Vi Meets Jayce | Arcane

#arcane #vi #leagueoflegends

[@7slavok]

I like that random guard in the background. He's just standing there with his clipboard filling out the paperwork. You can't see his face, but you can tell he's looking at the two people with hextech weapons thinking, "Oh, crap, I don't want to have to get between that!"

[@everythinguwant1112]

I don't see him in what minute?

[@jerrycampers7568]

2:57

[@yasiegonlastie5483]

These little shots, they tell us about the people and the world they live in, no matter how small or unnoticeable they are. It’s the life that comes with those small bits we see!

[@northernrime]

poor man is shitting his pants. he doesn't get paid enough for that XD

[@nslater1388]

Didn’t notice before, but Vi gave a small sigh of relief when Jayce decided not to fight her. She’s seen that weapon in action, so she knows better.

[@Shaggy87781]

Still pretty sure vi would win, she has a lifetime of fighting experience whereas jayce has 1 day.

[@markstewardson4006]

@@Shaggy87781 She doesn't really know what weapons she has on her hands are capable of, Jayce does. He built them so knows their strengths and weaknesses. While Vi does have a lifetime of experience it's in fistfights, now she is fighting with and against super weapons something a lot more outside of her experience. The other things as well is that her equipment is repurposed mining equipment, Jayce has the first real hextech weapon. It's not going to be an easy win for either of them

[@ThatOpinionIsWrong]

@@Shaggy87781 I don't think so, that hammer is OP, Jayce has no fighting experience yet defeated the chemtanks without a scratch

[@Shaggy87781]

@@ThatOpinionIsWrong he literally gets scratched in his face in this very scene lol

[@fitisdead8029]

typically in french acting breathing out is a way of letting out the tension of the scene so i think its more that thanks.

[@delusionaldreamer8332]

I love how when Jayce tells Vi to take the gauntlets off, he's not just talking about the gauntlets, he's talking about Vi's use of violence. He's telling her that violence isn't the right choice. When Vi tells him he'd have to force her, she's telling him that she'll only stop when she's dead, that she will keep fighting, violently. You can't spell violence without Vi.

[@HK-gm8pe]

Vi is clearly very angry and wants to punch her way out of everything , she knows nothing but violence because of the world she grew up in , I am excited to see how she finally turns into Vi we know from the games

[@AllUpOns]

She's also (unintentionally?) showing him that if you want to stop violence, you have to be willing to use violence. Jayce doesn't seem to have the stomach for that just yet, but we'll see how things develop.

[@nslater1388]

The interesting thing about this back and forth is that Vi is making a ton of assumptions about Jayce. She thinks he’s some pampered, ignorant rich pretty boy who has never faced adversity. And while it’s true Jayce hasn’t lead as hard or violent as Vi, he’s gotten to where his is because he genuinely wants to help others, and has faced trials and prejudice himself. But Jayce, unlike Vi, understands the cost of abusing power like Hextech, and the one time he decides to ignore that warning, a kid dies. And worse, Vi tells him afterwards that crap happens and that there will be collateral along the way. Jayce shows tremendous strength by walking away. In his eyes Vi essentially justified killing a kid and Jayce would not accept that. Vi is being Vi. Loud, passionate, punch and go all out. Jayce is being Jayce. Calculating, thinking of solutions that benefit as many people as possible.

[@firstnamelastname3547]

I think it's also reflective of the heist at the beginning of the series. Jayce was the victim of circumstance and had much of his career ruined, much like the kid.

[@accelerationgate5089]

Nahhhh, they made Jayce a little worthless piece of shit who got manipulated and used by everyone around him. Calculating? Man couldn't calculate his way out of a woman's bed lmao

[@matthiaswallner2774]

Most of Vi's assumptions are correct thought. Like 99% of all topsiders they didn't care how or why Piltover is working the way it does. Sure they face adversety and hardship, definitly a lot of competition. But for Vi or other trenchers, Jayce wavering in his conviction over one dead child has to look like a giant joke. How many parents, siblings and children die in the mines or of starvation. And now because a child died directly as a consequence of his action instead of indirectly and he decides he cant continue?

[@RepublicRevolt]

Jayce is being a coward though. People will continue to die and suffer regardless and the top siders did nothing but further exploit them and abuse them. It was ignored for so long and now he is going back to that.

[@motivated2473]

@@matthiaswallner2774 Stupid comparison. It's not the same being ignorant of the result of an awful system that continues to get people killed, as killing a child yourself, I don't know where this illogical comparison is coming from, but if it was used as an actual justification, it would sound more like an unthinking selfish beast that doesn't know nor cares about finding solutions to the problems at hand, and just wants to slam their heads at the problem without caring about any consequences. Surely, Vi's shitty life wasn't only caused by her gross and dumb way of thinking, she was just a victim of circumstances and doesn't need to fucking think before she acts xd

[@lordsandwich2309]

"Why did jayce just quit?" Jayce is a good man that just did something that went against his very own nature. A child is dead and he is responsible. Vi claimed it was justified but to a man like Jayce death is never justified.

[@louisBrother1988]

as another commenter wrote: _"Vi is being Vi. Loud, passionate, punch and go all out. Jayce is being Jayce. Calculating, thinking of solutions that benefit as many people as possible"_

[@mohabalserafe3795]

​​@@louisBrother1988 besides Jayce never even knew anything about war or even higher ups controlling His people treating them like rats like vi neither where his people dying all around him like ekko when she wasn't around to witness what the city has become ever since silco took control if he could even last a month in the undercity a situation like this would have been just another Tuesday for him instead of running from it like a coward and choose the easy way instead

[@dumbidea1007]

They started wanting vengeance jayce realized what the price would be and say nop the f out of this I am going to go the moral way and ask for peace

[@AllUpOns]

Jayce quit because he's not used to dealing with death head on. Looking at the big picture, this raid was a complete success, and there's no reason not to continue. The only mistake was that Jayce lost control and fired a wild shot. That's something he can learn from and correct next time. But Jayce is an idealist, and even one death is too much. He's still blind to the fact that by not fighting, he and Piltover as a whole are causing way more suffering.

[@roxirock5455]

People are missing the point here. Vi is SUPPOSED to not be in the right, she is ignoring what Vander told her because she's revenge hungry. And honestly she has every right to call Jace out here. She had to watch as Milo and Cleggor got blown up to pieces, two kids may I add, because of the council choices, and NOBODY from Piltover cared. She is right, Jace has always been a part of it. Also the reason people are more hostile towards Jaces decision is because he has never seen war before and just wants it for justice or some sort of morality win, Vi on the other hand has been a victim from the start, so it makes sense she'd be aggressive, that's how she's been rase. But Vi is still not in the right, that's the point. She was so blinded from revenge that she forgot what she's supposed to be standing for. She got her revenge,but lost Powder in the process.

[@InTheNickofTime]

Yes and no. There is a huge difference in living in a city and having kids die from the inaction of legislation, and PULLING the trigger on your fancy new arcane cannon and blasting a child full on and watching him plummet to his death. Indirect vs direct. Vi is also right about there being far more bodies due to Silco. Just because you are not taking action to make things better, doesn't mean you condone the things making it worse, you're just not being as good as you could be.

[@roxirock5455]

@@InTheNickofTime I agree and disagree, if Jace and the rest were civilians I would agree,but they're not. They're the council, they make the rules, they make the law, they decide and they have all the power. Jace even said : It's our turn to decide the future. It's their duty to protect and look after both Piltover and Zaun, and it's clear they faild miserably. They sent an army to terorise the Undercity because a building got blown, even tho there were no victims, that was their choice and they had every chance to stop and show mercy. I get that they had no idea the culprits were children,but then again they didn't seem to care. They didn't care why there would be acts of terrorism to begin with, they also didn't really seem to care after Grayson's death that the culprits weren't found ( although I may be wrong with this bc we are missing information and it may be shown that someone else took the blame, idk). At the end of the day, they didn't care about what happened to Vander and Silco,to Milo and Cleggor, Echo and Vi....and of course Jinx. At the end of the day, they faild their people, like Jace says:" I'm not fit to govern the people who live there, and neither are you." The sad realty is that they made it impossible for people from the Undercity to win in anyway, wether they wanted to or didn't depends, but they must pay for it now.

[@user-dn6oi6dt7k]

@@roxirock5455 keep in mind when what you were describing happened, jayce wasnt in the council. None of this happened when he was

[@roxirock5455]

@@user-dn6oi6dt7k Yes and we do need to acknowledge that, BUT he still made things worse, granted he had no idea he was doing it,but still. He ordered the barricade on the bridge, he discriminated against the Undercity, he showed clear biases BUT I do realize this was part of his arc. I honestly don't blame Jace for his actions, I think it was just way too late for peace. He understood by the end what was right to do and tried. His biggest mistake in my opinion was asking for Jinx, without knowing anything about her and with basically just a statement from Vi as evidence against her. Now, I get he probably wanted Jinx to go to court, but the sad truth is she would have never gotten a fair traile. Jace's problems don't come from an actual place of hate or greed, but more from being unaware of what he's actually doing, wich is exactly what Vi is pointing out here. He says he can't go on killing, she tells him people are dieing in the Undercity anyway because of Silco. He threatens Vi with sending her to stillwater when she's trying to get him to fight, she tells him how it's actually like in there. That's why this interaction is so important, Vi shows Jace what's like being in war, and he chooses to try peace, even if it's not fair that Silco gets away. He now sees the world from Vi's pov. But he still doesn't see the world from Jinx, from the pov of a unwell child who no one helped when she needed it most, to whom no one has ever been merciful to, of a monster that was created,not born. Jinx finds happiness in war because it's the only thing that has been constant in her life,and that's on the council. Jace says " The next parents who get a message their kid isn't coming home......do we just leave him here?" The same way Vander got the news Vi was turning herself in... The same way Silco panicked when he saw Jinx on the bridge.....the same way Powder was left on the street to cry, the same way Milo's and Cleggor's bodys never got buried and are who knows where...This has always happend, Jace just wasn't aware of it. I respect Jace for trying to make a difference, but it was just 7 years too late.

[@roxirock5455]

I would like to apologize to everyone for starting a library on this comment section, please keep in mind these are just my opinions, and it's perfectly valid to disagree with me.

[@ClaudioProductionsX]

I like that, despite everything progressing in the series, Jayce's morals and attitude always remained unchanged. He doesn't get blindly manipulated, but he's willing to listen always to what other people have to say to him.

[@thereccher8746]

Vi has balls of steel standing up to the creator of Hextech when he had a big ass hammer and all she had were the gauntlets.

[@mohabalserafe3795]

Even jinx wouldn't have been that much different if both of them meet

[@Josuh]

I mean Jayce doesn't really look that threatening (despite the hammer) and i doubt Vi cares enough about this "hextech" she keeps hearing about

[@imperialtrooper927]

@@Josuh She was literally about to throw hands just to keep those hextech gauntlets she's using. Wdym she doesn't care?

[@Josuh]

@@imperialtrooper927 I meant more of a "She doesn't care that Jayce is the creator of Hextech, he's just some dude", sorry if it sounded confusing lol

[@Tfaonc]

Love the random enforcer they cut to, you can see him thinking "ahhhh shit, mom and dad are about to fight again"

[@EchoBoomer1987]

The Top/Mid Laner arguing with the Jungler? This is definitely League of Legends!

[@andrewpenny4676]

Jayce wasn't wrong about the alone thing though. And I do hope they team up again.

[@vcb2553]

i love the subtle details, like when Jayce was using the gloves it felt awkward, a bit like he was struggling. but when vi took it she is a natural with it. its a little thing but that communicated a lot.

[@TheReal_MG]

I love how VI’s just roasting him so hard LOL Jayce has nothing to say back

[@levalexandrov4652]

He's already thinking all this himself. She's just saying it.

[@domezasrekh3775]

I like it more that when he doesnt have an actual answer to her he doesnt start bullshitting.

[@mohabalserafe3795]

​@Bheshaj B I mean can you blame vi anyone would consider stuff like people dying Just another Tuesday if they were to live in a place like the undercity

[@soysource3218]

That's because he knows she's right.

[@AllUpOns]

@@soysource3218 She's both right and wrong. "You've always been a part of this." -> Unarguably right. "You didn't have a choice. He knew what he was signing up for." -> Complete bullshit, and the completely wrong thing to say to Jayce in that moment.

[@eriklzbr4386]

It amazes me how people talking shit about Jayce miss the point of his character so much. His entire character revolves around the fact he's neither a Zaunite street kid like Vi nor a Piltover elite like Cait. He's literally the middle class, except since this is fantasy here the middle class can actually succeed. Sure he didn't have a traumatic and rough upbringing like Vi (like most people criticising him) but it's shown his family made a name for themselves through hard work and he himself is a man of action (ffs their emblem is a hammer). His entire arc is about him leaping from a pretty regular livelihood to getting involved with the Piltover elites that try to profit off of his and Vyktor's work and how he learns to navigate that world which is completely new to him. Sure he's an immensely flawed character but that's the magic about Arcane, every character is so flawed yet so sympathetic at the same time, all of them have great depth. Yet for some reason people get mad at Jayce and his decisions when in truth he's probably the closest one to the audience bc let's be honest, most of us can't relate to Vi's struggle (even tho we can very much understand it and I don't think she's wrong at all, she's defending what she believes in even tho it's a reckless route) and we definitely cannot relate to Cait's status. Jayce's upbringing and origins represent that middle point between the heights of Piltover and the depths of Zaun, even tho he clearly leans more towards the former. Everyone talks high and mighty claiming he's a hypocrite but I think he truly represents what an average person would do and think in his situation. Sure, Vi is right about this kid being but a droplet in an entire ocean of tragedy but are we really gonna pretend none of us would be shocked after killing a child??? Plus we understand Vi and trust her bc we've seen her whole story but she and Jayce had barely interacted here and as she herself said: Cait went to Jayce for help for a reason. The entire council only started acting bc of him, they were too blinded by arrogance to understand the threat Silco posed. I really hope they can come to understand each other better in the future, lots of awesome stuff can come out their cooperation and mutual understanding. It is entirely possible that Jayce will walk a power-trip plot arc but I truly have high hopes he'll eventually become a better man. TLDR: Jayce is neither a Piltovan elite like Cait or Zaunite survivor like Vi, he's a middle class guy who's work paid off and got dragged into the highest echelons of society and he's learning how to deal with that. His decisions are not so different from what either of us would in his position, and there's a good chance he and Vi will eventually find mutual ground and work together.

[@AllUpOns]

Sure, he's middle class, but he still fundamentally doesn't relate to the undercity. "You don't understand, I'm a part of this now." Just listen to that. He's always been part of it, but he's blind to it. In reality, the only thing that went wrong with this mission is that he lost control for a second and fired a wild shot. That shouldn't be ignored, but it doesn't mean you have to completely stop, either.

[@Jarod-te2bi]

Their lives and others in both cities have been intertwine for so long, and they didn’t even know it. This is master class storytelling right here.

[@nemak89]

I love how he puts down the hammer when he starts to think they may be on the same boat with Vi and pick up the (other) hammer when he finds out they actually are not. This show is just too good.

[@dominiqueyoung7628]

Ironically, the very power she used to try to stop silco (sorry if Im misspelling his name) is what allowed him to achieve his goal at the end of the season

[@freshairkaboom8171]

He didn't achieve his goal though, his goal was an independent nation state of Zaun. We know that eventually Zaun will be its own region, but whether or not it will be legally recognized by Piltover or just called Zaun by the denizens is another matter entirely.

[@Archedgar]

@@freshairkaboom8171 Actually we know Piltover will recognize it and **exactly** how it will become its own nation-state; Through war, and a little 'help' from Noxus. This isn't a secret. It's part of the game.

[@freshairkaboom8171]

@@Archedgar True, if the lore of the game follows the lore of Arcane perfectly, which I'm not so sure about.

[@ststes]

also the same power that got her family killed in every sense that power caused the explosion on their first heist in Piltover which drew so much attention Then Powder's bomb with that power killed their family

[@whitestararmada103]

season 2 cant come soon enough man, awsome show

[@john_1986]

6 more months to go bro we almost there

[@gman5377]

Between the writers and the animators, seriously major leagued ths out of the park.

[@thedude3065]

it's hard to take sides when neither of them are wrong

[@resolutionblaze363]

Arcane Fans when Jayce suggests going to war: "Boo this man!" Arcane Fans when Vi literally does the exact same thing: "YAS, SLAY QUEEN! GIRLBOSS MOMENT!"

[@frankie3010]

By "virtue" of being Arcane fans you can tell they aren't that smart.

[@resolutionblaze363]

@@frankie3010 Wtf are you talking about

[@frankie3010]

@@resolutionblaze363 I think my meaning is pretty clear.

[@ferminballesteros7462]

​@@frankie3010 Did your parents beat you as a child or something?

[@pwpqwq7648]

@@ferminballesteros7462 The fact that you actually bring that into this conversation when he never really said anything THAT extreme is honestly just sad. Back to his point, the Arcane fandom, just like any other fandom out there, has its cringe people who shamelessly and single handedly bring down the fandom's reputation. Not as bad as a Steven Universe fandom, but Arcane still has a bunch of cringe fans, so I kinda see what his point is

[@Windona]

I think it's interesting that Jayce listened to Vi and heard her about the kids and Topside's culpability, but took a very different message than the one she wanted him to take.

[@nicolasdiez7688]

What I see here is that neither of them is wrong. They do want to end the conflict although due to being from different sides their vision of how to achieve their goal is extreme, so to speak, Vi wants to do it using her fists if she needs to while Jayce chooses to avoid violence and try on the diplomatic way

[@damianwang4991]

Just noticed this on 10th watch: As she starts to win him over, he sets down the hammer and starts slowly moving toward her.

[@ststes]

Vi is pretty quick to call out Jayce or Piltover for things being so bad, but honestly, it never felt like she's actually tried to improve things in Zaun. Even here talking about that kid felt more like her trying to manipulate Jayce into justifying it. Her whole focus after getting out of prison was just to make silco pay, she isn't that concerned for Zaun or it's people. Not saying she is heartless, even she seemed bothered by that kids death, but she isn't doing much to improve where she lives. Others like Vander (or even silco in his twisted way) tried to improve things or at least make the best of it

[@JassLJ]

There's not much Vi can do right now besides her goal has always been to save Jinx and get rid of Silco. In the Lore Vi is a Piltover Enforcer and in season 1 as a child in episode 1 she showed that she doesn't like living in Zaun she wanted more than what she was given. I think she cares about Zaun because that was her home but not as much as Silco and Vander did. She wouldn't put in the same effort Ekko did for the civilians other than doing her duty as a Enforcer. I wonder in season 2 will Vi be a Enforcer or training to become one.

[@ststes]

@@JassLJ right now she is focused on her goal, but other than that she's never shown ANY desire or voiced an actual goal of improving Zaun. She isn't trying to stop silco to help them, it's revenge for her So why is she blaming other people for not trying to change things when she doesn't herself?

[@JassLJ]

@ststes I think she thought just defeating Silco would be enough to help Zaun and save Powder which is why she was so angry at the council who was going to negotiate with Silco and was happy to find a ally other than Caitlyn that wanted to stop Silco.

[@ststes]

@@JassLJ but she never voiced that stopping silco was for Zaun or that it would really help them. She was doing that for her own goals. It would be different if she mentioned that but she didn't.

[@JassLJ]

@@ststes I know she never mentioned it I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt but you're right she never fought for Zaun she fought to achieve her goals and for Vander.

[@chrishemsburger9718]

Use your Spider sense Gwen

[@Murv002]

There was no Gwen here, lad.

[@floffy2695]

Vi speaks so much truth here, it's scary how real she sounds. Not to mention, her targeting Silco for 'revenge' - you all do realize, granting independence to Zaun with Silco, who has mostly destroyed the undercity with Shimmer, would be more devastating? Piltover would just leave them to rot at Silco's hands while denying assistance because Zaun is "independent" now. Getting rid off Silco and then having Piltover assist in Zaun's redevelopment and independence is the way to go. If Vi really was after revenge, she could have killed Caitylyn or Jayce, the topsiders who turned her life hell. But she's a broken woman, fresh out of prison with no awareness of what is going on except for one desperate goal: return home, find her sister, take them to safety and then plan next.

[@V1ctorTrophies]

So much of what you said here is wrong. Vi is blinded by her need for revenge against Silco. She has no reason to kill Jayce or Caitlyn. Those are not the ones who ruined her life. As for the independence, you are once again mistaken. Part of Silco’s deal was to have access to the same network of sales that Piltover had, so that he could sell Shimmer and improve the Undercity. As shown, Shimmer can be used for good as well, just like most drugs in real life.

[@floffy2695]

@@V1ctorTrophies Vi is not "blinded" what? She grew into an adult IN A PRISON with no knowledge whatsoever of anything happening outside, her last memory being her sister about to be 'killed' by Silco's goons when she was a TEEN. OF course it makes sense that the first thing she would do is run back to find her sister - the last family she had - how on earth is that being "blinded by revenge"??? You expect people to change their POV in 1 day? She was out of prison for like. 1-2 days. Also, Shimmer can be used for good, but Silco hasn't used it that way nor has he given any indication of using it. It was Ekko who rescued the addicts and rehabilitated them and tried to make a living life. When a person from the Undercity is against Silco and is doing a better work than him towards caring for the broken people there, that tells all you need to know about how Silco doesn't really care about improving the undercity for all that he preaches about Zaun and independence. Vi and Ekko are BOTH against Silco. Vi is nowhere blinded by revenge, Silco has caused great damage to the Undercity and part of it was aimed towards her sister. If Vi was blinded by revenge, again, she could have taken it out against Caitlyn or Jayce because they are topsiders - Topsiders are the ones who started the whole bloody mess and thrust Zaun into poverty. Caitlyn and Jayce aren't directly responsible, but a person "blinded by revenge" would have tried to kill Caitlyn/Jayce on first contact out of prejudice, which Vi doesn't have. She's not that hellishly blinded by revenge.

[@JassLJ]

​@@floffy2695in a way she was taking it out on Caitlyn. She didn't trust her in the beginning and refused her help she only started liking Caitlyn because Caitlyn showed she genuinely loved for Vi. As for Jayce I think she respected him for being the only council member to want to do something about Silco. She probably dislikes him now since he abandoned her before they could cause any real damage.

[@VDA19]

Considering Jayce and Viktor invented Hextech, they really should've put some sort of de-activation/self destruct tool in them so that THEY can shut them down if someone gets their hands on their work.

[@Archedgar]

Viktor definitely has something like that but not Jayce.

[@VDA19]

@@Archedgar Yeah considering they're meant to be super geniuses it's really f'n dumb to not have a failsafe that lets them de-activate any Hextech, like Iron Man suits can't be hacked.

[@autob00t26]

It's gonna be interesting between these two in the next season. Jayce could try to catch jinx and vi not gonna let that slides. On the other hand Caitlyn mom is dead so it's could be possible Caitlyn want to kill jinx too and vi not gonna let that slides either but they are lovers so vi probably confused af in the next season. Definitely gonna be interesting as hell.

[@winterspirit3734]

Jayce: Yeah I'm not shaking your hand like that. You'd crush me. Vi: Yeah one way or the other I'm crushing you.

[@crimsonitaliandragon5453]

Yes, Jayce, willingly or not, you were always part of this. Vi here is most of the time right, in what she says and she also has the best idea on how to hit Silco badly to make a dent on his hold on Zaun. She only said it to the wrong person in my opinion, with Caitlyn she could've organized it better and be more efficient in it, possibly lowering the civilian casualties. It could still have gone bad, but at least Caitlyn is a cop/former cop, she know how to organize everything. (Yes, I know that this is after Vi and Caitlyn have the "break up" scene in the rain, but I am just making theories on how it could've gone if Vi would've told her idea to Caitlyn instead of Jayce.) Also, I love when she roasts him on abusing his power as a Councilor, when he boldly threatens Vi to have her arrested. She really makes him thinks for a moment on how he shouldn't be using that power. The whole part of Vi teaming up with Jayce was a very good built up scene and it's actually an awesome sequence, despite its outcome with the death of the kid. I hope season 2 maintains this level of quality in every branch, from graphics to storytelling to voice actors and animations. And soundtracks/instrumental music.

[@Zurezule]

Caitlyn couldn't handle the chem tanks tbh. Jayce specifically can at that point because of his hextech. cait doesn't have that going for her, and to hit those facilities and bring them down Vi specifically needed Jayce's backup and the forces he brought with him. I also think there was an important realization there. Because Vi saw the good Jayce was doing, by helping her but don't forget that Zaun as a whole saw it as an act of aggression and war. Things go to absolute hell between the two cities because of it. They even go on to imply further raids would've devolved the state back to the bridge battles they were already dangerously close to having. Jayce needed to realize that militaristic might wouldn't be what won the day. It couldn't be, or it wasn't any different than attempted fixes in the past. Zaun would just see Piltover muscling in on and controlling their lives again, and Piltover would see Zaun's reaction as ungrateful for their help and stubbornly isolationistic.

[@crimsonitaliandragon5453]

@@Zurezule I can see your point, but for Caitlyn I was merely speaking about a pianification role for her, not going in and fight in person. That would've been still Jayce and Vi role in the Ops, as I knew that Caitlyn didn't have the means to fight in a proficient way. I have to object to what you said about the militaristic/law enforcement approach not being the way to act against Silco. Silco (let's be realistic) is a crime lord, you don't negotiate with people like him as he would've held the Council "hostage" of his moods. And he would've asked more and more, playing on the fears of the Council. As we had countless example in our real world, you hit those types in the wallet (I live in Italy and if there's a Country that has suffered a lot because of the Mob, it's mine), you take away their ability to buy weapons by hitting their supplies chains, making living condition better etc... In the '90s of the 20th Century we came very close to having a Civil War here in Italy, because the Mob was very vicious (there were ambushes and bombings in Southern Italy very often done by the mob, I recommend you researching about Falcone and Borsellino, two Italian judges killed by the mob in 1992). You don't negotiate with them in any way. You will give leverage they can use against you at every turn. That's why I said Vi had the right idea, bringing down Silco by hitting him and the ChemBarons that were making Zaun even more miserable than it was already, by attacking their supply lines. That's more or less the same idea Ekko had as we have seen in ep4, in a more organized way. I think we can both agree though that even without the Operation at the Shimmer factory sooner or later the situation between Piltover and Zaun was going to explode no matter what they would have decided to do. It was only a matter of time, as Mel's mother said to Mel, before there would've been open war between Topside and the Undercity.

[@matthewhungerford1861]

​@@crimsonitaliandragon5453 Vi had the wrong idea she made herself believe everything was Silco fault ignoring her own mistakes and Piltover's own hand in the problem/refusal to fix things (as that would cost alot of money and effort). Vi wants her sister to trust her again her only options are steal hex crystals or attack enforcers... She chooses to work with them and helps them in what would be seen as an major act of aggression. Vi does not understand she is at fault why her sister does not trust her.

[@crimsonitaliandragon5453]

@@matthewhungerford1861 And in what measure Vi is at fault in this? Everything happening in Zaun was Silco's from a certain point in the events. Vi wasn't ignoring her mistakes, in which actions you saw this? In fact, she was doing her damnest throughout the whole time after coming out from prison to fix things, on a personal and on a more public plane. She's full of guilty and regrets, where in Oblivion she's ignoring her only mistake of hitting her sister and telling her bad things while grieving overhelmed by emotions? She just saw her family being killed and she ( wrongly, of course) lashed it out on Powder. That's the only mistake she made and even that she tried her damnest to fix it. The inaction of the Council ( as Ambessa Medarda remembers to her daughter in the scene where she arrives in Piltover and Caitlyn says to her mother after the bridge scene) is what it's at fault here. Stop putting the blame for everything on Vi. If not she was trying to set everything right and the one who was desperately seeking out approval for herself was Jinx, not Vi.

[@NtoTheM]

The policemen at the end: "Oh for fuck's sake, we just got a W for once, can't we just take it?!!"

[@filiformis]

Jayce really up and went :q!

[@billthegenericguy]

Jayce is a lousy person but a brilliantly written character. He wants to do the right thing but he's so malleable and ignorant of anything that isn't science that it's easy for any person who talks to him to convince him that whatever they want to use him for is the right thing. He's a cushion who takes the shape of the last person to sit on him.

[@zigzaghyena3633]

Hey, be fair to him, not many people would be opposed to Mel Medarda or Vi sitting on them.

[@AllUpOns]

He's a lousy person? He may be an idealist, sure, but he's a good guy and the only one in Piltover trying to do anything at all. And the only reason Vi didn't end up plastered all over the wall is because, unlike her, he has enough restraint to know that fighting your allies is a bad idea.

[@rae3769]

Wait can someone please tell me which episode this is??

[@blackmoon2128]

Don't know who would win, perhaps both could given different contexts and situations. Still, very nice to see that both rather not.

[@ZiroWatt]

Interestingly enough Vander would be more inclined to agree with Jayce than Vi

[@mc-inversal7069]

My take on Jayce's decision here: Jayce literally has no idea what he's getting into when he lobbies the idea. He's acting out of interest for piltover's development and growth, ideals of his that have been constantly sidelined and cut short for the sake of corrupt inner workings within the city - to him, zaun just happens to be yet another untimely, yet routine discrepancy that's come up because of THEIR mistakes. And so, he attempts to "rectify" the situations with whatever means he feels are necessary. Keep in mind that by the point where Jayce begins to head the council, he's become somewhat indoctrinated by the position he wields, and the tenants he supposedly has to keep track of to maintain that authority. He is far from being corrupt, or particularly blind to circumstance and external perspectives, but he's absolutely shortsighted, and operating under the notions of action before introspection - he sacrifices some of his scientific nature to adapt to a coming crisis. This is later rectified, by himself, by him actively beginning to explore the undergrowth of Zaun, the nature of the uprising and what their people have suffered through. Immediately after a life is lost, he refuses to continue any violent acts of force throughout the undercity, realizing he's not only caused immediate damage to those who simply do not deserve such, but has also overstayed his welcome in an issue, under an authoritative role that he was never in his strongest suit for. He's a scientist, an innovator, someone who considers various angles to create something anew. Something he struggles with throughout his development of hextech, without victor. But sitll a practice he HAS capability for. So personally, I think Jayce does get shit on a bit too much, but he very much DID make the mistake that even the best and brightest of authority figures could make: he accepts the hand he's been dealt, accustoms himself to the position. and succumbs to his self-ratification in order to adapt to that worldview. He made a mistake, one he immediately acts upon to rectify (his treaty with silco), and reshapes his character appropriately. It's solid improvement. Vi, on the other hand, we know what she's all about. She's desperate, angry, frustrated at the lack of fundamental motivation everyone seems to present towards EVERYTHING she's ever cared about. She'd take a deal with the literal head of the enforcers in a heartbeat (the man above everything, technically), just cause her trusted ally (and possible gf lmao) has implied their nature as benevolent, so long as they don't maintain the complacency that vander brokered with his own piltover official/acquaintance. Yes, her plan is messy af, resulting in a lot of people hurt, and could ultimately screw over piltover. But she is right in that it would ultimately wound silco, enough for his power base to be shaken - enough for zaun to start their own, internal uprising. She's definitely thought ahead - but it's all tunnel vision for her. She believes has no other means to even try.

[@justinfischer9300]

Vi would have lost in a 1v1, jayce was acting on emotion. Vi was acting on instinct.

[@JassLJ]

With that logic Vi would win the 1v1 it has been shown a lot that when people act on their emotions the person is sloppy and uses more energy then necessary since Vi would be acting on her instincts she would be more exact, more driven, and more alert so she can win the fight.

[@nirablackfire2792]

It would be a close fight, but at this point in the show Vi would take the win. Jayce isn't combat oriented yet. And "Big hammer go boom" can only go so far when up against someone who's been fighting in life or death situations since her parents were murdered. 😂

[@AllUpOns]

@@nirablackfire2792 Did you even watch the fight scenes though? Jayce's hammer is OP as fuck in arcane. And Vi's not exactly known for her defense. She just tanks hits. She would just charge in head-first like always and get one-shot.

[@nirablackfire2792]

@@AllUpOns Combat is more than just having an OP weapon... This was Jayce's first battle. And he was a half inch away from having his face split open by a quick jab from a Chem soldier's blade. It took him a minute to find his footing before he ACTUALLY started letting himself go in the fight. Meanwhile Vi is taking hits yes, but she also has a much better grasp of what she's actually doing vs Jayce who was shown to be floundering more due to lack of experience.

[@Murv002]

I hope those two will never fight each other since their weapons are so strong - it would end with one of them dying maybe even both!

[@Caitlynarcane]

Look at my girlfriend Vi ❤️

[@VioletArcane]

Hey Cupcake 🧁

[@carlosbrown9432]

ayo stop that gay shit tf 🙈

[@achicha]

I found my people❤

[@Rachel.DawnAmber]

The fact that Jayce was actually a victim back when he got his stuff stolen and chsrged double price

[@kszys5491]

Im no VI!gilantee, No u are VI!ctom

[@poitboing]

When Vi says "He knew what he was signing up for" about a kid that young, that immediately lets you know that she's pissed off and being unfair to Jayce. That is not a true or reasonable statement--most of what follows is more truthful, but naturally her priority isn't being nice or kind. She's disappointed, furious, and so is he--and it's at each other.

[@boogerking2185]

She said that because this is literally a normal thing to every Kid in zaun, they are expected to die in a very random situation easily because of the environment they are in. Sadly Jayce is too naive to know the situation. Jayce just thinks simply he kills him, but the fact is, the environment is gonna kill that kid anyway. If he wants to save another kid like that, he needs to change the environment of Zaun but he quits anyway

[@floffy2695]

I don't hate Jayce, but I don't particularly like him either. But I feel sorry for him - he's always caught up in the crossfire without any knowledge or diligence as to what he should do. He is not and never has been equipped for these kind of political issues, but it's hard not to feel infuriated with his naivety

[@LaSangriaSolitaria]

I wouldn't say he is naive, in fact I feel he is making the best decisions with the cards he is being given (specially thinking how on the spot he is being put and how fast his duties seem to be piling up). To put it simply, Jayce is always between the expectations of Piltover and his desire to help everyone. If it was up to him, he would do more to help Zaun, but he also understands that politically his hands are tied. Not only that, he is navigating the fact that his inventions can be used to make weapons, something he really doesn't want to happen. Silco managed to advance Zaun enough that without hextech, they would put up a great fight against Piltover, and Jayce knows this, so in the case of an all out war, he would be forced to give Piltover hextech weapons, which would completely decimate Zaun, and one way or another, blood would be in his hands (Sorta like what happened to Nobel). Yes, he is still a neophyte to suffering and violence, unlike Vi, and killing a child is enough to move him (how can you blame him really?), but i think at this point he doesn't have stars in his eyes anymore. After this, to him, giving Zaun it's freedom, and letting them handle their affairs on their own, is the lesser of two evils.

[@alexsolomon8127]

I find it vastly ironic and amusing the gymnastics people go through to justify Vi stealing the gauntlets. and then blaming what happened with Jinx on anyone other than Jinx and Silco.

[@nrimanhsrtli2643]

Can someone let me know, in the first scene of Arcane we saw that Jayce came from another universe with the help of some wizard? Where is the place Jayce came from? And who was that wizard?

[@KingOfMalevolence]

Jayce was always from Piltover, my guess is that he went on a trip with his mom to a mountain and got lost in a storm. The wizard's identify is unknown.

[@flavienmaillard3910]

Jayce speech is far from being maxed

[@BroPaulSyrel]

Teaming up ever

[@kadarabdullahi]

I quit

[@kadarabdullahi]

I quit 😊

[@lucasfavre1282]

I just still fucking hate how Jayce is literally roasted 100% of his time with Vi and the instant the series makes him actually look cool fighting with the hammer he just kills a kid, I know he's not a child/girl/orphan but what did the showrunners have against him

[@kadarabdullahi]

Daily

[@JassLJ]

I honestly can't be upset with Jayce for killing that child because in my opinion it was the kid's for just standing there and setting off the alarms to begin with...

[@mikeszybilski1810]

men bad grrr

[@Archedgar]

People that don't play League don't know this, but Jayce's Mercurial hammer at this stage in the canon is the most powerful weapon in the world and will continue to be the most powerful weapon up until Ezreal's (BS) gauntlet comes into play. Vi would have no chance against Jayce here. At all. Vi is wrong, stupid & outmatched. She's lucky Jayce didn't smash her face in.

[@Murv002]

So Hextech is stronger than Shimmer as well?! And how is The Hammer stronger than Vi's gloves, is Jayce the strongest character in League Of Legends?!

[@Archedgar]

@@Murv002 If by 'shimmer' you mean chemtech? yes, much. Chemtech is limited by human physiology whereas hextech is limitless. However, very few characters have proper access to hextech and even fewer are able to use it to its full potential. Jayce, whom I greatly despise, is one of those very few.

[@Murv002]

@@Archedgar Jayce?! I thought Victor was.

[@Archedgar]

@@Murv002 Viktor is one of the few others and functions as a direct rival to Jayce.

[@Murv002]

@Archedgar But The Victor has more experience with it?

[@trendybistro]

This show was a good soundtrack away from being great.

[@xs0528]

Am I the only one who thinks this could b a ship?

[@mo6964]

god the fem power trip in this show just kinda ruins the characters, so fucking self-righteous

[@zemox2534]

What do you mean?

[@brunol.8608]

I dunno, you have plenty of great characters. Vi is driven because she's not stuck in a stone box anymore and wants to make up for lost time, she's essentially the protagonist. Otherwise, Caitlyn is inexperienced but good-intentioned while Jinx is a broken person. Also, Silco's bodyguard/henchwoman is a thug with broken principles. I really think it's just Vi and again it's for good reasons. There are a lot of great male characters in the show with very deep and nuanced characterization like the female ones, i.e. Viktor, Jayce, Vander (hello???), Ekko. Ekko you could say is probably the other most admirable character for what he's accomplished and his remarkable lack of fuck-ups in the process. He even bails Vi out of a bad situation and helps get her up to speed.

[@juni6752]

Arcane has expertly written both female AND male characters. Nothing self-righteous about how every character, no matter what gender, has their own type of "power" and different ways of using it, as well as their own moments of vulnerability. And the show never preaches at you that one way of having power is better than another, or shames any character for being vulnerable. Your statement comes off as very surface level, and I suggest paying attention to the show.

[@sungvin]

This was anything but the fem power trip. Have you missed the part where she spent years in the most horrendous prison facility ever?

[@xCoatlicuex]

Those imaginary feminist are in this room?

[@superswaggerorgasm]

This scene was done wrong. Jayce shouldn't of given up so easily

[@freshrimp9013]

I think most people would get upset if they went to bust a drug operation and it ended with you directly killing a child self defense or not.

[@Archedgar]

Jayce is young here. The Jayce from League would absolutely not have given up the gauntlets to a scumbag like Vi but at this stage he's still unsure of himself and not ready to do what must be done.