Olympic Games 1972 Drama Finale Basket USA USSR

Op de olympische spelen van 1972 in Munchen speelde USA de finale in het basketbal tegen de USSR. Deze finale eindigde heel tumultueus en zorgde voor veel controverse. Dat dergelijke dingen mogelijk zijn op dit niveau is onbegrijpelijk. Al is het wel een mooie zaak dat de hegemonie van de USA werd verbroken, alsook hun hoogmoed wordt afgestraft. Oordeel zelf wat je vindt van de uitslag...

[@rozaqantaria3769]

Mikheil Korkia and Zurab Sakandelidze created an epoch, both great personalities, legends, unfortunately, are no longer with us! Two proud Georgians.

[@johnburns4017]

Randy Harvey of the LA Times, *_"The Americans thought at every turn they had been cheated. They probably hadn't been but they still haven't acknowledged that."_* *1.* The Soviet's bench called a timeout when Collins was on the court's floor running into the scaffolding, after being fouled. 3 seconds remain. *2.* The Soviet bench *did not* call timeout between Collins' two foul shots, or after when the Soviets went up the court. It was *before* these two events. *3.* The Soviet coaches were indicating clearly to the scorer's desk they called and wanted a timeout. They were being ignored. *4.* Collins puts the USA ahead with his two baskets. *5.* The horn sounds before Collins pops the second - an odd time for the horn to sound. The horn sounded as the ball had left Collins' hands. *6.* The sounding horn was an acknowledgement that a Soviet timeout should have been awarded earlier. The Soviets did not call timeout illegally between Collins' two shots. Soviet coaches were on the line indicating they want a timeout. *7.* Play _quickly_ resumed after Collins scores, with 3 seconds remaining, with a Soviet inbound *_(1st)._* The Soviet bench were still on the line rightly protesting that they wanted a timeout (called before Collins' baskets & acknowledged by the horn) and that was being ignored. *8.* There was 1 second left. The ref stops play at 1 second left seeing the Soviet bench pointing to him making "T" signs with their hands. *9.* The ref saw this error, however never gave the Soviets the timeout. He rolled back play & time to the inbound throw taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, *_(2nd),_* resetting play and time. 3 seconds still remain. The ref could have started the game at 1 sec remaining, however taking the ball back to the line means resetting the time back to 3 seconds. Now back to the state of play and time after Collins scored. Soviets are still denied the timeout. *10.* The ref never gave the Soviet timeout, which he should have done. At this point the Soviets are being cheated. *11.* The Bulgarian umpire, not the Brazilian ref, resumed play before the clock was reset to 3 secs, allowing play to resume at 1 sec on the unset clock with the *_(2nd)_* Soviet inbound. *12.* The US thought the game was over with them winning as the horn was sounded after 1 second. *13.* The Ref saw the errors of: a) not resetting the clock b) resuming play without his authority. He is in charge not the umpire. *14.* The ref puts matters right, resetting the clock to 3 secs taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, the *_(3rd)._* *There is nothing wrong with that decision.* *15.* The US players fully understood that the clock had not been reset and why play was being resumed. *16.* The Soviets threw the ball up the court from their *_(3rd)_* inbound popping the winning basket within 3 secs. *Winners !!* *The ref did **_most_** right, but not all.* He should have done more, annulled Collins scores and taken play back to the point that Collins was on the floor when the Soviets called timeout, giving the Soviets the timeout they called for. After the Soviet timeout Collins could take his two free throws again. Or the Soviets could have the timeout between Collins' two throws. The ref was unaware that the Soviets called timeout when Collins was on the floor, the scorer on the desk never informed him - a breakdown in the officiating mechanism. The Soviet coaches were indicating clearly to the scorer's desk they called for a timeout. The USA team were beaten fairly. *The USA gripe -* was that Jones the FIBA head, went the few feet from his seat to the scorers table suggesting that the clock be reset to 3 secs from 1 sec, as it should have been, as the play was being rolled back to the inbound. The ref was doing this anyhow amongst pandemonium around him. He could have suggested taking the play back to the initial Soviet timeout call when Collins was on the ground, which would have been the fair and right thing to do. He never. The ref had no need to take any notice of anyone, he was 100% in command. It was clear the Soviet timeout was called when Collins was on the floor. *The Soviet gripe -* was that their timeout call, when Collins was on the floor, was ignored. They only got play and time rolled back to the point Collins scored. They *never* got the timeout they called for with even a horn sounding for it. They got *nothing.* They made full use of the play being put back back to the position after Collins scored, so were satisfied. They had 3 seconds to score - they skillfully did.

[@BobPapadopoulos]

Fact: The Soviets won at 40:03 elapsed game time... which, by rule, is emphatically impossible.

[@kevinnorton8967]

You cant "gift" teams extra time...USSR lost fair and square

[@отпирайте]

Kevin Norton you can if timeout was called earlier than when it was given

[@thevoiceofdoom3549]

Thanks for making this clear. Because I was surpised the horn sounded as soon as that Russian touched the ball where its supposed to be about 2 secs left.

[@johnburns4017]

@Adrian Flores I fail to see where the Americans were cheated. The Soviets were, in that they were denied a legitimate timeout.

[@oneputtsteven]

I grew up in Southern Illinois. The "Benton Flash" and Illinois State star was idolized here in southern Illinois. After nearly being knocked out Collins calmy makes both free throws one of the great clutch moments in the history of sports!!

[@GodronATX]

this game is like all of us trying to make a "buzzer beater" as a kid and every time we miss the shot clock magically gives us more time

[@nikozovner8712]

This is a legend scene

[@Axledawg44]

Man those were some quality, non-bias refs lol

[@lin3backer]

real shit

[@rentslave]

They emigrated to the USA and became Democratic election workers.

[@Russianhools1]

America really lost here. I mean, everything was fair play, so Soviet Union deserved this medal. Don't cry, americans:)

[@borjiginhuborjigin2453]

they think they are the only one who can comment

[@nsms1297]

@@borjiginhuborjigin2453 you replied him after 7 years 🤦‍♀️

[@fingolfirn8189]

@@nsms1297 but is still The true

[@jacobwest4771]

More BS Russian propaganda.

[@SA-5247]

No one deserves anything if you can’t finish

[@lennyeff8808]

Damn Russian twitter bots meddling in the Olympics

[@ВладимирПрисняк]

Fuck you bitch

[@phillipmain9144]

Alex lol no one can blow us to bits they’d get their ass whooped trying! USSR was a bunch of pussies

[@scooteragnew9248]

@@phillipmain9144 piece of shit Soviet Union doesn't even exist anymore...buh bye. Good riddance

[@johnburns4017]

@@phillipmain9144 Amazing. Did the Soviet players eat American babies as well?

[@juanlandau361]

@@phillipmain9144 such a pathetic sore looser you are! Unbelievable!

[@dunnodunno6127]

And then The war started between USSR AND USA HI FROM KAZAKHSTAN

[@Tony-je8fs]

Not then but after wwii

[@mikeco7312]

This 1972 Munich Olympics basketball finals between the USA and USSR is reminiscent of the 2020 US presidential election.

[@bluejay7232]

Congratulations, Mother Russia! 🇷🇺

[@bluejay7232]

@Itis Me And the US doesn't use force, intimidation and deceit to reach its end? Talking about HYPOCRISY! Cry all you want MURICAN LOSER. The result of this game will NEVER change! Russia got the GOLD. Bye, baby! 😘 Long live Mother Russia. Love from the Philippines ❤

[@bluejay7232]

@Itis Me Still doping? In your dreams! Are we going to pretend the US isn't cheating in any sports? Lance Armstrong, Carl Lewis, to name a few are highly documented cases of American DOPING! Talking about HYPOCRISY! You're just good at hiding it! Lance Armstrong won championships FOR YEARS without being noticed and the American public hailed him as a hero. LOL! 🤣🤣🤣 Shithole countries? When I was in San Francisco, I was shocked at the BLATANT POVERTY! Homeless people in every street. They use drugs, attack bystanders and DEFECATE shamelessly! Again DEFECATE shamelessly in the streets!!! Where in the DEVELOPED WORLD does that happen? #OnlyInAmerica Watch your SHITHOLE country fall: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnyml6hqiq-En7M kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4TaaGyvh9N3jNU kzbin.info/www/bejne/opWZooyAmpmjiNU And by the way, how are transgender women competing in female sports doing? Are you safe in your shoot-all-you-can country? I hope you don't get shot at the next mass shootings. How's your interference going in the Middle East? I really love MURICA! The land of transgenders, hypocrites and racists! ❤

[@bluejay7232]

@Itis Me "You Ruskies"? I'm not Russian, DUMB Murican! And you wanna bash the Philippines? I couldn't care less because I don't live there anymore. I'm here in Mother Russia, the country that is a thorn in Murica's eyes because you can't handle it. You thought after the Cold War, things would change and you would rule the world. Ha! You're just mad that you can't manipulate Russia the way you do with other countries. Russia is ITS OWN BOSS. That's why I love Putin because he's not a SISSY unlike the SPINELESS leaders of the EU, who are LITERALLY your slaves. Russia, on the other hand, doesn't need a union. It's self-sufficient. And in Russia, there are no problems of MASS SHOOTINGS or TRANSGENDER WOMEN competing in female sports or WHITE SUPREMACISTS (KKK), which you LOVE in Murica!

[@bluejay7232]

@Itis Me Impoverished MY ASS! 5th largest economy in Europe, 11th largest in the world DESPITE ECONOMIC SANCTIONS and without a strong ECONOMIC UNION! In your face! And mind you, prices in Russia are way lower than in other parts of Europe and even in America that a 100usd bill will go VERY FAR! Electricity is DIRT CHEAP, so is oil and gas, you IDIOT! Even my American colleague can attest to that! If Murica was so great, then why are my American colleagues here and millions more of other foreign nationalities living here if it was so bad? LOL! MURICAN PROPAGANDA poisoned your feeble mind. I'm not surprised because Muricans are actually known in the world as DUMB and FAT! 🤣🤣🤣

[@bluejay7232]

@Itis Me You are a LOSER MURICAN, RUSSOPHOBE poisoned by your own BIASED, NO-CREDIBILITY media! A LIBTARD who doesn't have his own convictions and is dependent on your pathetic media! Let's talk about Murican DOPING again and how SHITTY your SHITHOLE country is! 🤣🤣🤣

[@-artes-2841]

Фильм "Движение вверх" отлично поставили. Кузница талантов раньше работала здоровски. Жаль, что я родился в последние годы существования великой страны. Браво СССР!

[@an0nym0us8c]

RIP Aleksandar Belov

[@roberteugene7295]

Yes, dying at 26 shouldn't happen. Not to an athletic young man. Would have been interesting if he'd gone on to coach a team.

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

Love you forever, older brother CCCP!!! What a glorious victory. From your fellow comrades China. We will carry on your legacy. One day, I hope CCCP will reunite and be one big happy family again.

[@RidlleForest]

Не, спасибо. Нам нормуль и с капитализмом. )

[@teachone2261]

Fuck commie atheistic scum totalitarian regimes led by depots ! Stay in Russia w joy the cold and long bread lines ….that’s why all you refugees want to come to the west

[@syphorx7]

Love it. No manner how many times I see it it never gets old.

[@chicken_953]

Even knowing it was a screw up with the officials

[@southpakrules]

@@chicken_953 More so.

[@ronpetrovich9387]

Team USA won the gold.

[@itsve8632]

@@ronpetrovich9387 but they didnt

[@ronpetrovich9387]

@@itsve8632 yes they did the Russians missed the shot and they were given another shot after the missed shot. Since when do you get a second shot after you missed the final shot and the clock was at zero?

[@laspigroup2974]

USSR team was the best of course. All during play soviet players teached american friends how to play basketball. And last 3 second as diamond point.

[@dwrussell96]

Lol so please explain why the USA has won more basketball gold medals than any country, and beating USSR in four of the finals?

[@targCA]

You do realize USA was so good they banned us from using NBA players in the olympics but no other country? Shut the fuck up lol

[@ScaniaFung]

I come here after I watch Движение вверх, I'm from China, forever CCCP

[@ВалерияКой-л1у]

Say something on Chinese

[@SA-5247]

Taiwan numba 1

[@bill5048]

@@SA-5247 you have no face.YOU KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.

[@phillipmain9144]

Say I support cheating dopers in Chinese

[@bill5048]

@@phillipmain9144 Kiss my Chinese ass. America just did a great job. Government doesn't care people died or not. Rich people only care about their money.Over 1million confiirmed cases. OMFG great job. Trump drives America crazy again!

[@wearethebroncos07]

You are right man. I shouldn't be wishing or saying this kind of stuff. My bad. I do think the US was right to not accept the silver medal because they did get robbed.

[@noname8791]

if I was one of the USA players I'd be on the ground crying

[@ShroomsInLocker]

Yeah yeah we know you hate America, get a grip for goodness sakes.

[@deinemom1953]

@@phillipmain9144 How can you be this mad anout something like this lmao

[@mrrolight]

@@phillipmain9144 The Soviets called a Time Out prior to the Collins free throws, electing to have the Time Out between the two throws. This was totally legit. Except the referee fucked up and the allowed the second free throw when there should have been the Russian Time Out (which was the reason for the horn just as Collins was about to take his second throw). So..... what should have happened is the score remained at 49-49 (The USA never officially reached 50 points), the Russian Time Out taken place, then the second free throw followed immediately by the remaining 3 seconds. Clearly the disallowing of a Russian Time Out was wrong and the game should have been brought back, not however to the inbound as happened, but prior to the second free throw with the scores level. Even with both playing sides accepting the point at which to resume play, the second inbound recommencement was also not legitimate because the official clock was not reset to 3 seconds and the timekeeper was not keeping time. The scoreboard was reading 50 seconds. All things need to be in place for play to be officially under way. They weren't. So the play, rightly, had to be brought back again. The 3rd inbound was also not strictly legitimate, because the USA should have been made to retake the second free throw with the scores level. However, the mistake of awarding the USA a 1-point advantage had been made and accepted by both playing sides. In the event, this 'unfair' victory did not take place since the Russians overturned the score in the 3 seconds that were recognised by all official parties necessary for official play to occur. Whatever should have happened, there is no case for the USA to claim victory since they never actually took the lead barring through a mistake by officials. So who exactly was cheating here? The best that can be said is that officially, barring errors, the scores were tied 49-49 with a free throw and 3 seconds unplayed. As it happens, an illegitimate free throw and 3 seconds that all parties agreed to play were played and the results were the reversal of a USA 1-point advantage. Sometimes things like this happen in sport. To not turn up for your silver medal because for only one brief moment in the game you happened to be in the lead because a referee made the mistake of allowing a free throw during a Time Out, was rather petulant. On a further point, your Lance Armstrong and the US Postal Service Team basically rendered 7 years of the Tour de France redundant, and laid waste all the time and money invested by fans. So you are part of "a shitty country like this" - but don't acknowledge it then you won't have to kill yourself - that is if you are a man of your word, which, coming from such a shitty country rife with bullshit, I rather doubt.

[@phillipmain9144]

mrrolight dude no lmao no way they had no timeouts left and it would have been a turnover. Then they threw the ball in and time ran out therefore the US won. Then the officials gave them another shot and that’s when they won! It was bullshit and you are a fucking idiot

[@bot1ch]

@@phillipmain9144 haha US got rekt, cry is free haha

[@stikndip]

Try as I might, I cannot find this on any of the 'Top 10 funniest premature celebrations' videos posted by Americans all over KZbin. It should surely be number one!

[@IncredibleStan]

Am I the only person trying to figure out where these additional 3 seconds just magically came from??

[@detailandia2122]

Yes, you are the only one, because everybody know it, usa looooose yeah

[@danieliusb8837]

They wanted to take the time out when it was 3 sec, but cuz of Technichal difficulties they couldn't, so they replayed the one second which they lost, but they had to replay the 3 seconds and Soviets deserved the win cuz they played it not as dirty as US and they won

[@phillipmain9144]

Danielius Botvich no lmao the soviets had no timeouts and it should have been a turnover and then didn’t score on a throw in and was given another chance to finally score. Cheated and you know it the soviets are sore losers and have to cheat to win! Why do you think the olympics won’t allow Russia to represent their country??? Bc they cheated and was caught through investigation. I respect Nazi germany more than I do the shitty asa soviet fuckwads who fell apart in the early 90’s trying to compete in an arms race with the true US super power of the world. Russia is absolute shit

[@Val_Nikon]

@@phillipmain9144 lmao someone's salty that they lost🤣

[@phillipmain9144]

Val Nikonov lmao they didn’t lose jackass. Only a sore loser piece of shit would call that a win! The refs gave it to the soviets. It’s there in plain sight dummy

[@_frank3]

Pure GOLD today in Rio!!!

[@aleksandarveliki-r5j]

Only Serbia (Yugoslavia) and Russia can realistically beat the regular Americans.... Long live Russia and Serbia 🇷🇸 🇷🇺

[@ilia-ramasile-mond_mujavel1022]

Вершина судейского профессионализма !!!

[@Славяне-д2ж]

Ну вообще то наоборот. Они сначала не заметили призыв о тайм-аут е, а потом второй раз промахнулись, забыв (мб умышленно) поставить на табло 3 секунды вместо 1.

[@gunterodim1535]

2 ошибки на одном месте сделали. Ппц

[@greenwolfegreen6028]

If the game officials fail to do their job and one or the other team is unfairly victimized by their incompetence, then the victimized team is under no obligation to accept the result of the athletic contest. This rule is called, " The Universal Rule of Justice and Fair Play. "

[@CakesTv1337]

I just watched The Sandlot, cut me a break

[@staringatthesun861]

The Soviets got 3 chances to inbound the ball and win the game. 3. How many times have you ever seen this in another basketball game? In my nearly 20 years of watching basketball, I can't recall ever seeing it. Much less in a gold medal match. The schadenfreude against the USA in this comment section is ironic. It reeks of the same bitterness you accuse the USA of having.

[@lukebickner6013]

deal with it. USSR won.

[@gabrielmoore1894]

I know fuck all about basketball but that's so rigged, that's so unfair

[@craxnor]

They broke the rules, got a foul, had a rigged judge system. That;s how they won.

[@ginzod]

Yes the USSR won. If that's the only way they could have won......by keep adding seconds to the clock? Look, that isn't basketball....I don't what that is..........I wouldn't want to win like that.....If the Soviets can take the gold medal with a clear conscience for a win of that nature........they can have it.

[@emmanueldunk8290]

America can't win all the time so get over it.

[@ginzod]

Well let me ask you this......I mean 3 inbound passes (chanced) for the last three seconds? I mean....ok I get the 2 sides to every story and I can see the refs point........I want to know where 2 extra seconds came from when there was one second left after the free throws. The second time I get it......but you can't keep adding seconds and offensive possessions until they team you want to win wins. The Soviets played a great game as did the USA and only one team can win. Maybe they should have called it a draw and give both teams gold medals If it were the other way around I'd like to see what the Soviets would say.....if the USA won the game like that against them. I could hear it now.....the "cheating capitalistic american's" ...Right? You would never hear the end of it.

[@jackhandy00]

@polyrider81 I'm not an international basketball rules expert... but its a technical foul to call a time out when you have none left as was the case here. So the US would have got a freethrow(and possesion? depending on the rules at that time) if the refs had seen the coach calling a time out. If they did not see a time out being called why did they stop the play at half court and put 3 seconds back without calling an infraction?

[@NickGalisArchive]

Hello my friend, and congratulations for your channel! I would like to ask you, do you have the game Greece-USSR 80-120 for the qualifications tournament for the Olympics 1984? (Preolympico 1984)?

[@737tech]

A new movie is just out now about this.. In Russia.. How can I watch it here...?

[@marioDB300]

There is no reason for the hate, just love history

[@rentslave]

I'm surprised that the Soviet Union wasn't awarded 81 million points.

[@woutakasinistra]

Doug is such a warrior!

[@familygash7500]

Wow, so this must have been that Munich Massacre that everyone was talking about.

[@ArtyZiFFGaming]

Who watched this because they just listened to Jalen and Jacoby?

[@joetuss4926]

Me lol

[@jasonjefferson4459]

Me too

[@dygg1587]

me lol

[@ElEcodelTren]

pff!!! YOU SHOULDN'T BE HERE!

[@Ottos_ScLm_Race_videos_2009_on]

Doug Collins on Fehert on the golf channel.

[@syphorx7]

I'll always enjoy this.

[@osamabinladen824]

Me too

[@staringatthesun861]

That's some high quality schadenfreude right there. The question is, how big a failure are you, to take this much joy from someone else's fail?

[@themi6sportsnetwork171]

I'll always enjoy Team USA's 9 gold medals after this 😉

[@secundus6457]

@@themi6sportsnetwork171 Glad you are still crying😄😄🤣

[@onetruehitman7623]

@@secundus6457 Yeah yeah be happy that you had to have either terrible referrees or cheat in order to beat our college kids🤣

[@ultimatum4999]

watching it from Mongolia. Long live Russia. Просто молодцы ура ура ура

[@dhnekdfk]

Это бессмертные моменты!!!!!

[@RGNRK-rm1eq]

indeed they are

[@sirbungleman]

There's an explanation as to what happened on wiki. quite an interesting read. Those last 3 seconds were insane, for sure... once you read exactly what was going on behind the scenes, you understand the evolution of the chaos..

[@ericaferro4450]

All I needed to see was the referee waving his arms and telling the Russians to hurry up and inbound after Collins made the free throws. The referee isn’t suppose to direct the action. Corruption at its finest.

[@joachimmorales9351]

Of course it's dramatic. Until they replayed the ending 3 times until the ussr won. I'm not even American and I'm pissed

[@caiofialdini8004]

you don't even play baskebal, stop complaining and try to understand what happend.

[@caiofialdini8004]

I recommend you to watch this movie Going vertical.

[@joachimmorales9351]

@@caiofialdini8004 lmao shut up bro either you're Russian or being held against your will by putin lol

[@HappyLummox]

@catrachocolo, Incorrect. If the US players had guarded correctly then there would have been another magic 3 seconds added, and so on, until eventually the time would run out with the USSR winning.

[@adamage1766]

If you watch the ref was not allowing the American to guard the guy throwing the ball in court. As the American tries to cover him the ref tells him to back up and allowed the Russian to throw the long pass uncovered. Also, under the hoop the Russian pushed the American to the ground. This video left out a lot. It doesn't matter to me either way but I saw a documentary that showed the way America was cheated. Just like the extra 3 seconds added and the ball going back to Russia after the first hail marry miss

[@DavidGee51]

Lost in all this is what an INCREDIBLE play by the Russians. Imagine if that had happened on the first attempt. It's just too bad that this game was ruined and the Russians aren't even getting the credit they deserve just for taking the US team down to the wire.

[@abweezy0]

fuck Russia the clearly cheated

[@DavidGee51]

How did Russia cheat? The refs weren't Russian. And congratulations on your upcoming 13th birthday. Hope your balls drop for this one.

[@antlerman1357]

No timeouts and somehow the coach gets to talk over a play with the players and stop the clock? Where did the Russians get a 2nd opportunity to score? I don't see anything wrong with the 1st attempt; that attempt looked pretty clean to me. Why would it be Russians ball after that 1st attempt anyway? Why did they ring the horn during Doug Collins's second free throw? i don't see how you could deny some form of cheating that went on in that ball game

[@abweezy0]

David Gee kiss the usa ass you hater

[@DavidGee51]

I live in Orange County, CA. I grew up in Seattle. I was a US Marine and I was in the Persian Gulf War. I've done a lot more for this country than you ever will. You're too lazy to even use proper grammar. Why don't YOU kiss MY ass.

[@themaninthetower7142]

USSR 💪💪💪

[@TheNef77]

@slimdavy5 Since when was dusted mean that you win by BS calls?

[@TankMarst]

"Name one sports team that has suffered the most." Me: Russia in the Olympics

[@noname-pk6ez]

Italy and spain at wc 02'

[@Ikjunh232]

It’s USSR, not Russia

[@JulioLeonFandinho]

@@noname-pk6ez USSR was robbed in the 1982 wc against Brazil... maybe even worst than Italy and Spain in 2002, imagine how bad it was that game. The thing is that the president of the FIFA in 1982 was a brazilian. Fortunately, Italy put that overrated as hell brazilian team in its place later

[@patrickfurlong9169]

Collins free throws were the most clutch in basketball history.

[@Fantomas24ARM]

USSR>USA

[@BobPapadopoulos]

...and yet there is no such thing as the USSR.

[@lilmamaxyungpapa]

@@BobPapadopoulos UNION OF THE SOVIET SOCIALISTIC REPUBLICS IS ALIVE IN OUR HEARTS

[@johndemint5469]

Sure. That's why the USSR doesn't exist.

[@cxarhomell5867]

that makes no sense@@johndemint5469

[@BobPapadopoulos]

@@cxarhomell5867 Makes perfect sense. Can you show me the USSR on a map? No... because there isn't one.

[@sergey3746]

We won, you lost. End of story

[@patrickgray5633]

1980 Lake Placid

[@kingfish4242]

WE were fucked and you know it

[@greviwinner]

el mejor momento del basket de la historia, este periodo con lagrimas en los ojos sera el mas apasionante recordado por la humanidad!!

[@andremourapassos319]

O maior assalto da história do basquete

[@greviwinner]

@Carlos Correa Claro cuantos murieron, en fin las teorías inhumanas propias de los reaccionarios, Bellísimo!

[@Baccanaso]

El 92 dream team tiene mejores momentos, y eso es sin contar todos los momentos de la nba.

[@sa-uz8xv]

wow, great win for the Soviets

[@kevinluna2088]

Except for the fact that they didn't win, at least not according to the actual rules at the time.

[@ColtsBlazers]

Not at all. The soviets were handed that game

[@kempessfa1946]

Austin Moe Sore loser

[@kevinluna2088]

Kempes SFA How can someone be a sore loser if their team wins the game?

[@kempessfa1946]

Kevin Luna Sophisms

[@Chevan2008]

невероятно. Такой облом бедным янки!!! Неужели были ТАКИЕ времена. Хочу туда...

[@ЮрийБулатов-к6п]

там бы ты об этом прочитал из газет разве что, потому что у тебя даже телика не было бы )

[@Z4K97B]

@@ЮрийБулатов-к6п в 72 почти в каждом доме были

[@ДанилМуромец-п1ь]

Эмм, и бабушка и дедушка смотрели в прямом эфире. Поменьше ешь дерьма молодой человек)

[@sivret20]

The thing everyone forgets is how the ref told the American to back off at the end. Had he actually been defending the pass, they wouldn't have been able to get the ball down the court. When has any ref, EVER, told a player to back off of the inbounds pass?

[@ericaferro4450]

It was the same ref that was waving his arms telling Russia to hurry up and inbound after Collins made the free throws at the end. It was complete corruption.

[@paulchristopher8634]

I am not an American nor am I Russian, but this match was fixed. Where are they getting this additional time from

[@stephenschmidt8440]

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but had the USA been allowed to send their professional players to play in this game like the USSR team had, this would have been a 50 point blowout. The best professionals the USSR had to offer against a collection of college kids which didn't even include the MVP Bill Walton, or any of the great UCLA players who had just won their sixth consecutive championship, and the best the USSR could do was to win by one point and it took THREE chances to try at that last play? Yeah….anyone who thinks the USSR actually had the best basketball team in the world in 1972 is in dreamland!

[@nakalembevivian5216]

SORE LOSER

[@hallina]

shamefull winners

[@nakalembevivian5216]

that is right, key word is "winners"

[@stephenschmidt8440]

Nakalembe Vivian Lame. Winners because just how many chances were the referees going to give the Soviet players? Apparently as many as it took. When the French judge in the 2002 Olympics was discovered to have been corrupt, an overturning of the silver medal for the skater who was screwed is what took place. Under the political climate of 1972, there is no way that was going to happen.

[@nakalembevivian5216]

Fine, the US won

[@LeanMrfuzzles]

I really hope FIBA and the IOC overturn the result of this game. It’s such a black Mark on Olympic basketball.

[@Val_Nikon]

Sour losers

[@Val_Nikon]

@@barackojamba it was, and russia still managed to pull it off🤣

[@roberteugene7295]

@@Val_Nikon Only because of illegal interference of FIBA Secretary General Renato William Jones. He ordered the officials to take actions in direct violation of rules he swore to uphold.

[@mayena]

Is this from a Dutch television documentary?.

[@CLu-uw7uv]

Just saw the 2017 Russian sports drama film "Three seconds" (also known as "Going Vertical") in the small theater in my apartment complex on October 3, 2020. I have known the story since 1972, but didn't know that Team USA lagged behind throughout the match.

[@ronpetrovich9387]

Team USA WON THE GOLD. RUSSIA MISSED THE SHOT.

[@CLu-uw7uv]

@@ronpetrovich9387 What are you talking about ?

[@ronpetrovich9387]

@@CLu-uw7uv team USA beat the Russian basketball team in 72 Olympics but the refs gave Russia another shot after they missed and time ran out.

[@CLu-uw7uv]

@@ronpetrovich9387 Well, the Russians got the medal. That's a fact.

[@roberteugene7295]

@@CLu-uw7uv Correction: they were *GIVEN* gold medals. They didn't win them.

[@MaximosKouzalis]

Who came here after watching “3 seconds”

[@tobalaba]

i did

[@michaelshuff2774]

Is this a documentary??

[@kajmak64bit76]

@@michaelshuff2774 a really fckin good movie... not really a documentary just a movie based on real stuff xd

[@michaelshuff2774]

@@kajmak64bit76 interesting either way. Thank you!

[@kajmak64bit76]

@@michaelshuff2774 damn that was fast answer... you should watch the movie its really fcking awesome

[@SandyKH]

The last 3 seconds of this game will go down in history, and that is because it is inexplicable. My issue is that Americans (and I am one) often say the Russians cheated, and that I simply can not see. The referees clearly had no clue as to who was calling the shots here. The Russians merely played good basketball. And if the game was lost in the last 3 seconds, than the Americans had not played their best. If you watch the entire game we lost in the first half. We missed way more free throws than we made, and honestly, I've never seen Americans play so poorly. Did they throw the game? There is truly corruption involved here. It's too easy to say that the Russians cheated.

[@Boof37]

You clearly have no idea how basketball works then. Glad to see you're American though!

[@SandyKH]

+Ben Salman We used the wrong strategy. We could have easily out run them. But, instead, we let the Russians dominate from the fist bucket. You can't miss free throws and make double the turnovers as your opponents and win a gold medal at the Olympics. Do the math. It's as simple as that. I hate cheating of any kind. But what kind of coach doesn't change his strategy when he sees it isn't working?

[@roberteugene7295]

+Sandra Kaye Hansen "According to FIBA rules, the United States won." Renato Rhigetti, referee, 1972 Olympic gold medal game (from Brazil). What Rhigetti was referring to is the confusion that came with the last seconds. Notice, the horn sounds as Doug Collins is preparing to shoot. The official scorer (Hans Tenschert of West Germany) said the table sounded the horn as soon as the Soviets requested a timeout. Under the rules, once Collins was handed the ball, no timeout request could be honored. What then happened was that the Soviets had to run whatever play they could with whatever players were on the floor. The Soviets inbounded the ball after Collins sank his second foul shot, dribbling to half court, where the Soviets' bench eruption caused the referee (Rhigetti) to stop play. When asked by Rhigetti, Tenschert informed Rhigetti that "one second remained." Rhigetti's ruling was that the Soviets inbound the ball where play stopped with one second left. This, however, is not what happened. In violation of FIBA rules (which gave on court officials absolute authority over a game in progress), FIBA secretary general R. William Jones ordered 3 seconds put on the clock. As he ruled FIBA with an iron fist, nobody dared challenge him. Nobody at the time noticed, but the scorekeeper's book noted no timeout, but the Soviets sneaked in a substitute: Ivan Edeschko. His job was to pass the ball the length of the court to Aleksandr Belov, and Edeschko was the Soviets' best player for this. Andre Chopard, the Longines technician running the clock, says Jones ordered him to reset the clock to 3 seconds, an act so unprecedented that the clock wasn't designed for it, and had to be reset at 1:01 and run down. At :50, the officials started play, which was captured on TV, a badly failed wild shot caused by US center Tom McMillen's aggressive guarding of Edeschko. Jones ordered the game to resume once again at 3 seconds because of the clock issue. Mind you, Jones is violating FIBA's rules in doing this. The third try by the Soviets is the attempt that officially appears in the record, despite the many rules violations.

[@SandyKH]

+Robert Eugene My contention is that the problem was Jones. He had no business doing what he did, and he should have known the rules better than anyone. If the Russians added a sub, that too should have been corrected by the officials, a technical given or something, but be that as it may, Refs make errors also at the Olympics. My problem is with Jones. He started the whole contraversy.

[@roberteugene7295]

+Sandra Kaye Hansen My apologies. It wasn't clear to me in your prior comments. I had the opposite impression. Thank you for clarifying that.

[@emilbya]

the fact that it still hits different... crazy and flawless at the same time

[@andrejbjorn]

All I can say is.. Wow!

[@oneputtsteven]

The Soviet player who inbounds the ball on the phoney "final play" lands with his foot inbounds, another violation missed by these incompetent refs.

[@theDreamyCat1]

you can’t even sub during the kind of dead ball they had

[@elboertjie]

Even as an layman such as me, who knows very little about basketball, that last few seconds of calling time-outs looks very suspicious. Perhaps in those days the rules allowed for that and since that incident, they have modified the rules to avoid such occurrences from happening again. I also notice that they have a score of 50 points and to me this looks to be quite low by today's standards, unless of course it is due to two strong teams playing each other that the scores are lower, or?

[@tykemorris]

The timeout was called with one second left. There is no justification for adding time back. The score was normal. Only a 40 minute game, no 3 point line, no NBA players.

[@sebastijankalafatic6379]

What's the name of film made from this game?

[@lukasfontana7589]

"Going Vertical" (Движение вверх), also known as Three Seconds.

[@Djstecca]

Ahhhh, the good old days, when we were enemies & happy!!!

[@daveisdragon]

@1Bolivia1 ?? What does that mean?

[@davidarni1000]

Its 2015 now this game was 1972, and people are still bitching about this game. Russia won get over it.

[@Ryan-xe8ud]

+Davíð Árni Guðmundsson they cheated twice I bet they black mailed the ref. on their families lives !!!!

[@prop8604]

+Ryan Freeman no, they are not us americans.

[@Ryan-xe8ud]

Wtf ?

[@cooliegee]

+zhilwe , however true that may be we're talking about the 1972 OLYMPIC BASKETBALL TEAM! NOT 1988!

[@averagehunter2237]

+Coolie Gee yeah but still that game was horseshit and the game ending probably had the worst refs ever. I mean, the time was reset three times😂 I mean come on. The ref was probably Russian

[@rmarket3778]

*So now we have a film about this*

[@Leading23]

Красота. Можно бесконечно смотреть на три вещи - как горит огонь, как течет вода и как советские парни проводят по губам американцам в этом матче))

[@stanborsh869]

Tochna!

[@ЮрийБулатов-к6п]

правда жаль, что в остальных 80% всех олимпийских игр по баскетболу выигрывали и продолжают выигрывать американцы. наши с 88 года не были победителями.

[@ЮрийБулатов-к6п]

что значит "ваши"? победа была всего СССР. и литовцев и украинцев и грузин и русских. общая.

[@secundus6457]

Soviet "Miracle on Ice". Legendary victory.

[@roberteugene7295]

Legendary travesty. Made possible only by multiple rules violations by Renato William Jones, Secretary General of FIBA. But for his interference, the United States would have won. There would have been no (illegal) substitution of Edeschko for Zarmukamedov, and no final attempt.

[@Andrey_Gorbatok]

@@roberteugene7295 I will quote his phrase from a Russian film on this event: "Basketball is a gentlemen's sport." )) P.S. By the way, the film is half shit, half a masterpiece. Because the preparation for the Olympics is disgusting. The Olympics itself is not badly shown. But this very match is superbly done.

[@roberteugene7295]

@@Andrey_Gorbatok My apologies, old boy, but I wouldn't term the actions of the Soviet team nor Renato William Jones "gentlemanly." Soviet players attempted to injure American players (Jim Brewer and Doug Collins are prominent examples), knowingly illegally substituted Edeschko during the stoppage, and the illegal interference by Jones can't be called gentlemanly by any stretch of the imagination.

[@Andrey_Gorbatok]

@@roberteugene7295 So you don’t understand, I was ironic about Renato William Jones. Even in the movie about this event, it looked so unfair that it was fucking funny to look at it. Another funny thing is that in the film it turned out that three Soviet basketball players were unfit to play. Sergey Belov has a knee injury. Alexander Belov had some kind of asthma-like illness. (In fact, it was angiosarcoma of the heart). And Alzhan Zharmukhamedov was short-sighted in general. And I do not know how they really were. But according to the version of this film, the USSR national basketball team with three disabled members was able to ILLEGALLY perform a miracle by defeating the US national team. And all this in order for the coach to be able to heal his disabled son. Seriously, this movie is going to blow your mind more than the match itself.

[@roberteugene7295]

@@Andrey_Gorbatok In that case, my apologies again. No, I didn't understand your intent with the phrase.

[@michaeloshea2898]

See how amercia played so dirty when there losing we won they didnt

[@oscarsoda4720]

@Alfa&Omega 00000 assuming you are talking about the old game of the ussr against Canada, the Canadian team was dirtier than you after covering yourself with shit

[@ChopToTheSuey]

And guess what? Nobody cares anymore. USA has the best basketball players in the world and we dominate every other country every Olympics LOL

[@ShroomsInLocker]

@gerry findon Get over it big guy, no need to be butt hurt about a game.

[@ggbooliano]

gerry findon you literally lost you stupid fuck

[@Shatamx]

Lmao did you not watch Canada get carved like turkeys during the 1972 summit series vs the Sweds? (They played two expedition games after game 4 vs Russia) My point being everyone was dirty when losing. Canada players lost teeth from high sticks.

[@nikita7935]

That's right, but USSR were first who flew in space.Your life is better, but American people, boy, girl, isn't a nationality, You're natives of other countries. There aren't bad nationalities, there are bad people in every nationality though (I hope You understood cause my English bad).

[@dimercenary3090]

The US was pissed because there were multiple violations of FIBA regulations that went in favor of the Soviets specifically that a game cannot go over 40 minutes in regulation, which the three seconds added by Renato Williams Jones violated. There was also

[@nakalembevivian5216]

hmm, SORE LOSER

[@futchiman]

What documentary s this from?

[@eliasrainer4430]

That match was over forty five years ago and yet there are still Americans who can't get over their loss. Talk about pathetic.

[@marcel84marcel]

We NEVER forget those who wronged us!

[@K20EF8]

Im not American but they were cheated out of a Gold medal. Your a pathetic loser.

[@tykemorris]

It isn't as if I worry about it every day. The fact is that it was cheating. Get over it.

[@davidmay4612]

If I'm understand this correctly, It sounds like there was no time outs left which means the ref's should of ignored the request. Also why was there another 3 seconds after the second go around? Anyone clear this up?!?

[@sethmachakos9926]

+David May I have no idea..

[@lukedetering4490]

4:00 the time keeper put 50 secounds instead of 3 secounds in the timer. Thus leading to a force's replay, Even though it was clearly more than a 3 secound play.

[@BobPapadopoulos]

If at first you don't succeed.. just have the refs throw more time on the clock.

[@nikitaglushkov8473]

I think what you mean to say is that if the refs fuck up the time keeping, make sure that they get it fucking right right on the spot. Subtle difference, hopefully you figure it out.

[@tykemorris]

Correct. The Soviets inbounded the ball so they had no intention of calling timeout. They tried to score but called timeout with one second left. There is no excuse for giving them more time. On the second attempt the buzzer went off as soon as the Russian touched the ball because the clock wasn't reset, but they did use up 3 seconds.

[@DontSurf030981]

One of the greatest plays ever , reminds me of the Laettner shot , time to give Aleksander Belov the respect he deserves , unbiased greetings from Belgium

[@metallicaben_1642]

Same I am belgian and the Russian Victory is just

[@JurgenKrace]

Germans felt the same in 1945 :-)

[@SwaggerNauts365]

Jürgen Kraise Yeah and the soviets felt like this in 1991 on the way out 😉 You’re welcome. Stars n Stripes forever fucker 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@anoyy-_-7541]

@@SwaggerNauts365 dude youre a nazi asf

[@exkalidu5209]

@@SwaggerNauts365 the american soldiers felt the power of the vietnamese farmers with AK47.

[@ursoj1235]

@@exkalidu5209 No we really didn't considering we decimated their entire army. We withdrew because of politics. Sure, we lost, however we didn't lose to shitty lend leased farmer AK's.

[@powerslave7876]

@@exkalidu5209 AK 47s and sticks*

[@johnosborne7708]

This was back when the NBA players weren't allowed to play. If the NBA guys were allowed to play the US team would have scored more than 200 points.

[@bus114]

Wow, I remembered Collins' free throws, but didn't remember he stole the ball with seconds left. Anyway, I'm proud of the team for refusing the silver medals. If I had been in their place, I would have bought a nice frame and hung it on the wall, empty, and told people it was for the Olympic gold medal that was owed me.

[@Val_Nikon]

Well someone's salty🤣

[@onetruehitman7623]

@@Val_Nikon They have a right to. The USSR had to have terrible referees to win the game to beat the college kids. Don’t understand how the victory can be celebrated knowing that the NBA players like Kareem Abdul Jabar would have destroyed the USSR even if they gave the USSR 30 points before the game started🤷‍♂️

[@Val_Nikon]

@@onetruehitman7623 lmao keep whining. Americans can't take an L.😂

[@onetruehitman7623]

@@Val_Nikon You know what I said is true though 😉 since you didn’t come up with a rebuttal Edit: Literally no one says we won in 1988 and 2004 so yes we can take an L lol what are you going on about.

[@Val_Nikon]

@@onetruehitman7623 lol no rebuttal cause I don't need one lmao

[@BearVodkaBalalayka]

Wrongly blamed USSR in cheating, becouse i'ts mistake scorer's table (not given timeout right away and timekeeper mistake). Also wrong to say that these mistakes have helped the Soviet Union win - we don't known what would have been the game, if not the judges mistakes. Just one point difference and 3 seconds is a lot in basketball. 50/50 chance. America does not agree with the result, and I understand them, but if the match does not replay then, the obvious this result will remain in history forever. People who do not agree need to accept this. Unfortunately this shit will repeated constantly in future.

[@seekeroftruth45]

refs obviously got bribed

[@BearVodkaBalalayka]

Patriots Legend And obviously you have proof?

[@seekeroftruth45]

BearVodkaBalalayka everyone except the Russians knows it.

[@BearVodkaBalalayka]

Patriots Legend As expected you have no proof. Next, please.

[@seekeroftruth45]

BearVodkaBalalayka I don't need proof. Others have it. Read the other comments best time because you would learn something.

[@elboertjie]

With such an strong and destructive emotional attitude, you're creating a path of hardship for yourself. Don't let someone else's wrong causes you to get a heart of coal, but instead, let it help you to correct any future injustices and stand up for those that are done wrong, be they one of your own or someone else.

[@BrianEthe1st]

@Dackett Do you happen to have a copy of the official rules for 1972? If there is something in the rules where calling a timeout when you don't have one results in, instead of a technical foul, you getting the timeout and two attempts to make a basket, then the Americans would be defeated.

[@loyaldude10]

@wolfe786 ---and then why did the Russians get essentially a do-over? I obviously missed something

[@detailandia2122]

Why USA can't accept they are not the best?

[@alexanderfooy723]

DeTailandia Because they generally are at basketball.

[@ShroomsInLocker]

They are the best in sports in General besides Soccer. Why can't other countries just accept facts?

[@Dimka12345]

Who is?

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

​@@ShroomsInLocker Best in sports in general besides "Soccer" (i.e., Football)? Like what? Rugby? Cricket? Table Tennis? Badminton? Hockey?

[@BagOfFun]

First off the whole decision about three extra minutes were completely wrong, and the referee can't change his decision after the end game buzzer goes off. Secondly, Soviet last play lasted a good 4 seconds from the pass 'til the shot was made. A historical video in the world of sports, thanks for the upload :)

[@metallicaben_1642]

Looool 😭😂😂😂😂😂

[@ЕМихаил]

Слава великому СССР !

[@Erni77]

💪

[@dauletdauletov9141]

Алжан Жармухамедов первый казах завоевавший золото в Олимпийских играх!!!

[@JM-_-MJ]

Should of walked off with the win when the game first ended.

[@AndroDester]

There was a problem they did give 3 sec that left they gave 1 sec because of it it was repeated and do you know how our american team played i really disgusted of that playing go watch the full match how heartless they could be

[@franciscojavierjl3683]

Wrong

[@wolfwilliams]

@jackhandy00 The culprit is R. William Jones, the FIBA basketball guru. The fault does not lie with the game referee, a Brazilian who refused to sign the score sheet because he knew what happened was all kinds of wrong. Jones admitted later that he had no in-game regulatory authority but he demanded the 3 seconds be awarded. A Russian-speaking coach, a Portuguese-speaking referee, and a German-speaking clock officials made this a cock-up waiting to happen.

[@dimonmedvedka4205]

Движение Вверх! Going Vertical!

[@sinerehber]

The refs ruled toREPLAY the inbound. They did NOT give USSR a time-out. As olympic rules only allow substitutions during time-outs: Soviets substituting the inbound passer Zharmukhamedov withe their most skilled passer Edeshko was AGAINST the rules and should have been resulted with a technical foul.

[@roberteugene7295]

Exactly. What's worse is that Edeschko never checked in with the scorer, which shows the Soviets themselves knew no timeout had been requested nor granted.

[@darkdragon7210]

@@roberteugene7295 Then shouldn't Colins have been Awarded another Two Free Throws?

[@roberteugene7295]

@darkdragon7210 The officials (specifically Artnik Arabadjian, the umpire and who handed the ball to Edeschko for inbound attempts 2 and 3, it was Alzhan Zarmalokumedov on the first) did not notice the illegal substitution, largely because Edeschko didn't check in at the scorer's table, as required. Hard to call a violation that went unnoticed.

[@ivansanchoiglesias7734]

...And justice for all

[@ivansanchoiglesias7734]

@monster huenergy find it so grim so true so real...

[@nickcromwell7795]

It's not the matter of a roster. American professional dream team of 2004: Marbury, Stephon Wade, Dwyane Boozer, Carlos Anthony, Carmelo James, LeBron Okafor, Emeka Marion, Shawn Stoudemire, Amar'e Duncan, Tim (C) Odom, Lamar won bronze at Athens. Basketball is an American sport. In all other countries it's not so wide-played completely. It's no surprise at all that USA dominates basketball that much, considering proportionally money and nation-wide effort thrown into it, and the popularity of players, of course. Roughly Every college and university has incomparable basketball funding unlike the rest of the world. No other country can match at least a quarter of it. Don't forget that nowadays dream-team members have salaries like quite optimistic budget of some African country. Guys that highly-paid are hardly the worst the nation could offer, cause it's a known secret that the best athletes go the rosiest route. In the rest of the world it's football aka soccer and hockey, not basketball. Though several countries may bring several millions to the table, those are pennies compared to the NBA. It seems quite fair North America prevails in basketball (as well as its soccer mediocrity) and that from time to time USA loses too. Or it would have been totally disastrously boring spectacle, knowing that the States are unbeatable, even for the Americans themselves.

[@Baccanaso]

But it is about the roster. The 2004 team had a much tougher competition than the 72 team. Think of it this way, the soviets had to have officials cheat in order for them to win by less than 5 points, Imagine if they had to play a team with Abdul Jabbar, dr J, Wilt, Rick Barry, Pete Mavarich, Walt Frasier. It would have been a blowout no different from what the 92 dream team did internationally.

[@rastalion3516]

To be honest, as an American historian, the USA wouldn't be here withour what Russia/Soviet Union did for US in the Russo-Japanese War, WW1, WW2 and beyond. I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you.

[@jacobwest4771]

Ah, the 1972 Olympic basketball final: the beginning of Russia's proud tradition of illegitimate Olympic victories!

[@exkalidu5209]

Salty yankee go home.

[@jacobwest4771]

@@exkalidu5209 Bugger off. Russia is a nation of cheaters and liars.

[@exkalidu5209]

@@jacobwest4771 now say that without crying😂😂😂 Cry louder

[@brandonphillips8262]

@@exkalidu5209 ROC?

[@MrIbeusefull]

If nba/aba players were allowed to play int he Olympics back then, it would have been a blowout

[@daveisdragon]

@slimdavy5 yeah, savor it. Because it rarely happens. What are you? Canadian?

[@beerozefal]

USSR! USSR! USSR!!!

[@eaglessuck8645]

Павел Мухин way to cheat

[@StephJ0seph]

Lol, what are you trying to achieve here?

[@adamage1766]

Cheer the losers all you want

[@beerozefal]

@@adamage1766 Cry, baby, cry

[@plcustodian]

William R. Jones was also part of the blame, he really had no right to tell the officials to reset the clock, but ruled FIBA with an iron hand. I was only 12 years old at the time watching this with my brothers, and it still pisses me off to this day, the sad thing about it too was that Hank Iba was pickpocketed of $360 bucks. I will say to this very day, Mr. Jones favored the commmunists, and if anyone wants to dispute this with me COME ON AND TRY!!!!!

[@FutureCivilWarHero]

10 years later and it's still crickets.