Very Unfair Attacks in Fighting Games (with

[@lordknightfgc]

I am politely asking you to subscribe (or else)

[@ElaDkaz]

LK i like you're videos very much, but please either change your mic or lower your the input gain it's off putting to the ear and sound a bit unprofessional🧡

[@Lain_S-B]

I am asking them to sub too

[@luisbo3]

No

[@vainamoinen504]

Just this once...

[@lordknightfgc]

​@@ElaDkaz trying to work on it, I'm not a fan of this mic really and I want to switch to something else soon 😭

[@i.ftekhar]

Love how Brian F actively engages with the games he’s not familiar with and asks questions, and seems to be genuinely interested

[@nobodygoodfr9556]

It’s crazy how much of a skill it is to talk with people genuinely when you know you’re recording

[@alhyena2002]

Yeah, he seems like he's enjoying the conversation instead of just recording for content, it's nice to see

[@zanpakutoman4225]

Yeah, sometimes you can tell someone's trying to show interest, in videos like this. But, they go COMPLETELY silent while the explanation is going on, until the person talking emphasizes something. I think it's fair that you can't force someone to be interested. But, I feel like there are better ways to treat it than just going "OH~ That's crazy~" when the person talking finishes their thought.

[@notsoberoveranalyzer8264]

@@nobodygoodfr9556 Articulating your thoughts, having a strong vocabulary ( Not just a good one, but a vast one. So you can always communicate effectively to anyone. It’s pointless to have a vocabulary in which most the words you use aren’t regularly used by anyone else, or the majority of people. As, you may come off as arrogant, showy, or you’ll just be bad at communicating. Which is the entire point). Being able to socialize, regardless of what you feel or are experiencing~ These skill sets are unbelievably valuable. Always have been, always will be. It’s precisely due to these skills, men have ruled over nations with no prior experience. It’s how so many get jobs, even if they don’t have the skill set, it’s also fantastic for team building, and strengthening your weaker areas. There’s a reason that so many cultures and languages all through history have praised those with these skills .

[@notsoberoveranalyzer8264]

@@nobodygoodfr9556 I kinda went off topic. I was just pretty much backing up what you were saying.

[@Lazergician]

Brian is easily the best crossover guest in the FGC in my opinion. He's well informed, interested in learning about games he doesn't play, and to me is very personable. Everyone's got different preferences of course, but IMO, get this man back here!

[@tearitup5864]

Him and Sajam, jwong was good too

[@MrBones105]

Brian is like one of the most socially well adjusted FG players. A diamond in the rough.

[@maxwellscott-bz8bf]

@@MrBones105him and Sajam or Wong in America (older/maturity helps)

[@illford]

@@maxwellscott-bz8bf Sajam isn't even that old tho, he's like 29. Justin Wong just plays anything that's a fighting game. You could ask him about anything from Smash to Ultra Fight and he'd probably be very interested

[@samuraileo1]

50:50 BrianF’s slow realization that anime players just don’t block killed me

[@mercury6032]

LMAOOOOO

[@MoonlitRose101]

Why hold back when you can just go forward

[@chasemcfarland2851]

Can't beat the shit outta my opponent without getting closer

[@noah-ux2cz]

Maybe they were just scared to take the 50:50

[@theblackbasketball]

@@noah-ux2czThis comment caught me off guard lmao

[@julesk4778]

But look how happy big brian is talking abt oro

[@Spectrik]

I know, right? He sounds extremely passionate about this game, and it's really wholesome

[@kevingriffith6011]

9:23 It's a shame it took them so long to add some saucy characters to the game, but the late additions all had some fun stuff to play with. Menat, G, Kage, Gill, Seth, Rose, Akira, Oro... I swear some of these characters launched with more sauce than the entire season 1 cast combined.

[@NeoBoneGirl]

That's just kinda Street Fighter. A lot of the sauce is either gimmicks or it's accidental (like Aegis Reflector unblockables)

[@lordknightfgc]

It's a tough thing on the dev side because (this is a theory btw just based on what I've seen), I think devs are scared of making characters too broken and the game getting a bad rap, so they play it safe with the launch roster, see how the game plays, and then go from there. Obv the s1 dlc roster is planned in advance, but they have time to wait and see what type of tactics are strong, how people use resources, mechanics etc

[@mudgepeeman3508]

Don't forget about dan

[@JJStylies]

​@@lordknightfgc there's also the fact that the longer devs can watch players of their game, the better they understand and can balance a more complicated thing. On top of that, starting with the basic shoto and iterating from there makes a lot of sense from a development standpoint.

[@Just.Kidding]

@@lordknightfgc I think you're partially right in that it _used_ to be that way, but thankfully - as we can see with SF6 - the new heads of the fighting game division are taking things in a simply better direction.

[@kamesennin4444]

I understand why Brian was so perplexed by bacchus sigh; LK didn’t explain Johnny or his mechanics enough. Blue burst specifically caused the glitch, and Johnny only ever used bacchus when going for an unblock-able. So if he goes for it in this instance, he should be baiting burst for one. But also Johnny is a level up character. He has to spend his coins to level up his mist finer stance and make the cancels better. If he releases the move he spends all his levels. That’s why Johnny doesn’t use Mist Finer without canceling it on block, his block pressure falls apart without levels, and so do his confirms (the main things that make him so good). He does use mist finer release a lot in neutral like LK said, but that’s only at level 1. Conclusion, Johnny doesn’t want to spend Mist Finer without reward and being able to coin up + the consensus of losing mist when hit made people not find the bug for quite a while.

[@seijiikari9395]

Yeah I think LK missed that when explaining the mechanics, it’s all well and good to know when he hits level 3 he can cancel normals to make them safe but without knowing leveling is not a permanent install you wouldn’t realize why it’s not used that way

[@genny_generic]

oh love to see the brain_f collab. love this series, i really enjoy learning about specifically interesting fighting game things.

[@NeoBoneGirl]

I think the reason that the Bacchus Sigh glitch wasn't found for so long was partly because of slow information but it's also like how I think LK was trying to say but didn't really explain well, is that unless it was unleveled mist finer, you'd never just DO it, since levels are an important resource and you usually want to keep them unless you can get something you know is guaranteed, because better Mist Finer is too good to give up for nothing. Even if someone just did a leveled mist finer in neutral and it hit unblockable, it would be easy to chalk it up to "they just got hit in neutral" instead of "they got unblockabled", since you can't clearly confirm if they were blocking or not in neutral just by watching, and getting hit could even gaslight the player into thinking "Guess I dashblocked too late" or "Guess I was holding 2 instead of 1"

[@peanutbuttersf7662]

i would like to say, you are the best. as someone who did not play xrd, hearing that nobody noticed an unblockable like that for a year sounds crazy

[@Simon_E32]

10/10, Brian seemed so interested in understanding each move/setup

[@Dunker401]

One thing I want to add to this list is adachi B ziodyne in bbtag. A full screen projectile that lasts for like 5 seconds. In a team based game where you can switch to your partner that has really potent hi/low mix that can’t be pushblocked because it’s technically your partners move that your blocking and not the character advancing. And if that wasn’t enough if you’re close to the wall even if you burst and get hit by the very end of the projectile it causes a wall splat where you will eat a full combo anyway.

[@atbtrendy9932]

Adachi deserves to be top tier

[@toosquare]

bbtag had worse stuff, Narukami and Jin's supers were fullscreen almost entirely unavoidable projectiles that did half your health in chip damage lol

[@Dunker401]

@@toosquare yes but there supers and cost resources, and that’s only true for Jin as narukami you can still punish it from full screen. Where as adachi projectile cost no meter and your freely allowed to switch to your other character to mix.

[@MidWestWolf1985]

Ive been loving these collabs LK, you have really good synergy with every guest, which is nice to see. Another subject that would be fun would he favorite characters- characters whose gameplans you like, whose movelists you think are cool, ones that got you important wins, or just ones that are fun to play. Its fun hearing people gush about stuff they like

[@bg-cc6hn]

This was a really cool collab I really like how both of you were engaged in learning about different games and drawing comparisons and contrasts Really shows both the shared DNA and the unique flavor of different FGs Great video LK!

[@harryf9885]

25:00 I think the “1!2!3!” voice-line also contributes to the move being as annoying as it is. That’s something important for game designers to think about. How often is a move going to be used? If it’s used constantly and is meant to be a powerful neutral tool should it really have a loud voice-line? How does the voice-line sound repeated over and over? Does it still sound good or does it make the character sound like a preschooler that just learned to count to 3? How similar is it to their other voice-lines? Another great example of a failure in this respect is pretty much every Storm voice-line in MVCS games. Anyone got some other examples?

[@opplerdop]

55:38 reminds me of the early years of people saying X or Y move has great "priority" when that straight up wasn't a system in those games and it actually just had a good hitbox

[@lilliangoulston5706]

You should bring Diaphone on so he can go over crazy versus game moves I would love to see how he talks about BBTAG stuff, that game has some disgusting setups

[@Gilbot9000]

Man I loved this team-up. Brian was a great guest. Can't wait to see more of this!

[@manboat3256]

There's just something about seeing someone most familiar with Street Fighter looking into the abyss of anime fighters. Great video

[@tatarin45]

I feel like an important part of the Johnny situtation that didn't get brought up (unless I'm deaf, also a possibility) is that you're not actually going to be using Bacchus Sigh to begin with unless you're about to do an unblockable setup, and the really good setups are just everything-safe anyway so it's not like Johnny got smacked before landing the unblockable that often.

[@troublewakingup]

Oro is such a sick character specially the things oro mains recognize with the RNG Brian once showed a combo that wouldn't work with blanka-chan dolls, and he has a 0 to stun combo on low stun characters it's pretty impractical but it's sick, not even mentioning the sagas of micro optimization

[@kahlt_]

VERY surprised Brian didn't mention the Blanka time stop tbh, the single most broken thing in SFV's history

[@DarkenedAuras7653]

I suspect they're not doing major bugs. That's not "unfair" so much as "entirely gamebreaking"

[@SirCheeseburgur]

it was also immediately banned and then patched out once it was discovered so it's not like it has much of a history to talk about

[@RonnyBarrier]

Great video guys! Y’all have really good chemistry.

[@amesorisu]

Hell yeah. LK + BRIAN F collab

[@ZhangHe2369]

I remember the bacchus sigh glitch had to do with hitting johnny with blue burst specifically and it only took away the animation instead of the unblockable debuff as well. Otherwise, it worked as intended with every other attack. That's why it took so long to find iirc.

[@Rainaldo991]

That was a really interesting co op from both you for me that i play dbfz since release and sfv since some months. Nice content!

[@fenimore-2854]

Honestly rev1 release bacchus sigh was broken enough as is without the infinite duration bug, back when it just flat out made mist finer unlockable rather than a stagger you have to lab around

[@NeoBoneGirl]

You still have to, it's just that the situation is a bit better, but more importantly the combo he gets off the stagger is WAY worse than the one he'd get off the old unblockable

[@96bmb]

Johnny in rev1 was hella strong if not outright broken. Guilty Gear Sign Ramlethals swords were independent to her. Meaning, even if she got hit, the sword would keep swinging. Hella broken.

[@fenimore-2854]

Rev 1 Johnny was so utterly busted, Satou the Johnny god quit xrd because he thought Johnny was incredibly braindead to play

[@96bmb]

@@fenimore-2854 Coolfactor the character tho. The Karinchu tech trap was some of the coolest stuff you could do in xrd. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKmqdnmAbNh9oqs For how stupid good he was, he was also the coolest imo

[@0lebull1]

This is the best version of this video so far. Great video.

[@noah-ux2cz]

Brian just seems genuinely terrified to watch the anime horrors unfold

[@Raxyz_0]

To put it into context when Brian said that just getting out of corner is already annoying: One of the patches in SFV where Cammy was Top 1, one of the reasons she was Top 1 is because if you cornered her while she had Trigger active and full meter, she could wakeup DP (one of the few "meterless" invincible DPs in the game) and cancel into CA. If you tried to meaty you'd get combo'd and put into the corner, if you blocked she was still safe from 98% of the cast because her whiffed CA in the corner moved her full screen. In short: Cornering Cammy while she had FULL resources meant that she could get out of the corner "for free" for SF standards.

[@Rukifelt]

Taokaka is still the best man, if it wasn't for the thumbnail, i probably wouldn't click in the video, awesome video dude

[@chrispinette481]

The chat with Brian at the end was great, awesome guest

[@GigaHands]

Brian_F: "The moves I'm gonna describe are probably really tame compared to your anime fighter nonsense." Also Brian_F: 37:38

[@SauceTriplet]

One thing I like about these videos is how informative it is from a Pro-High level players mindset. Good segment!

[@ubermaster1]

I love how Brian's face lit up the second he saw BlazBlue on screen, he knew immediately he was gonna see some bullshit and was looking forward to it.

[@quinnah5544]

R.I.P tengu stones, it was a joy to watch brine perform daylight robbery and filthy comebacks with oro

[@WiqidBritt]

The Taokaka reversal reminds me of Rose's Alpha Counter. Everyone else's does some damage and knocks you back, Rose's doesn't do any damage itself but it does switch sides in the corner and leaves you open for a full combo.

[@RedLineOneGC]

Ive see ln each episode of this series...i love these discussions...this is one of the few types of vids where the host, the guest, AND the viewer learn something new about these games shouts out to you guys

[@loganrourk9223]

This is awesome content. I really enjoyed your guys’ discussion, y’all have good chemistry 😃

[@GlowingOrangeOoze]

I love that "They're paying for their crimes." "...What did they *do?*" concept that was alluded to. We've all looked into some game and seen a character locked in the rusty cell of D tier with the Hannibal Lecter mask on. The people showing zero sympathy. We wonder what they could have done to deserve this.

[@Reco-Sco]

I could watch these collab videos endlessly they are so damn good.

[@deadfr0g]

Yessss! I love this series!!

[@kindasomeviews]

Meanwhile in the arcade Sailor Moon S game: Uranus's Command Grab: and Super " *_IM NOT GONNA SUGAR COAT IT_* "

[@Acryte]

Brian is such a cool dude, love the cameo.

[@osrsgold2547]

This video changed my mind on street fighter. Used to think it was boring, and quickly wrote off SFV because of players complaining about jank and whatever. Seeing what the jank actually was makes me wish I gave the game a chance!! Might check out SF6 ngl

[@LargeInCharge77]

5 was boring for years. They updated it a ton. 6 is wild right out of the gate!

[@Uooooooooooooh]

SF5 was horrible when it came out and in many people's minds it just stayed that way because understandably they didn't stick around to see it get improved

[@ComboSmooth]

Cyrax bombs from MK9 come to mind for unfair attacks. He was like the only guy that could 0 to death people with a nearly unblockable set up. Like if Kabal wasnt around being extra overtuned, Cyrax may have been the guy

[@ZeroZmm]

This reminded me of that tweet (which I can't find) of the person being like; "people complain about a move being broken and it looks like this" * stick figure with leg poking * Like..yea..that's what makes it broke. The 3 Ss: swift, short and safe

[@extremelydg]

This was a great video, thanks LK.

[@creedolala6918]

Brian didn't even mention the nasty cross up with the chicken feet flying over your head while the Stones hit you from behind. You'll see him use it 100 times in his videos and maybe one dude manages to block it.

[@Mykulveli]

Im liking this video at 10 seconds in because theres no possibility this isnt a banger. Im going to the grocery store with this on my headphones. If I gotta come back here and take my thumbs up back...

[@LegendaryO34]

31:00 I only subbed to Brian_f like two years ago. Didn't know we both picked out favorites and ended up with the same top tier team in s1! -16, Cell, SS Vegeta-

[@bunbunkitten]

This is an amazing collab!

[@methanesulfonic]

Brian mentioning 4 bar combo meanwhile Guile on SF6 has 5 bar combo 🗿

[@nouvelle147]

It's wild how SF's idea of an unfair attack is a -2 poke 😭 Anime fighting games are brutal man

[@Rhannmah]

well you have to consider what counterplay there is to it in that specific game, if there's none or very little then yeah it's very cheap

[@randomcatname7792]

I mean SF6 Have Dee Jay and Marisa who have so much plus on block

[@ffxlover123]

Great video!!!

[@ersepi.]

Longform fighting game content from two of the goats

[@Mario_bland]

I like how brian said hes going into deep into the vaults and vsav music starts playing. Fooled me so hard.

[@donbrandoli]

this is the year of Brian_F

[@bunnybreaker]

OMG Brian F's first fighting games was SF4. I feel so old 😅

[@box1778]

I thought you already had Sajam on here?

[@squidinkgaming4035]

26:46 says that it’s like Brawl Metaknight and proceeds to show Ultimate footage

[@oskoshua4482]

LordKnight ik this is an old video but i just discovered you and i love your videos, you talk a lot about blazblue and you use persona 4 music quite often so all that equals some really awesome content

[@ahmedibrahim4997]

isn't tao's gaurd cancel just like +R baiken but less bullshit because at least tao's costs meter ?

[@ahmedibrahim4997]

oh wait there is one difference , baiken's gaurd cancel can be baited (kinda) , unless you have 25% meter then it's free pressure

[@lordknightfgc]

In cs1 it was by far the best guard cancel in the game. Baiken has od guard cancels too and I'll go over them sometime, but in old BB games, moves had like double the hit stop and os throw tech still teched throws for an eternity (13f?), so you couldn't make her block anything that wasn't an A button without her killing you lol

[@guestguest9051]

When LK said it's similar to Ed's, I thought he's gonna talk about Adult Gohan's lightning legs but I forgot beyblade was a thing

[@GohTheGreat]

This was really damn good video

[@dondodando8084]

THE STONES, MY LORD RESPECT THE STONES

[@darkheat9946]

He was right about Gotenks spin but the wrong version. Around season 2.5 they accidentally forgot to scale his EX spin and released it like that. What did that mean? Well, everything you just saw but he could combo ex spin into ex spin spark ex spin assist ex spin and you were basically DEAD. This was still while he had ghost oki btw. Just The most annoying "what do I do here" thing you could possibly play.

[@C3lticlord]

I love Oro and I hope he comes to SF6 even though it is unlikely

[@harryvpn1462]

LK looks so different with a beard

[@mercury6032]

two of my favorite fgc content creators on a single video? awesome :)

[@quinnah5544]

You guys should do sets in different games. Get brian to teach LK street fighter games and vica verse with LK teaching brian anime games. I reckon it would make for some quality content.

[@GuuchReborn]

that rev mist finer was genuinely funny

[@Secondhandtermite]

BRINE

[@karue7581]

Brian was so great in this

[@lmfz4800]

Man, I remember when people used to hide tech for countering umvc3 Phoenix so they could pull it out in grands.

[@MrAnnoyingYouBadly]

I haven't played fighterz in a long time but isn't labcoats beyblade just as good as gotenks? Like I said it's been a while since I've played(right after labcoats nerf actually) and I never got into it that much but I remember a lot of talk around labcoats beyblade. Or did they nerf that as well?

[@twixtwix2915]

0:27 I hadn’t seen Mika in a while and…god damn

[@shingrandfather]

honestly i’m surprised you didn’t put titanomachia in here considering your ptsd.

[@Tremuoso]

this series is great!

[@Point5_]

26:45 "brawl mk tornado" *shows ultimate mk tornado

[@Just.Kidding]

i thought i remembered combos off of guard cancels/counter hits not being able to kill in blazblue, but that might not be all versions

[@rpgtimefire]

Can't wait until you get Brian f on next

[@seven1544]

rocking the hell outta that beard LK

[@krehera]

your videos are really good

[@declancrawford8799]

I love all the guests but please more Brian f

[@X19Virus]

Brian_F's first choice being tengu stones is so expected it feels like cheating lol

[@JacksonR2V]

great video as always, such a good series and I’ll never complain about a Brian_f collab

[@filipefhn]

A guest that shows some KOF related unfairness would be cool

[@smoothsavage2870]

Probably have to get Reynauld, Xiaohi or Arslan Ash.

[@k-thesupreme3511]

One of these days LK will mention vanilla magatsu mandala

[@lordknightfgc]

Y'know, I don't think it's really broken BUT if someone didn't play that game they'd be like "wtf is this" huh lmao

[@k-thesupreme3511]

@@lordknightfgc lol I suppose so but the unburstable unavoidable unblockable scenarios are uber fucked up

[@adamrussell9573]

You love to see the Wormlord_F collab 🙏

[@Eji1700]

I have no idea who you'd even get on, but Sam Sho V Special has some INSANE bullshit.

[@krowe5911]

It'd be hilarious if you invited Romolla on and then spent the entire video only talking about Johhny and Elphelt.

[@Mteverfresh]

Idek sf5 got that nasty, definitely appreciate Brian focusing on it

[@deathbringer9893]

im still waiting for snake kick from hazama to get added in one of these

[@JakeMarley-k6g]

Feels weird seeing Ed with kick moves

[@Kerim_I]

O MISTU FINDA! No arakune though?

[@SkRapp3]

That damage is INSANE bruh

[@sirius7180]

Godlike vid but now I'm scared of there being secret broken setups under my nose that I don't know about.

[@DuragDusty]

Rizzknight is back again, beard lookin good g

[@KSabot]

Good chance that was Marlinpie cammy doing those unlockables in ssf4 lol

[@Rhannmah]

56:38 nope!

[@shymera]

sad he didnt talk about the cross up stuff with oros stones