Apex 2015 - PewPewU (Marth) Vs. Hungrybox (Jigglypuff) - Winners Round 2 - SSBM

[@PewPewUSmash]

Incredibly happy with how I played this set-- and even happier that my practice prior to Apex paid off. Shoutouts to Hungrybox for letting me have my moment and waiting for the handshake after I popped off

[@JtCoronaOnTheMic]

YOU ARE THE MAN!!

[@TrekWarlord]

dog u my favorite player

[@TheDudeSmashTrash]

what a boss

[@electromagneticlemon]

Kevin Toy Dude was that a jump from the edge at like 1:13?

[@ysmwild]

Say what you will about his playstyle or his popoffs or whatever but Hbox is honestly one of the best sports when he loses

[@DarkwingDuc]

a must-watch for every marth main in the world

[@megansoberanis1389]

Pll

[@ToshiRolls]

And now Zains run at Shine 2018

[@JavierPwns]

Ehh nah this marth is lame.

[@DubYuhGChoppa]

@@JavierPwns Welp when you're playing against puff that's kinda the smartest way to be, especially for Marth. Imagine constantly approaching a character capable of consistently getting 0-deaths off one mistake in neutral on their opponent's end.

[@nerdock4747]

@@ToshiRolls PPU > Zain, easily.

[@AndrewRKenny]

Unreal to watch this all these years later and see the future of this MU being defined real-time while Scar & Toph chronicle it.

[@GR.]

As much as i love Hbox, PPU deserved this win, he played incredibly amazing. He earned that pop off.

[@metalgamer21]

Agreed

[@Dswwimmer]

I'm an HBox lover so a sad day for us PPU played amazing, well deserved indeed.

[@mrtaxwell8099]

Woah, what are the chances, the only 2 HBox fans in the world, come together to comment on a video. *Screenshot*

[@Dswwimmer]

Tylor Maxwell +1

[@megansoberanis1389]

[@timma_j]

When Toph says 'Yo' at 12:21 it syncs up with prog perfectly

[@minis.1541]

+LocksmithMusicUK LOL holy shit u have some good eye sight

[@chrischan2555]

He's reading Prog's line from the MIOM script.

[@johnnyvu0945]

apex 2015 was THE marth tournament

[@LunarySSF2]

PewPewU must have trained for days to perfect pivot. That's something I've never seen before.

[@benzed37]

Right? I had heard of the forward throw into perfect pivot, but down throw? This young man has given me new hope for marth vs puff as a marth main.

[@brandonhatfield1445]

Arashi Kariudo You both need to check the kadano threads. Plenty of marths are doing this.

[@brandonhatfield1445]

Kadano threads yo.

[@wegotfamily3439]

Arashi Kariudo THIS MA BABY BENNY 4 BENZEEEEE, BIG SHOUTOUT

[@benzed37]

Damn it Wendell lol

[@kimcheeseller]

"I did not think there were Marths that really practiced that." Shoutouts to Arc, been doing this stuff since God knows when lol...

[@Meeeeeeeeeeees]

12:16 "Careless forward smashes will be WOAHHH HE GETS THAT TIPPERED FORWARD SMASH!!!!!"

[@Seank7]

Yeah but that wasn't careless that was guarunteed

[@KoAkaiTengami]

Pewpew did a really good job. Even though I think Hungrybox wasn't playing as good as he usually plays, I think part of it was due to Pewpew's ability to hinder Hbox's ability to crouch into rest or crouch into an up A or grab into rest. Hbox didn't have as much options as he usually does against most players. M2K could learn a thing or two from Pewpew. great job to both players.

[@cloudunderscore7905]

pewpews movement was amazing to watch.

[@KoAkaiTengami]

Cloud Underscore and yet some people will ignore the amazing play by pewpew due to being hbox fanboys. Hbox is my personal favorite since I also main Jig, but I'd be an idiot to discredit pewpews amazing play and counter abilities.

[@kimcheeseller]

SheepNoNeedForSleep Dang, fair objective analysis. What a sight for sore eyes lol.

[@junkimchi]

No need to john for someone who's regarded a top 5 smash player Why would you discredit someone who played well by saying such things

[@billpikax8]

Cloud Underscore kevin was good. but other kevin's marth was even better.

[@Rh1thmz]

God the commentary on this set is so prime TophScar commentary is back

[@tonyluo8347]

8:35 "How did he stop?" and then ppu made a video on it

[@theoverlord1103]

The set I've been waiting for the most.

[@Trystaticus]

it's crazy that just last year, pivot fsmash was fringe technology and now it's something all the top Marths do. THis game is always getting better.

[@Madbutcher305]

Respect to Hbox for playing pretty amazing and for taking his loss like a champ, great to see Kevin succeed at this one.

[@raabidskate]

I love this match! Pewpewu's movement is insane! The neutral was great! and Scar and Toph's commentary was gold, one of my favorite matches to watch for sure.

[@TerraceLuster]

Never in my life have I seen Marth versus Jigglypuff played so well on Marth's side. Incredibly inspiring to say the least.

[@pokeman123451]

its because hbox was sitting.

[@stitchfaces]

The pivot f-smash is so sick. I remember talking to my friend about pivot f-smash out of grab about a month before Apex, wondering why NO Marths use it, and he didn't see the usefulness in practicing it. And then came PewPewU. Inspiration.

[@Ribskinski]

That was the perfect ending to this set. The set is 1-1, it's all down to Game 3. First kill with the down throw pivot fsmash. Toph and Scar talks about how precise it is to hit as you have to read your opponent's DI to pull it off. PPU stars with a lead, but Hungrybox brings it back and takes the set to last stock. Scar says: "The rest piece is back on the board; the card has appeared. Careless forward smashes will be..." BOOM. DOWN-THROW PIVOT FSMASH. The practiced technical setup to end the set, fulfilling Scar's prophecy. Game!

[@LaJ126]

Those back throws pivot fsmash tippers were UNREAL

[@brandonhatfield1445]

D-throw.

[@LaJ126]

Brandon Hatfield True.

[@DubYuhGChoppa]

PPU walked so Zain could run

[@raghavpatel720]

or PewPewU walked so Kodorin could sprint

[@mewchimew]

I wonder why Sakurai doesn't make a separate game for competitiveness. They could use Melee's engine and add more characters, stages, etc

[@shanghai9029]

It would be an expensive undergoing but I would love to see that. Also Sakurai does not like the competitive scene unfortunately

[@shadoninja]

+mewchimew Nintendo tried quite hard to keep Melee from ever becoming an ESport.

[@PantherTrax]

+mewchimew From Nintendo's perspective, why would they ever do this? Melee is a hard game, and the average person finds it to be very frustrating - though these are for the same reasons that it makes a competitive game. As a company with shareholders who care about the bottom line, spending money for a game that is unlikely to sell well is a waste. But us smashers don't care about that

[@Dankyjrthethird]

he would probably ruin it. melee as it is has a unique magic that can never be replicated

[@WTFate]

lmfao I put the video speed on 0.5 to watch that pivot smash and Toph and Scars commentary turned into the funniest drunk sounding commentary ever

[@kofe87]

Finally, this video is up

[@2saint]

"No di" it was tipper on puff what would di even do

[@strawhats100]

Such a pleasure watching Ktoy conquer this Match up.

[@Lawtubes]

12:26 reminds me of the supa hot fire freestyle reaction face lmaooo

[@darienthomas6264]

This is secretly the best set ever.

[@acefaaace]

Damn PewPewU is hella improving. But it sucks he had to play PPMD at both Apex and Evo leaving him right out of top 8 with 9th place.

[@Baku69895]

He was actually disqualified

[@strawhats100]

Allmywhat umm...no he wasn't he lost to KK in losers and got 9th. You must be referring to teams where he and sfat got DQ'd and as a result had to start from losers bracket where they eventually lost to Leffen and ice after they(pewfat) were up 2-0.

[@Baku69895]

strawhats100 Then where's that video? I was on twitter during the tournament and he said he was disqualified for a miscommunication with the TO's. He went to take a shower and missed his match. He moped for like half an hour over it.

[@TNTYeti]

Allmywhat no he lost to KK in losers.That match was on a different stream

[@strawhats100]

Allmywhat Search Thom Zang: PewPewU vs KirbyKaze

[@intheband002]

What's funny is this highly improbable win had a huge impact on PP winning the tourney. Not sure he would've been able to beat Hbox with how his Falco was playing.

[@michaeldinh2449]

My first upset I watched live, very iconic

[@IAmtheBallrus]

been waiting for this. Those pivots, my god.

[@itsacrocidile]

if you beat hbox while he's sitting it doesn't count, sorry kevin

[@treehann]

I miss these days

[@NickGore-rf2dd]

I was tripping really hard watching this and "mike haze" sounded like "my kids" and I thought I was watching a totally different type of video for a minute, really destroyed my omniverse for a moment there

[@danielwarren3138]

Wtf

[@TalonKabayama97]

those pivot tipper Fsmashes were gawdlike

[@ryancoleandthepapersouls3659]

Sick set by Kevin Toy! What was Toph about to say about him "kinda" beating Mango?

[@WafflesOWNz]

PPU just keeps out-reading H-box, seeing those crouches coming and keeping up the pressure.

[@johnnycrash4892]

This tourney was so anime for pewpew

[@Berble21]

his pivots are fucking amazing

[@TheDudeSmashTrash]

Kevin's movement was so beautiful in this set

[@ignaciolopez-fu4mo]

the f-smash in 12:17 was a pivot ?

[@amoria4847]

yes

[@mnjones92]

Has Hunbgrybox ever lost to another Marth on stream before? Besides SmashG0d on netplay of course.

[@inokentertainmentemail2105]

Should've watched this before playing Hungrybox on Netplay today xD.

[@Burlux2]

1 word to describe melee. Opportunity.

[@sagaramin]

That last pivot tipper to get the win was disgusting. #Throwback

[@MegaManKenta]

Who else here after shine?

[@tellhybrid]

Thank you Pewpewu for shutting up all Marth mains who cry, and make excuses about Jiggz.

[@MrTacticalinuit]

So m2k could go marth vs hbox?

[@Saturi]

2:24 short hop down air, what are you doing bro? Cmon PewPewU.

[@nh66532]

That pound hitbox 1:34

[@scarpiasp2472]

The games don't go to 3?

[@Baku69895]

+Sam Darby Only finals are best of 5. This was best of 3.

[@satchelsguitarshop]

Best set of Apex.

[@aoeu256]

If Mew2King sticked to Marth instead of also playing Fox & Shiekh, I bet he could have beaten Mango more in his puff prime, and HungryBox with Marth.

[@alexelliott8509]

After watching this, I think M2K should just play Marth against Puff from now on. He already did well against Hbox at Smash The Record

[@GDT1124]

people just love to see Juan lose. they always talk about how good the competitor is doing and people are cheer the opposition

[@GDT1124]

not trying to say that pewpewu isnt playing amazingly, just something ive noticed over the years. doesnt make sense to me. its never "wow hbox is playing so good!"

[@chairwood]

u can make that argument for other sets maybe but wtf u talking about here. Pewpewu came with new incredibly hard tech and beat a god of the game. obv ppl r gonna b excited for him accomplishing that!

[@Sykewanwan]

I feel like hbox would win in a bo5, much easier to play this matchup from the jiggs side compared to the perfect spacing and patience needed from marth.

[@ulinkcl6423]

gano con marth, que dificil...

[@varius456]

sets like this make me wonder why m2k (whos probably the best marth) opts for fox against hungrybox. marth has such a great counter to jig's bs hitboxes with his own more bs hitboxes lol.

[@noahtwigg1885]

fox is better against puff. as close as this was, if you look at what is happening nowadays with hbox vs marths, fox has a better shot due to his up throw up air and up smash

[@timskiii]

it's melee. technically speaking fox is just simply better. and you know m2k always gotta go for the "best" option even if it might not actually be the best

[@HoXanna]

arguably best marth, but id argue PPMD is better in every mu except vs spacies

[@BotanVal]

the kill setups that pewpewu did are near impossible. two of his kills were pivot f-smashes which are one frame inputs, and it's just simply easier when any one of foxes moves could kill jigglypuff.

[@tonyhawksunderground2]

Feels good man

[@devdy1254]

Pewpew is named Kevin...Kevin is from Germ Gramps...Germ Gramps has 2 million subs...There is only one Kevin...2 plus one is 3...Can you guess?

[@nickrulez809765]

Illuminati confirmed?

[@dizzymetrics]

My impressions of PewPewU were of an ok Marth, nothing special, but he definitely stepped it up this match. I'm looking forward to future matches.

[@1drizzt1025]

PPU has been the best Marth solo main for a while now, 3rd Marth in the world behind PPMD and M2K

[@dizzymetrics]

Pandaphilophobe That's the thing, I wasn't really that impressed when guys like PP and m2k are around, but that's bad on my part.

[@KashiwaDaisuke]

+Borikuaedu3991 PPU is the most technical/flashy Marth, moreso than PP and m2k. His fundamentals are just a step behind.

[@LordofMangoes]

dat empty pivot wavedash jump cancel grab

[@strawhats100]

small nitpick...3:15 ppu could've close that stock out with an up OoS

[@strawhats100]

upb*...to punish the pound

[@wizardgeno]

Press 1 if you feel bad for Hungrybox.

[@bupegasus]

Nope, that PewPewU baebee

[@billpikax8]

Hungrybox still outplaced pewpewu and had a great loser's run. I don't feel bad.

[@btubbs00123]

11 likes.

[@rxthezealot]

Man as much as I love Hungrybox, PewPewU totally deserved this win. He played beautifully. Press 2 to give props to PPU.

[@fetchyryu]

+wizardgeno 2

[@maorlivni6450]

8:55 scar and toph talking about how hard pivot tipper is... see zain in 2020 fools :)

[@ShowMeYaMovez]

This was in 2015..

[@happymonkeyfish]

And then Zain came along and the marth-puff matchup became puffs worst matchup

[@Vextos]

I'm so glad PewPewU won, the way Hbox plays Jiggly is so lame and frustrating.

[@chapn7]

Agreed

[@gf3tw]

That's not true though.

[@kempessfa1946]

I wouldn't say it's lame, but it's definitely boring.

[@benzed37]

Kempes SFA Drymango I don't know, I have to side with Jim Morrison considering that that's really an opinion. Like, you can't say that's right or wrong really.

[@Cancer98765]

I actually find the way he plays puff to be more aggro than people believe. If she didn't get knocked halfway across the stage from a tap and had any sort of fall speed her matches would end way faster the way he plays. Regardless, it's a different style of melee that I also love seeing now, because I understand what the players are doing. When I didn't I hated Samus, Peach, and Puff. I still don't like Samus besides Plup though.

[@ASovietUnicorn]

Zain's beta form

[@realmofmadness3473]

I miss when HBox was the worst of the gods, Melee was actually watchable back then...

[@ProlificPops]

12:26 LMAO

[@downbad4urdad]

YO Kevin is the king of pivot fsmash, C'mon Toph! Lol

[@strawhats100]

that would b Arc, however ktoy validated it's usage against a top level player that has a history of absolutely abusing marths

[@DGDfan13]

GATTTTTTTTTTTT DAMMMMMMM

[@tellhybrid]

"50/50" is a really inaccurate way of describing anything in Melee just saying.

[@HRM9425]

Well Mew2king has said on stream that a big part of Melee comes down to 50/50.

[@tellhybrid]

If you're isolating one specific situation then maybe, but realistically there are always multiple situations in Melee simultaneously. Mew2king lets his personal feelings get in the way of information, who dosen't know this by now, he probably says that to justify his loss.

[@HRM9425]

Yes there are, but when you are going to break it down and explain these situations a lot of them do come down to 50/50's. M2K in no way was trying to justify any loss. It was a random stream of him just trying to teach viewers. Sure his emotions get the best of him, but in a case like this where he is just explaining his understanding of the game, I don't think that's what happened

[@tellhybrid]

Limiting any situation in Melee to two possibilities is false lol flat. That implies each player has one option, or one player has two, this is never the case lol. In Sheiks UpB alone she has hundreds of different possible angles for example.

[@tellhybrid]

Of course it seems like a 50/50 to a closed mind after all ready examining the outcome.

[@Slashtap]

wtf CLEAN pivot

[@gman6049]

GO PEWPEWU!

[@XanderRcage]

hbox and most jiggly players are a fuckin gimmick in this high level play they are banking on a broken character that their whole fight strategy is clearly an expertise of an ssbm exploit..........just watch 2 jigglys play and you see the most mundane chicken footsies where patience out weighs skill and talent

[@benzed37]

Patience is arguably the most valuable skill in this game, they aren't mutually exclusive.

[@nickrulez809765]

you're right because the same can't be said of fox, falco, peach, sheik, captain falcon, and the ice climbers.

[@Cancer98765]

Cough *Shine* Cough. JC shine gimmick cough. There's an absurd amount of mental skill/spacing/talent/reaction involved with Puff or there'd be more than 1 notable puff in the entire world (Mango/M2K aside). It's just a different talent than spacie tech.

[@billpikax8]

patience is a talent in iteself. you sound like scar from 5 years ago.

[@Dswwimmer]

You would have been the one that called mango a gimmick back in the day too. What a shame you can't even tell what talent is

[@Zabble929]

Fuck yeah PPU

[@thomas.lee22]

Bay Area reppin

[@ENTERTAINMENTSERVICE]

sicko mode

[@icebear6757]

PPU is soo good

[@800blake]

kids good. but that name, its just gotta go

[@XanderRcage]

GTFO HBOX OMG!!!!!!skill vs a character who doesn even need wave dashing or l canceling just a concept of understanding juggles witha crazy hit distance and a fuckin 2 hit KO combo

[@cookster69]

Idk why everyone is so amazed by pivot fsmashes.

[@mrmarvelmilitant]

Sooo u can do them too?

[@cookster69]

marvelakajka Yes..?

[@glenhoerner8837]

TheCookieCrusader It's probably more because PewPewU out spaced the spacing master with tippers almost every time

[@bsol510]

It's a one frame input

[@starbloom8807]

back here again after the Zain HBox SSC grands, for the OG

[@lezzei]

crazy how this set singlehandedly changed the marth puff MU

[@danielwarren3138]

​@@lezzeiit should have but it took years for anyone to repeat this