VETERAN PATTON UNBOXING - GIRTHY!

[@tomallo99]

Huge plus for your calculations regarding the maximum charging currents for battery longevity, thanks for that

[@oldretireddude]

Looking forward to your impressions. This is the first wheel that really has got me interested in buying another wheel since 2020.

[@Mpower31]

Harder than me in the morning (jump pad) 😅 nice Adam 😄

[@TaiLegend]

I flew to the comments the very frame I heard that lmao. Hilarious 😂

[@Mpower31]

@@TaiLegend couldn't let it slide

[@RonnieRides]

Thanks for the video. OS Tilt Back % is PWM tiltback! A first on LeaperKim wheels, it's fantastic.

[@kuleabondallian2163]

now lets get a 10" rim 25kg Veteran wheel for us people that really need the practical footprint size from an EUC, but were instantly turned off by the specs of Begode's A2.

[@dirt.surfer]

I get that most riders are going to have a personal preferences for pedals, pads, seats ect. However for the price we pay for EUCs today, these companies need to do better. Adam i hear you mention BMS alot and you are correct. Begode at the very least provides pedals that many riders actually use, and it seems they are trying things with pads. Like the v13 is 6k (Canada) a brand new kawasaki ninja starts around 7100, I expect inmotion to have some e-rides ironman equivalent pedals and some proper pads, and a BMS. After you purchased pads, ferrings, pedals, you are beyond the price of a kawasaki ninja.

[@mgzus366]

also there's some other stuff needs to be mentioned. For example the price of used electro car like Nissan Leaf. Not talking about comfort, passengers you can take with. But about quality of manufacturing or amount of technologies used. Also the reliability of it is more

[@dirt.surfer]

@mgzus366 yeah exactly. I'm about done with EUCs at this time. I have a s22 and you can't go 300 km on it without something breaking, I have to listen to a popping bearing because build quality, I'm sure my board will go next at that point I'm throwing it out. S22 after fearings, pads, pedals ect. I'm sitting at around 6600 spent total. Wtf am I doing.

[@VECTOR_Coasters]

that clip of you in the elevator with like 5 wheel boxes was great lmao

[@cappiekillmore7754]

Thank you.

[@oliverer3]

I'd hazard a guess and say that the "battery over pressure alarm" is the overvoltage warning; if memory serves voltage is often miss translated to pressure from Chinese to English. I at least see it fairly often in Chinese datasheets.

[@hi--tEk]

Just ride.stop nerding 😂

[@PirateWasHere]

Some Ancient Knowledge: battery with higher discharge power like 40T like to be charge at 0.5C ( lower than this will have shorten life span ) , while high capacity like 50T like 0,25C ( above this will shorten their life span ). So yeah, basically we can fully recharge 4kWh EUC in ~4H ( if ocourse wires and BMS will handle 1.1kW xD )

[@jansvoboda9778]

About charging is not only about batery posibility is about conector too. Many conectors is on edge of heat around 6 Amps be carefull and respect manufacturer euc how many is alowed !

[@peterrusso7336]

6:32 the sniff makes it seem like you're sniffing out the tape measure 😂

[@arevee9429]

An alarm decoder! That's a good thing. And I have seen the dreaded "bt LoY" code on my Sherman Max. And it really did mean "Battery Pack Over" - it needed to be replaced to fix.

[@GranDemo2]

i feel like with those 15A max charge rate you could actually try and go make a long trip with the wheel, hmm... A couple of stops and that's it! I mean, for something like 350km or so. Not bad... Although it might not be the best for batteries xD But idk, just letting imagination fly haha Nice video Adam! ^^ Great wheel (a bit too pricy tho, but there are options out there for every pocket, so nice)

[@hi--tEk]

Your in the wrong hobby if your worried about prices mate

[@GranDemo2]

@@hi--tEk Yeah, we've been learning that trough all these years

[@A-Viking]

"..so I have more money for stupid stuff..." lol "Mr Wrongway gets more funnier with age :)

[@mr_wrongway]

I am ripening, hopefully I don’t get over ripe and decay 😂

[@nativeme2143]

"not too heavy" - no man, it's just that new bicep 😆

[@mr_wrongway]

Lol might be true. Ordered it online and the new bicep works well

[@nativeme2143]

@@mr_wrongway Haha, hope the link is in the description

[@mmakid]

cannot wait to hear your initial thoughts 😊😊😊😊😊

[@jansvoboda9778]

Os tiltback is PWM tiltback based on batery voltage like inmotion adaptive tiltback

[@mr_wrongway]

Ok awesome! I had this thought but I wasn’t sure!

[@theodoresmith3353]

Recently ordered one of these and a lectric cargo bike so i can strap this to the back of the bike. Like having a sports car in my SUV lol. Gonna have to fabricate something specifically to hold it.

[@oliverer3]

I can put into words how much I love this simile. xD

[@JohnDoe-ch6qy]

When did you and monocat broke up?

[@mr_wrongway]

End of last year

[@JohnDoe-ch6qy]

@@mr_wrongway Kind of sad. Can tell the only reason she did youtube and EUC was because of you, now she's out 😥

[@pierrelhussiez1865]

Merci ! Vivement la prochaine review

[@saltlife316]

all i want to know how does it stack up to the s22 pro for off-roading, jumps etc, can this do mike leahy sh!t?

[@oliverer3]

I've already fallen head over heels for this wheel, it basically solves all the problems with my previous wheel (on paper at least), and the biggest point in its favor, it's not made by Begode! It's also just within the price range I'm willing to stretch to even if it hurts. Just gonna have to do some strength training...

[@Blox117]

2100wh solves your problems?

[@submijiru]

@@Blox117 I have a S18, and 2kWh solves all of mine except still being broke :3

[@Blox117]

@@submijiru obviously, the s18 is slow

[@oliverer3]

@@Blox117 yes actually just needed a tiny bit more range than I had to get to anywhere I'd want on one charge and given how fast this thing can charge if need be charging while stopping for lunch wouldn't be out of the question. I just can't deal with the additional weight of a bigger battery, otherwise I'd have gotten the Sherman S.

[@Blox117]

@@oliverer3 or just have swappable batteries because the batteries are on the outside now that we've moved to suspension wheels

[@visionar007]

Where can I get the 18 amp charger?

[@mr_wrongway]

Link in description! Sorry it wasn’t there before :)

[@phyrknight]

What is a smart PMS? Great content 🤘

[@liamsykes4380]

BMS - battery management system If you want to Google it

[@mr_wrongway]

A battery management system that makes sure that all battery pack components are working as intended

[@dirt.surfer]

That's when a woman's menstrual cycle has less lashback.

[@ihuliige6776]

5A, 126V charger is already quite good.

[@mr_wrongway]

Yep! Not too bad!

[@dirt.surfer]

Yeah I use a s22 and honestly it's not bad at all.

[@esk8unity]

might be my first suspension wheel

[@tanknd804]

Heyyyy....looks like im 1st!😂 I'm glad to see that you got this to review! Been waiting to hear whT you have to sY!

[@znail4675]

Heh, I always worry when there are parts left over!

[@Warxcell]

OS tilt back maybe is PWM tiltback?

[@submijiru]

My best guess, based on the Sherman S, is this smaller battery config is 2s15s3p. [edit: It's 4P. ] And using Samsung 21700 50E cells. I believe the two temperature sensors became an absolute necessity when Veteran chose those cells. Running the 3000W motor with the cells Veteran chose is probably fine, but Samsung spec indicates 14.4A [edit: 3C is 14700mA] pulse ONLY when under 60°C. That's "only" a 5.4kW pulse for a motor that can do peak 7kW with a 8p config. [edit: It's actually 5292W@90V, 6403W@108.9V, 7408W@126V] I hope I'm either wrong about this or... [edit: I was somewhat wrong about this, but with these 50E cells this pack will still wear a lot faster]

[@oliverer3]

Doing the math gives me a peak-rated burst output of 6350W at the nominal voltage or 7408W at full charge. It's worth noting however that the max-rated non-continuous discharge current on these cells is still for many seconds (or even minutes if you happened to have active cooling). Actual pulse currents

[@submijiru]

@@oliverer3 Yeah 4p makes more sense. I didn't divide by nominal voltage and assumed it was a 3p. edit: Still, with a 3000W motor it's still pulling over 1C. Not good for these cells. Meanwhile a 50S exists and at 1.2C it's much better match for the Patton in this s30p4 configuration. (But more expensive, maybe, maaaybe, add 500 cost but probably a lot less and for a $3000 wheel I don't see why Leaperkim is cutting costs here by using the same cells.) Imo I wouldn't push this battery past 30%, store it at ~100V and put time between charging and riding as much as possible. And not fast charge ever.

[@Boolai]

Cool review!!

[@DonovanWert]

Love my Sherman S❤

[@mattca353]

I was a bit surprised by the supported charging speed. Not sure why they only set the Sherman S with a higher supported speed. You mentioned that the S can do 20 amps, without issues I guess? How many times your S has been charged at this rate? Curious to know as I am a long range rider.

[@mr_wrongway]

Yes me too! I never did this, I don’t do such big distances on one wheel daily. But maybe I’ll try to do one long distance haul to check how it works :)

[@mattca353]

@@mr_wrongway yeah, daily I dont do much, sometimes I often do 40/50km if weather is really nice. But during weekends, I sometimes make 180-240km road trips (with a few 360km trips planned this summer). With the S, I'd say 200km at 35-40kmh is the sweet spots if charging at 15 amp during snacks/pitstop, so that you dont really wait for the wheel to charge. If the Sherman S can do reliably more than 15 amps, then the range so that you dont wait for the wheel would be more.

[@EkoKolo_Katowice]

Fastest way to damage battery is overheat and supercharge . Tested on phones in hot days in car . 3-4 times with hot phone and big capacity loss .

[@Blox117]

hard to find 30s bms. 2100wh is very small for such a powerful and high speed

[@slidersgliders5516]

👍 keeping it wheel ✌️

[@freeforester1717]

03:20 - that’s what she said!😂

[@mikeswehla2709]

Upon initial impressions, Does it seem too short for seated riding?

[@mr_wrongway]

No it’s awesome for seated riding

[@dagainsta6253]

I got an issue with my veteran patton . Bought it a year ago and everything was going smooth till yesterday . After charging it didnt want to turn on . I assumed it was the cold weather of 27°F where the euc was standing on but then i brought it to where temps were @ 77°F and nothing . It is fully charged but doesnt want to turn on . I click and hold the power button and it.turns on but as soon as i let go of the power button it shuts off. If i press and hold and shows all logos on the screen then dissappear and what comes up is the sleep timer 0 icon . Anyone else experience this ??

[@dockertonfpv]

what does a smart BMS do besides tell you individual cell voltage?

[@dirt.surfer]

Manages the cell capacity and balances them accordingly

[@dockertonfpv]

@@dirt.surfer the passive balance board already does that, and how’s does one “manage” the call capacity. Is it actively balancing? Cause that’s a whole different thing.

[@dirt.surfer]

@dockertonfpv I don't believe any BMS does act8ve balancing. Would be the way though.

[@mr_wrongway]

Actual Smart BMS have active cell balancing. It’s awesome

[@dockertonfpv]

@@mr_wrongway do any wheels have this to your knowledge?

[@MarcinWiecaw]

Why does the Patton with a larger battery have a worse range on paper than the KingSong S19 with a smaller battery?

[@mr_wrongway]

That’s because it’s on paper! I’m fairly certain (yet to find out) that the Patton will have more range than s22 pro

[@hi--tEk]

Because it will be torquey and quick and built heavy and durable,unlike the disco s19

[@grzib]

Badass beard bruv

[@mr_wrongway]

Thanks dude!

[@eprohoda]

ho’s life?! buddy, like- what a perfect job- 😯

[@berataltinbas9904]

Nice wheels ❤

[@Onelastrun]

Only thing I can see that is terrible about the patton is the maintenence. And the fact that they prolly could lose 5 lbs if they found a way to use less screws. Thanks for the video

[@lap87]

How long until the Wrong Way co-developed wheel hits market? Would love to see wheels in the future being made with the same careful design and testing as cars, to force manufacturers to figure out constantly better ways to do things.

[@RajinderYadav]

do you also want government regualtion? and insurnace and license?

[@BoykoYordanov]

I’m enjoying a v8f and looking to upgrade to something with suspension. Any recommendations?

[@dirt.surfer]

Depends on what riding your after friend. Like this Patton here is really a good trail wheel, you well not have a good time at speed with a small tire, and your range won't be great but not terrible. The way this is all made you're going to have enormous torque, it will be a under 50 kph on road. If you want high quality build speed decent range v13 very heavy takes time to get used to and not very portable. S22 you well have close to same range as the Patton, you can cruise safely around 65kph. Basically almost all wheels today have suspension in them, biggest things to consider is you're use case.

[@grb1969]

The S19 should be well received.

[@dirt.surfer]

@@grb1969 are you trolling?

[@grb1969]

@@dirt.surfer I’m thinking the S19 is worth waiting for because it will attract a wider fan base. I never intend to troll, but often I’m opinionated or at worst, dismissive of poor design decisions. I find EUCs to be psychically and spiritually enriching experiences, so I advocate for consumer driven changes. I’m just curious, critical and skeptical and I’m excited to promote trends that are beneficial to the community of enthusiasts. I hope that I’m harness, so I’m open to criticism.

[@dirt.surfer]

@grb1969 Well, you should be aware that the tech specs are very poor. Kingsong advertised this as a commuter wheel, it won't be that unless your commute is 30 to 40km. This wheel doesn't fit anywhere. The entire design is bad. I pilot an s22 that suspension is really bad. Whatever Kingsong puts in it, you will replace that's a promise. That 3500 watt motor is not going to do well on 1700ish wh, and the whole disco crap they got going on well this is a toy. They have the same rim as a s18, I own a s18 that rim is terribly soft and well bend if you look at it same tire too and it's so bad. Same pedals as the s22, yep you well want to replace those too. I have spoke to a few dealers, they won't be getting these for sale because it's just bad in pretty much every way. This is kingsongs bud light moment. They yet to have a long range cruiser, this would have been a smart move, not making a poorly made toy.

[@patrykgregorczyk2748]

Siema. Jakie kolko dla poczatkujwcych s zarazem by na dluzej starczylo i cieszylo.?

[@darekmajchrzak4444]

16x

[@MarcinWiecaw]

Inmotion v11

[@HilmiR1]

KIng Song 18XL :)

[@gritred5500]

As the battery size is same as you have on the S22 (e wheels used a smaller capacity higher discharge) and riders seem to like that wheel I see no reason why this gets criticism for the battery size? Would this benefit from an even higher discharge pack.

[@oliverer3]

I think it's two-fold, people are used to Veteran wheels having the largest batteries and Leaper Kim seems to have rated the range of this wheel much closer to real-world figures combined with the slightly lower efficiency of a smaller wheel diameter means it looks worse on paper. As a comparison, the InMotion V11 is rated at 120km of range with a 1500Wh battery while the Veteran Patton with 2200Wh is rated at 130km, so if you only read the spec sheets it looks pretty bad.

[@stevenjonathantio4922]

Make some more vids with teh gotway Nikola plus please

[@mr_wrongway]

It caught fire in my friends apartment so no

[@tanknd804]

@@mr_wrongway whaaat?! I have a Nikola Plus. How did it catch fire?

[@mr_wrongway]

@@tanknd804 it was a while ago. LG M50 battery pack. Certain batches have been recalled by Ewheels. I don’t know the specific batches of bms etc but I think at least 10 or so burned down if not more

[@tanknd804]

@@mr_wrongway Damn!

[@Warxcell]

Newer batches uses LG M50LT (not M50T, notice the L), which seems are okay. I saw several V11 caught on fire, with same M50T cells.

[@HungrySpinz]

6:11 No charger on the box? Don't say those things wth! Unless they have a standard for chargers like in the UE for usb c do keep chargers in the box

[@LhunVideo]

Pattu!

[@omarilewis2871]

wrongway out here body shaming my next wheel. i forgive you though.

[@joshuacorino4072]

We have reasonable tilt back speeds: 200 kph 😂

[@mr_wrongway]

Uhm … rest of it is somewhat reasonable!

[@theg0ldkiller]

💯

[@MaximilianGros]

The fact that there is no dynamic tiltback, that adjusts to the voltage, is a dealbreaker for me. I value security and my health higher than fun. I can have fun on safer wheels.

[@mr_wrongway]

There is PWM alarms now And i believe it’s also doing tiltback. Testing now

[@mr_wrongway]

This wheel is really good with showing you the limit ✅✅✅

[@MaximilianGros]

@@mr_wrongway Really looking forward to your review 👍

[@eBoard3R]

⚡👌🏼👌🏼⚡

[@JohnEnergy2012]

Don't long-screw short-holes bruh.

[@jansvoboda9778]

Incline test please. If somebody on planet can overlean patton its you. 😉💓

[@mr_wrongway]

40° already checked. Will do 45 soon

[@groslait7814]

it is illegal use it in switzerland public roads 😂

[@thechumpsbeendumped.7797]

It only looks thick because it’s short. 😉

[@stevenjonathantio4922]

I'm 2nd

[@weberito]

Capacity: 108V 🤡

[@voltron5128]

Bro….quit making faces like that please