sith.

[@ccl7983]

@@lapplandkun9273 I agree , Kylo is the best in sequels without a doubt , Adam driver is incredible

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@ccl7983 i might have scaled kylo incorrectly though, since I'm biased against his character. He's about low to mid jedi knight level, but as to who he might be equal or scale directly to as comparison, savage oppress would be his comparison

[@franchescamorgan4190]

Darth Caedus vs Bane is a great match up indeed. I see and saw Caedus winning but it wasn't going to he easy at all for Jacen. For me its like 6/10 Caedus. People tend to think thats bad. 6/10 is a nice way of saying he has to be on his Ps and Qs at all times as 5.5 is too easy to make. If Caedus makes one mistake and one lack of judgement he loses. 40% of winning is still on the table its not in the realm of it being an upset but leaves no room for comfort. 7/10 means its a slight good fight for abit maybe a stagger more room for mistakes but the fight will end the way it was supposed to. An upset is possible. 8/10 and above is in the no chance terroritory. Any win from here is an upset

[@kirillzakharov7336]

bane being a superior duelist to katarn? could you explain your reasoning?

[@BlackSteelKeyChain]

Finally my boi jacen/caedus gets some love. So many people underestimate him. He went toe to toe with Luke the most powerful jedi and best duelist in history and not only wasn't stomped but matched him blow for blow. It was said Luke was passed out for days in bacta due to his injuries. The only thing that ended their fight to the death was Ben sneaking up behind him with a vibroblade. I believe they're fight is a tose up and could go either way. Jacen saw him killing Luke in their potential duel while luke saw himself killing caedus so what I take from this is that it could equally go either way between the 2. His fight with mara was his to domainte as stated that "he had total mastery here" and he would have had it not been for Mara's preparation pre fight to put him at ever disadvantage possible allowing mara to not only come close to killing him but to merely survive to that point against him. He could of and should've owned that fight had it it not been for her training as a cold, quick and surgical assassin as they prefer to end duels quickly with her focus and determination. His duel with Kyle katarn was a perfect example of his skills and mastery over a battle. Being able to dominate foes on equal or greater skill in one aspect or another. Plus His fight then wasn't just with Kyle but with kyp and several other heavily skilled jedi that ambushed him. He was on the defense during that fight initially solely for these exact reasons. But as stated his versatility in combat allowed him to quickly overcome said disadvantages and completely turn the table of said fight and allowed him to kill one knight and nearly kill kyle had it not been for an incredible fluke that his saber missed his vital organs and then was saved by the another jedi that quickly fled the scene. Had Kyle been alone the entire fight and not ambushed caedus he would've died easily. Evannova conclusion on caedus was very inaccurate and did caedus much injustice. If someone who prefers one method of fighting such as caedus with the force uses that to beat a foe who prefers another form such as lightsaber combat like Kyle uses it isn't necessarily indicative of inferiority in the formers lightsaber skills. Playing to ones strength (caedus force mastery) to best a foe to who specializes in another skill (Kyle dueling) that isn't displaying weakest in the former's skills, its displaying at most strategic situational superiority and at worst basic logical combat awareness. Caedus specialized in heavily force augmented attacks and Kyle didnt so why should caedus go out of his way to beat Kyle in his area of expertise. That's like vadar going out of his way to match and overcome an acrobatic ataru specialist instead of his form V direct mastery. it doesn't mean he couldn't as vader was very flexible, he was just strategically playing to his own strengths and controling the fight on his terms. Caedus had nothing to prove in facing Kyle in his own style of combat as he could he just rely on his own skills that Kyle wasn't as good at and it was exactly that, that lead to Kyle defeat. For all of Kyle's skills with the lightsaber he was still ultimately unable to subdue caedus before caedus' skill and cleverness were able to turn the tables on him and nearly end his life even with all the disadvantages caedus had throughout the fight. His fight with Luke was the only fight that could've gone either way. He once again was ambushed and started off the fight at several disadvantages. But unlike with Kyle and mara he wasn't able to immediately turn the tables in definitely as Luke was also able to gain back control of the fight and vise versa. His fight with Luke could've gone 1 of 3 ways. Tie, kill each, or one barely kills the other by the skin or their teeth. But Ben interrupted their fight with a blade to caedus chest prematurely ending the equally matched fight. And finally having said all this, the one fight that was the most BS out of them all was with jaina. Make no mistake this was never a fight jaina could've or would've won had it not been for some of the most absurd circumstantial advantages all going in her favor that allowed her nit only to stand more than a few moments against caedus but not get immediately steamrolled. And those were her huge power boost from Luke himself during her first fight that she undeniably and completely lost btw, and despite all her advantages she still had to limb away from that first fight while barely keeping conscious . And on her second fight she had once again the complete element of surprise that enabled her to critically injure him right off the back with a gut wound that would've crippled anyone else but caedus. his other disadvantages were his past injuries with jaina from their first fight especially his lost arm, and most importantly his lack of interest in the fight as a whole that ultimately cost his life as he essentially GAVE UP the fight and chose to save his family in exchange of his life. He could've both killed jaina with him or killed her outright with one final force blast and save himself but since it would've cost him his only chance to save tenel and allana he freely chose to give up the fight entirely He allowed jaina to kill him. While i will admit that jaina held skills in saber and force abilities to allow her to hold her own against him for awhile and not be completely overwhelmed outright but that was only dependant on all these mentioned advantages. All this BS coming together was the only thing that resulted in her victory. She completely lost her first fight even with Lukes power up but then somehow was able to beat him later on without it? seriously? no way. Take away any of these unique circumstances and jaina would've been stomped.

[@Lepetitagite3432]

dude your such a fan boy, i'm not saying that jason is weak by any means but he isn't that strong, i'd say he is somewhere around high level jedi council level.

[@cjpearce1407]

@@Lepetitagite3432 nah he was grand master level. Only reason he wasnt because it was Luke frickin Skywalker at the time

[@Lepetitagite3432]

@Emperor Vowrawn Your reasoning makes no sense, You're saying he would beat bbane because he is a more ressent sith, going by that logic, Jason would beat Sidious and Visiate.

[@kirtmanwaring3629]

Kyp wasn’t there lol, he planned the mission but didn’t go for some reason. I do think Caedus is underestimated by most but he isn’t quite Luke’s equal. In Inferno we saw Luke pin Caedus to a chair and, when they fought later, Luke clearly had the upper hand even before Ben stepped in. Remember "This kill is mine!"? It was one of the hardest fights of Luke’s life but he won … and that's nothing against Caedus who was only 32 freaking years old at the time. Give Caedus a few more years to refine his powers and maybe let Luke get a bit older and I agree it would have been even.

[@kirtmanwaring3629]

@@Lepetitagite3432 Hell he might beat Vitiate and Sidious. I’m not saying he would but it’d be close. Remember pre prime Luke beat Dark Empire Sidious thirty years before Jacen gave him such a good fight. That probably means Caedus could beat the Luke who beat the strongest version of Sidious.

[@computercarnage113]

Keep at it! You are the new GreyJedi91

[@MrAlex-mu5mw]

Yo Yourfavoraitevillan said what's up alight

[@dudewithahat5329]

For Caedus, wouldn’t his preferred lightsaber form be Niman? It seems so.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

He is, most likely, though Form IV and V are the bits he prefers to use the most

[@goroakechi6126]

Eh. Just because a self-made form covers all your bases doesn’t mean it’s Niman. Considering how dominating Caedus is in a fight, it makes sense he would go for Djem So as a baseline, same as Vader.

[@kirtmanwaring3629]

Caedus seems to use his lightsaber more as a way to support his force attacks rather than the other way round. which, to my understanding, is a hallmark of niman.

[@draconianemanations2785]

@@kirtmanwaring3629 it has been branded that way by other content creators, I happen to disagree with it being characterized that way, and with it being attributed to Jason solo just because he's massively powerful in the force. So was vader. Vader still favored Djem So, even after losing all of his limbs the modified version of his fighting style was built with form five as the backbone. And think about this as far as characterizing form 6 like that, you think the other forms exclude Force use during combat? If so, then why did Count Dooku use, why did Darth Maul force push Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn several times throughout their duel? Force users tends to use force abilities in combat regardless of the form they favor, so billing form six as the one a character must favor if they're strong in the force doesn't make any sense. What lightsaber form did Yoda use? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't form six.

[@kirtmanwaring3629]

@@draconianemanations2785 Yes of course force users who specialize in all forms use the force in combat. I feel like that's beside the point though. Dooku, for example, built his fighting style all around his lightsaber and, yes, of course he was also a formidable force user in combat … but he clearly prefered the blade. Vader too obviously used the Force to great effect in combat - but he built his fighting style around his physical strength because the hell else was he supposed to do? More than those examples Caedus seems to use all his tools and the Force just happens to be his best tool … like obviously he was good enough with his blade to push Luke but when his back was against the wall he tended to lean on both his raw strength in the Force and his mastery of obscure techniques like the blood trail or that Ben illusion with Mara.

[@phorz85]

Darth visionary vs darth hintsight, poetic.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

TCW Bane artwork instead of EU Bane artwork ? HERESY !!!!!!! Jokes aside, this seems a brilliant matchup, as there are so many contrasts and similarities between the two. Almost makes me think how Caedus would shred his Disney canon counterpart to pieces....

[@RobTerra]

Daniele Mulas hahah thought about that when I made the thumbnail!! And When writing this all I could think about was how much of a bitch Kylo was compared to caedus....

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

@@RobTerra Considering that now we have more than enough material to do a potential rundown of Kylo's feats, training, abilities, and skills besides the movies, he really is a bitch when compared not just to Caedus, but pretty much any Banite members or SWTOR Era Sith Warriors. At best, he's comparable to Savage Opress or maybe Xanatos. A low tier Dark Side acolyte who has potential, but he's too dumb, too inept, too unstable and just too poorly trained to ever become a threat to a Council member Master or any Sith Lord.

[@dimond360_]

Caedus beats Kylo not just in power but in character, intimidation, looking cool and threat level

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

@Wes Bradley-Taubner Oh my God, please make this happen lmfao

[@dimond360_]

Caedus vs Kylo will be an April fools video on my channel alongside Rey vs Avar Kriss as well as second Rey April fools matchup that’s secret

[@KumaoftheForest]

Darth Malgus vs Darth Cadeus, Darth Malek vs Darth Zannah, Anoon Bondara vs someone, Yoda vs Darth Krytt, Kylo Ren vs Barris Offer, Darth Talon vs Ashoka Tano”season 7 version” and Rahm Kota vs Rey Palpatine”I won’t call her a Skywalker”

[@lapplandkun9273]

@Wes Bradley-Taubner lol right? Not to mention the sequel trilogy and rey herself is highly inconsistent. Sequel trilogy characters should never be used in a versus series match except only tier equivalents. Kylo ren I could see going up against AOTC padawan anakin but that's far of a stretch.

[@bf2gamer389]

I'm still with Bane, but I understand why you are with Caedus

[@suprememasterofdark2970]

Caedus has stuffs that outstrip Bane. - rivalled Luke. - outclassed Katarn. - contended with Jaina when she was empowered by Luke. Jaina confirmed she was significantly weaker than his brother at this point. - was stated to be more powerful than any sith of his era.

[@bf2gamer389]

@@suprememasterofdark2970 I agree with your arguements, but Bane had no true rival. An arguement could be made for Zannah, but she only won because of the darkside nexus. I think we can agree noone except for Zannah even rivals one of Caedus's enemies. Darth Bane had no true rival.

[@TinyTorah]

@@bf2gamer389 , reread Dynasty of Evil. If Zannah didn’t trip over that freshly dug grave, she would’ve ended the fight far sooner. The telepathic Sith spell she unleashed against Bane was a significantly watered down version of the one she was charging up before tripping over the grave… and Bane struggled to escape that spell as it was. Bane

[@JukeHighwalker]

Bane is perfection. To this day, I still believe he took over Zannah. He just didn't want to complicate things for his new apprentice. Hence the tremors "She" still felt in "her" arm. The master lives on threw his cowardly apprentice... But that's wishful thinking. Must respect cannon...

[@exarkun42]

I agree with your final verdict, but I think you overrate Caedus as a duelist, and lowball Katarn and Luke a bit Katarn is stated outright in Fury to be able to spar equally with Luke in the Council sparring sessions; which are stated that if they went slightly more into it, it would become a duel to the death. Once more in Fury, it is stated that Kyle was holding back on Coruscant for 2 reasons. Those being the safety of the lower level knights present, and the ultimate objective of the mission to plant a tracer on Caedus, rather than kill him. Ultimately, Katarn only lost that fight due to the factor of him holding back, as well as the reinforcements on Caedus' end which Katarn was unaware of; and in small part due to Caedus' tricky tactics involving the speeder that his reinforcements arrived in. As for Luke, He dominated Caedus aboard the Anakin Solo, WHILE HOLDING BACK. I would argue that Luke holding back here is less significant due to Caedus taking up a position between the Embrace of Pain (then holding Ben Skywalker) and Luke, while on Coruscant Kyle was told to just hold Caedus' attention while Seha planted the tracer; as well as Caedus using the less experienced knights to trip Kyle up. I also strongly disagree with your assertion that Darth Bane is a better duelist than Kyle. I could write a whole script for that matchup. :) Great content, and keep up the good work!

[@RobTerra]

Thanks for checking out the video!

[@idiot3412]

I think the real kicker for his dueling is fight with Jaina. Jaina is already the strongest jedi in the order which puts her above people like Kyp Durron, Kyle Katarn, and Mara Jade. These are all extremly capable and would all be high on PT council. Due to Jaina being above them we can assume that she would be even higher, which would put her at around Obi Wan. Combine this with her being heavily amped by Luke who is by far the strongest jedi to ever live, and Caedus being heavily injured. Yet Caedus was practically even to Jaina and barely lost the fight.

[@exarkun42]

@@idiot3412 Jaina only had an advantage due to having been trained by the Mandalorians in techniques not familiar to Jedi. On top of that, the only "amping" stated is Luke hiding her from him, which did nothing more than grant her the element of surprise. I will also reiterate: Kyle and Kyp can both spar evenly with Luke in the council sparring sessions; which are stated that if 1 step further is taken in fight, it will be a duel to the death.

[@callmetopgun45]

Aye!! My man!!

[@bensolo7141]

Han and Leia are my parents.

[@matthiasmccormack3213]

Anybody else imagine Darth Bane as Brock Lesnar?

[@robg1163]

Just.. No.

[@matthiasmccormack3213]

@@robg1163 I mean the physical build. Being that massive but somehow fast

[@masterkenobi7010]

Caedus obliterates. Bane can't compete with Luke. Caedus is Luke's match.

[@DropkickNation]

He clearly wasn't. Luke stated outright that he could have beaten him, even when Caedus was going all out.

[@Anstras1_431]

I disagree with the beleif that Ceadus is a De jemso specialist. He has been shown to more of a niman specialist. This is because in most of his duels with council tear duelists he used his force abilities instead of his lightsaber to defeat them. His lightsaber stile was more “Let me see if I can beat you.” And if he couldn’t, He would immediately try to kill you with darts or his blaster or the force. This approach is far more common with niman. I will not deny that there is a lot of de jemso, Ataru and serisu in ceaduses stile. Hell, I bet they were the backbone of his Jedi stile. But his stile is less of a repost counter and more of a out By time to trick the Enemy and finish him with my overwhelming power in the force or with darts or other weapons. His stile has changed from those three forms to far more varied and diverse than those three forms. This comes at the cost of his being only able to contend and not beat some council level opponents in a pure duel.

[@ursaber]

Darth Caedus wins

[@fisal8942]

great veido

[@dragonballtalk8527]

You got a hiss in the microphone at the end of every word and you need to talk slower but you got the best verse character choices

[@benjaminjones2185]

I know that it was suppose to show the guile of Kas'im, but that whole part of the book just speaks of bad writing. I'm ordinarily not a fan of books that focus on the Darkside characters as the central figures, however the Bane Trilogy was a good series, except for his battle with Kas'im which nearly took me out of the book. I think that Kas'im should have kept Bane on his backfoot for the whole fight, leading to Bane more understandably using his powers. Not just "oh he has two lightsabers I'm doomed if I don't use my powers."

[@firstname8046]

I believe Kyle is a superior light saber duelist over bane

[@kal0247]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣no way

[@kal0247]

@Jialin Li [Student] In your dreams fella first off if Bane had his armor it would be over in a blink of an eye even with out his armor he couldn't make Bane's experience or raw power and in lightsaber combat Bane would cut him to pieces.

[@kal0247]

@Jialin Li [Student] Half of Caedus wins are from tricks Bane doesn't play games or use tricks.

[@kal0247]

@Jialin Li [Student] deception and tricks are 2 different things Bane outsmarted the Brotherhood with guile and deception these are the tools of a true Sith Lord Bane doesn't use posion to with battles.

[@kal0247]

@Jialin Li [Student] Dude the back and fourth is pointless you refuse to see what's in front of your eyes so go do whatever you do and keep believing that garbage your spewing and I'll stick to facts.

[@dragonballtalk8527]

Evan nova should had did this but he only does characters he already did vs characters he already did

[@dudewithahat5329]

English? 😳

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

@@dudewithahat5329 Meaning Evan uses always the same characters over and over

[@jedai5007]

Caedus utterly stomps. It's an outright mismatch.

[@DropkickNation]

Bullshit.

[@JukeHighwalker]

Tell me you're a noob without telling me you're a noob. You're pathetic...

[@dragonballtalk8527]

Evanova only uses characters he already used and just reuseses his old audio

[@obamawasreal0264]

Caedus slams and its not close you don't need to make this over an hour long

[@dragonballtalk8527]

Tell anton bandelle

[@lv0337]

Caedus destroys. Bane is trash.

[@TinyTorah]

Bane ain’t trash, but… compared to Caedus, yeah, he might as well be. 😅

[@DropkickNation]

What is it with your utter lack of knowledge on Bane?

[@JukeHighwalker]

You're pathetic...

[@bennetterfield5720]

SUP!

[@Infernal460]

Your Bane looks off.

[@suprememasterofdark2970]

Caedus obliterates Bane

[@DropkickNation]

Based on what?

[@kirillzakharov7336]

Bane was never able to wield tutuminis against anything but blasters, if that.

[@dazdavis7896]

Darth Bane would smoke Caedus. More powerful, a far greater swordsman. He’s better all around in every way. Caedus is completely overrated. Luke pinned his ass to his chair and he couldn’t move a muscle. He only “beat” Kyle Katarn by distracting him and pulling a massive object into his back to knock him onto his lightsaber, impaling him. And Katarn still survived it. The amount of these versus series kids that blatantly undercut Darth Bane is absolutely hilarious. Bane, Sidious, & Vitiate are all 3 roughly direct equals in terms of direct strength in the force. Only surpassed by the Pre-suited Vader, who only lasted all of a few days, so he doesn’t even count. Bane & Sidious are the 2 strongest Sith of all-time not including Pre-suit Vader. Stop putting Caedus on their level. He’s NOT. Not in terms of power, and definitely not as a swordsman. He’s nowhere near the duelist than Bane & Sidious are. Darth Bane would smoke Darth Caedus. End of argument.

[@dazdavis7896]

@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner exactly. It’s quite literally nothing but overtly biased, blatant NJO fanboys voting for their OWN favorite characters, not who would ACTUALLY win in a fight. It’s embarrassing.

[@JukeHighwalker]

Bane is perfection. To this day, I still believe he took over Zannah. He just didn't want to complicate things for his new apprentice. Hence the tremors "She" still felt in "her" arm. The master lives on threw his cowardly apprentice... But that's wishful thinking. Must respect cannon...

[@thefallenknight2163]

Caedus annihilates Bane. He is much more powerful and much more skilled.

[@kal0247]

😅😅😅😂🤣😂🤣no fucking way🤦🏽‍♂️

[@granola9036]

@@kal0247 ur slow if u think bane is stronger

[@kal0247]

@@granola9036 Read the novels fella Bane is stronger in mind and body 💪🏽

[@kal0247]

@Jialin Li [Student] Your opinion

[@granola9036]

@@kal0247 lmao so did I the only thing I would give bane is durability and even that is a stretch. Caedus beats him in every category.

[@dragonballtalk8527]

Talk slower less hiss at end of each sentence you need

[@dragonballtalk8527]

Talk slower bett