Video showing a technique I used to start my diesel Freelander 2 in recent cold weather
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@tstuart7333 Жыл бұрын
I fully agree, My LRF2 also dislikes the cold. Brake Cleaner! I'm holding my breath I also blanked of the EGR valve, I done the same 3 years ago with my Rover 75 2.0 CDT1 Conn, it made such a difference to the engine, so responsive and still the same today. Thank you for all the tips and how 2s.
@Tigermoto10 ай бұрын
I know this is an old video now, but the reason the diesel engines are supposed to be cranking is that old 2-stroke diesels could actually be started in reverse. I don't know if modern 4 stroke could do this, but I very much doubt Holts would discount someone using it in an old 2-stroke. They're still around after all.
@BeavisPits10 ай бұрын
Interesting, thanks
@robertlincoln7312 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. I used easy start once and sprayed it through " your " blue air intake, my car started straight away. Now when it gets cold at night I put a double layer of carpet underlay over the engine. This has worked really well and keeps the battery a bit warmer. Take the underlay off the engine before starting.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Nice idea, may try that!
@robertlincoln7312 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits Leave yourself a note on the dashboard to remove the underlay before starting. Cheers.
@stevegill9704 Жыл бұрын
My dad always wrapped a blanket round engine of his van every night !! I always thought he was bonkers lol
@robertlincoln7312 Жыл бұрын
@@stevegill9704 I promise you, us old people are not bonkers.
@stevegill9704 Жыл бұрын
When I started work at co-op as a van lad in 1980 ,the driver would get us to spray easy start through air intake while they turned engie over to get the old Leylands trucks started lol Happy days
@willineumann95517 ай бұрын
thanks for your video put 3 gallons of hot water slowly on the engine and your car starts 100 %. my Land Rover had the same problem by minus 3 cg .
@AdeptHavelock Жыл бұрын
Weird that you posted this Scott. Whilst my MY15 FL2 starts fine, regardless of temp (-8 deg. being the lowest so far) and obviously still has good GP's) my MY06 Disco 3 is really struggling atm. Rather than use brake cleaner, or easy start, there's a workaround with the Disco where you can pour warm water on the coolant temp. sensor or another, which I've implemented, where you put a 5k ohm resistor and momentary switch in parallel with the sensor. That way, when it's below zero, you press the switch and it fools the ECU into thinking the engine is about 20 degrees C and it adjusts the fuel mapping accordingly. Disco starts first time, and you release the switch. Admittedly, it does sound like a tractor and blow like a Panzer at first, but in a fix it gets the job done! I really need to get my FBH running reliably as a parking heater, but have been waiting for some tips from your install 😉
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Strange that it starts better when thinking it is warmer. You’d think it would be the other way around.
@alexberry5118 Жыл бұрын
Started mine on Hair spray last week as I was in middle of nowhere and it was all I could find Also Easystart will work better if it’s warm Used to put tin under armpit when I had an old diesel s2a😅
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Hairspray?! Wow! Good to hear that works too in an absolute emergency! Bet the exhaust smelt nice!
@jamiebyrne6907 Жыл бұрын
Glad it's not just my FL2 in this weather. When we had -10 it took me over 40 minutes to get it started
@Stura_tv Жыл бұрын
my car just did not start, back to 0 and it was ok, gotta love an old landy
@spacefreeman Жыл бұрын
Well, I own FL2 SD4 restyled version manufactured for russian market. It is equipped with webasto heater (which burns diesel inside to warm up coolant), so it makes life little bit easier, but I have to keep an eye on the battery, especially in winter time. However, this winter were couple of mornings with -22C, so only second attempt to start the engine was successful. What is important here is keep ~ 25 seconds pause between attempts, glow plugs are heating about that time, although there is no sign in control panel.
@spacefreeman Жыл бұрын
My opinion is based on pretty nice video about glow plugs timings v=59xxQZNOHjg It is russian, but english subtitles are available.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
I’m fitting a webasto. Big project so the weather may warm up before it is ready. I’ve tried waiting longer for the glowplugs to heat up but they are all blown (open circuit).
@robertharvey9698 Жыл бұрын
Same engine in Mk4.5 (facelift) Mondeo. I just changed the glow plugs - job jobbed 👍
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Was it difficult to do on a Mondeo? I’ve heard that it is really difficult on a freelander2.
@robertharvey9698 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits Not especially, a bit fiddly, but doable. The front crash panel is slightly lower on the Mondeo than the FL, which helps. Go to the Talk Ford forum, and have a search around under the Diesel Engine section. There are a number of posts there, including from me with some Pics. I’ve actually done the job twice as I changed my car and did it on the old one and then the new one. The first time I accessed them by just removing the fuel filter assembly and throttle body for access - as I was only changing the glow plugs. The second time I went the whole hog and replaced the inlet manifold and changed the glow plugs as I was in there anyway. I actually found a very useful KZbin video of changing them on an LR Freelander - so have a search and you will find. The Mondeo, facelift at least, has the 5v plugs with the same control module as you mentioned. Armed with the KZbin video I mentioned and the Talk Ford info you won’t have any problem. You will have back-ache though. For info, on the first car, all four had gone open circuit within 85k, on the second car they were all still good at 88k, so I changed them anyway as I was in there & for the sake of another £40 for genuine parts it made sense to do. Good luck 👍
@Stura_tv Жыл бұрын
same here, just does not like the cold, thought it was the battery which might have been the first case the first time, I now start the car put the aircon on and wait a min before pressing the start again... Magic well so far its working
@deannabristow7965 Жыл бұрын
Hi. Thanks for all the information and videos helps lots. My freelander 2.2. 2012 would not start as try 4 to 5 times so I did what you said the 2 stage start and it work. Thanks
@petermorris3665 Жыл бұрын
Definitely agree with the 2 - stage start sequence you show here - Mine started much easier today at -5 deg C using that method than it did yesterday at -5 deg (When I forgot to use it). Mine is a 2010 MY / 59 plate and I do get the glow plug delay on the Normal single-press start. Thankfully, I changed all 4 of my glow plugs when I removed my swirl flaps (At around 73,000 miles) and all 4 still worked!
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
How hard was it to change the plugs and do the flaps?
@petermorris3665 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits Removing manifold takes time and patience. Some fuel line release clips (Green) can be brittle so care needed. Change the Fuel filter at the same time as IIRC it is removed to get the manifold off. Plugs are easy (Run the engine to temp before starting the job and spray release fluid around them whilst your doing the flaps/rod). Hardest part, for me, was removing the swirl flaps / actuating rod from the manifold. Others say this is easy but I found it hard but at least that is done on the workbench. Worth de-crudding the manifold at the same time. Good luck!
@Ian-2022 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits You've done a lot of harder jobs so you needn't worry. I also changed inlet manifold gaskets when I did mine. Just take your time 👍
@russ4972 Жыл бұрын
Another good vid Scott. Glow plug change video incoming? I actually got a quote from my local garage of £230. Seemed reasonable for the job.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
That is very reasonable! They are a pain to get to, and can also shear off quite easily. Not a job I’m looking forward to!
@nollaig8353 Жыл бұрын
Drill a small hole in the blue pipe for the nozzle pipe for spraying..It can then be closed with a self tapping screw.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
I have thought about doing this. Maybe a Fast & Furious style boost button rigged up to a can of easystart! 😂
@Marcturbo19 ай бұрын
Nice video. The throttle flap is for egr to create more exhaust priority, as its turbocharged. Without it you get antilag, not egr lol. It's not for engine stopping. The glow plugs, once warming increase in resistance so only pull 15 amps. Ohms law doesnt really work like real world if you test cold. Your main issue is poor cranking rpm to be honest. That has a huge impact. 😊
@BeavisPits9 ай бұрын
The issue here was that all glowplugs high resistance (burnt out) so no help at all. It was very cold, well below zero, so even with a new starter motor it would probably still struggle.
@Marcturbo19 ай бұрын
@BeavisPits I do think it's daft they don't delay. Mine doesn't either. Crappie software.
@francb1276 Жыл бұрын
A clue as to why stuff like hair spray and (non-flammable) brake cleaner works could be the propellant, which is usually butane or propane... 😉 Incidentally, (touching wood!) never had any problem with my 2012 model SD4.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Brake cleaner is naptha/xylene, both very flammable. I don’t think there is a separate propellant, just the volatile gas pressure. Hairspray will use a propellant, butane or something. Older non-flammable trichloroethane brake cleaner should never be used, toxic/carcinogenic when burnt.
@francb1276 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits Ah, ok. I didn't know the makeup of the more modern stuff! I must admit I thought trike was now banned anyway for the reasons you say. My comments apply then to any non-flammable aerosol can active ingredients, which will be propelled by LPG now that R12 has long been illegal. I think that makes any can useable but its other contents may of course be nasty (either to people or engines) when burnt! Having said that, I suspect an exception would be aerosol fire extinguishers 😉😛
@paulpiscina5906 Жыл бұрын
Took me about 5 mins to get mine going this morning, it was -5 car hadn’t been started for day and a half. Done the two stage start but it just weren’t having it. Eventually it caught but boy it’s never been that bad before.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you got it running eventually, and it’s also good to hear that it’s not just me having difficulty in this weather!
@petergarner5991 Жыл бұрын
Hello, I live in Sweden and we have it cooler than you. I've not had any problems with starting. What oil do you use? If you have a real problem then fit an engine heater. I know in Finland it's law you have to sell new cars with engine heaters because of the winter. Good video, interesting.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
I expect your glowplugs are working, plus you have engine heaters. I’m working on fitting a Webasto diesel fired heater.
@petergarner5991 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits looking forward to watching the engine heater fitting.
@Rpoul87 Жыл бұрын
Tried out a straight start at -5deg last night (2008 model). There was a few second hesitation and then starts straight off. No symbol on the dash. Changed the plugs last month.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Working glow plugs are essential at -5’C. Sounds like yours are heating but the bulb has gone in your instrument cluster. Was it difficult to change the plugs?
@Rpoul87 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits not too bad of a job. Be careful when moving fuel lines as they get brittle, and a good chance to check and protect the alternator exciter cable (thin blue cable)it’s prone to rubbing through. Also change the manifold gaskets if you’re going down the manifold off option. Interesting vid on the LR Time channel on glow plugs.
@random-person1 Жыл бұрын
are people saying that if you dont press and hold the starter button without your foot on the clutch the car will figure out if it needs to use the glow plugs? if so, THEY dont know what they are talking about. most cars will work out of the glow plugs are needed or not, but the FL2 i have, and my friend has the same model (same year) and we both have to press and hold the starter button to make the glow plugs come on!
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
The car is meant to work out if they are needed or not, based on coolant temperature. The double press method gives them more heating time and allows the self-check current to fall first.
@dazer123 Жыл бұрын
You could also just fit new Glo plugs
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Yes, I will, but it is a major job on FL2, they are very difficult to get to. Not a job for this time of year.
@dazer123 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits I look forward to seeing that video dude 😎
@magnusfranzonuvebrant9519 Жыл бұрын
Tou are RIGHT!
@robertrogers8440 Жыл бұрын
i have recently had a new high speed starter fitted and it wizzes the engine round so fast it starts -10 no problem. before -3 and it was a pig ! why can't you spray into the airfilter, just undo the clips ! Not a fan of sprays and closer to the engine the more brutal the response when it fires up! Thank you very good vid.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Air filter is almost 3m from the engine, so takes a lot of cranking to get the spray into the chambers. I will try a new starter motor just to see if it helps. I don’t think it will, but I’m happy to spend the £200 and be proved wrong!
@robertrogers8440 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits I had the same problem with manitou telescopic from new it wouldn't start below freezing and i had a high speed starter fitted and it starts first time every time now no heating ! Please ask others before investing and see the response, but it must be a higher speed than standard. Bon courage from France.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
What make is your new starter? I can only see Lucas or Denso available. Neither are labelled as high speed.
@robertrogers8440 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits I can't see the name on it sorry, the only thing i can is the number H21268 if that means anything ?
@HoodedCrow100 Жыл бұрын
Interesting, I was watching your older video about cold starting last night, turning on waiting 10 seconds for the glow plugs to pre warm then starting the engine. Very cold where I am at the moment -6c last night and my old HSE 2007 FL 2 has struggled to start (it will, but slower than usual and sluggish to turn over until it gets going, has new fully charged battery) One thing I've noticed after following your videos is that the my glow plug symbol doesn't show at all on the dash, not even for a second, or when the cars doing a system check, nothing!. I don't think I've ever noticed it come on since I've owned it. Would this be more likely a relay, fuse or electrical fault rather than dead glow plugs? I only ask as I noticed your glow plug dash light came on in this video even though you said they are all dead.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
The light is on the relay trigger side as far as I know. My light works, and relay clicks, but no current through my plugs as all four have burnt out. Check you coolant temperature sensor as that is what the computer reads to decide whether to use the glowplugs or not. Check for fault codes too. If it was me, I’d hard wire a push button from 12V to the glowplug feed as a temporary measure to manual heat them before starting.
@HoodedCrow100 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits Thanks! I will look into the coolant sensor, didn't know about that affecting the glow plugs coming on. Will also try swapping the R6 Relay from the heated screen as I know this is working into the glow plugs relay socket as you mentioned at the beginning of the video, wondering if this may be the problem of the dash light not showing. Will ordered a new diagnostic reader and see what it comes up with, cars getting old 15 + years now. Have noticed more things failing in the last few years, most I manage to fix myself, I really like the old girl and I'm loathed to part with her! 🤞🏻
@tonyrowell6157 Жыл бұрын
i have this trouble with my fl2 as well beavis it's a real pain in the ass,great video again though,can you tell me please on your gearbox oil change video the oil you use is it for just the manual box or for automatic box too? thanks buddy
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Only for manual gearbox.
@tonyrowell6157 Жыл бұрын
could you recommend oil for the auto please
@rjbfreelander2 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Scott. wonder what is causing the starting issue though. Seems odd to not want to fire at -6.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
All glowplugs blown
@hilary2668 Жыл бұрын
Hi, will you be doing a video on changing your glow plugs, would be a great video, thanks
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Yes I will be. In a couple of months when the weather is warmer.
@hilary2668 Жыл бұрын
That's great, I will be looking forward to it, thanks, 👍
@magnusfranzonuvebrant9519 Жыл бұрын
Addicted … 😅
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
How is it possible?
@nigelwoodhouse20735 ай бұрын
Burns very hot, causing the cylinders surface to harden which then polishes resulting in a loss of seal between rings and bores and thus a drop of compression making it even harder to start so will then need easy start even in warm weather, thus the addicted effect.
@jonathanquick25747 ай бұрын
Any one else here from The UK Great Freeze Jan 2024
@sindyvanstaden9976 Жыл бұрын
Great info thank you. One question, I changed my glow plugs, tested the new plugs and the relay was swabbed out, but according to the obd it says glow plugs open circuit, I did not test the F4 fuse . what resistance should it be and is it changeable if faulty
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
The fuse will be short circuit if good and open circuit if bad.
@sindyvanstaden9976 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits thanks for the feedback, my 60 amp fuse is dead and I will replace it
@filipgraorkovski30636 ай бұрын
Try it with Honda, or, Mercedes on -20° , they will start in about 5/7 secounds. Cheers
@BeavisPits6 ай бұрын
Glow plugs working no doubt?
@thisispointless29 Жыл бұрын
Glow plugs or not shouldn’t have too much trouble starting in this temp. No wonder yours doesn’t start with your crank speed being that horrifically slow! Get a new starter motor on there, bad starter could also be drawing massively more currently than a good one which would mean not much power available to power the glow plugs to the best of their ability.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
I actually thought it was cranking pretty quickly. You may be correct, the starter is original so 13 years old now. It could do with being renewed. Even with faster cranking, I think it would still struggle with faulty glowplugs.
@thisispointless29 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits I’d honestly say it’s cranking nearly half as fast as mine, mine has had all 4 glow plugs burnt out for years (until i replaced them recently) however never had an issue starting once in all them years over the cold winter months, just a little smokey. Think denso are OE for starter motors for these engines, however the terminal broke off on mine and now has a Lucas one fitted which has also been fine.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I’m happy to spend the money and try this. The starter is 13 years old so renewing it wouldn’t do any harm. It will make an interesting video, even if it doesn’t make the car start any easier in cold weather.
@MAX19802010 Жыл бұрын
Мне кажется у Вас свечи накала не работают. Первый раз вижу, что в запуск на дизеле брызгают. Это же не i6. Я в -28 завожу без подогрева Webasto - без проблем.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Correct! Glowplugs all failed. Webasto being fitted soon!
@pauldlewis3138 Жыл бұрын
I always use the 2 stage start and Allthough my car starts ok, I have never seen the glow plug symbol on the dash even in the cold weather below 5 degrees ..... is there a check I can make ?
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
The simplest check is to get an assistance to listen to the relay while you start in cold weather. It should click and then unclick after a while, as the plugs get powered. On later facelift models there is no relay, it is a control module so you’ll need to test the output with a meter. Check the fuse too.
@jonstevens5962 Жыл бұрын
I use a NOCO on my battery 🤷🏻♂️
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
What is that?
@petergarner5991 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits I think it's a battery start help.
@richardwallace4509 Жыл бұрын
Hi b.p. did it start the next day.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Yes, started fine above 0’C, but needs a spray below freezing.
@johnmcphee22019 ай бұрын
would it not be easier to change the glow plugs?
@BeavisPits9 ай бұрын
Not really, it’s a major job on the FL2. Inlet manifold needs to come off and then there is the risk of the plugs snapping. I am going to tackle this very soon.
@stevegill9704 Жыл бұрын
I have 2011 sports LE , there is no glow plug symbol lighting up on my dash ?
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Your car will probably have the 5V plugs driven by a control module. It may be faulty. The light will only come on when very cold.
@stevegill9704 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information 👍
@jockwasher Жыл бұрын
You don't happen to be an MSP marketing expert do you?
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Er, no sorry
@louisjames1062 Жыл бұрын
Did you notice any difference with the hard pipe inlet?
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
Do you mean the silicone ducting?
@louisjames1062 Жыл бұрын
@@BeavisPits yes. Over the stock plastic inlet. Iv just done then catch can mod, I’m venting back in to inlet tho.
@BeavisPits Жыл бұрын
@@louisjames1062 no performance increase, but that wasn’t why I did it, it was because the factory duct leaks oil from the joint above the hot turbo. It looks better too!