Victoria 3 is Kinda Bad...

Before watching, note that I've played more than 20 hours of the game since beginning this video, and I've gotten better at certain things about the game, like the economic systems. But anyway: Victoria 3 is a big disappointment. And it's not that great. This is why I think why. Like and sub' bro.
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[@compatriot852]

At this point, Victoria III could be an entirely separate series and nobody would have an issue with it considering how it's entirely different from the rest of the series

[@Joleyn-Joy]

That's exactly how I see it. As a resource management game it's great, it's just no a grand strategy Victoria game. To be honest if paradox wanted to make an economic simulator they should make a modern day game.

[@BoyanTrenchev]

I don't see a problem with that

[@Hatsuzu]

@@BoyanTrenchev remove Victoria from the name then

[@utewbd]

No it's still pretty awful. The diplomacy and warfare are super bad, literally every country plays the same and the economics is just construction queue and open/close trade routes. Nearly every system in the game is extremely shallow. Performance is horrendous post-1900. Every country plays the game besides the starting point. All the laws, politics and popular demands/uprisings are blatantly modeled around current day leftist woke socialism. Declared interests is a failed mechanic (westernization worked better, flawed as it was) that turns every great power into world police that disallow any player aggression. You could fairly describe the game as trying to increase your GDP. It's legitimately the worst game they have ever made and what makes it even worse is all they had to do was improve on Vic 2, add a little depth and balance, some QoL changes, streamline the UI and controls. But instead they carved out mechanics and systems, simplified everything, hid the map tiles and units, took away warfare from the player and gave it to very dumb AI, and it's bug-ridden even months later. A rose by any other name.

[@user-oi3jk4qo9j]

@@utewbd only we have to do now it wait them fix it

[@y2k21]

Victoria 3 feels like a mobile phone game.

[@xavierblitz5647]

but u need 36GB ram and 12GB VRAM

[@annoyingsmuganimeavatar7229]

Victoria 4 will be a mobile game if they dare release another one.

[@someonealsosomeone5518]

That sentence is a insult to us mobile gamers.

[@thegamingbrick146]

bro the attrition is so bad that my guys on the offensive would lose land...TO NO ENEIMES THERE BEING PUSHED BACK BY LITRALY NOTHING

[@grandgibbon2071]

Soon we will know that nothing to be germs.

[@SuperExplosivegames]

Had this exact thing happen ^ was fighting the brittish and was trying to take the islands they have in the Caribbean. Turns out my army couldnt even advance into a territory with NO ONE IN IT. 0 enemies and they LOST BATTLES ON ATTACK!?

[@burtreynolds8030]

They must’ve had garrisons, a battle doesn’t occur if one side has 0 troops

[@igoralmeida9136]

Russia invading Ukraine:

[@thegamingbrick146]

@@igoralmeida9136 LOL

[@fluffyserbian6115]

In my opinion with 24 hours on the game, these are the things I've noticed. The diplomacy system makes no sense, for example boosting opinion in the German states doesn't matter because if they see you as a threat, even though you have no infamy and they are in your market, they will refuse to join you, the feeling system works, is completely random, and there isnt even military access anymore. Regarding the economy, its very boring, you build and you build, you make a new trade route, and you delete a useless one, over, and over, and over again. Warfare is atrocious, they removed the single thing every single paradox game in this format has had, micromanagement of individual armies/units. It's a very mediocre game, they made things look complicated but they really just dumbed everything down and made it repetitive, there is no variation, and the AI has not even one braincell

[@adamvifrye2690]

you can change their opinion of you as a threat by just getting their opinion up high enough, bankroll them, absolve obligations, etc, stuff you can do beyond just improving relations. secondly, you can break sovereighnty, if you wanna walk thru someone's land.

[@cow1816]

I think I finally realized why I'm so bored in vic3. Where's the news system? Yeah, it was annoying having 15+ newspapers eyeing you down, with the ocd in the back of your brain screaming at you to open and read all of them while you fight a 2 front war. But it was still, charming. I could have constant updates in a very easily readable form that told me (more or less) the most important events that had happened recently. While there was u.i. that showed you everything going on, newspapers trimmed it down to "Prussia & U.K. against Austria" or smth. In Vic3, the only information you get is lil popups that come and go quicker then my uncle on holidays and visual info, as seeing the UK reach D.C. for second time with the help of Mexico. This coincides with my compilate overall that I have shared with many of my friends, which is that many of the features in vic2 should have been vanilla features here, but instead most likely are still behind some dlc later down the line.

[@elmosanchez]

We took it for granted

[@geoDB.]

It is the market report and it should be put next to notifications to help unclutter it

[@burtreynolds8030]

@@geoDB. would be an excellent change

[@bigtimmybear8512]

“You can be racist 👍🏽”

[@RMadaraPlay]

You mean "You can be racist 👍🏻"**

[@MoldycheeseJr]

@@RMadaraPlay whites aren’t the only race that can be racist

[@marine76a]

@@RMadaraPlay much better.

[@kkoff]

low key them adding discrimination and making it easier to move around your core pops is like one of the only improvement i see as a vic 2 player

[@HistoryMonarch1999]

For me personally it’s too many menus. Vic 2 it was one menu for each thing, or at the most 2 in my gameplay.

[@elmosanchez]

I actually had a section about how bad I think the U.I fully wrote, but decided to cut it. But yeah, you're 100% right

[@geoDB.]

I don't even critique the mechanics because they don't work because the release is an unfinished mess that should be in development not a final product. Warfare doesn't work correctly right now (without a mod), there is an incredibly small amount of historical scripting (CK3 is still missing its own), AI is terrible (need mod), game is very buggy, and the game lags way too much.

[@geoDB.]

I really wish I wouldn't need mods for stuff that should be base game, like in Victoria 2 where I consider content from HPM / HFM / (GFM? never tried it, mostly HFM) to be stuff that should be in the base game.

[@kevinwesterlund732]

the worst part about trade is when you need 50 of some resource and the route keeps flooding your marking trying up all convoys so that you can't import other resources

[@adamvifrye2690]

so then activate a trade route which is less profitable, and less likely to grow. do you think the merchants would only trade 50 of some profitable product because the government told them to?

[@Uzair823]

@@adamvifrye2690 I think hes trying to say that when a certain resource is being imported if its profitable for your economy it automatically levels up the trade route requiring more convoys, plus to add to that you cant cancel trades set up by A.I so youre pretty much stuck with that trade route unless you add tariffs or make local production to make it ineffective to cancel it

[@utewbd]

ez solution bro build more trade more green number go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[@oip6447]

Ultimate victoria game is victoria 2 pop and economy system add hoi4 military stuff plus victoria 3 political stuff

[@elmosanchez]

True!

[@KevinLopez-pu7ll]

The main problem for me is the fact you press a few buttons, one or two wars, then ur just watching the screen for 20-30 mins for ur construction to finish. There’s so much time where u just do nothing & this varies per nation.

[@BoyanTrenchev]

Yeah, and with Vic2 you are totally doing something all the time and not just watching the screen. Heck, in that game, most of the times you don't even get to build any factories yourself.

[@Hatsuzu]

@@BoyanTrenchev I don't think you were playing Victoria 2.

[@TheMightyP00tis]

@@Hatsuzu bro played vic2 for 10 minutes as Johore or some shit

[@danielsonlisik534]

I like everything about this game so far, my only complain is that diplomacy doesnt work at all. I remember a key from the marketing of this game was that you could do anything with diplomacy, turns out you can do nothing

[@williamkoch4420]

I can confirm that you only need to fight one war to form Germany, the war against Austria to become the only candidate allowed to form Germany. After that, you can use bank rolling to get obligations from minor nations to make them join your custom's union. After getting nationalism and pan nationalism, they might ask to be annexed, but if you get them to be at least cooperative towards you, you can just click a button to annex them all at once with no infamy.

[@Izadirad1995]

My biggest issue is that paradox refuses to put in units for real. They made a bold and innovative step with war but it just didn’t work. I’d rather play eu4, hoi4, ck3, vic2, or stellaris.

[@HierophanticRose]

I do not think Vic 3 is bad at its core, pop, wage, SoL, supply/demand and the market competitiveness factor that these create is a good simulation in essence. But yea I do share the frustration of a lot of people here in that they probably are leaving a lot of the flavor and fine tune refinement under many future dlcs

[@Steven-cf1ty]

All vic 3 has good is just what they didn't change from vic 2, everything different about the economy or diplomacy just make the systems more shallow and less robust. They just can't save Vic3 when they're admitting themselves that theyre too lazy/inept to make individual units of goods work in the engine, an essential part of economic simulation.

[@zachantes1161]

Expanding on the war, I played a game as Colombia and had, several times, my troops attack the objectively better equipped and entrenched enemies as opposed to the much weaker and less defended enemies. All we had to do was figure the Ecuadorians, but my general insisted on attacking the Hondurans instead. As well, a nation capitulating immediately makes you lose military access, so in some cases, you need to purposefully hold back so that you don't lose access to the front. The inability to control fronts and specifically allot troops is also stupid, and makes no sense. And finally, all this could be solved by giving the player more than three options when assigning a general. Being able to give more specific orders (target cities, ports, armies, etc) and maybe even make it so that you can try and set time limits, like ordering your general to take a city by a certain date. Should the army complete the task it gets a morale boost, and the opposite should they fail. Like how Mussolini can give orders to you in Hoi4, but instead it's you giving orders.

[@elmosanchez]

Based

[@nerdmassa9086]

So, you make interesting space videos AND play paradox games? You got a new loyal sub!

[@elmosanchez]

Lol. Thanks fam'

[@koltrainz]

My biggest problem is building ATM everytime I build anything iron skyrockets in price no matter how many iron mines I have and when I don't build it's price is the lowest on the market and paper is expinsive no matter what

[@theo1170]

Pops will eat your paper supply like nothing else unless you just flood the market with some real effort. Either that or the AI will buy literally your entire supply and drive up the costs that you cannot outpace no matter what you put into it until you just say fuck it and embargo that country at the cost of your other trade routes just to conserve your supply of important goods.

[@koltrainz]

@@theo1170 for paper food iron tools and wood I set a 20% out going tariff it stops the AI from taking my stuff

[@manuelsalazar5257]

I mean yeah, honestly you should build your economy to be balanced at constant building, if you need to stop building, then you seem to have built more construction sectors than your economy can handle.

[@theo1170]

@@koltrainz Even with protectionism the AI seems to buy the crap out of my stuff. At least it lightens the load by making construction costs much easier.

[@stgravatt]

Construction takes iron. So if you build and iron goes into the red, you should probably build an iron mine first. Traders can take your iron too. Tho it really just drives up the price (until it gets 75%+ expensive which is where shortages start). Being short things is actually a good economic stimulator too, as when you build that iron mine it will for sure make a profit selling at a high price. And conversely having an oversupply of some things, like wheat and other notable pop consumables, is very good for quality of life for your pops. But bad for business, so it's a constant balancing act. Ive found the game is working mostly as intended supply/demand wise.

[@Kingedwardiii2003]

Definitely a game I’ll get in 5 years

[@NasMau]

You said it yourself, future dlc. Thats the model, rushed lackluster and simple mechanics at launch patched by localized dlcs, and as long people buy that shit, the company will keep on using it.

[@avpthegreat]

It’s a shame only Paradox makes these kinds of games. It’s a very niche market it seems.

[@jimmytimmyy1747]

Love your video and I agree with almost everything except the nation formation, you can assimilate most countries after unlocking. You can then launch a leadership play for sphere of all german minors, then a subsequent unification play to make them all unify. Its 2 wars if you do it right.

[@elmosanchez]

I actually recently figured that out. Thanks for your input though. Glad you liked the video

[@AC-hj9tv]

​@@elmosanchezbased reply

[@AC-hj9tv]

This game cured my insomnia

[@peteranderson1624]

2:19 Barry Macociner hehehehe (Also that’s my review thanks for giving me a spongebob moment)

[@elmosanchez]

Lol. No problem

[@dangernoodle7700]

Rise of Nations on Roblox has more content than Vicy 3.

[@elmosanchez]

Lmao!!! True

[@dangernoodle7700]

@@elmosanchez I'm still waiting for that Cold War Paradox game tho.

[@comradeivan9326]

little tip for the victoria 3 economy: you cant just upgrade your economic buildings, check goods that are the most in demand, then make that thing. You can sort by demand. I played only really minor countries, so I always end up in foreign markets. AI sort of sucks in production and stockpiles don't seem to exist, only supply/demand. export to foreign markets by simply making routes, I don't know if it does anything but it probably does

[@elmosanchez]

So I've noticed. I have put a few more hours into the game since finishing the script for the video, and in hindsight I wish I rewrote parts of the economy section. But I still do believe a stockpile mechanic or having a way to view how much your country owns in terms of resources and products would be better than having to check up on the supply and demand for the things you need for construction. Thanks for the input, fam'

[@channdler]

@@elmosanchez you should do another short video with extra notes

[@elmosanchez]

@@channdler we'll see

[@rojoajax4441]

Basically, it's Paradox's monetary philosophy, but CK3 and Vic3 were launched as hollow shells, to be filled with DLC packs for the mechanical enjoyment later. Hell it was why Imperator, my lost love, was so barren, but they abandoned it, new IP and all

[@calimerohnir3311]

It's been over a year and it still hasn't been fixed

[@eltiket]

The world feels empty, with barebones diplomacy and politics, no flavor, every nation is the same, the warfare is extremely boring...

[@braydenblouir]

Something you forgot about its econ system is that the build queue and construction sectors are just civ factories from hoi4 in vic3. Vic 2 was based on cost and resources for construction

[@elmosanchez]

You're right actually. I forgor 💀

[@Belkak021]

'I was trying to find my stockpile and couldn't find it' 🙃 'Where is all of these stuff stored?' 🙃 Man, when I read the dev diary when they daid there wouldn't be stockpiles I was so shocked

[@avpthegreat]

Apparently emergency reserves don’t exist in this game. It’s ridiculous

[@Karmag555]

@@avpthegreat "All right gentlemen, we of Nation X are tired of the endless provocations of Nation Y! In one year's time, we invade!" "But sir! All of our small arms are imported from Nation Y! Shouldn't we set some aside in advance, to make sure that we do not run short during war?" "Don't be absurd, colonel! Not once in history have militaries or governments created stockpiles against future downsides!"

[@georgemennenga]

I’ve been really enjoying it (when it isn’t crashing or going at a snails pace). My GDP as the US is currently at 1.4 billion and still growing, my armies are untouchable, my navy rules the waves, I am at the lowest tax rate while having military and government spending maxed and still making £500k a week. My tip to unleash the potential of your economy is to have all buildings on autoupgrade, have your construction capacity be as close to your capitalists contribution so building most things is free, and puppeting/conquering for resources you don’t have (late game I have done an America moment and invaded Iraq for oil 😅). Use the market tab and sort by the comparison to the base price, and build buildings that will bring the price of things down, along with buildings that provide the input resources. For the military, it’s ok to go in debt while at war in order to raise conscripts and win as fast as possible. Build up your navy and pay attention to if your convoys are being sunk, it will make attrition skyrocket. I like the game, but they reeeeeally need to iron some things out and optimize it.

[@jkdragonjk6895]

So as someone who has formed Germany twice now. I’ve been able to form it within 20 years of the start of the game with only needing to launch 2 wars to do it. First was a German supremacy war against Austria to lock them out of being a cultural contender to form Germany, and the second was a war vs Hanover and a few other small German holdouts who during a unification play. What was pretty cool about this play through is that I was able to convince Bavaria, Saxony, and a few more powerful German states to support me in both war to form Germany because I had amazing relations with them, so it felt like these nations truly supported me as there unifier. Also I will add that I needed to launch a war later on, after I formed Germany, in order to take Alsace-Lorraine from the French.

[@elmosanchez]

Heard that. I'm very happy someone managed to form Germany in an organized manner. Most of the games I've seen have seemed chaotic and reliant on war. Thanks for the input

[@manuelsalazar5257]

Yeah Ive actually formed Germany once while allying Austria and just did one (optional) war to take Denmark. It really threw me off how you were talking about HATING the German unification when you never tried it and basing yourself on just wrong information, feels like just complaining for sake of complaining

[@alden1024]

I Usually can form super Germany in about 5 to7 years of game start as Austria and depending on rng it only ever takes 2 wars or so. Forming Germany as Prussia is MUCH more of any up hill battle than Austria. Honestly it makes Prussia not really worth playing unless you wanna larp. usually if you just get hesse-kessel in your customs union it cuts the Rhineland off of the Prussian market which will usually knee cap them. Then just use all of your free, free nation WG on prussia in the first leadership war. Then wait for then to fall to major power, and instantly dec with the unification play. Ive done this 4 times now just to test its consistency and it worked every time. Gonna be real German unification is a joke and MUCH less interesting than VIC 2

[@realcolormusic]

The game is still bad. I stopped playing after 60 hours. The memory leak is too hard at higher age. Construction makes no sense. Even when you build a lot of construction areas and do have all supplies required for the construction. The market magically balances out itself. This results into higher costs on which you bleed out. You pops will get radical for no reason. And a lot of bugs.

[@MaximiliaEnVT]

People learning the hard way not to buy games at release.

[@pewterschmidt23lord99]

Yeah this game i bought as a new person to the series from a hoi4 player and everything about this game is dogshit

[@sejozwak]

Thank God I only played a bit of pirate version, waste of money

[@SuperExplosivegames]

The economy system is fun, i just wish playing different countries had more of a dofferent effect on your gameplay. You want to play Sokoto in Africa? Cool thats the exact same game youd get playing Siam. Theres hardly any regional activities besides a few scripted disasters that will hurt your economy for a bit. Also the major power AI is completely unpredictable. As the Sikh empire I invaded the East India Company with BRITTISH SUPPORT when I aimed to conquer their lands! My biggest issue with the whole game is that I, as a (sometimes) democratic freedom lover, with lassie faire economics, am building EVERY individual farm factory and mine. Same thing goes for import export routes. If I have free trade why cant my capitalists make their own private import export routes that I have no control over??? As the most free country in the game you still are authoritarianly marching into tools workshops and telling them to change their production methods? Even if it bankrupts the industry? Makes sense MAYBE in a uber communist super direct economy but buildings should consume what they need to produce things most efficiently BY DEFAULT!

[@felixmustermann790]

finished game by the way, "global" market simulation (there is no global market, and it aint a free market either) just buy the next 3 DLCs or more to get a vanilla vic2 with less amy management

[@stgravatt]

I feel like the market is way different than vic 2. Vic 3 doesnt have that public market like vic2, they're all seperate. So if you are building and you need iron, you are only taking it from your market. If theres none left, you get no iron, price spikes, and then you mustale a trade route to a different market that has iron or build that resource yourself. If you look at your budget, construction is a seperate expense, which can be paid for by investment pool of your rich pops (depending on your laws). So building does make your economy lose money, but it should be temporary and worth it once you build and staff the building. You can do this wrong in so many ways tho, particularly by expanding your construction capacity too much or building the wrong thing.

[@kaisermosh4057]

Persia can literally do a world conquest because they have every resource need to be self reliant

[@elmosanchez]

Underrated nation

[@manuelsalazar5257]

I find it weird how you talk about construction in Vicky 2, a summary saying, "the more you produce in your country, the cheaper and more efficient you can construct" as if that somehow better but you could basically say exactly the same thing about vic3. The more wood (or any construction good) you have, the cheaper and more efficient it is. And that's it. You say it's limited by how many pounds you can burn, but not really, it's also limited by your resources, because if you build too much without resources, it'll become expensive, and if it's too much, there will be a shortage. Actually in Vicky2 does constructing even become more expensive if you don't have the resources? Or you just need to wait for there to be resources on the world market? I remember being a lower power in Vicky2, wanted to build a factory, but don't have machine parts, so... I guess I have to wait for there to be on the market, that's it. There's nothing you can do but wait for machine parts to fall down to your rank. Can't even buy them for a premium.

[@baogia668]

I would argue against a westernisation mechanic in vic3, the vic2 system is just bad forcing you to conquer a large amount of land and hoping the country you declare on isn't in a sphere to westernise or waitting a long time, it really boring to play and is just a bad system overall

[@manderson416]

You can't just say ignore the economy. It's the whole game. I still have no idea how convoys work though. Is there a difference between ports and railroads? No idea

[@grandgibbon2071]

Ports give a little infrastructure and generate convoys. Railroads give a lot more infrastructure and generate transport for adding it to industries. Convoys are needed to level up trade routes that go over the seas. High level trade routes move more goods. When you do a trade it will tell you an estimated number of needed convoys.

[@MajesticOak]

Sounds like I should wait a few years for Vic 3 to get its shit together while picking up Vic 2 on the cheap in the meantime...

[@angrypixelhunter]

Victoria 3 internal politics actually make no sense. Was playing as an absolute monarch and I could enact laws only when the faction that supports it was in government (?? I thought I was the government ??) or when the monarch's ideology allowed it. Ok, fair enough, but then you have to go through a debate process where your law can stall (Am I not the absolute monarch? Is this instead a parliamentary monarchy?). Then I played as a parliamentary republic and I can enact the same laws whenever I want and easily ban parties from government just like I could as an absolute monarch (lmao). In other words, the many options for laws make ZERO difference in your gameplay and they make no sense. This is a significant step down from Vic 2.

[@lolmenx4]

Idk in the military sense i feel like its reeeeeaally mid, but its so accurate sometimes with irl economics that is scary like its very very very good, deceptively good...The only problem i have with it is that idk why IT CRASHES like when autosaving it will go well for like 1 year, and then crash when autosaving, and i cant just turn it off because if i manually save it can crash too :(

[@elmosanchez]

I actually haven't had any issues with crashing. *Knock on wood.* Personally I just think there's both a critical lack of information given on how the economy actually works, and an overly complex interface that can be kind of intimidating. Appreciate the feedback tho. 👌

[@roypone6158]

fun fact if you play multiplayer and click on the trade tab it crashes the game 21:35

[@elmosanchez]

🤨

[@stgravatt]

Play with the better AI mod, other countries actually do stuff. The economy feels a lot more alive, and i also suggest getting the more condensed and organized formats for market and pops

[@comradehandersson7859]

What's the song at 6.55?

[@elmosanchez]

I forgor 💀

[@Jerseff]

"Where did the vic 2 features go?" Oh that one's easy, they'll be in a £30 dlc in abt 6 months probably. I can almost garuntee everything that's frustrating abt vic 3 will be "solved" with dlc and associated patches lol

[@Jerseff]

@@Emperor_Mateus i am a prophet of loss

[@colonelsmith7757]

I believe a comparison to HoiIV at launch would actually be quite fare, considering that even with all its problems and shortcomings, the game did launch with a skill tree for Generals, formable division templates, and actual divisions on the battlefield that you could move around individually.

[@UberMenschNowFilms]

The only thing I disagree with is the final section. Your construction cost is decided by the price of your construction sector's input goods/labor. Having more consecs increases the number of goods/labor used. Having the input goods of your consec's be undersupplied and overpriced increases cost. It's fairly intuitive. Same thing applies to industry (price of inputs/outputs determines profitability and wages) and pop consumption (consumer goods with high cost are harder to buy, making pops poorer). Doesn't mean it's good. The economy is unplayable for me without like 10 UI mods. Also managing over 100 construction points just becomes a chore and the autobuild function is crap. It's the one thing that kept me from playing into the late game even after 50 hours in game.

[@BoyanTrenchev]

If you play your cards well you can form Germany in one or two wars. From the formation tab you can launch a leadership play to become the leader of the German confederation. From there smaller German countries within your market will start fedetating with you (that is - joining you). Appart from that you can also launch, form the formation tab, a unification play - one big war against all non-frendly German countries at the end of which, assuming you're victorious, you'll be able to form Germany. This plays simularly to the Austro-Prussian war of our timeline.

[@poontingus]

Yo what’s the song at 2:06 ?

[@elmosanchez]

Lili Marlene. The Hoi4 version

[@monarchtherapsidsinostran9125]

Thankfully we have grand strategy games in the indie sphere that i garuntee you guys haven't heard of. :p just give them a chance. Supreme ruler ultimate (cold war, ww1, and ww2 senarios) Terra invicta- have fun with the space espionage game Technically that civil war game with rts battles on the campaign map is a grand strategy game in a way. Forgot the name of it but it looks so cool. Power and revolution 20xx edition. Yes they update it every few years. Modern geopolitics you get it. Espiocracy- made by the guys who have the same publisher as terra invicta. Its a cold war intelligence agency grand strat. The great war mod makers for hoi4 also are making their own game about ww1. This is just off the top of my head too. Map games aren't just a pdx thing. Its just pdx is the triple A map game maker.

[@stgravatt]

Buy orders = demand Sell orders = supply The menus do suck in terms of not being condensed or easy to figure out. Trade routes are vital to getting things from another market into your market. And yes, its your own market not an international one (tho you can make it one). You need to get the products that people want and that your country needs.

[@testtoon1452]

Hang on..... "meh it is a 6 out of ten". Not sure what you guys are thinking but assuming a 1-10 scale 5.5 is the average so lets say 5 or so is an average game. "Meh...." and your comment at the start about the game being barebones indicates that this is a 4 or a 5 at best. As for me, Victoria 3 got me back into playing Victoria 2. Yes, no word of a lie. Hate to say it but it is true.

[@francoisrenaito6933]

Friend if you are not using the error rectification mode, it is impossible to play without that mode, and there are two more that if you use them the game is more playable and realistic.

[@kev_sen]

In the market tab you can see the buy and sell order surplus/deficits of resources which is your stockpile. The construction sector requires resources for production and the cost depends on your market prices for those goods ( wood, iron, steel, etc)

[@KeoniPhoenix]

I am intrigued in to what this invincible doomstack army is in Vic2.

[@elmosanchez]

I can never remember the composition off the top of my head. But pretty much every Victoria II KZbinr uses it, so you can probably find it really easily

[@KeoniPhoenix]

@@elmosanchez 5 infantry, 4 artillery, 1 hussar is what I have been using.

[@ohyeahyeah6313]

iam looking for that version of lili marlene

[@metalassassin8841]

It's a souless pile of crap just llike Imperator was. The battle system is beyond braindead as well.

[@nikolaininkov]

Personally for me Victoria 3 is a total failure when compared to it's predecessor. I don't like anything in the new game. The map and color gamma is horrible, the total lack of military, constructing units, the dismemberment of the global trade market, a total failure, no story decisions, every nation seem the same, everything looks blank, Victoria 2 is better in every aspect.

[@Thunder103093]

based

[@ahhtism3386]

got it on a key site for 30% off. The market is usualy based on the needs of your nation (unless you join some other market, like the british one). blue is the lacking stuff and brown/gold-ish the oversuply (the price of the good is based on it). now here is my issue: when you produce a product you NEED in a factory, you still go into the minus in terms of profit, unless you export it, recreating said deficit??? dafuq (sry for bad gramma. non native english speaker here)

[@annoyingsmuganimeavatar7229]

Everything is worse. Everything.

[@BlitzStativ]

To Form Germany, only one war ist a must. To fight Austria as german unify contender. Step one research nationalism. Step two Start bankrolling and increase relation with Nord german states. Step three wait for Hannover to leave british market Step four form North germany Step five if you want try to get schleswig and holstein, if you are strong enough and denmark isolated they give you a state without a war. And then it becomes really flexible. Maybe research pan nationalism and form germany only with one war against Austria. My option was to start a war with Austria and annex bohemia and mähren (top states) Then start bankrolling south germany. If you are lucky, every remaining german country supports you and you are able to form germany without a war. In my case, only Hamburg does Not support me, Austria supports hamburg. But it Was a fast war with bavaria and russia on my side. I think 1846 i reach my goal with only two wars and no war against french. Way better then in vic 2, where you always needed alsace. In vic 3 you need 19 german states, youre choice which states.

[@avpthegreat]

Hannover will just create their own market with other German states and you can’t ask them to join because the market is too big and gives a negative modifier for changing markets.

[@marine76a]

Victoria 3 is a bad game and should not be purchased.

[@nikiindzhiev5369]

Its rly good and will become much better please give it a chance and have some patience

[@chicken1696]

i was planning to play victoria 3 since i though it will have a better tutorial than victoria 2. guess i am waiting for victoria 2 on sale.

[@baileygregory9192]

It's currently on sale. Remember to get both docs its 100% needed and worth it

[@plunger9032]

You don't need to declare war on denmark in order to form NGF

[@plunger9032]

nvm Gfm/Hpm

[@AlertedSponge]

okay back to ck3

[@kostasmpyras]

nice video man

[@elmosanchez]

Thanks!

[@Thunder103093]

how are you winning wars all the time? that never happens for me because combat is so broken & boring

[@wouldyouliketomeetkenbamba9495]

I'm just pissed at how they got rid of stockpile and influence politics

[@NoName-xb1rm]

I mean its kinda.. hmm.. ok? I mean i enjoy playing and the only thing for now thay i really hate is warfare. Its so one-dimensional i just put units on border and hope they will win and don't get me wrong i know this is not EU4 but god damn its anticlimactic. I mean even when i win a hard war u don't have feeling of accomplishment cuz it was so boring. Everything else is for now fine and i know it will get better with DLCS.

[@crazymann4151]

God watching this just makes me want to play victoria 2 lmao

[@SirBalageG]

I belive it’s hilarious that you can form Greater Germany as Austria quicker then the Prussians can form NGF. Also, Super Germany by 1850? No problem, you just have to fight your own allies that aren’t too keen joining your empire of germans, because of fucking racism. I mean I could even form Austria-Hungary in the process adding an other bunch of primary culture to the mix as well, game is fucking dumb.

[@TheCosmicGuy0111]

I mean you can literally form super Germany in Victoria 2 by 1846 lolll so that’s a bit nit picky

[@SirBalageG]

@@TheCosmicGuy0111 been there, did that, my last Super Germany went ham and ate up most of Europe with some console help (khm alwaysaddwargoals khm), been in war for about 15 years before the event fired that I'm good again. Good times, miss that game

[@epicguy6343]

Honestly if you watched the patch notes and got hyped for this game, it's your fault...

[@stgravatt]

Bro the trade tab is the most imporant tab in the game. Its not designed well, but its where you see your supply and demand in your market and your routes exporting/importing to other markets. Its basically the entire economy beyond the production side. I can see how you had so much trouble running an economy and market considering you just ignored it.

[@elmosanchez]

Me ignoring it was a joke

[@Skyckings]

Idk what game you played but forming Germany only requires one war not two and its easy to get smaller countries into your customs union by bankrolling them and using obligations. I agree with alot of what you said but this part def not.

[@TheGreektwelve]

All of this has a simple answer. Everything from Victoria 2 or new is going to be a dlc, like Europa Universalis

[@MrZekinhaluiz]

The construction is my biggest enemy. Also inflation. Why not just show me the information, I have to go on a list and click on a thousand places to get nothing done.

[@stgravatt]

Mouse over stuff thats underlined or in a color, and wait for the menu to lock (little circle in upper right corner) and then you can mouse over more stuff. A lot of tooltips

[@maxeli1183]

The problem with new games is the woke feeling that they have, extrapolating actual way of thought to ages where thigs functioned very differently, as example stockpiling, multiculturalism and religion.

[@burtreynolds8030]

I’ve got 90 hours so far, forming Germany took a few tries but it’s pretty easy in Vic 3, no France war needed, pretty sure you don’t even have to go to war with Austria, if you research nationalism and pan nationalism and have all the small German states in a customs union you can click form Germany and boom, Germany with German borders aside from Alsace, I don’t want to criticize too much but a lot of what you say about forming Germany is wrong, wars are not necessary

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Hold up conservatives in US oppose slavery? That is opposite of history "Abraham Lincoln was the first president elected by the newly formed Republican Party"wikipedia 1. Conservatives were big on constitution, slavery was against constitution because it prevented slaves having rights, owning property and pursuit of happiness, liberty and prosperity 2. Conservatives had their core in the north, specifically industrialized cities, there slavery wasn't economical hence didn't exist. Therefore removing slavery hinders their slaveowning opponents and earns them brownie points among anti-slavery constituents. 3.Because conservatives had stranglehold on the north anti-slavery activists got into power by joining the conservatives which shifted the party toward anti-slavery, think modern day progressive left like AOC and Sanders shifting democrats progressive (except no because they immediately sold out to establishment)

[@deffranca3396]

Tbh. This game has no depth in politics either. you have only one direction(the progressive one) worker co op is one of the best system in the game. There are no trade offs to adapt to a gameplay style. Not even the economy mechanic makes sense. It's just planned economy simulation.

[@WalterFlanagin]

Anti-anti slavery was popular in big cities tho. Northern democrats were a huge minority like well over 40%

[@coloradoing9172]

What exactly do you expect from a game made by Wokedox?

[@SSFhighcommandJOHN]

Bruh early Republicans were liberals. God fucking damn it you neo-cons are so brain dead.

[@coloradoing9172]

@@SSFhighcommandJOHN Hahahahahaha. You seriously need to study some history.

[@g4m3r222]

no it is not bad it is great

[@WerberDoogyBoogi]

22:40

[@redadmiral4247]

Tbh you can form germany in 1 war against austria Hanover will take more time, just need to be a little patient, isolate him and ai have to like you then.

[@JosefZeethuven]

The problem with this game is the same as imperator rome. The game barely has replayability. Ignoring german&scandinavian reformation (their both bland anyways) all nations are the same. You build you build more you import some good export some build more remove bad import/export routes and build some more thats all of the gameplay.

[@bigtimmybear8512]

You forgot stellaris bro 😢

[@elmosanchez]

True. Stellaris is great imo

[@alexwildner6369]

lmao stellaris is broken, you can take over the entire galaxy in 20 years

[@nonope8824]

Ahhhh soo why would someone in their mind do good completed game if you can do DLC

[@Cooom]

Played one game with mods for some flavor and fixes. I was bored as America because i had to manage the economy all my own, when i am America in the 19th century. Not some place with some more central planning but what was the literal land of the free at that time, where capitalism ran rampant and the government didnt exqctly have thw power to regulate it. That was my biggest gripe before uodates

[@stgravatt]

Am i the only one who found victoria 2's trade and economic system to be more convoluted and worse than 3? Like i enjoyed victoria 2 but i always felt like i had no idea what i was doing. and i actually hated victoria 2's military system too, because managing it was never my focus in that game

[@alexwildner6369]

Victoria 2 seems like it doesnt know what an economy is supposed to be and focused more on a closed system where there is only so much stuff already in the world, when in reality the industrial revolution was all about maximizing getting shit from the earth to turn into stuff to then sell to people and filling all the economic niches while theyre wide open

[@santisav2]

great game

[@axelgidius3324]

The game is still VERY bare-bones, and there are absolutely no historical events that happen. Russian Revolution? Nope. Scramble for Africa events? Ofc not. WW1(you know, the biggest conflict of the WHOLE FUCKING TIME PERIOD that this game is set in? Nah. You will also be seeing Africa be colonized only in the decentralized areas because no one can bother taking over the centralized nation. And tbh, i cant blame the AI for that one. It takes RIDICULOUS amounts of infamy to take some african provinces., Like, how is Futa Jallon worth the same in infamy as Galicia-Volhynia at the end of the game? Ridiculous game.

[@Taskicore]

The game is still mid.

[@Uzair823]

Personally ive played cape colony and have found hardly any diplomatic things happening, its lacking the historical immersion and flavour other games have like CK3 , hoi4 , etc

[@Girtharmstrong69]

Yeah cape colony sucked I had to download a mod that allowed you to attack the zulus on your own and become a dominion instead of puppet but then eventually your European populations end up just dying from high mortality nomatter what you do which makes no sense at all

[@smokejumper749]

0:06 dont starve music starts playing

[@Mrcheekymonkeyisback]

I tend to agree with you on this, but it shouldn't be like HOIV though. its a silly comparison. This is more of a pop -economic simulator than a military one,but gain I agree military features should be approved upon, it shallow, system is alright but there could be more to do here like you've said, we need more ways to improve our troops

[@hospod163]

I disagree with your politics take. The game has a solid foundation for politics. But the laws dont really effect gameplay in any way whatsoever and it lacks any flavor. Maybe in the future the politics side will be better but rn its mid for me at least

[@sanguisbumb6138]

I enjoyed it

[@elmosanchez]

Good! I'm happy there are people who really enjoy this game

[@nobodynobodys3828]

Why is the Confederate player represented as a femboy? Why are femboys stereotyped as racists? I've not once met a racist femboys, in fact the ones I've met liked black people a little too much.

[@azarthefireelf4877]

No you can Bankroll Hanover to join your market