Vertical GPU Brackets - Why NOT To Use Them!

[@xaviel2ul2u60]

Enough! I gonna use diagonal.

[@kevinmagnum2249]

Xaviel2ul2u mind blow

[@rileyhu9715]

*somehow gets it mounted to two brackets*

[@bricaaron3978]

I believe those brackets are only found in Diagon Alley.

[@wanrazul]

Just open you side panel when doing heavy loads. Give the beast some fresh air.

[@user-pw9ki5eu4o]

i use vertical

[@Ziakel]

vertical gpu is a game changer for single gpu in watercooling. Nothing looks better than seeing your clear block as a center piece in your build.

[@bornyhitch1975]

put a naked girl in it and it's win

[@MqKosmos]

Water-cooling is a scam

[@OpticMine]

Robin Marquardt how so?

[@ElectricityTaster]

@@OpticMine because the water ends up being cooled by air.

[@TPF00T]

@@ElectricityTaster bruh I case you aren't joking, the purpose of watercooling is to move the heat away from the components before dispersing it. If you have big enough radiators, it will be quieter and lower your temps. Anybody who doesn't observe these results is using an AIO or custom loop without enough mm³ of radiator.

[@jdlewis79uk]

2:48 That poor usb3 header... so much tension.

[@antbonio303]

mines is flat like usual on my mobo but i can’t seem to take out my usb3 header like out of my mobo i’ve wiggled it and bit and everything but it just won’t come out so :/

[@manbok2035]

I have seen ppl break USB3 headers, because of verical brackets.

[@elizabethkihara2668]

He's using an extension and they come curved to make it easier to connect so I doubt there's tension

[@wywlf6912]

i fucked my usb3 header plastic casing because it wont come off then tried pulling out instantly and the plastic got stuck on the cable good thing the pins were still intact and works just fine

[@jdlewis79uk]

@@wywlf6912 Nice one! My pins weren't so lucky, unfortunately, so I now use a PCI-E to USB-3 adaptor. Lesson learned, never lose patience, step away and take a break when needed :)

[@shonenjump9]

3% difference for giving me that beauty looking I’ll take it

[@JecIsBec]

Just turn your case sideways :^)

[@kinangeagle133]

What?

[@sebastian.bach1]

10.000 iq 👍😂

[@tristanbrady8663]

It's big brain time

[@JarrodsTech]

Interesting to see the differences in temps! My case supports this, but I think I'll just leave it mounted normally.

[@BurgerMan87]

Agreed! Vertical looks cool but gets in the way too much and seems to run hotter, horizontally is probably better.

[@stillsalty947]

Y use s vertical mount that is on the height of your horizontal slots. Just make sure it clears everything and if you feel comfortable you can even take a dremel to it. Or just buy the cable mod one, which has cables that can go around your horizontal bars. I did this recently alongside a psu shroud acrilic backlit panel. Temps are aboit the same, in my 220t maybe 3C higher

[@paulshardware]

Great video Dmitry! I enjoyed very much 😁

[@HardwareCanucks]

+Paul's Hardware happy to hear man :)

[@DTPettis]

I have the DG-87(EVGA everything build), do I need to remove the DG-Tuner app? Is it OC'ing my gtx1080? it's not set to run at startup.... I ask because some games run better with no OC (less crashing in PUBG). I guess my main question is, do you know something about DG Tuner that i don't?

[@infinitiy11]

stop blowing smoke up his arse it was badly tested 1 type of mount on 1 case only positive is that he moved the radiator for better thermals. their are some really good mounts that work on some great cases. and do not push it upto the window like that mine is about a inch above the pcie sockets.

[@basshead.]

I need my water

[@GuardianLords]

when my AIO leaked it missed the GPU since it was vertical, I only use vertical brackets since then

[@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1062]

GuardianLords and i only use air coolers since then

[@TheSjuris]

GuardianLords leaks would affect a PSU more then a GPU.

[@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1062]

Steven Juris did you just assume his psu is in the bottom?

[@TheSjuris]

Quân Đặng they are in 90% of cases. PSUs are going to be affected more by water especially if they are turned on. GPU has a much better chance of surviving liquids.

[@asteinch]

Steven Juris GPUs are more expensive then a PSUs

[@randomfrankp]

Such smooooooooooth pans, love the vid man :)

[@HardwareCanucks]

+randomfrankp ha thanks Frank 👌

[@mukti1391]

randomfrankp helo randomfrankp :D

[@xarxue1138]

randomfrankp nice seeing you here

[@HKoopman]

jeannephilipp r/whoosh

[@paul2673]

@@HKoopman You're not using that correctly.

[@OzTalksHW]

I might be the minority, but I personally don't like the look of vertically mounted video cards.

[@vapenation7061]

OzTalksHW that’s fine, everyone has an opinion ozzie

[@TwilightWolf032]

OzTalksHW Not a fan of it either.

[@Arashmickey]

I like the look of most GPUs, but few look good enough and fit the rest of the build for vertical mount.

[@cyrenarkade]

Definitely a minority, I love the look of them.

[@nerdonabudget]

OzTalksHW yea, can't say I like it either unless the motherboard is horizontal, just doesn't look natural with the card being parallel to the mobo, need some right angle action in there

[@odinsplaygrounds]

“It helps to fill out that empty space of the case” *laughs in SFF*

[@GTechOfficial]

Cooler Master sells a vertical GPU mount designed to replace the current 7 PCIe slots. That'll allow you to still have a vertical GPU that's further away from the glass for better airflow. That's what I'm personally considering doing.

[@bluenerve8105]

Yeah that one is awesome

[@namenotimportant4372]

Good to hear that.

[@bingokemski4473]

Anyway we can get SLI For that?

[@namenotimportant4372]

Bing Talks I dont think so if thats possible cause mine i have mine vertical mount and my case aint cooler master has bigger space away from glass :/ and its *impossible* for it to be sli >.

[@tmkongen]

I've done this and works like a charm. No difference in temps either.

[@KingChristo]

Sometimes vertical gpu brackets dont even look good cause companies tend to add accents below the gpu that dont go with the rest of the build.

[@alistergoh9744]

King Christo this is why I miss the GTX 900 series by EVGA SSC

[@zzzzzzzzzzzz-11]

Yea, like the Gigabyte cards with the orange accenting on the cooler.

[@censorshipisforcowardsYT]

海洋 I have a white and black build and a 1050 ti by gigabyte with their orange accents. Completely puts the colors off.

[@jak8607]

Scattervolt discord guy wassup.xD

[@TheYelverton07]

I have a case where you cannot see inside. It's an old ATX case from the 90's and I put my 4770k-based main PC into it.

[@xKarma_411]

Buy it don’t listen to no one. Your pc deserves to look gangster.

[@veotic2728]

xKarma _ ok I wont listen to you

[@olemengenge]

You are the Man !

[@cryo_life]

Remember, function over form!!!

[@sebastian.bach1]

xKarma (My man) 😂👍

[@aadisahni]

@@cryo_life actually it depends alot on what vertical mount bracket and case you use. His was extremely close to the front panel.

[@freddyfredrickson]

The temp performance depends on how the card is designed. If the card is designed to push air out the bottom or sides, then a vertical mount will likely make it run hotter. But with a card like the RTX cards, they draw air in through the fan and then out through the front edge. Thus if they were vertically mounted they would likely be more thermally efficient. That's actually something I plan on doing myself.

[@ProfessorSprouts]

My GPU is water cooled, so I'll continue to love my vertical placement.

[@fabian3705]

Oshmog Gaming theres no Difference with that anyway

[@danq256]

@@fabian3705 There is a significant difference

[@hedroxthelegend]

@@fabian3705 Are you joking?

[@fabian3705]

@@hedroxthelegend why? When watercooled there is No differnce in Temperatur. Sure If the Card is aircooled

[@hedroxthelegend]

@@fabian3705 You have no idea what you're talking about. Watercooled hardware is always better, but more expensive.

[@davidfurfaro]

Keep in mind, that if you mod your case to allow vertical GPU mount, the GPU will sit further away from the glass. Also, if you water cool your GPU, these tests may not apply. It would be interesting to see that setup tested.

[@Hookahitter]

Love the look of the vertical GPUs. I always wondered why GPUs had beautiful coolers, colors and logos, now lights, just to turn them upside down? Hotter GPU? If we had cases with side fan/grill, maybe not such a problem?

[@kyleaditya]

I once bought a radiator because I thought it was a GPU. It had RGB and everything. When I tried to install it I couldn't so I called up support and I went through 5 different people for them to finally realise how dumb i was 😂

[@hello_2632]

Vulpine RGB radiator?

[@dirtyasianmafia2310]

lmao you didn't even check the specs

[@kenningtonrund282]

The title or descriptions of graphics cards usually say gpu somewhere I'm them... lol

[@r00kiet80]

wtf did i just read

[@imgaylolxd8053]

this comment has shrunk my brain to flat earther levels of stupidity

[@dieglhix]

I just realised my case has a vertical mount after seeing a picture of a case with a vertical-mounted GPU. 5 seconds later I googled "vertical gpu mount" and the very first thing that came up was this video. Thank you so much, man.

[@pkbeast]

I've recently installed my GTX 1060 in my Phanteks P400 case using a modded Cooler Master vertical GPU mount. I absolutely love the character it brings to my build and I haven't looked back. IMO it's not like you shouldn't use them but it definitely is nice to know that if you do go for it, there is that slight trade off.

[@sluggerboy9191]

hey bro can you tell me how it interacts with tempered glass and how much loud it is compared to horizontal?

[@zackakai5173]

"They're all visual advantages" A very subjective claim. I really like the look of a GPU in standard configuration. The horizontal shape creates a nice contrast with the vertical lines of the RAM, IO cover, etc, and it doesn't make you look like someone who can't do a nice looking build without sacrificing functionality. All that "empty space" under the card is there so air can get underneath it and cool it.

[@Tappettava]

If you would open the side panel fan window and put the GPU fan intake in front of it, it would suck out air straight from outside of your case and not the hot air that circulates in your case.

[@backseatpolitician]

RandomFinn back in the day there were a few cases that actually had airflow and mounts for fans to blow air in the side of the case onto the area where graphics cards occupy. Most of that seemed to go away when the window kits craze started to happen, which has now led to tempered glass. I personally like tempered glass but I am curious to see if some cases manufactures will start to release cases like this again for enthusiasts who want to mount thier video cards vertically.

[@Tappettava]

+Backseat Politician Many small form factor pre-builts and cases have a single card/slot in taking straight from the side of the case in order to decrease temperatures. I was kind of hoping to see t here too, but unfortunately it was just installing a GPU literally against the wall.

[@ArtisChronicles]

Backseat Politician if I can use a filter that won't restrict airflow too much and still catches a decent amount of dust, I'd put a side mount like that to use. as they currently are, I've covered them with plastic because dust accumulates far too quickly with it open. it also keeps the airflow neater vs just being open with no fans.

[@210187654321]

The idea of vertical gpu is not only for the outlook. It is to prevent the gradual bending of the card also. This video does not prove whether the throttling is caused by the temperature itself. What about the extention? With or without the side panel temperatures? It will be an interesting matter to look into I guess.

[@lefthandright01]

The riser extension would not cause a decrease in performance perse'. The extra distance the volts need to travel could only be measured in nanoseconds. However, if the riser cable is unshielded, and so is audio on the motherboard, then it is possible there is cross communication interference. Either way, this most likely points to either heat or electronic interference, which are both being caused by the vertical mounting, because these issues didn't feature in the horizontal position.

[@foxman105]

@VyrisusThat's a shitty design 70 celsius is a joke. Is there a way to turn thermal throttle off?

[@soccerguy2433]

@@foxman105 shitty design? Make a GPU yourself then.

[@foxman105]

​@@soccerguy2433 You don't need to be a master sculptor to criticise art. You don't need to engineer a car to tell if it drives badly on the road. Considering the previous generations had thermal cutoff around 90-105 Celsius this indicates that the chips are either a lot more fragile, and they're worried about longevity or they dropped their quality standards and they start to run unstable when under higher temperatures. 70 celsius is nothing under load, you'll get there within minutes. Then it starts to throttle and you're loosing frames. That's a shitty design however you look on it.

[@UnfocusedRacing]

Modding your seven slot case with a cooler master vertical gpu bracket will keep the card far enough away from the panel. This should help throttling. Also using a custom fan curve for the GPU helps.

[@pkbeast]

Exactly what I did as it wasn't compatible with my Phanteks case. A metal hacksaw, improvised spacers and a bit of hot glue did the trick. Actually surprised me how close the GPU was to the side panel if installed properly.

[@AjitB07]

I have this to. No way near the side panel

[@ChadMacatoDJCC]

Unfocused Racing How do I get one? Everytime I check, its out of stock 😕

[@mjc0961]

Unfocused Racing Yeah that's a great idea if I want to block all of my other PCIe slots. I don't though. What else do you have?

[@brumby92]

Unfocused Racing or you could leave it stock and play some games

[@MikeMessiah]

why am i watching this i dont even have a GPU Cries in AMD APU :(

[@PimptatoPCs]

That APU is officially liquid cooled =)

[@comradeturtle9370]

Same here, Intel HD 630:(

[@TheFoodnipple]

Look at it this way, you were vertical before it was cool, lmao

[@v1asec]

I'm waiting for the new generation of AMD APU happening. Then it is possible that I build a tiny PC as a steam box :D

[@ArtisChronicles]

v1asec that'll be a nice steambox

[@xcurlyfry2140]

Funny watching this, I have my Strix RTX 2060 on my Vertical Mount which is in my Corsair Obsidian 500D SE case. I honest Have not seen any changes with fps or performance at all and i am using the Thermaltake 200mm PCIe Riser Cable, It honestly looks amazing and the Performance from my eyes are the exact same as if it were connected directly to the Motherboard. My specs for the curious: - Mobo: ASUS ROG Strix X470-F Gaming Motherboard - CPU: Ryzen 5 2600 - Cooler: Corsair Hydro H150i PRO RGB Liquid CPU Cooler - RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 32GB (4x8GB) 3200Mhz - GPU: ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2060 OC Edition, 6GB - PSU: Corsair CX650M 650W Bronze - SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 250GB - HDD: Seagate BarraCuda 2TB & 1TB - Fans: Corsair LL Series LL120 3 Fan Kit (W/ Commander Pro & Lighting Hub Pro) (I have a total of 6 fans) - Case: Corsair Obsidian 500D RGB SE Black ATX Case, T/G Window - Strips: Corsair RGB LED Lighting PRO Expansion Kit

[@craven099gaming]

how are your fans oriented ?

[@hotlocalbabes]

I have the same case and riser cable, I got a msi 1080ti armored edition, known for one of the worst air cooled cards, and I’ve seen no performance decrease, I have 6 corsair LL120 fans in my case, four intake, two exhaust, and my cpu is on a 360 aio with 3 fans on the front and back of the rad. So I’m chopping it up to efficiently cooling your system will allow you to see no performance decrease from vertically mounting your gpu, although many cases are absolute shit when it comes to airflow, Steve from Gamersnexus talks about this a lot.

[@gexp4764]

I just ordered a virtical mount before watching this video. I'll have to do some comparison myself and see. I have a corsair 400c so the side panel opens on a hinge so maybe opening that a crack while gaming will allow some more airflow to the fans on the gpu if needed.

[@AdamBGames]

I use the same gtx 1080 and use the cooler master maker bracket which puts the card further back in the case. I think this is just a problem with the case you are using Edit: I didnt realise how many people would reply so Im going to add something here to anwser some questions: 1. There are 2 versions of the CM Bracket, a 2 slot version which most people know about and a 4 slot version, this is to allow for single and dual gpu setups, I personally use the 4 slot for a gpu and a wifi card. i know this gets rid of 3 slots but you need to ask yourself before purchasing whether its worth it for you, I cant dictate that 2. I like others who have used this bracket have not seen a temp or clock change so the problem is the case Dimitry used where the air flow is chocked whereas the bracket puts the card further back in the case, which allows more air to pass through it 3. Some have asked what case I use for this bracket, and thats the Cooler Master MasterBox 5 Builders edition (The older version). This is an ATX case with basically everything I wanted in terms of a case, however I wouldnt suggest it over some other cases now since its a little old, there is no top 240mm radiator mounting and its all a little cramped. Its perfect for my needs, but not everyone

[@GurraHammarby]

Agree I don't have this problem "Cooler Master Master Case 5 pro" whit a Cooler Master vertical GPU mount.

[@DeilGrist]

You still complicate access to lower-down PCI slots. Better off going with a case supporting horizontal motherboard orientation imho.

[@BladeScraper]

Was gonna say the same Adam, really depends on the case and GPU mount. The CM bracket sits pretty far back. And a deeper case will have the side panel even further away, helping with airflow more.

[@dcd5050]

My thoughts exactly. With thw cm bracket my distance from card to window is almost the same as card to psu shroud on horizontal mount. I noticed no temp or clock differences in my case

[@cakeisalie]

was about to say the same

[@theotherperson9928]

I'd actually love to see case with full mesh side panel.

[@BombasticVirus]

yep

[@Atlink]

Two words: Signal Degradation. Any time you connect something to something else via any kind of extension, you're going to lose a bit of signal. (Even the connections from the pins on the slot to the pins on the card degrade the signal.) It might be minute, but it's going to be there. That most likely explains the core clocks lowering. Also, the motherboard is expecting to deliver power across a pin, directly into the PCB of the card, not have it travel from a pin, to a wire, to another pin, then to the PCB. The wiring introduces resistance, which is going to degrade performance all around. I know, it sounds really stupid as we're only talking about maybe one foot of ribbon cable, but add in the idea of electromagnetic interference to wires that probably aren't properly shielded (or have very minimal shielding) along with the signal degradation, and you're going to get worse performance. Tiny things like that can have pretty large impacts. If the motherboard was specifically designed with that ribbon in mind, then it shouldn't be a problem, as there would probably be some small amplifier before the PCI-E slot. If it's just something they added into the motherboard box as a freebie, then you're going to experience issues.

[@wallywest2360]

Two words: Poppycock Linus Tech connected 6 FEET worth of PCIe cables and ran their GPU on the other side of the room. Zero difference in performance. Signal loss occurs when you introduce more resistance than the transmitter can overcome. The PCIe bus has no problem going across the room, so a few inches down has zero effect. I know this a year old comment, just wanted to put that out there for people looking into it. Don't stick the face of your card right against the side panel and you'll be fine.

[@tychoid1]

@@wallywest2360 I got you bruh. I am here to thumbs-up your year-late but accurate comment.

[@TUNAsnAK]

In some cases it has its benefits. You didnt test cases with breathing holes for the gpu or sff cases that have to have them vertical

[@dstblj5222]

that is very rare however, so it is not worth testing a edge use case

[@onel8126]

Having breathing holes on the side of the case is rare? I'd say the more rare case is having a vertical mount right beside a glass window that literally defeats the purpose of having the GPU vertical. Plus more and more SFF cases are coming out with options for vertical GPUs which is actually way better than having it horizontal. I enjoyed the video but when you test the GPU right next to a window what do you expect?

[@kiwicami287]

Im thinking it would have better thermals if there would be breathing holes while still maintaining the aesthetics of the side panels. Or even if you don't care about a transparent side panel, would having two 120mm fans blowing straight on the vertical mounted gpu improve the thermals drastically? In theory it would but i want to see it for myself.

[@vapenation7061]

that’s only a problem of the case you’re using. if you use a cooler master bracket or you ghetto-mod your pci-e slots, you can push the gpu further back and you won’t have problems.

[@bogdanut2183]

it looks good and makes sense on a custom water loop.

[@MichaelHarto]

It works in any application, just like a cable has its own resistance to electricity. With each addition of interconnect material is added, there would be added loss in power and data integrity. It doesn't matter how good the interconnecting material is. Besides, rising the vga makes it look weird standing out on its own. It breaks the flowing pattern with the rest of the hardwares.

[@joshhardin666]

I personally agree with your premise and conclusion, however, it appears that you assume that the GPU will be air cooled. A vertically oriented LIQUID cool gpu (particularly one that has a clear water block and your choice of good looking colored coolant) would both look amazing, as well as hide cooling tubing and perhaps pump/res if so desired. I think this has the potential to look really good and because you don't have to worry about fans, you can leave your case window on and all you see is a really nice water block on your card... you could also do some really cool laser engraving if you wanted on the top of the water block to get an even more custom feel or perhaps go with uv reactive coolant with some uv led lighting on the border of the window to really draw attention to the coolant going through the card... I think there is great potential for liquid cooled cards in the vertical orientation.

[@ArtisChronicles]

Josh Hardin I'd personally leave out the colour, though they do look great and just go straight distilled. if I did a full copper loop I'd leave a silver coil or two in the loop as well. that's just me though.

[@tZork7]

Oh I love my vertical mount. I can’t imagine a build without now

[@giorgioisgaming5814]

If you watercool the card you will only have the upsides (look) and no downsides 😇

[@TheRealFobican]

If it is turned to face away from the rest of the computer to prevent further damage in case of a leakage it´s acceptable to use a gpu bracket IMO.

[@BullyMaguire69]

Yeah but usually when u custom water-cool a GPU ,the front doesn't look as nice tho ._.

[@threepe0]

A_Wannabe WalkingMeme the waterblock faces the window, and yes that looks nicer than the plain top

[@BM1620]

@@BullyMaguire69 depends on the water block, some are nicer looking than others, and some even have RGB if your into unicorns and rainbows lol.

[@gexp4764]

I just purchased the CoolerMaster vertical GPU bracket and installed in in my Corsair 400C (Not officially supported--I had to cut the metal on the back of the case to fit it). My temps are actually about 10C COOLER with the vertical mount option. It doesn't use that random vertical vent space on the back of the case, instead it uses the horizontal PCI card spaces so the GPU is mounted further back from the side panel with plenty of clearance for the fans to intake air. It is also positioned right in the middle of my front intake fans which ensures fresh air being supplied to the fans on the GPU.

[@ryansmith5398]

I'd be interested in seeing the graphs on Temperature and Clock Speed over time for water cooled graphics cards and whether the configuration of the graphics card would have any difference.

[@thedriftlessverse7121]

I wish there was a way to just mount the video card upside down. Then the fans would be facing where the typical airflow for the case is.

[@jonathanmepham232]

I feel like the vertical mounts should be used exclusively for water-cooled/aio cards, or in an open case (Core P5 for example) mines on a custom loop and I love the way it looks it's front and centre, and so it should be as the most expensive part of the build!

[@PuddingXXL]

Why would the vertical Placements holder be more expensive then the graphics Card?

[@NetKatalyzt]

I mounted my MSI GTX1070 Seahawk EK X vertically because it looks awesome. Added benefit of being able to see the liquid inside for any changes. Overclocked easily to 2152MHz using a cheap extension cable off ebay. I had to modify my Phanteks Enthoo Pro M case with a bracket from Mountain Mods. Was inexpensive and easy to do, with amazing results, and zero performance difference to when the card was mounted normally.

[@twentyau3447]

Great video, only thing I would say is that not all vertical gpu mounts place the card that close to the side panel so we could potentially see no difference in temperature if a different setup offered more clearence between gpu and side panel.

[@ThunderbolttheFox]

I value style, and I just crank my fan speed up to max to prevent any performance loss. I can't hear the noise over my headphones.

[@michaelpavich1313]

How long have you had it running on 100% for? That's going to decrease the life of those fans

[@ThunderbolttheFox]

I take back my statement partially. I bought a new universal gpu bracket and pulled the gpu back away from the glass. Now the fans barely need to spin up unless heavy gaming

[@adiero]

Thanks so much for this. What about the other temps? I would think vertical monting would have a big impact on chipset and other mainboard temperatures, since that hot slab of gpu is now blowing elsewhere... in my experience, the slightest changes can have an unexpected ripple effect. How was the chipset? The Ram? a few i/r images of vert. vs horz. might tell you a very interesting story...

[@ridingtheflow6752]

Vertical orientation works great when case has negative pressure *and* the (filtered) intake in the side where the GPU is - which makes it basically directly take outside air. I reckon this provides cooling almost same as running without case, especially if intake has similar profile as whole card. For example, Node 304 from Fractal Design is such a compact case. Also vertical orientation great for passive cooling for ACX-like coolers (with vertical fins), allowing GPU to be cooled only by convection on low loads with fans staying off all the time.

[@chemicalbreath]

I use a MasterAccessory Vertical Display Graphics Card Holder Kit Including Riser Cable by Cooler Master on my Cosair Air 540 case. I love it. My GPU is a Zotac 980 ti Amp Exterme and still has plenty of space in between the card and the side panel.

[@JoeJacksonJr]

In my new cube case everything is already vertical.. LOL

[@DeilGrist]

That's what I was thinking. If you have a big desk, just get a case with horizontal motherboard layout.

[@Marshallchandra]

Joe's Photo & Video Channel thermaltake?

[@Cerberus984]

Video poster should have titled it saying How airflow restrictions can impact performance throttling your GPU.

[@JylanDohnson]

yes please send a link

[@Cerberus984]

Thermaltake P3, P5, P7 off top of my head.

[@MonoWheelCroatia]

What effect does the pcie extension cable have on overclocking the GPU? Any negative experiences or it has no influence?

[@MonoWheelCroatia]

The temperature difference has a effect as you mentioned. I'm interested is there any signal drop, interference or something similar that can happen because of the extension cable.

[@ev2477]

probably not.

[@camguy1730]

Linus did a test of the extension cable's. It made a slight effect after about 4 feet of extensions lol

[@user-ul3qk7is4g]

Cam Guy yea i remember that vid. I think it doesn't effect the performance, until you use 4 feet cable's

[@SteveL11]

My Thermaltake PCIE extension cable that come with the P3 just failed. Horrible product, and they won't cover it.

[@RAMChYLD]

I’m using the vertical slot on mine along with a PCIe extender cable to accommodate a 4th GPU card. That’s because I need the PCIe X1 slot directly under the second PCIe x16 slot for a SoundBlaster X-Fi. The other three x16 slots have their GPUs installed with the traditional horizontal orientation. (Threadripper x399 build, mobo has 2x16 + 2x8 in additional to a single x1)

[@HaseoSpeedruns]

there's actually a vertical gpu mount kit by coolermaster that you can buy. the nice thing about it is that the bracket is closer to the center of the case, giving your GPU more breathing headroom. it's just that this case's design has it wayyy to close to the side window/panel, suffocating it. all that aside though, the whole concept is just purely for aesthetics.

[@topmech71]

What have we learned he says...we've learned that case manufacturers are still choking off the front fans with no ventilation...WTF are they thinking?

[@MaksKCS]

It's for damping noise

[@ThorsShadow]

@@MaksKCS You know how you can reduce noise easily? By having some actual airflow, so your hardware doesn't get so hot, meaning your fans don't have to spin as fast. Sorry, but that argument is bull. I have a case with mesh in the front and it's silent most of the time.

[@reppy0757]

@@ThorsShadow Very well said. I've used that same argument point as well. If you have a case with optimal airflow, your fans wont need to ramp up, and if they do, no where near as often, thus resulting a quieter case.

[@jonirojonironin5353]

@@ThorsShadowIf there are top fans why not have them be intake and the rear be exhaust and just forget about front fans?

[@funnyarc]

@@jonirojonironin5353 Hot air expands and likes to rise, it is more efficient to start from bottom, front and side. Another thing is, there is more possibility for hot air to re-enter the case if inlet and outlet are close, if your PC resides under your desk or the back is close to a wall, warm air of the rear would culminate in the back and top of the case, that warm air is likely to enter the PC through the top fans. Additionally, if you have a GPU that has a open heatsink with fans that expect warm air to be blown out by the airflow of the case (not the closed GPU's that blow warm air out their own back), hot air is more likely to be pushed down (instead of blown away, sucked out and constantly replaced), possibly creating hot pockets. Air eventually gets out, but GPU may be quite hotter than intake fans blowing towards their bottom. Better is to use silent, ball bearing or hydraulic fans with high static pressure and capability to move lots of air, additionally it is a good idea to use a dust filters (if static pressure is high, airflow won't degrade that much) so your PC's temperature doesn't degrade faster by lots of dust over months o years asorbing heat or impacting airflow.

[@WutDafox]

Why didn't you add the sag factor?

[@ArtisChronicles]

leandro veragara that's about the only way this is functionally practical. with the way some or many of these cases are made they almost guarantee higher temps because of the proximity to the side window.

[@TonyNse]

I'm sorry but what you are showing in this video incorrect: vertical GPU brackets are NOT bad, and certainly, the temperatures ARE NOT the same. I've tested my 2080 Super XC Ultra on a ROG Crosshair VIII Hero in a Thermaltake Core P5 with its stock riser card first and then in a Sharkoon SGC1 RGB with a "cablemod-like" bracket. With the card mounted the normal way I had 75° C in the Sharkoon and 69° C in the Core P5, when I mounted the card vertically the temps changed completely: 63° C in the Sharkoon and 56° C in the Core P5, this is because the air pushed by the fans was coming out from both the sides of the GPU instead of being chocked by the motherboard. Also, the X570 chipset and the 970 EVO got way cooler dropping 10° on the chipset and 15° on the SSD, therefore I have seen only gains using the card vertically except the fact that you cannot use other PCI slots, but that's not even a drawback since I don't use any of them anyway. In conclusion despite the facts that I love your videos and I consider you the best of the HC Team, I'm sorry to say that the video is somehow misleading with incomplete information and limited testing, an update would be a good thing IMHO

[@InspGadgt]

There is a physical upside to vertically mounting the video card you are overlooking. High end video cards are very heavy. When mounted horizontally without any kind of support (Since most cases do not have additional supports for the video card) the weight of the card will start to warp the board and the heatsink/fan assembly starts to pull away from the board over time. I've seen this happen on 3 of my video cards now so I am looking for cases with vertically mounted cards and good cooling for the cards.

[@lukastaken]

U can buy a gpu support bracket for 10€

[@InspGadgt]

@@lukastaken You can but I've found with those if you support the heat sink you block air flow but if you support the board then the heat sink starts to pull away.

[@TheSpeckledProfessor]

I feel like this doesn't include some other benefits of vertical gpus, like no gpu sag. Personally, with a cube case, the vertical mounting makes the gpu shroud light up the side of my case very well, and i have no worries about sagging, which is definitely useful.

[@Flame-Main-Gant]

i'm water-cooling my rtx 2080ti so the temperature isn't an issue for me.

[@imgaylolxd8053]

well go for it then

[@joseanrodriguez2005]

yeah cuz they sell you a $1200 card that the stock fan don't do the works

[@yikes4172]

@@joseanrodriguez2005 stfu

[@rich1051414]

I don't think someone should do this for aesthetics or temps, but it would make sense to do it for another reason you didn't cover, pci-e stress relief. Since PCI-E cards are only braced on one side, Video cards do put a stress on the solder joints unless braced, and this is an alternative to bracing, but you HAVE to consider the cooling.

[@adamhecht7308]

I recently changed to a vertical mount before this video came out. I enjoy it. I have 2 140mm in front providing air to my FE Gtx 1080Ti. Temps aren’t too bad. I understand the throttling concern but currently in my situation where I have an itx motherboard in an atx case(don’t ask), it hides the lack of motherboard and looks like a full system.

[@Sirnoodlehat]

I've been through 3 rmas and 3 after marked pcie ribbons and they all cause issues. And on a case like the core p3, it kills the whole concept

[@badaphooko02]

Sir Noodlehat I just did mine . Had to ghetto rig it like Gregg from science studio did. It looks pretty good. I also bought a cheap riser from eBay $7 benchmarks were the same .

[@roboppers]

Pfft, imjust finishes a new build in a Core p3 too. Boy what a crap, took me two days to figure out where the horrible lag came from. Placing the guy on the motherboard solved all issues. From you comment other cables are not better either?

[@ICrimsonix]

Kinda forgot to mention that it solves sagging over time for heavier graphics cards!

[@isaacnewton7564]

Only reason why I'm here. Seems like that's the only way to go if your gpu saggs

[@sgtmango1125]

What's the song at the end he does his conclusion over?

[@hanscarlito]

Finally someone else is talking about this issue. Gamers Nexus mentioned it a year ago. Vertical GPU mount is only for water cooled GPUs.

[@liam2483]

or blower style

[@anthony1129]

Sheeit. I mount mine upside down.

[@fohhee]

Back when EVGA know how to make cool looking card.

[@miguelperez4538]

Great test again, Dimitri, these things are relevant. I was discussing exactly these scenarios on a tech forum 2 weeks ago when a new case was tested. Because I had the same idea. The cards do get less fresh air and are too close to the window. I guess that most manufacturers will not change too much for now. A fan opening on glass like seen with cases in the end 90s beginning 00s will be less aesthetic and produce more noise. So I guess some manipulation in air flow and maybe wider chassis to give the card the right amount of cooling. Alternative: Water cooling...

[@l4ndst4nder]

Thinking about building a mITX VR gaming rig and most of the incredibly small cases have vertical GPU mounts. Thanks for the informative video, I’ll definitely take these results into consideration when selecting the case.

[@user-eu5ol7mx8y]

1:56 How do you move the camera like that? Is it on some kind of rails?

[@zBones762]

I don't believe the camera is moving at all, rather zooming around a large 4k image.

[@hunterboy1121]

Yeah im pretty sure you're very wrong

[@user-eu5ol7mx8y]

@@zBones762 It can't be just a 4K image because you can see the perspective change. Keep looking at the GPU for example and how the angle changes

[@zBones762]

@@user-eu5ol7mx8y You can record at a higher resolution like 4 or 8k just as you would with an image then pan around that I'd think. Double the frames which should slow it down and smooth it out. But I'm not a video guy just speculating.

[@KhromTX]

2:50 that usb 3.0 header cable YIKES

[@michaelpavich1313]

no worries the motherboard is ultra durable lol

[@VeritasEtAequitas]

Whether you get better or worse thermals depends on your case and card, giving you flow characteristics and the distance to the side panel which chokes the intake.

[@robertsmart5600]

GPUs used to have supports at back of case to prevent stress on heavy cards, now they don't as there is no standard card length. Haven't you noticed how the back of your GPU droops down putting stress on it & motherboard, PCIe slots which are now reinforced to help support the load. Easy way to overcome problem is to lay case on it's side then all cards are mounted vertically, relieving stress, but case takes up more desk area. Rack mounted servers.

[@EposVox]

I don't like how GPUs look like that anyway. I'd rather use those slots for other nice-looking expansion cards, or to make capture cards easier to access.

[@HardwareCanucks]

+EposVox good point 👍

[@mitrooper]

Like so many things...it's all subjective.

[@50mph]

Vertical look great and it also helps to show off

[@JE-zl6uy]

Excellent testing and review sir! It's a very interesting situation because of the lack of airflow - I'd almost wonder if the mount was further from the case wall and closer to the motherboard it that performance dip goes away.. but very good to see this kind of thing done! My biggest "Advantage" for these style set-ups is it limits the "GPU Bend" you get from having the card mounted horizontally (the Heatsink pulling the card down slowly) - This has plagued my R9 270 and my more recent 1070 (and it's only 6 months old!) - I fixed it with a bracket to support the card and keep it from drooping... but I had considered a vertical mount to mitigate the droop all together... I think I'll stick with the bracket solution for now!

[@Kajifox]

I run my vertical mount off the regular PCI slots, it's a Cablemod mount. Reduces temperatures significantly, heat isn't trapped on the card. The ones up by the window, though, they're a no from me.

[@rileyhu9715]

I’m getting a mini motherboard from msi so I might mount vertically But then I saw the case is super close to the mount I’ll put something else there

[@chunguspizza]

I wonder if any gpu manufacturer will put out vertically optimized gpu coolers, since heat rises

[@StretchReality]

Chungus Pizza I doubt it, most cases still don’t have support for vertically mounting a gpu

[@DeilGrist]

Since any sensible computer build has active case airflow, the fact that heat rises really isn't worth factoring in. It only matters in passively cooled builds.

[@SteadfastWL]

The current one's already do that. The fans are intakes which push the air up into the card. Most of the momentum is lost but it's still carried upward and out of the case afterwards, especially with exhaust fans installed.

[@mjc0961]

Chungus Pizza "Heat rises" doesn't matter when you have fans moving the air around. I wonder when people will finally understand this.

[@OmniMontel]

mjc0961 just for grins in that case do me a favor, put your intake fans on the top of the case, mount your exhaust fan on the lower front or lower rear and compare internal heat and fan noise on a fairly warm build vs the temps and noise compared with taking into account that heat rises... It does make a bit of difference. I am not going to say that it is a big difference because the last time I screwed around like that was the Pentium 4 era but it does matter.

[@gravity6664]

>proximity to the glass panel *Laughs in custom bracket*

[@Crylhound]

What if there were intake fans pulling in fresh air through the bottom? Would that solve this problem?

[@kobihersh]

Great review, thanks for the info - it helps to know those things and having someone to test them - that's why I choose hardware canucks !

[@tankerd1847]

Good presentation, good content, clear and well thought out. Thank you!

[@Team974]

In the vertical graphics card video I did with the s340 and the cooler master bracket, it is further back and not so close to the glass.

[@drewbrowniii]

Another thing everyone should take into consideration, he's utilizing a "Mid-tower" case. Most beast PC builds will utilize a full-tower case just due to the amount and size of components within, this would effectively reduce the "GPU heating because of proximity to glass" issues.

[@Bird_of_Hope]

*2:30** So that's what PCIe extension cable looks like...*

[@iamthelaw69]

I'll let you know when people can actually afford a gaming GPU again though.

[@dctmatt]

Now

[@PhotoBobBarker]

There is one other thing to keep in mind, the bearings in the blower type fans are not designed for thrust loading. Though the "thrust" in the case of a horizontally mounted fan is only gravity, it will cause the bearings to loosen enough to let the impeller make contact with the shroud. I have had a BFG and two EVGA cards die with that exact failure mode. The second EVGA card got an aftermarket cooler and is still running fine.

[@alvincam]

I'm using a small form factor case where GPUs are always mounted wherever they fit, but since it's not just a showoff but has practical cause it has ventilation holes everywhere so the gpu draws fresh air from outside the case

[@0I0I0]

Just put a SLI and u will be fine

[@surelock3221]

i will fine

[@0I0I0]

lol I just noticed that

[@FancyaBevMate]

3% for this much bling hey id even take 10% for this much bling! This is how GPUs should have been positioned from day one!

[@christophermaxwell5551]

View 71 case here and I like it haven’t noticed any difference

[@christophermaxwell5551]

At the most I see it 63 c 1080sc

[@OriginalWinterblade]

You know, I thought about this too and came to the basic same conclusion as you, but only because of knowing that hot air or heat rises. That said, I figured since that is what goes on, the heat dissipation plates on the card can't push the air out as effectively on the connector side ( bottom now when mounted vertically ), causing heat to build up from a lack of airflow in that area. The heat just buffers and causes a warm zone around the card intake. Your test makes perfect sense to me. Though I imagine that water cooled version wouldn't be affected at all.

[@fgfanta]

If there is a mesh in front of it, instead of a glass , then it can pump fresh air from outside the case, which is good.

[@tarfeef_4268]

Solution: water cool the card!

[@m-copyright]

So lesson of the day is not to buy any case that was released in 2017. Pretty much all of them suck in some sort of form.

[@EvanDickersonM81]

fractal meshify doesn't have any shortcomings that i can find

[@MrMega200]

It has no 5.25" external options. I personally still like having an internal DVD drive instead of having another device that I have to store away somewhere in the case I do want to use it. Plus there is still use for 3.5" and 5.25" external bays such as a fan controller.

[@Luis1597Fatal]

To be fair 2017 was a pretty shitty year

[@mjc0961]

Evan Dickerson Where's the 5.25" bays? Even of you don't want a disc drive, they are still useful for other additions. I have a USB 3.0 port add-on (my case didn't come with them built in, was nice to be able to upgrade without buying a new case) and a small drawer I keep flash drives in.

[@aminetroudi2514]

Luis1597Fatal Except in video games, some pretty good games came out this year.

[@aimless-drifter]

Had a Zotac card sitting vertical for 2-3 year, before the card started to get really loud. I realized where the sound was coming from and installed the card horizontally, and the noise went away and the fans still work. It felt like a fan was seizing, when vertical.

[@playerpolitics7850]

I am going that route.. but I am going to mold an acrylic mount for the side-glass and cut holes where the fans are to reduce core temp issues.

[@killacamfoo]

It is a terrible trend, especially when combined with the tempered glass trend...ZERO airflow for a GPU.

[@cd7065]

wrong. Only if you put your cards next to the PCI slot but no sane person would do this. You should mod the PCI slots on the back to hold a vertical gpu, then it works fine ans might even have better airflow

[@ulysseslee9541]

place the vertical case horizontally, so the GPU cards are vertical-ed

[@JR-mk6ow]

Mastermind right here

[@yussef961]

hi i have my gpu vertically but because i put my case horizontally like a table bench if you wish, for airflow doesn't change much and above all i avoid gpu sag with my 4080 and i don't bother with gpu bracket this way etc

[@lancelovecraft5913]

I'm glad someone finally did a vid on this topic. If I decide to mount my ftw2 1080 card vertically, I will have to cut the brackets out and install the cooler master vertical gpu mount in my case. This will keep my card away from the glass and allow more airflow to the gpu and Gddr5 fans. I would like it if someone could do a vid on that and give me the temp reading. I expect it would be cooler than shown here but warmer than if I have it installed normally